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reliably fast internet starts at $89.95 a month. comcast business. built for business. hi everyone you are in the cnn news room joining you live from new york. it is 5:00 eastern. i am going to show you live pictures of the senate which just passed a bill to keep this government running at least through wednesday. they are still working on the bigger $1.1 trillion spending bill that would fund the government through next september. first to this story. in several major american cities today thousands of people joining their voices and bodies. large crowds protesting marching through the streets of new york
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city. you are looking at a live picture of new york city. this is the city where eric garner died in a confrontation with police on staten island. people are marching and chanting i can't breathe, a lot of them asking for change in the police department. to washington, d.c. where protesters moved down pennsylvania avenue to the capital, their message hold cops responsible and black lives matter. all of this happening in boston where a short time ago the protest movement turned very tense for a new moments. confrontations between protesters and police. live to the streets of new york city. it seems as it is becoming nighttime here in new york city it is getting a little bit more intense. >> absolutely. this crowd has not thinned out. we are really struck by the fact that this march was supposed to begin around 2:30. even before that people came to
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washington square park to con gregate hours in advance. you can see it has not thinned out. there are so many people who have stuck with this. we started at washington square park and then sixth avenue is shut down. first fifth avenue and then sixth avenue as people flooded the streets. we are over on broadway. they shut down broadway traffic so people can continue to march. as a native new yorker the sight will blow you away to see this many people committed to this march for so long. you can see people on the street in the intersections, people stopped to watch and take pictures and putting their hands up in a gesture of solidarity. people are pressed against the glass just watching this happen. it is a significant moment for the city. it certainly feels significant when you are down here on the street and a part of it. that is what we are hearing from
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people who came out to participate. they feel that this is a movement. it is about protesting violence in the police department and they really feel that by coming together their voices will be heard. >> where are they going? what is the end goal here at least for tonight? >> we're going down to one police plaza right now. it started in washington square park. we walked to nypd headquarteress. the selection was made to send an important and symbolic message because this march is calling for a couple of things specifically. first of all, the removal of officer involved in the chokehold death of eric garner and calling for special prosecutors in cases of police misconduct. they are trying to send a message to nypd. it is interesting that this is a protest is about how communities are policed and the nypd has to
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facilitate this. for hours this morning you saw them getting ready. they knew they would have a crowd of thousands. they set up barricades. we have not seen any confrontations but we have some heavy police presence in all major intersections. you have thousands of people in the roads. police have to help them in order to get through the city in order to shut down traffic and keep this moving. >> i'm glad to see it has been peaceful throughout. that is one of the beautiful things about this country, the right to peaceful protests. live from the protest. also now i want to take you to the nation's capitol where we heard from marchers and relatives of four unarmed black men who died by bullets or died at the hands of police. relatives of trayvon martin, michael brown, rice, eric garner, their families joining on the podium in washington all seeking justice.
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they say they didn't get it yet for the death of their loved ones. >> hands up, don't shoot. i can't breathe. please don't shoot. i want to grow up, too. >> it hurts me to my heart to know that so many men are getting away with shooting and killing our young people and not being held accountable for it. >> washington, thank you. wow. what a sea of people. if they don't see this and make a change then i don't know what we got to do. >> and you know our sons, you know they may not be here in body, but they are here with us in each and everyone of you. you brought them here today. >> my husband was a quiet man,
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but he is making a lot of noise right now. and his voice will be heard. >> my son was 12 years old, just a baby, a baby, my baby, the youngest out of four. >> people don't quite get it. they don't quite understand. they want to talk about we're not together. take a look around. we are together. we are united. >> hands up, don't shoot. >> when we go home today we hope that they have heard our voices, they yield to our commands because no justice, no peace. >> i don't have to tell not one single african-american about racial profiling because you guys know. so what i challenge you to do is
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talk to somebody that does not know. talk to somebody and make somebody else knowledgeable and make somebody else aware and educate somebody else about what you are going through because long as we just talk to ourselves we are going to stay in our same circles. and we got to step out of that circle and we got to make positive change. >> and those are just some of the voices asking for that change. a big question will those grieving families, are they going to get the kind of justice that they are asking for? let me bring in defense attorney joining me now. a lot of cases here. let's discuss the case of 12-year-old rice. this young boy in cleveland in a park wielding a toy gun. i have seen the gun. it looks like a real gun. no indicator on it that it is fake. the caller to 911 said someone has a gun. it might be fake. it's possibly fake.
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he was shot and killed by a police officer who is now on leave. do you think we will see an indictment? >> that case breeds the type of case that leads to an indictment. this officer did not follow protocol, pulled right up. didn't keep distance. police officers are supposed to keep a long enough distance where they can engage the person and ask them to drop their weapon and then see of other nonviolent ways to diffuse the situation. this officer did not. within two seconds of driving within about ten feet he shot. there is no excuse for that. and in addition to that, that officer who is on paid leave now, he was fired or forced to resign from a prior police department where there was evidence that he was not mentally capable of handling that type of situation. >> his past record was not reviewed as far as we know when he was hired to this police department.
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let me ask you of the case of eric garner. whether he is going to remain on the nypd and what capacity is still in question. do you think he will remain on the force? could the family bring their own civil charges? >> the family will definitely bring their own civil charges. the eric garner case is very interesting where this man died on tape. not only did he allegedly -- he says i didn't choke him. >> he says it was a wrestling maneuver he learned at the police academy. >> that led to a man's death. whether he wants to call it a chokehold or not that's what it was because this man died on the pavement. the most chilling part about it is that they did nothing. the police officers did not rending cpr. they ignored his cries saying i can't breathe and he died in front of them which goes to show they are criminally negligent. >> he says i heard him say i can't breathe but i thought he
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could indeed breathe. does he remain on the force? >> he should not remain on the force. >> does he legally? >> legally they will have problems keeping him on the force especially with the public outcry. when you have a police officer on the force who is known he is in a very dangerous role at this point because people want to retaliate against him. he would be a danger to fellow officers. >> we have to remember the feds department of justice investigating the death, those investigations can take quite a while. we will be watching. >> thank you for joining me. >> the senate, good news out of washington. they have reached a deal, a short-term deal to keep our government funded and running but the clock is ticking. we will take you live to the white house after a quick break. so you can see like right here i can just... you know, check my policy here, add a car, ah speak to customer service, check on a know, all with the ah, tap of my geico app. oh, that's so cool.
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trillion overall package to keep this government funded and prevent it from shutting down. it has passed a short-term spending bill to fund the government through wednesday. that bill goes to the house and then to the president. live at the white house, what do you think? are we going to get the deal we need tonight? >> the votes are there certainly. it's a matter of procedure. and what the deal would have to entail is that senator mike lee of utah and senator ted cruz of texas would have to be appeased. there was some talk an hour or so ago that they would be able to reach a deal tonight so that president obama could sign that $1.1 trillion bill that would fund the government through september 30 either tonight, early tomorrow. it looks at this point like there will still be this procedural vote at 1:00 a.m. that will kick the debate forward and then a vote on final passage sometime early on monday.
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again, there is not going to be a government shutdown tonight because they have passed that short term funding measure that funds the government through wednesday but we will see a bill passed at some point most likely on monday could be a deal tonight but at this point we are really looking now at monday morning. >> is there -- after the disaster that the last government shutdown was and a lot of the blame falling on the republicans is there any chance -- a lot of people pointing fingers at the republicans, is there any chance that it happens again or is it just a matt of a delay? >> at this point it is very much just a delay. we have heard from senate minority leader mitch mcconnell today. he says he was blind sided by ted cruz and mike lee last night because it is unusual once leaders of the two parties of the senate reach an agreement to move forward on a procedure that a rank in file back benture
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member they are junior members. it did blind side mcconnell that they went ahead and did this. we are not going to see a government shutdown at this point. so many republicans want to avoid that. democrats want to avoid that, as well. we heard a little bit of a rumbling earlier in the week from elizabeth warren because she was unhappy with the bill because it rolls back some regulations on wall street. she is not going to stand in the way of it either. we are not looking at a government shutdown at this point. >> there is still politics involved even if they get that bill passed it is only going to fund the department of homeland security through february because that is the department that would enforce president obama's executive action on immigration. we could be ahead for a big fight on that one. thank you for the update from the white house. congressional spending bills are notorious for their pork,
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nods to het projects of individual lawmakers and really last-minute deals. with all of the deals struck to get it approved this spending bill is no different. our digital correspondent gives us his take on the bill. >> there is always talk about congress can't get anything done. >> you have one job. >> you know how they do get things done? by slipping things into 1,600 page bills in the middle of the night. that's how. >> such as a ban on internet sales tax for a year prohibiting the federal government from designating two species as endangered. blocking the district of columbia from implementing a marijuana legalization law that the people passed in november. there is a ban on using public money for official portraits increasing the amount of money you can give to a political party from $97,000
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in it isis justifies child rape and offers tips on capturing and punishing young girls. yesterday armed men handed out the pamphlet. >> this isn't really a surprise. we have known this has been going on for quite sometime. what this gives us is another window into the isis organization. this 27 point brochure details rules for rape. my impression from this is that these fighters, these people do not view their captives as human beings. they are property to be dealt with and used and abused however they like. one of them was lucky enough to escape and talk to our ivan watson a while back. >> translator: they came to the room and looked around at the girls. if they liked one they chose her
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and took her. if the girls cried they beat the girl. the guy who chose me was 70 years old and he took me to his house. there were four girls there already. hay hit us and didn't give us enough to eat or drink. they told us we were infidells. he put me to a room and put a gun to my head and i was on the ground. he said i will kill you because you will not convert to islam. that night they took an 11-year-old girl away. when she came back she told me they raped her. >> the greatest sin it says for one of the slaves is to escape from their master sending a very dire warning. to give an idea of the kind of people buying them this shows a room full of isis fighters getting ready to acquire their slaves and really they are joking about it. you can get the impression of how little value for human life that these men have and really the living hell that these
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female slaves are living through. >> thank you for that report. i want you to take a look at something. take a look at this. see this? almost 600 pages. it is a summary of the more than 6,000 page senate intelligence committee report on cia interrogation tactics. its findings are brutal, graphic, very disturbing, talking about things like near drownings, rectal feedings. one man chained on a floor for days. detainees forced to stand on broken legs and feet, others sexually threatened with a broomstick. why release it now? why did this happen? here is senate intelligence committee chair dianne feinstein. >> we submit this study on be 1/2 of the committee to the public and with it the report will carry the message never
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again. >> what did this report find? what did it redact and keep secret? what is the cia saying about it? should our country fear retaliation from our enemies abroad? with me to discuss this hour cnn vice president of the group, robert mcfadden and former cia interrogation expert and special correspondent for the daily beast and former cia operative joining us straight ahead. ♪
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we are back with our guests talking about this. this is just the executive summary. huge executive summary, very disturbing findings about the cia's interrogation tactics after 9/11. i want to get your take on this report out of the senate intelligence committee and the fact that the intelligence may or may not have come out that real helpful intelligence may or may not have come out of the tactics used. this is detainee number one, reported aid to osama bin laden. according to the report he was tortured for 17 consecutive days, 24/7. that is 400 some hours of torture. the cia made plans to cremate his body should he have died in custody. to you someone familiar with
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interrogation tactics that work and don't work you are talking about a situation where he was water boarded. do you believe that interrogation tactics like this get results? because that is a huge criticism? >> absolutely not. not effective results that produce quick efficient actionable intelligence. one of the great things about the report being released you can see in detail in the summary that was the cross roads where the decision was made to go that route or to stick with traditional effective ways that we, i and colleagues know work. the bulk of the effective and actual intelligence take was in that period from capture up until around april of 2002. but when there was the introduction of that kind of route you can see the preponderance of the good intelligence was under the traditional use of interrogation.
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>> it is interesting the report talks about the etis used on the one who helped lead them to bin laden's courier. i want to talk about page 20 of the report saying the cia contracted with two psychologists to develop to assess interrogation operations. neither had experience as interrogator nor did either have special knowledge about anything relevant to this job. as a former cia operative, it is so hard just to be allowed to work in the cia let alone get an $80 million contract. >> it's more than that. i have done this for 20 years, questioned people on terrorism. that was my job. and the first condition of making that work was to know what i was talking about so i could know when a source was telling me something truthfully.
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without that background knowledge you cannot begin to do questioning or interrogation. i find it completely offensive that these guys got $81 million for doing what? they had never questioned anybody. this is just a catastrophe when you look at it. there is no acceptable reason that these two guys should have been hired, none. >> and to build on that, one thing that i will say and i want to bring in -- those that are fighting back against that, pushing back against this say you have to understand the context. yo vuto understand that in the immediate after math of 9/11 things were different. you were right across from the south tower when it fell -- >> north tower. >> i was here. i just moved to new york five days before. this was a traumatic time. listening to this, can you respond to your thoughts on the fact that not only the torture tactics but the fact that the cia contracted out contract to people with seemingly no experience to oversee this. >> the only thing i can think --
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almost everybody involved in this meant well. i think that it was a time right after 9/11 we were all shocked. how did this happen? what do we do? obviously, what we knew before wasn't enough to protect us. how can we stop it from happening again? i think people were panicked. i also think it was a mass murder and they would have done a lot better with a guy from manhattan north homicide talking to these guys than a couple of psychologists who they took a theory based upon experiments that had been done with dogs in 1960s and they tried to say that we have to create this state of helplessness. once we do that they will be completely cooperative. by the way, we are the ones who can do it. and then they talk in the report that there was a conflict of interest. they not only turned it over to them and also put them in charge of evaluating how effective it was. guess what they said.
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they said let's keep doing it. the next thing you know it was $180 million contract. and then but when it finally got shut down they took home 80 million. when their name reached the press i think it was in 2008 they built a government $600,000 for counter surveillance to protect themselves. they got $1 million paid out. we paid their lawyers for when they sat down with the senate committee. they lawyered up with the senate intelligence committee. >> so many shocking things about what was carried out in these secret prisons and how things operated from the government standpoint in contracts, et cetera that no one ever knew. we will take a quick break and get back to more of our discussion on this. coming up. >> these were medical procedures. >> you are really defending -- >> what i'm defending is
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history. >> we are going to talk about the former head of the cia speaking out to cnn defending the agency's tactics including rectal rehydration. >> this is page 359 of this report. it looks more like an ink blot test. almost every single word blacked out, almost every page has redactions making it pretty tough to know the full story. we will discuss next. just in time for the holidays. t-mobile introduces america's only unlimited 4g lte family plan. get two lines of unlimited 4g lte data for just 100 bucks a month. with any smart phone. including the samsung galaxy note 4, for $0 down. add more family members for just 40 bucks a pop. think the other guys have a family plan like this? think again. only t-mobile has an unlimited 4g lte plan for the whole family. that'll get your holiday bell ringing.
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so 7% of the senate report on the cia's interrogation tactics after 9/11 is blacked out, names of countries involved, names of most of the cia officers involved all redacted. here is page 45, page 128 and next i will show you page 359. a lot of redactions. my panel is back. let me begin with bob, former cia operative. when you look at redactions like this, all the officer's names are redacted, pseudoinconyms art provided. who knew what when? is that the right move? >> well, they could have substituted names and some of the employees they have redacted out are overt employees. they should have been left. they simply could have substituted other names to make the narrative more readable.
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it is important to figure out who made mistakes in the program because even brennan said mistakes were made. i think we need to know who the people are and make them accountable. >> the department of justice twice since this has investigated members of the cia for this. nothing has come of it. of those cia agents that interrogated these individuals, they weren't interviewed. senator angus king was asked about that by wolf blitzer. he said you had the investigation until 2007. wolf pushed back and said you had from 2011 until now to do it. do you think that is a mistake? >> i think it's a mistake not to gather every single bit of information we can about this because never again is right. you want to know. to stop it from happening again
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you have to know what happened. you have to know how it happened. the other thing is i think for the sake of the people who are blameless it should be made clear who is to blame because there are a lot of decent people is in the cia who are walking around. they are not torturers. >> risking their lives for this country to keep us safe. >> they are great americans and should be considered great americans and shouldn't be shamed by something a couple of knuckle heads did. >> you do think everyone should have been interviewed even after 2011 when the doj investigation ended? >> i think we have to know every single thing we can. one thing about the report they didn't redact it for what was embarrassing and outrageous. there are little details that tell you the truth. there was no medical necessity for using rectal hydrating. >> we will talk about this now. this phrase getting a lot of
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attention. at least five cia detainees subjected to rectal feeding without documented medical necessity. take a listen to how it is defended. >> let's differentiate, if we can, for the sake of the conversation, between the abuses such as the rectal re-hydration. >> stop. that was a medical procedure. that was done because of detainee health that the people responsible there for the health of the detainees saw they were becoming dehydrated and had limited options. it was invuvenus with needles. it was through nasal passages. >> humus and pine nuts? >> this is one of the kays that the body is rehydrated. these were medical procedures. >> are you really defending
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rectal re-hydration? >> what i am defending is history. >> where do you fall on this? >> all i can say, those kinds of things were so far off the reservation of the way we would go about doing an effective interrogation it is beyond belief. i will say, though, too, that it is not a surprise to me because i was briefed into the program after september '06. so it wasn't a surprise but it is shocking to read those things in black and white. what is important and some of the things we are already talking about when we are talking about the contract psychologist brought into the program they sold snake oil and junk science that were bought. for my view the report doesn't detail as to what was the decision process and who were involved in making those decisions.
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a good friend of mine, operational psychologist is one of the best in advising interrogations said there was something known where you have a situation like this 100 days of isolation isn't enough when you are getting this kind of bad advice. it is 110. and these are the kind of things that happen. >> we will talk more about this while you heard the former head of the cia say this was a medical procedure. the man running the cia's secret operations at the time said he never heard of it. >> i am telling you i do not know any of the information that they are talking about and some of it in the report about abuses and this being one. >> who knew what when? we will discuss next. huh, fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percent or more on car insurance. everybody knows that. well, did you know genies can be really literal? no.
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all right. let's continue our discussion about the cia's enhanced interrogation tactics with the government, what leaders knew about the program, and frankly, what the people in the report that -- names redacted, what they're saying about it now. some defenders of the cia's enhanced interrogation program says the senate report claims they were hiding what they did from congress. they say that's absolutely false. congress knew, the white house knew. that's what they're saying. in particular, cia levieders attacking senate intelligence committee chairwoman dianne feinstein's claim she was kept in the dark. here is michael haden speaking
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with cnn's jake tapper. >> she's saying that you misled congress. your response. >> my response is, you've got to be kidding. i'm the one who argued within the administration, frankly, with the strong support of the president in 2006 during that first summer when i was director, that we had to go full monlty to the committees. this could not be just the president's program. it had to be america's program. >> bob, your former colleagues in the cia, some are named in this report. you say their names redacted. are they in line with haden on that, that it's not true that leaders in washington didn't know what's going on? >> they have told me over and over again that the -- the gang of eight, the two committees, intelligence committees, were informed in general terms. quite sure the committees weren't told about rectal hydration or leaving someone out to die of hypothermia. but it's normal in washington for the committees not to be given those details. what the cia does is if is there
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a mistake made like that or crime, they refer at the department of justice. it's up to the department of justice to bring it to prosecution or not. what a lot of them say, they didn't like this program from the beginning. it was going to -- the wheels were going to come off. it was going to blow up at some point. they were against it. that's one reason a lot of contractors were brought in, because cia people simply didn't want to do it. they knew it was a disaster, waiting to happen. >> michael, to you. this brings up a very important ethical debate about whether drone strikes are any better than enhanced interrogation techniques. when you have drone strikes that, according to some accounts, have killed upwards of 2,000 people, including innocent lives, as well as suspected terrorists and terrorists, do you -- do you see a difference here? is one program better than the other? >> how can you -- that's when you really -- that is the argument one of these psychologists brought up, when he had an interview with vice. well, it's much worse than doing
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the drone thing. that has nothing to do with what he did. but we're here talking about -- >> well, but it's about america's war on terror, right? and how do you best get the information you need and get the bad guys to stop? >> yeah, but you don't -- that is the question. how do you get the best information you can, to get the bad guys to stop. clearly, what you don't do is do it with rectal hydrating and waterboarding. there is some question people say save lives. i want to know, did it cost lives. you have people cooperating with interrogators, and you wasted huge amounts of time on interrogations that produced almost nothing. you have to wonder, you know, did that hamper more than help? and if you start getting into drones and all that stuff, that is something worth talking about. >> you don't think we should be talking about this. >> i think we should. but i think we shouldn't stop talking about the torture at the expense of that. >> understood. i want to follow up, robert, with you on this question. i want to play some sound from
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former attorney general alberto gonzalez reacting to this report. listen. >> we have no way -- i have no way of knowing how much of this information is, in fact, true, because there is a lot of information, quite honestly, that surprised me. and i'm sure there's a lot of information to hear that surprises president bush. >> your take? do you believe he is surprised, president bush is surprised? we know he wasn't fully briefed, president bush on this, or briefed, really in depth until april 2006. >> i find that plausible. as bob said at the very top of government, that level of detail, you would think wouldn't ordinarily come into it. the briefings. but, you know, when you're talking about the report and rebutting the report, even if one looks at the first 19 pages of the major findings, any objective read of that report heavily footnoted, it talks about things that take of the intelligence, at most, either affirmed information that was already available, or was not all that important. it's there to rebut, and to go
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over where that information came from. so, again, it's there. if a high-level official wants to say that it's a bunch of hooey or doesn't make any sense -- >> you're talking vice president dick cheney who said that, and said this did lead to actionable intelligence. >> i think the public then would demand, where is the evidence of that, because a report lays it out that it didn't say there was no information. i know for a fact information was produced. >> but did that lead to -- >> exactly. >> important captures. >> important and actionable information. >> appreciate it, gentlemen. we can talk about this all night. michael, robert, bob baer, thank you for being with me. coming up here on cnn, moments away, "smerconish." michael, what do you have lined up for tonight? >> hey, poppy. controversy continues to swirl around the campus of uva, because of that "rolling stone" piece about an alleged case of rape. we'll explore that and do it from a men's perspective with a very interesting guest. also, new revelations pertaining to bill cosby and
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after serving in afghanistan, our cnn hero of the year said about reuniting soldiers with the animals that they had come to know and love during their service. here's ben forthing. >> congratulations. you've been named cnn hero of the year. were you surprised? >> surprised is an understatement. i'm absolutely amazed. this is such an honor. i feel so proud of everybody involved. it's just amazing. >> tell me about the idea. when did you first come up with the idea for this organization? >> i was in a supermarket when i had finished my tour, and i just -- i was like -- i was getting shot at two days ago and now we're shopping. and what did i leave behind? and you just can't forget about it. and i felt i wanted to do something more. >> was the idea initially just to reunite soldiers with animals they had met? >> you would come in off patrol, and it didn't matter how bad the
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patrol had gone. this little dog -- this little stumpy tail was wagging away and he was happy to see me. and it's just normality, and it's totally crazy. >> bringing an animal back they met while there helps with their transition coming home, too. >> wives have come to us after and said my husband has come back from afghanistan, there was a little bit of him he didn't bring back. and i sat and looked at him and he's not responding. and then he would get up and take the dog out for a walk and then when he comes back, he's the old guy i used to know. >> do you know what you're going to do with the money? it was $25,000 and now you're getting an additional $100,000. >> 1,000 afghan kids die each year from rabbis, bitten by a stray dog. within 24 hours, you need to be vaccinated, otherwise that's it. we're trying to humanely control the stray dog population. so this $100,000 is going to go a long ways to help afghan kids avoid being bit by a rabid dog in the first place.
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>> congratulations. >> thank you so much. this is absolutely amazing. thank you, cnn. >> congrats to pen farthing. i'm poppy harlow. i'll see you later, with much more, including the marches. "smerconish" begins right now. i'm michael smerconish. thanks for tuning in to what should be an informative program on the most provocative stories of the week. without question, rape is a horrific violation of women. but what about men who might be falsely accused? i'll talk to a young man who says he was in that category, and his life will never be the same. and who is telling the truth about jackie's story at the university of virginia? we have new details. plus, call it an l.a. story. it might be lapd investigate bill cosby even where statutes of limitations have run out? that is a brand-new accuser and top