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suicide bombers scaled the walls of this school and hours later, more than 140 people are deds, most of them are children. this all played out tods in pto pakistan. and this is where militants attacked the school. in the place where most students are the sons and daughters of army personnel. the pakistani taliban has claimed responsibility for this attack. they said the killings were revenge for recent offensive by the pakistani military aimed at clearing out militants. president obama has reacted strongly today saying in part, quote, by targeting students and teachers in this heinous attack, terrorists have once again shown their depravity. i want to bring in tim craig, the bureau chief, he joins me from islamabad. let me begin with more of the details. we're hearing these attackers blew up a car to divert attention. they stormed the school shouting

god is great and apparently a 14-year-old boy told us one of the attackers said a lot of the children are under benches, kill them. what are you hearing? >> yeah. that's sort of what we're hearing here, you know, that, i've been doing this job for coming to pakistan in and out. and we've covered a lot of these tragedies, terrorist attacks. for a while, they were happening every month here. nothing can compare to what happened today in pakistan. across the country, across the world is just horror that, you know, the gunmen storm the school, and initially we were worried they were hostages, they were going to take hostages. they weren't interested in hostage taking, they were interested in killing. they killed more than 130 students, many of them teenagers, as well as at least seven faculty members in a span of over 3 or 4 hours. >> you know, you can think about the pakistan. i was reading this piece. you think about pakistan and one of the enemies number one has been india, though looks like this enemy is from within the

pakistani taliban. can you tell me how powerful this group is? >> well, the group, they don't really, they don't really have a lot of support within pakistan. they've been a fringe element that sort of rallied in the aftermath of september 11th when pakistan began aligning more with the u.s. and trying to combat terrorism in the aftermath of september 11th. and they have carried out since then horrific attacks across the country. predominantly targeting officials and soldiers. thousands of soldiers killed in this conflict. but today, they took it to a whole new level by targeting the children of these officers and soldiers. and they may have sort of really crossed the line in terms of public opinion here. pakistanis in general have become sort of immune to violence. this is a country where terrorism plays out daily across the country. but today, you sort of sense something different. you sense people from the northwestern part of the country just reacting with disbelief.

how could this happen in this country? and what really has become, this is one of the worst school shootings anywhere in the world in known history. this isn't just a pakistan issue, it's a world tragedy at this moment. >> it is absolutely a heinous act. and sounds like your words echo from what we've heard from the cnn national security analyst who likened this to be perhaps as pivotal to pakistan's national security as 9/11. he wrote the pakistani taliban are not a bunch of henry kissingers in waiting, but rather willing to kill scores of children. tim, do you see this as this turning point within pakistan? how would this affect national security where you are? >> i do think that, you know, pakistanis in general view this as their 9/11. walking around, even, in islamabad today where this was unfolding. you saw people staring at the televisions with that sort of blank stare of disbelief that we saw in the united states on

september 11th. now the question is, what can with done about it? the pakistani military is engaged in a substantial operation against these militants. and they're fighting a war on their own soil. it's a lot different than fighting a war abroad. so they have to go about this methodically and they're trying to sort of deal with this as best as they can. but how do they elevate this to the next level to sort of try to crush this problem for good? and i think anyone believes this will continue to be a yearlong struggle. this is not going to be resolved easily, soon, and this conflict will go on for many years to come, still. >> just hearing you say that, too, that this is pakistan's 9/11. tim craig, pakistan bureau chief for the "washington post." i appreciate your reporting. we're going to stay in close contact with you there in islamabad. you know, unfortunately, school children are a frequent target of the taliban, of course, who could forget mallala who was singled out and shot in the head. back in october of 2012.

she survived and last week became the youngest person to receive the nobel peace prize for her work to promote education and girls' rights in pakistan and all around the world. and so when she heard about the news today in pakistan, she reacted to the taliban attack saying this, i am heartbroken by the senseless and cold-blooded act that is unfolding before us. innocent children in their school have no place in horror such as this. she also released this on camera statement. >> we stand with all those families and all those children who are injured right now and who are suffering through this big trauma. and now it is time that we unite. and i call upon the international community, leaders in pakistan, all political parties, and everyone that we should stand up together and fight against terrorism. and we should make sure that every child gets safe and quality education.

>> and now to this massive manhunt. it is still underway in pennsylvania where police say this former marine went on this killing rampage. bradley william stone is suspected of killing six people, his ex-wife, five of their relatives, the victims include his ex-wife's mother, and sister-in-law. and when you look at the map here, you can see investigators say the shooting happened in three separate locations. this is just northwest of philadelphia. cnn is following this for us from harleysville, pennsylvania. and the question, miguel, is do police have a clue where he might be? >> reporter: well, he may be, in fact, be dead. local officials and local affiliates here are reporting that a body has been found near where he was last seen just after he dropped off his children yesterday afternoon, and they are checking into those reports. so this may be something that is coming to an end. officers and authorities here saying that the possibility of a suicide is something they were looking into.

they have been going through the area block by block, yard by yard. and that is something they are following up on now. just an awful, awful situation here with schools today. many on different type schedules because of the search going on throughout this area. they thought he may have been spotted last night in an attempted carjacking that turned out not to be the case. so they've not come up with a very good idea of where he is. but this latest possibility may mean we may all be back in this room soon to hear from authorities about whether or not mr. bradley stone has, in fact, been found dead. brooke? >> well, we will standby for that news if, in fact, that news breaks. but, again, i mean the why, the answer to the question, why. we know police were pointing to a domestic dispute. i know at one point in time, he actually had his two daughters

with him. there was some sort of custody issue with his ex-wife. tell me more about that. >> well, we have fairly sketchy information. there are neighbors who have said that the ex-wife had drug issues. that he had capitalcohol issues. he served in iraq in 2008. he may have suffered from ptsd. it's not clear any of these things are true or any of these things contributed to what happened. it is certainly an unbelievable, unimaginable the extent to which this individual went through to not only kill his ex-wife, but to kill his exmother-in-law, the grandmother-in-law. ex-sister-in-law. her husband, a 14-year-old daughter, amazingly enough, and also shot their 17-year-old son. he is still alive. he took his two daughters to a family friend's home, dropped them off. at least they, the saving grace is that 17-year-old is clinging to life in serious, but stable condition and his two daughters

are, at least, alive. he has a new wife and daughter who are also fine, brooke. >> horrendous. miguel marquez, keep us posted. we'll be watching and waiting for the news conference. miguel marquez in pennsylvania. thank you, sir. just ahead, a reporter breaks down in this chilling moment of television when she learns the identity of one of the victims in the sydney cafe attack. all of this as we learn one of the cafe employees died a hero. i was out for a bike ride. i didn't think i'd have a heart attack. but i did. i'm mike, and i'm very much alive. now my doctor recommends a bayer aspirin regimen to help prevent another heart attack. be sure to talk to your doctor before you begin an aspirin regimen. that's the way i look at life. looking for something better. especially now that i live with a higher risk of stroke due to afib, a type of irregular heartbeat, not caused by a heart valve problem. i was taking warfarin, but wondered if i kept digging,

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horrific standoff in sydney, 16 plus hours of terror. another terror strike claiming the lives a number of students targeted by gunmen. taliban militants in pakistan out on a mission to kill the children in today's attacks, claiming the lives of at least 141 people, mostly between the ages of 12 and 16. so what is leading to this rise in terror? let's discuss this with my next guest. an analyst on islamic extremism. and he's publishing his new book "isis: the state of terror." also with me, an ex-jihadist turned counterterrorism operative. gentlemen, that you think so much to both of you for coming on. >> thank you. >> let me just begin with you and your personal story. i know at age 19, you say you were swept away by militant jihadi culture, meeting with members of the taliban in pakistan. how did they inspire you?

>> yeah, this was 1995 in pakistan. this was what later became the regular taliban, if you will, the afghan taliban. and later on, there was a split between the larger group into ttp or the pakistani taliban. you know, i got swept up into it in 1995. i was young, adventurous, i was looking for, you know, the romanticized ideals of the muslim fighters of the old days. and i think this is the same thing that catches a the lot of individuals. they wear the costume of religion, but it's the furthest thing from it. >> costume, that's an interesting word you chose. i'm going to loop back to, but we're also now getting word from -- we're hearing from the spokesperson from the afghan taliban condemning this attack in pakistan saying, and i quote, this is from the spokesperson,

deliberate killing of innocent women and children is against principles. everyone should consider this. he referenced the split of the taliban, can you explain the differences in factions? why is this significant here? >> well, there's a lot of splits -- >> well, the pakistani -- >> this is for j.m. >> and there's also -- sorry. there's a lot of splintering going on right now in the pakistani taliban in particular. there's a lot of division in the jihadist movement generally, which has been sparked to some extent by isis, the islamic state and its embrace of really kind of indiscriminate violence. so we are seeing a little bit of differentiation among different groups on the question of what kind of violence is acceptable. >> go ahead. jump in. >> yeah. i just wanted to say that, you know, the afghan taliban are, if i can say not as bad as pakistani taliban. this is, you know, the latter

group is a whole other creature. >> define not as bad. >> well, you know, they're -- the afghan taliban's war is over what they, you know, see as western invaders. to them, you know, the fight, it's not globalized, they're not really looking to bring the war here, if you will. if you think of the time square bomber, that was a game pakistani taliban. that's a whole other category of evil, i think. the afghan taliban are different. they are different. you can actually negotiate with them and governments do negotiate with them. it is necessary to kind of draw distinction. they're not all the same. >> but then why, j.m., with this attack. this was apparently retaliation, you know, against the government. but why target children? why a soft target like a school? >> well, there's a history of

attacks on children in pakistan and in afghanistan for that matter. you know, there you have objections to the kind of education that people are getting. in this case, i believe the school was connected to the government, you know, maybe you can clarify that for me, but i believe there's a, you know, this was a school where the graduates would take part in military or government activity, then so that was part of the justification for targeting it. >> i got it. and back toer your point about this romance -- how are these militants using the koran to justify these brutal, heinous attacks and killings? >> well, you know, i'm glad to hear finally that people are understanding we need to combat the ideology of these groups. and encourage -- >> how do we do that? >> look up this group called --

>> well, first of all look up this group ca. a dooeviant group where the prophet condemned them, referred to them as dogs of hellfire, the worst of creatures. and there was specifically, you know, defined by the use of the koran, that the koran, they would cite it, but it would not pass their throats or they would cite the koran and take from it that which it did not say or mean. so this is something known in the islamic tradition. and this is exactly what we're seeing today. these are groups. >> thank you, both, for joining me. coming up next, tyler perry talks to cnn about the rape allegations against bill cosby as the comedian's wife rips the media. we'll talk live with a reporter who just interviewed cosby. plus, investigators say a teenager killed himself, but his

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as the number of accusers claiming bill cosby drugged and/or sexually assaulted them continues to grow. another hollywood titan is speaking out about the allegations dogging the

legendary entertainer. film, director, producer, actor tyler perry was asked by don lemon to comment about the accusations facing cosby. here he was. >> i'll tell you this. this is the only thing i'm going to say about it. >> yes, sir. >> if the allegations are true, it's a horrible thing. if the allegations are not true, it's a horrible thing. that's all i can say about it. >> well, there was a news reporter trying to get cosby to comment. join the club of many people trying to get cosby to comment now has caught, though, the iconic entertainer's ire. cosby says this reporter, a freelance journalist stacy brown working for the "new york post," his words duped him into thinking the reporter worked for the black press. cosby also claims he did not know the conversation was being -- was on the record. cosby's attorney immediately rushed out the statement which said mr. brown did not indicate he was interviewing mr. cosby for publication, did not say he was reporting ining for the "n

post." and did not tell mr. cosby that the conversation was being recorded. in a discussion of journalistic standards, mr. brown failed to adhere to the most basic standards of his profession. so joining me now is that reporter, stacy brown. nice to have you on. you have seen what this attorney has said. your response, sir. >> there is no way that he did not know this was for publication. and quite frankly, him and i have had a discussion in the past. and it was pretty much the same situation, with the "new york post." but i will say this, that if he had any objections to anything being published, then he should not have spoken to a reporter. >> i mean, you clearly, what, identified yourself on the phone? >> yeah. and before i could say -- before i could say brown, he says, i know who you are, i remember you.

and we went off -- on from there. >> can you also -- >> let me tell you this, too. because i -- if it was off the record, then i would have -- i would have loved to have gotten a whole lot more than what he gave me. but no one ever said off the record, and i would certainly not go off the record under those circumstances. >> got ya. can you also, stacy, clear something up for me. because it was all over this film conversation you had with mr. cosby and what he was saying about the black press. so let's just walk back a step and a half. when you, when you, you know, had to identify yourself, knew who you were. you were asking the question, you know, about black media. how did you phrase the question for him to respond the way he did? >> well, again, i introduced myself, but he cut it off. i said to him, i said, you know, the washington informer who i also write for and the national newspaper publishers association

which is a 200-member black press, black newspaper association has treated him fairly. and, in. the "washington informer" published two stories that used his fans and their response to the allegation. they were pro-bill cosby. and he, he said he appreciated that very much. he said he would have his team treat me like royalty because of it. i told him that wasn't necessary and he continued with that. but then he went on to say that he expects that the black press would report, basically, his word was neutral. and what he was asking for was fairness. now, there's been a lot of talk about that statement. however, i don't agree with what a lot of people are saying about it that he is actually looking for the black press to do him favors. i don't believe that's what he was trying to convey. >> but to be clear, the comment about the black press didn't, poof, come out of nowhere.

you led him because he knew the other publication you'd been working for. so, he knew in a sense that you were talking about black media. i wanted to be crystal clear on that. i think a lot of that has been taken out of context. >> it has been. no, he knew that i worked for black media. he knew he was talking with a black reporter. >> okay. let me ask you this because the other really -- the news item today on this whole story is that now we have heard from camille cosby. bill cosby's wife, via the statement, absolutely defending her husband and ripping members of the media. this is what she says in part. let me read part of this for you. there appears to be no vetting of my husband's accusers before stories are published or aired, an accusation is published and immediately goes viral. she goes on, none of us will want to be in the position of attacking a victim. but the question should be as d asked, who is the victim? what's your response to that? >> i understand where she's coming from. i heard someone earlier today

liken her to jerry sandusky's wife, which i think might be a little unfair. we don't know what happened. but i understand where she's coming from because so many are coming out. and so many are saying that he did this. however, the other side of that coin is we haven't heard from mr. cosby, from him directly. we've gotten statements from his team that say that most of the allegations denied. some of them they have not denied. we should keep that in mind, too. and all for fairness, we need both sides of the story. >> yes, we do. >> she said that we're kind of running wild here. and i think in some instances as a whole, the media is. but a lot of that is because this man is not saying anything. >> well, i'm wondering if we have heard now from camille

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just past the bottom of the hour. you're watching cnn. when north carolina police told claudia her 17-year-old son had been found dead, she was, obviously, shocked, heartbroken. but when the medical examiner ruled his death a suicide, she couldn't believe it. her son was a vibrant young man with a bright future. to her, it didn't make any sense. neither did the physical details of this case. now we've learned the teenager's family is calling the death a lynching, the fbi is stepping in. here's cnn's victor blackwell. >> i look for him and don't see him. i listen for him and don't hear him. >> the last time claudia lacy saw and heard her 17-year-old son lennon lacy was around the

time he snapped this selfie. the caption, last night pic before the big game. he was a high school student in north carolina and a lineman on the football team focused on a professional football career. >> he was a physical fit 17-year-old, very athletic. down to his food, everything he drank. >> but lennon had asthma and had to exercise outside at night after the temperature dropped. something his family said he did often. lennon headed out for a walk the night of august 28th. they never saw him alive again. the next morning. >> hanging from a swing. >> yes. he hung himself. >> lennon's body was found dangling, covered in fire ants in the center of a mobile home park. >> it's out in the open, trailers all around. people work, you know, around the clock, these hours of the day. someone should've saw something. but no one has seen anything.

>> it was like a dream. it was like i was not seeing what i was seeing. >> the state medical examiner's office declared lennon's death a suicide, but lennon's mother believes they're wrong. >> he didn't do this to himself. >> do you believe your son was lynched? >> yes. >> pierre lacy is lennon's brother. >> he may either been strangled somewhere else and placed there, or he was hung there while people were around watching him die. >> when questioned by state investigators, lennon's mom said he'd been depressed because a relative died recently. lacy says she did not mean he suffered from depression. >> when you just lose someone close to you, you're going to be depressed, upset and in mourning. >> lennon's family says he was focused on football and college and distracted by his ex-girlfriend. his mother says 17-year-old lennon had been dating a 31-year-old white woman. the age of consent in north carolina is 16. still, some people in this small southern town did not like it. lennon's mother did not like their dramatic age difference.

>> i was shocked, disappointed, and i also initially told him how i felt. i did not approve of it. >> in the wake of his hanging, some wondered if he was killed because he was in an interracial relationship. racial tension can exist just below the surface. and here, it is breakthrough. local news covered a ku klux klan rally weeks before his body was found. >> are there people in this community that didn't like that a 17-year-old black male and a 31-year-old white female. >> a week after he was buried, a teenager was arrested for desecrating his grave. william barber leads the conference of the naacp. >> it could be a lynching or staged lynching. we don't know. but there has to be a serious and full investigation of these matters. >> the naacp hired forensic pathologist christina roberts to

review the case, including dr. deborah radish's autopsy completed for the state. her first concern, basic physics. lennon was 5'9", the cross bar of the swing set is 7 1/2 feet off the ground. with no swings or anything else found at the scene that he could've used according to the naacp's review, how did he get up there? >> his size, his stature does not add up to him being capable of, i mean, just krukconstructi all of this alone in the dark. >> the caller, a 52-year-old woman was able to get the 207 pound teen down. >> i need to try to get him down. >> if you can. >> then, seconds later. >> according to the review, dr. radish also noted that she was not provided with photographs or dimensions of the swingset. without this information, she would be unable to evaluate the ability to create this scenario. lacy says she told state

investigators the belts used to fashion the noose did not belong to lennon. >> i know every piece and every stitch of clothes this child has, i buy them, i know. >> the initial report from the medical examiner, however, though notes the belts appears to be dog leashes. according to the review, she said she thought some portion must be missing because there was no secondary cut in either belt. a cut that would have been made to take the body down. and lennon's family says he left home that night wearing size 12 air jordans, but he was found wearing these size 10 1/2 air force ones, shoes that were not with lennon's body when he arrived at the medical examiner's office according to the naacp review. >> he's going to walk a quarter mile from his house in a pair of shoes that's two sizes too small after he takes off his new pair of shoes, and this is a 17-year-old black kid with a brand new pair of jordans on. he's going to take those jordans off and just get rid of them and put on some shoes that ain't -- that's not his. we don't know where he got them

from. no laces in them and continue to walk down this dirt road late at night to a swing set, in the middle of the trailer park and hang himself? >> and there are questions in the naacp review about lennon's death being ruled a suicide. dr. radish noted her determination of manner of death in this case as suicide was based on the information she was provided by law enforcement and the local medical examiner. she would've likely called the manner of death pending while awaiting toxicology and investigation. but the local medical examiner had already signed the manner of death as suicide. however, in the summary of the case written the day lennon was found, the local medical examiner asks, did he hang self? will autopsy tell us? and left the conclusion on the manner of death pending. we asked to interview radish, instead a department spokesperson sent cnn a statement confirming the conversations between roberts and radish in writing.

the comments released by the naacp were a synopsis of the professional exchange between the naacp's independently retained pathologist and dr. radish. local police and state investigators declined to speak with cnn on camera for this story. >> we don't have confidence in this local group here to be able to carry out the depth level of the investigation that needs to be done. >> now, the fbi is reviewing the circumstances surrounding lennon's death. >> that's all i've asked for, what is due rightfully to me and my family. justice. prove to me what happened to my child. >> as for the local police department there, because it is so, so small, it says it referred this case to the north carolina bureau of investigation. so far, the bureau has only acknowledged that it has the case, no further comment. victor blackwell, thank you, stay on it for us. sony's "the interview," it

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well, one of the big questions, no one knows for sure what motivated these hackers to

attack sony pictures, but there's been plenty of speculation. this attack was prompted by the sony film "the interview." we talked about this, the interview is this comedy about a dark subject. about the assassination of a sitting world leader, the very living current leader of north korea. i want you to take a look at a brief clip from the film and we'll take a look at this. >> the cia would love it if you could take him out. >> hmm? >> take him out. >> for drinks? >> no, take him out. >> you want us to kill the leader of north korea? >> yes. >> what? >> hmm. brian, senior media correspondent host of "reliable sources" is on the phone with me. you have sources over at sony. we've been talking the last couple of days or week about how this is a hack. they say it's much more than that. >> yes, this has really escalated even in the last couple of hours because another

message came out that seems to be threatening people who might go and see this movie when it comes out in theaters on christmas day. this message even alludes to 9/11. and this is, of course, being taken very seriously, not just by sony, but by the federal government. pamela brown's reporting the fbi is aware of this and assessing the seriousness of it. brooke, what i find telling this afternoon is sony is not commenting. and the reason why, i'm told, is because this is in the hands of the fbi now. >> so given everything you just said, do we know if sony is at all reconsidering the release of the film? >> if they are, they are not telling anybody. even off the record, they are not saying that. i think what sony wants to say but can't say right now is this is not just hacking, this is cyber terrorism. that is how they are perceiving this to be. now, at the same time, even though it's very serious and these threats have to be taken seriously, it sounds absurd to a lot of people to think that a digital attack could translate

to a physical attack. that movie theaters could be threatened. take this into a whole other level and there'll be a new york premiere of this film on thursday. that is still expected to go forward. i think another thing that sony wants to say and hasn't said yet but might say in the days to come is this a freedom of speech issue and the studio can't feel it's being censored by this anonymous band of hackers. >> there are legal issues, potential lawsuits here. we're going to talk about that next hour. thank you so much. cyberterrorism. no longer just calling it a hack. so how about this? you pull up to the gas pump, do a double-take on the price, right? let me ask you this, if gas prices are so low right now, why are our plane ticket prices going up? it's insane. the answer is next. plus, more on our breaking news in the urgent hunt for a veteran accused of killing six family members. we are now getting word of a major discovery in the search. we'll take you there live. [ female announcer ] hands were made for talking. feet...tiptoeing.

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and federal law enforcement saying it is likely the body of bradley stone. we expect to hear from the district attorney who is a top cop in this area at 4:00 p.m. at a press conference that's been hastily arranged. she's on her way back here now to talk to the media. this is something that authorities have made a huge effort in locating this individual. they've been going through an extensive search in the pennsburg area. the last place he was seen. he dropped off his kids, his two young daughters at a family friend's house and fled. there was a report last night that somebody may have tried to hijack a car not too far from here. that turned out to be not a viable report. and sounds like this has come to an end with yet another death with mr. bradley stone taking his own life. brooke. >> we will wait for that news conference in about an hour from now for confirmation. miguel marquez for now, thank you so much. meantime, oil prices, they are plummeting. down by about 50% since this

summer. gas prices, hooray, also falling. the average price for a gallon of regular is $2.52. but guess what's not cheaper if you have tried to grab those flights, right, for the holiday travel season. plane tickets. that's right. the cost of airfare even higher than it was before. the oil prices started falling. airlines still hitting us travelers for fees with everything from leg room to luggage and keeping fuel surcharges in place despite the fact the fuel is cheaper. christina, cnn money correspondent. >> baggage fees -- >> what is up with this? >> well, here's -- it's a little bit complicated. >> of course it is. >> for airlines, fuel is not only a very variable cost, it's their biggest cost. it makes up about 30% of costs. so they try and lock in the price of oil. so that means that their contracts are very long. it doesn't necessarily mean just because oil is dropping that

they're paying the lower price, they're locked in. >> they're locked in at a higher price. >> here's the thing. the real reason ticket prices are rising is because -- >> don't tell me baggage fees. >> exactly. is because there's insane amount of demand. the industry put out a stat that said 85% of the seats had been filled this year. that is a record high. so why lower the price when consumers just keep buying your stuff? there's no economic incentive to lower the price. and remember, these airlines have been through tough times. they're going to try to get it while the getting's good. >> i paid four digits for a flight to atlanta recently. it was a family thing and i had to do it. i swallowed hard -- >> don't they know who you are? >> please. >> better treatment. >> chuck schumer, senator schumer, he wants the justice and transportation departments to investigate the fact they're hanging on to the fees and the fuel surcharges, but how likely is an investigation? >> you know, that fuel service charge is very controversial now because the airlines, actually,

instituted that when they said, hey, we don't have as much demand, our businesses are really challenged by the fact that people aren't flying and the fuel costs were high, so they said we're going to charge this surcharge. now, the situation is completely different. they're making money hand over fist, right? profits up by $9 billion this year. >> incredible. >> compared to last year. we're up to about $20 billion in airline profits, so there is less of a justification for them now. so the political case could be made that they need to get rid of those surcharges. which could actually be a big deal for consumers because we're talking about an average surcharge, according to one analyst of $455 for a round trip ticket. that is real money. that is real money. i mean, it's an average, you've got to, you know -- find exactly representative of the whole picture. >> what about this legislation, though, too that some say will allow them totize prices in a misleading way? >> yeah, this is great. so right now, airlines have totize airfares with the taxes

included. >> so we see the real number? >> exactly. and if they don't do it, they could face a fine of up to $30,000 a day for doing it. but here's the thing, they're advocating that they should be able to advertise without including the tax. but all of this could backfire because, think about it, you're online, you want to book a ticket and all of a sudden you think you're getting a good fare and you go to check out and you're banged with a tax. >> couple hundred bucks more. >> i don't understand how that's good for customer service. >> gosh. reality check for all of us. buying all those plane fares. >> take the train. >> take the train. >> i did this weekend, thank you very much. >> much more, i want to take you back to the breaking story to pakistan. taliban militants have climbed the wall, stormed the school, killing dozens and dozens of young children. one terror expert says this is pakistan's 9/11. we'll speak live with a navy s.e.a.l. who says he fired the shots that killed osama bin laden. we'll have a conversation with him about this. stay with me.

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at 6'9", with hundreds of millions of dollars in the bank, kevin duran is already larger than life. but it was in a speech earlier this year that durant went from just another nba player to every mother's favorite player. here is anderson cooper with today's look at extraordinary people. >> it's my honor to be here today to present kevin durant of the oklahoma city thunder with the 2013-'14 kia most valuable player award. congratulations, kevin. >> the only thing i wanted to do was just show love to everybody that helped me get to that point. i think it was important for me to do that for them. that was supposed to be all about me, but i knew it wasn't all me that got there.

it was amazing how people responded to it. >> on may 6th in front of fans, friends and family, kevin durant was awarded the top individual honor in basketball. when the best players in the world focused his acceptance speech outward as he thanked everyone. >> first off, i'd like to thank god for changing my life. >> singled out every teammate. >> i didn't fall in love with it just because it was me playing. i fell in love it because i've got guys like this that push me to be the best player i can be. >> and last, my mom. >> and most of all, touched the hearts of millions when he praised his mom. >> you made us believe. you kept us off the street, put clothes on our backs, food on the table. when you didn't eat, you made sure we ate. you went to sleep hungry. you the real mvp. >> for kevin, acknowledging his

most valuable parent was a no-brainer. >> your moms do so much for you, make it possible for you to do anything you want to do. >> cnn's "extraordinary people" airs tonight, 9:00 eastern. all right. here we go. top of the hour, you're watching cnn, i'm brooke baldwin. want to begin with the horrifying attack today in pakistan. an hour's long siege at a school ended with at least 141 people killed, 132 of them children. suicide attackers scaled the school security walls, roamed through the buildings, fired at random. security forces killed the attackers before it got even worse. if you can even imagine that, pakistani military official says the militants had enough ammunition and supplies to last for days. the pakistani taliban did not

hesitate to claim responsibility for this saying the attack was revenge. for a recent pakistani military pushed a clear militant out of this border region. the white house today responding incredibly harshly. president obama calling the attack on children a sign of depravity. while in london, secretary of state john kerry spoke not just as a diplomat, but as a father. >> mothers and fathers send their kids to school to learn and to be safe. and to dream and to find opportunity. and particularly, at this military school in pakistan, they sent their kids there with the hope and dreams of serving their country. instead, today, they are gone, wiped away by taliban assassins who serve a dark and almost medieval vision. and the opposite of everything that those mothers and fathers wanted for their children. >> here's what we know.