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weapons. it's a bittersweet good-bye to robin williams. "night at the the museum 33-"opens today, the last major movie to feature williams who died. he plays the fatherly and hysterical teddy roosevelt. thanks for joining me today, i'm carol costello. "@this hour with berman and michaela" starts now. hello, everyone, i'm john berman. >> and i'm michaela pereira. we'll begin with breaking news and stunning new developments in cyber attack against sony. this is a cnn exclusive. we have just learned that the hackers, or cyber terrorists if you want to call them that, they contacted the corporate giant overnight and, as part of this contact, they issued a new threat along with strangely a thank you. >> yes, strangely indeed. our senior media correspondent brian stelter is here, he's got that exclusive information. what did they say, brian? >> it's -- i'm sort of bothered by it because it's a victory lap
but these guys. it's exactly what people in hollywood like george clooney are warning should not be happening. that these hackers should not be able to win. what they are saying is if this film is kept offline, kept out of theaters, they will stop attacking sony. they will stop leaking new information that they've found from the company's servers. i think we can put it up on screen and raid it. you'll see it's in the same broken english we've seen the prior messages from. i says "i am the boss of gop" gop is guardians of peace, the group they've been calling themselves. "it's very wise that you have made a decision to cancel the release of the interview. it will be very useful for you." then it goes on to say "we believe you will never be engaged in something dangerous like that. now we want you never let the movie released, distributed or leaked in any form of for instance dvd or piracy. requests 10 they're saying don't release it any way. "and we want everything related to the movie including its trailers as well as its full
version down from any web site hosting them immediately. we still have your private and sensitive data. we ensure the security of your data unless you make additional trouble." we can read between the lines of that. i think we know what they're saying there. they're saying "we're going to hold on to these secrets and we won't share them unless you put this on dvd, unless you put it on netflix, unless you put it on vod." i interpret this as they got what they wanted initially now they're going a step further and saying you better twhiep movie away and even take down the trailers. >> brian, you broke this. this is exclusive to cnn this e-mail sony received overnight. do they tell you they think this is the real deal? >> they do and i'll tell you the reasons why. we wanted to be careful with this before going on air to make sure it is legitimate and why sony believes it's legitimate. it came in at 7:46 local time to sony executives and it was sent to some of the folks we've been talking about all week, amy pascal, michael linton as well as some of the other top
executives. some names i recognize, some i don't. all of them to their sony e-mail addresses. it's in the same format and tone of the prior messages so sony believes it is legitimate. they are also not publicly commenting. they're going refrain from saying anything about this. but we might see comment from other studios or comment from the motion pictures association of america which represents the entire industry. because so far there's been a lot of quiet, a lot of silence from other hollywood studios and i don't think that will last much longer. >> i want to pick up on that point because you reference george clooney. for those that aren't aware, george clooney wrote this open letter, if you will, and tried to get a bunch of people a petition. he tried to get people to support sony. he didn't get any takers. he's hearing the crickets as well. >> this was in between the time on tuesday when that threat came out that invoked 9/11 that warned people not to go to movie theaters and on wednesday when sony decided to cancel. he tried to get other studios, other big-name actors to sign on
this petition and say "we stand with sony, we won't allow these threats to affect our decisions and our freedom of expression in the u.s. "he says there were no takers. >> why? sony caved to these cyber terrorists and george clooney couldn't get another big name actor? what are they worried about? >> i'm going to put the hat on dough n.o.w. of a rival studio executive. one of the thoughts is we don't want to be targeted. we don't want to make ourselves vulnerable. also maybe a little by bit of competitiveness. they were concerned if "the interview" stayed in theaters folks wouldn't see any movies. they might be too concerned o to go to the theater at all. so there's privately a little relief that it won't be coming out. >> the thought is that sony said we wanted to release this, it was the theater companies that
pressured us and said no lawyer lawyers won't stand for it. we'll worried we'll be held liable. >> the sony point of view is they had no choice. they say they had no choice once the theater owners backed out the theater owner point of view is sony told us it was okay to back out, they gave us the go ahead so we took it. so there's a war of words behind the scenes now, they're, mails i would like to see but we won't see because hopefully there won't be more lacking between these different sides of the industry. despite that, i think we will see some sense of unity because there's a growing message from george clooney that hollywood needs to stand up from freedom of expression. we'll probably hear the same thing from the president at his press conference. >> we'll see. so far it's george clooney alone. there are obviously other major implications here. sony capitulated. what will the united states do about it?
what evidence do they have where these threats are coming from? evan perez has been breaking news left and right on this front. he joins us right now. evan, what's the latest? >> well, the plot, if this was a movie, what brian just described we would find this hard to believe because you have sony caving, you have -- this hack has created something of a problem for the obama administration, a national security problem on something that they didn't have v any control over. they have no control over the sony computer system we learned hackers were able to steal credentials of a system administrator to get into the system. this is a very common thing because those guys have the keys to the kingdom. someone told me yesterday that by getting the system administrator's credentials they were able to rome around sony's computer system for months before anyone noticed anything.
before they even stole anything or touched anything. they just tried to basically get the lay of the land before they let their presence be known. >> unbelievable. such an interesting -- i want to turn to investigative correspondent chris frates . there's been a stark rise in the number of cyber attacks against government systems. that's skyrocketing and in addition to some of these corporate breaches we're seeing in the public sector. >> that's exactly right michaela. i looked at cyber attacks against federal agencies and found that that number is just skyrocketing there were 34,000 cyber incidents involving government agencies back in 2010. by last year that number had jumped 35% to 46,000 i'm told that it's happening at a clip we've never seen before. hackers are trying to get inside
the government 24/7, guys. >> and what you guys aren't seeing is that brian and evan are on set trying to break more news on this for the last 24 hours. brian says sony got a new e-mail overnight. what is the government role now? the nsa is watching this, tracing it back. have they responded yet to brian's reporting and what do you expect they will do? >> i've reached out to folks in law enforcement doing this investigation and they haven't gotten back to me. i'm checking my phone because any minute now we're expecting a statement from the fbi that will lay out the attribution of this hack. this is the official statement that the government is going to issue saying that they believe this hack was carried out on orders of north korea so that's what we expect to come from them the nsa has been working around
the clock. the national security division of the justice department is on this. the nsa has good visibility on internet traffic that comes out of north korea the way this hack was done, the hackers tried to mask the servers they were using. they tried to use servers in asia in china, european countries, latin america but there was some fingerprints they left behind that the fbi and the nsa were able to find and track right back to north korea. >> a bread crumb trail. >> right. exactly. and one of the interesting things about this is that they were able to find instances or signals that showed -- that matched other hack that had been attributed to north korea. there were hacks that were done against some south korean companies in the last few months and that's one reason why they have this certainty that north korea was the one that carried this out. >> sony studios' parent company sony based in japan, anything
from japan? any word? any response? any -- >> we haven't heard any. that's actually part of the geopolitical part of this is north korea and japan don't get along. >> they've been having their issues. >> and the japanese have some very -- some sensitivities about -- they have citizens that were kidnapped by north korea so time ago so there's a lot of things going on behind the scenes, the white house wants to make clear that they believe this is a north korean ajack? my understanding is japan never planned to show the movie to begin with. >> most asian markets, that's right. now sony pictures has a decision to make. because these hackers are saying we want even the trailers to be deleted off the internet, we'll see what sony does. >> brian stelter, evan perez, chris frates, thank you for being with us. ahead, north korea cracking goo into sony, shocking washington, but it has happened before, hasn't it? did iran bust into a vegas casino? we have details ahead.
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major questions how hackers or cyber terrorists cracked into a company on u.s. soil. as we all know, sony caved to their demands but this is not the first company that has been targeted. less than a year ago another major american company was hacked and our brian todd has that story. >> reporter: a cascading attack, servers shut down, screens go blank, a rush to unplug computers. this wasn't the hack on sony, this was this attack hit the world's largest casino operation, including the venetian hotel in las vegas ten months ago. and this also may have been the work of a rogue nation. cnn has learned on february 10 of this year thousands of employees at sands casinos in las vegas and bethlehem, pennsylvania, had their computers hit.
one employee says hundreds of people were calling it. iran is suspected to be behind the attack according to reports in bloomberg "businessweek" and "slate." one company believes iran has the capability to do this. >> what the iranians and the north koreans are doing is taking tactics that anonymous has used and these other non-state groups and really bringing this now nation state level to the attacks. >> reporter: the fbi tells cnn the investigation is ongoing. a sands official says gambling operations weren't affected. but the company was rattled. a former sands employee says customers couldn't book rooms online for a couple of weeks. 23 iran is the perpetrator, why would they launch a cyber attack on the casinos? just months before the hack, sheldon adelson, the billionaire ceo of sands suggested hitting iran with a nuclear missile an uninhabited desert to force the country to abandon its nuclear program. >> you want to be wiped out, go ahead and take a tough position and continue with your nuclear
development. >> reporter: iranian officials did not respond to cnn's repeated requests for comments. as chilling as these alleged attacks by iran and north korea are, did the u.s. and israel start the trend with the starbucks net attack that crippled iran's centrifuges? one says that was different. >> this was traditional national security taking down inline with u.n. security council sanctions some of one of the worst regimes on the planet trying to develop some of the world's worst webs. >> reporter: but the sands and sony hacks, experts say, could embolden those regimes to take it one very dangerous step further. >> other sectors such as our finance and banking community and critical infrastructure sectors like power plants and the like that provide life and safety functions for our economy and country could be the potential next target. >> brian todd joins us from washington. i guess one of the concerns is official officials and maybe citizens is what about other critical systems? banking, power grids, et cetera.
are they concerned about those being targeted? >> michaela, u.s. officials have been saying for several months now repeatedly that they are increasingly concerned that u.s. antagonists, hackers in places like china, north korea, iran, elsewhere are exhibiting the capability to hack into the u.s. infrastructure, to hit the power grid, the water supply, other infrastructure. it's a growing concern. u.s. officials have spoiken out repeatedly on this. they think the hacking capability to do this is getting better and better as we go along and it is a real worry. there is a deterrent. a lot of these countries realize if americans start getting actually physically hurt or even killed by a disruption to the power supply or the water supply then it will be retribution so that may be what's keeping them from doing it. but there is that capability. >> of course, brian, the united states and israel reportedly hacked into iran's nuclear program several years ago successfully. the question now is what kind of cyber capabilities does iran
have? is it the same level as north korea has right now? >> john, we're told it's very similar if not at the same level. it may even be better. we're told that iran has been developing its cyber attack capability ever since that stuxnet virus hit them. and they're telling us they have a team of hackers assigned to the government working for the government but also there's a likelihood that the revolutionary guard in iran also outsources, hires freelancers to do its hacking work, not just launch attacks but help them cover their tracks once an attack is launched. >> brian todd for us in washington. thank you so much. so if this attack on sony was launched by north korea and if north korea as brian stelter is reporting continues to issue threats to sony, how will the united states government respond? what are the options on the table? that's next. ♪
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kind of messed it up. >> cyberspace is real. so are the risks that come with it. it's the great irony of our information age. >> cyber security one of the most important -- it's the most important issue, as i've already said. >> the most serious threat to america's security that we're not adequately defended against cyber attack. >> the united states has substantial and growing concerns about the threats to u.s. economic and national security posed by cyber intrusions. >> u.s. leaders and officials there sounding off on the vulnerability of this cyber world we live in. we also have following this breaking news that sony executives last night were reached out to by the hackers that held them hostage, if you will, saying in part they appreciated and were thankful they had followed their directions but wait, that there would be more if they didn't destroy the trailers, if they didn't prevent the movie from being shown or leaked online. so while it was interesting to
hear, from it's very chilling to hear. >> it's a new threat saying don't you dare release this on dvd or anywhere or else we'll leak more damaging information. we're joined by richard marshall, from the cyber security division of the homeland security department. he's on their advisory board of certain safe, a cloud security system developer. richard, we played this sound montage leading into this segment with people who have largely left the jobs they had when they made those statements. is that a way to say those are old statements with people over the last five, ten years saying how important cyber security is, yet we have this massive breach sewn sony. was this preventable? >> a couple points to be made number one, i am no long we are the federal government, i retired three years ago otherwise i couldn't be in this situation where i'm on tent different advisory boards as a cyber advisor. so i wanted to set that correct. back in 1997 there was an
exercise called eligible receiver. that was in 1997. that demonstrated the capability of a country like iran and like korea to attack our critical infrastructures. we learned lessons from that but as we have seen with the cyber attacks and once again with sony it's another wakeup call. what we do with a wakeup call is reset the alarm button and snooze a little little bit more. there are proactive measures that can be taken and let me make in the a very simple explanati explanation. you have a house, you protect it physically, you are anticipate nothing one will get in your house. on the likelihood someone will break in your house and steal your jewels you put them either in a safety deposit box in the bank or in your home. that's what we should do with our digital data. that is critical national needs to be protected and there is technology available today that breaks down the information into
bits, encrypts it and puts in the various safety deposit boxes so to speak, various servers in the cloud. so it minimizes the opportunity, almost neutralizes the opportunity for an adversary to get in at your valuable data. it will protect all of your intellectual properties. >> the question then richard is if you've been talking about it, we've had other people on air who have talked about the fact that this threat has existed since the mid-'90s why haven't we taken the steps? why haven't companies and businesses taken the steps to do that if you say this microencryption exists and we have the technology. >> it ee's relatively simple. and it's not just the united states that has this difficulty. i've spoken in thailand, switzerland, germany, england, china, they all face the same issue and the issue economics.
you use the word "security" they think of guns, gates and guards. it's like owning a yacht, you sink money into it and you get nothing in return. management needs to focus on protecting their digital asset, not view it as security but protecting their digital assets and be willing to spend the money to do that. i bet you money sony would pay a lot of money to reverse this situation today but when you go to boards, aened i'm speaking a lot on senior management if i recollect ls, the focus seems to be economics. it's cheaper to absorb the loss economically than it is to pay to protect the system. and as long as you have that economic dynamic you'll have this issue. >> richard marshall, thank you for being with us. appreciate your expertise on this matter. >> thank you for letting me have the opportunity. >> arguably sony studios will lose a lot of money with this film not airing and not making money from the box office.
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you might remember about six weeks ago the president's party lost a big election in a big way. what has the president done since then? boom, one big action after another. >> a whole lot. not typical actions of lame duck presidents. negotiating with china to address climate change, sheltering millions of undocumented immigrants from deportation through his executive actions and, of course, this week, the break through deal with cuba, normalizing relations with that nation for the first time in over 50 years. again, all done without consulting congress. >> we did learn a short time ago that house speaker john boehner has issued the formal invitation for the president to come to the house chamber to deliver the state of the union address that will be on january 20.
as you can imagine, the white house accepted the invitation. >> right now, the president is getting ready to hold his final news conference of the year before he and his family leave for their christmas vacation. we will, of course, bring those comments to you live next hour right here on cnn. let's talk about some of these resent moves. we have with us today presidential historian douglas brinkley and chief political analyst gloria borger at this hour on friday before many people are taking off for the holidays. it's great to have you both. gloria, specifically, you wrote an interesting op-ed. the title is -- i love this title -- "own sheds clark kent demeanor, tries on superman costume." tell us what you mean. >> okay, first of all, i'm not saying he's superman but i am saying he is trying to soar a little bit. he's trying to fly. everybody assumes okay, lame duck president, can't get anything done, lost control of the congress. and what he's doing is he's
flexing his executive action muscles and he's saying, look, there are things that i can do as president of the united states that i don't need congress for. he's got a list. he's going down it and he's checking it twice as we say at this time of year and it's no secret to anybody, michaela, that this is a president who is frustrated during the last election. he had to stay largely out of in the those red states. he was trying to protect a lot of democrats by not causing controversy. now i think he feels a little unburdened by that and in doing so he's actually setting the agenda for the 2016 election in many ways. >> doug, it's interesting. the white house had said that they had been planning for this interregular numb, this period between the election and january when the new congress comes in. but the execution of this plan has been in some ways more methodical than any period that i can remember in this presidency. if you look back on history, is
there precedent for this? has any administration ever just laid out a series of things like this without congress? >> well, you know, i think gloria is right. there's a bit of a superman act going on here. meaning "i'm freed from congress, i'm going to be the mr. executive." i've never seen anything like it with the number of executive orders and the audacity that the president is showing. some could write a book just about the last six weeks of 2014 and do very well. now, there have always been crowded moments in presidential history but even in -- not even mentioning in the leading into us the president talked about getting the troo ps out of afghanistan by the end of the year. add that into the fray. it's all going on. here he is, the president going for his 17-day vacation having to deal with north korea which could be the beginning of a very serious national security issue and the -- i think biggest thing
outside of killing of osama bin laden in foreign policy is the normalization can of relations with cuba and will he go there in 2015? this will be a fascinating press conference today. >> a lot of people are interested to hear what he these say. i recall in this year -- hard to believe the year is already over, gloria -- the president said this was going to be his year of action. >> here we are. >> the white house will say look, he's on a mission to get things done. on the other side of the aisle, there are folks saying he's overstepping his authorities, gloria. >> sure. and this does play into the republican narrative of the imperial presidency, the overreaching president. and i would have to say that we haven't seen in end of this debate and i do believe that it could go all the try the supreme court and the case of -- in the case of immigration. for example, does the president have the constitutional authority to do what he did? there's also going to be congressional votes on the question of cuba. there are a lot of republicans
who would not vote for what the president wants, lifting sanctions. i think you'd have to say that the odds are against lifting sanctions. will they allow an ambassador to be confirmed to go to havana? that's -- that story remains to be seen. so i think while the president is doing all of this as he said he would, i think it still has to play out in congress to a certain degree. >> gets to the issue of can he keep it up. this is what he's been doing for six weeks now. will the president be so active with a new republican senate? >> i think so. my tomb i've spent with president obama is that he came in hoping to be made an lbj like president having legislative record and he's going out trying to be like theodore roosevelt and fdr just signing executive orders galore. that is president that knows the
e manse waited slaved with an executive order and theodore roosevelt created the grand canyon, national park when the senate didn't want to deal with it or john f. kennedy did the peace corps. you're seeing he's getting traction. in the last two years, particularly in foreign policy, there's great openings for barack obama and i know climate change where a lot of politicians feel it's not that important, the president thinks it's the defining issue of our time. he's invoked in the both his inaugurals and he's starting to build an impressive record of being the global champion on climate. >> and here's what's also interesting heading into 2016. if you look at the way republicans have reacted just, for example to the normalization of relations with cuba. you have rand paul saying "you know what? i think that might be a good idea." and you have marco rubio on the other side saying this is a nightmare, a disaster, this president doesn't know how to negotiate and you'll see that
play out in the republican party boxing republicans in on certain positi positions as they head into 2016. >> and if there's a backlash against the democrats it will come out against somebody like hillary clinton. gloria borger, douglas brinkley, thanks so much. >> i was thinking if only there was a presidential historian that could write the book of the last six weeks, oh, there's one. >> i might do it. i'm intrigued. >> we'd read it. thanks so much. certainly there will be a lot of key and pressing questions for the president today cute. be, immigration, now north korea. again, that news conference from the president 1:30 p.m. eastern. watch it live on cnn. after, he'll sit down with candy crowley for an exclusive interview. you can catch that sunday morning on state of the union. >> one of america's most wanted has taken refuge in cuba for decades so what happens now to this sfwhom will havana send her back? hello... i'm an idaho potato farmer
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she was busted out of prison, she broke out of prison, escaped from the united states, was granted political asylum in cuba so now this burning question is will she be returned? we'll get the story from national correspondent jason carroll. >> we can learn a lot from people. >> reporter: assata shakur is somewhat of a cause celeb in cuba, called on to speak about issues such as equality and human rights. but it wasn't always like this. in fact, she didn't always go by the name assata shakur. >> the addition of joanne chesimard to the fbi's most wanted terrorist list. >> reporter: shakur's given name is joanne chesimard. last year, she became the first woman added to the fbi's most wanted terrorist list, a $2 million reward offered for her capture in connection with the fatal shooting of a new jersey state trooper in 1973. >> while living openly and freely in cuba, she continues to
maintain and promote her terrorist ideology. >> reporter: back in 1973, chesimard was a member of the black panther party. in 1987 chesimard, while a fugitive in cuba, talked about what happened the night she and two of her companions were stopped while driving on the new jersey turnpike. >> we ate, we got back into the car and shortly after we were stopped by the police. >> reporter: she claims things turned violent almost without warning. >> he had a gun in my face and i put my hands out like this. in a matter of seconds i was shot. >> reporter: when the shooting ended, state trooper werner for forster was dead, chesimard charged with his murder. what happened on the new jersey turnpike happened decades ago but one chilling detail is clear to state troopers, according to
the fbi, forster was shot at point blank range with his own gun. a jury found chesimard guilty of murder. she was supposed to serve a life sentence but two years later she was broken out of prison by three armed members of the black liberation army and after hiding out for years finally surfaced in cuba. she was granted asylum by fidel castro. since then, state officials have fought for her extradition. in 1998, new jersey's governor christine todd whitman had this message for chesimard. >> you are holding up the ability of the cuban population to enjoy a better relationship with the united states by your presence in cuba. >> now han historic shift in u.s./cuba relations. could it translate into an extradition agreement? one that you would that would finally force chesimard to u.s. soil to be held accountable for her crime. >> what cuba wants always is to get into a swap situation and
for u.s. officials, that's a very difficult road to go down. >> reporter: over four decades since the shooting, troopers here in new jersey are still waiting for justice. >> a terrific and fascinating story. jason carroll is here with us. what a tale. how likely is it she will face extradition? >> that's the big question and it's increasingly frustrating for officials in new jersey who want her brought back to u.s. soil. it's not looking likely. there were discussions about fugitives when the u.s. was meeting with cuban officials but it is not on the table, at least not yet. >> there is no abtraction, either. this was discussed over these 13 month negotiations back and forth between the united states and cuba. >> and we also have to remember that the cuban government also accuses the u.s. government of harboring cuban exiles who are accused of committing crimes as well and as you tlaerd in the
piece, what you don't want to get into, at least some theorize what you don't want to get into is this back and forth exchange for prisoners. i mean, this is the thing, or exchange for fugitives. this is the thing you may not want to get into. >> as they look at the realities of this shifting policy and normalizing relations, these are things we're going to learn over time. jason, great story, thanks so much for bringing it to us. >> you bet. >> ahead at this hour, president obama's move to thaw relations with cuba heating up talk of him actually visiting that island nation. the question is, should he? people with type 2 diabetes come from all walks of life. if you have high blood sugar, ask your doctor about farxiga. it's a different kind of medicine that works by removing some sugar from your body. along with diet and exercise, farxiga helps lower blood sugar in adults with type 2 diabetes.
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breaking news, a statement just out by the fbi. the fbi announcing that they have traced the cyber terror attack on sony back to north korea. joining us here in studio are justice correspondent evan perez. evan? >> john, the statement from the fbi reads as follows: "the fbi now has enough information to conclude that the north korean government is responsible for these actions." this is the hack against sony pictures. they say that they did some technical analysis of the malware that was used, the software that was used to infect the computer systems at sony and they found that this was malware that the fbi has previously seen
used by the north korean government. they say that, for example, the fbi found encryption algorithms, code, data that was included in the malware code that was telltale signs that it came from north korea. things they've seen before. they say that they tracked all of this traffic that the -- that was used, again, to attack the sony computer systems and it tracked right back to north korea. >> initially when this first happened a lot of voices were saying that it was likely north korea. it has taken time. we have heard that the white house and officials and the government was going to officially name. talk about the significance of that official declaration, that official finger pointing. >> it's very -- it's very unusual to do this so quickly. i mean, we're talking about a hack that happened only a few months ago. the last time we had an incident like this, which is earlier this year, where the u.s. government pointed the finger at the
chinese government. the chinese pla for infecting and stealing commercial secrets from u.s. it took a couple of years. lisa monacco was still managing the national security division saying, china, we know what you are doing and it took a couple years of arguing that position. she was at the white house by the time they finally were able to do that. so this is almost unprecedented, that they are able to say this publicly so soon. >> and it's an official accusation, which means north korea will most likely have to have an official response. here in the united states, there may be political pressure to take action in retaliation for north korea being behind this attack. walk us through again the how. how did they do this? >> well, we've talked to officials who have been following the investigation. that's been done by the fbi.
it's involved the nsa, all of the intelligent agencies have been working on this. and we're told that the way they were able to do this was the hackers stole the credentials of a system administrator, somebody who had the keys to the kingdom at sony pictures, the entire computer system. and in that way they were able to get in there and lurk around really for months before they did anything, before anyone noticed. >> without detection? >> without detection. and then the amount of data that they were able to steal from the computer system is really enormous, which is what they have been releasing out there in the pub electric. >> and so it's affecting people on a very personal level because medical records, social security numbers, compensation amounts, inter-e-mail communications have been leaked and there's a bigger
question about this film, "the interview". >> that's the amazing part of this. you have north korea attacking a private company and in that way you have, you know, the censorship of the american movie industry. we have a couple of movies now that are basically never going to be shown in movie theaters as a result of this action. and the u.s. government had nothing really to do with this and now the obama administration is facing the prospect of having to respond to this when really they had nothing to do, you know, in protecting sony and this wasn't really an attack on the u.s. government. >> when this all began, this was an attack on sony and the release of e-mails, people, places, things like that. now it's evolved into an international incident. >> it has. >> how concerned are they now about how they -- how delicately they have to handle the response? >> it's a big concern because you have to make sure you calibrate your response. you don't want to end up -- you
could overreact to this. this is still about a movie, a seth rogen movie at that. i don't want to make light of that but it's a serious matter. we're talking about censorship of the u.s. movie industry. you don't want to overreact but at the same time, you do have to act. they are going to sanctions the north korean military but won't do anything to escalate this to the point where we could end up in a the shouldishooting war or kbl let's turn to jim sciutto. how is the white house going to respond and what is the appropriate response? >> that's what they are trying to calibrate right now. sanctions are a key step, as evan made mentioned, because there's lots of ways that you can squeeze the north korean government and military by further restricting their access to dollar dominated trade. this is a tactic that is used to great effect, for instance, with regard to iran regarding their
nuclear program and russia and the annexation of crimea and that's something that you can calibrate as well. the nuclear option, excuse the expression, is to cut off all access to dollar denominated trade. that would take a lot of work. and there are a number of measures short of that. you saw something similar with the way the administration ratcheted up sanctions against russia, starting with a few banks and going from there, starting with a few individuals and start going from there. i'm told by u.s. officials -- and evan makes a point that it is fast. it follows a remarkable and very quick work -- piece of detective work by the nsa, fbi, department of homeland security. and as they were doing this, these hackers tried their very best to hide their tracks, by routing this activity through a number of countries. now, as they did that, that
raised a number of theories that investigators had to look through and, in effect, eliminate. there were ties -- for instance, north korean internet traffic goes through china. intentional, to make it look like this may have come from china. so that's an option that investigators had to look at and say, wait a second, is china involved here or did the north koreans route their traffic through there. there are ties to iranian malware or software. was iran involved or was that just a tool used to cover the tracks of the north korean hackers? the conclusion, the fbi saying today, despite all of those attempts to pull the wool over our eyes, in effect, it's the north korean government. it's really a remarkable, comprehensive and really fast piece of cyberdetective work but by the u.s. here. >> again, the breaking news, was north korea behind this cyberterror attack on sony pictures over the release of the
film "the interview." this attack happened weeks ago and brian stelter is here with new information that sony has been contacted it again by these cyberterrorists overnight. >> that's right. last night. an e-mail was sent to a couple of executives to their corporate e-mail addresses. those e-mail accounts were crippled a few weeks ago. they are now back up. i spoke to one of the recipients of the e-mail. they did not want to open it. obviously someone did open it and i was able to obtain it. sony is not commenting on it and i got a text message back from the spokesman. they are not commenting on the fbi statement at the moment either. >> again, the fbi has issued a very firm response that they are pointing the fingers solely at north korea for being the parties responsible for this cyberhack, the act of cyberterrorism, if you want to
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i'm deborah feyerick in for ashleigh banfield. welcome to "legal view." we continue our breaking news at this hour. the fbi has officially named north korea as the sony hacker. we're learning that the hackers sent a new message to sony executives last night saying their decision to cancel the christmas d-day release of "the interview" is, quote, very wise. the hackers are demanding that the movie never be released in any shape or form. i want to bring in justice reporter evan perez, senior media correspondent, brian stelter, host of "reliable sources" as well as cnn's "money," laurie siegel. this had to be done with not only the fbi but looking at the data and determining by not just human intelligence but signal intelligence. what is the fbi saying? >> that's right, deborah. this has been an