of an american giant. legendary former new york governor mario cuomo, the father of our dear friend and colleague chris cuomo has died at the age of 82. a beacon in the democratic party. mr. cuomo died last night just hours after his son, andrew was sworn in to a second term as new york governor. >> what a life his parents came from italy with no money. they could not read or speak english. ran a grocery store. mario, you can see him right there, he was an athlete. he played minor league baseball. but it wasn't his physical strength it was his words and how he spoke them that electrified democrats. the keynote at the 1984 democratic national convention. remembered by many as one of the most powerful speeches of a generation. he liked to say you campaign in poetry you govern in prose. he knew how to do both. >> tributes are pouring in from all sides of the political world.
former president bill clinton calling his life a blessing. new jersey governor chris christie calling him a giant. a truly american great. simply it was the american dream. the son of italian immigrants mario cuomo rose from the basement of this grocery store in south jamaica, queens where he slept on the floor and spoke no english to the highest office in new york state. along the way, creating a political legacy and dynasty that spanned generations. his life driven by a passion for learning his catholic faith and a determination to simply work harder than the other guy. >> one of the simple things i wanted to achieve is i want to be governor i want to be the hardest working there ever was. >> after more than a decade of the full-contact politics of new york -- cuomo cal putted to national prominence were the keynote address of the 1984 democratic national convention.
>> we thank you for the great privilege of being able to address this convention. >> he challenged head-on ronald reagan's notion of a shining city on a little instead calling america a tale of two cities. >> we must get the american public to look past the glitter, beyond the showmanship, to the reality, the hard substance of things and we'll do it not so much with speeches that sound good. as with speeches that are good and sound. >> it cemented him as one of his generation's greatest orators, a defender of the have-notes and little guys. it made him the choice of many democratic leaders to run for president. >> he said will you think about it? i said i have been thinking about it. >> but are you going to think about it any more? >> he was considered a favorite for the democratic nomination in both 1988 and 1992. but in both cases, he demurred his seeming inability to decide on higher office frustrated democratic party faithful and
become something of a punchline in itself. >> mario cuomo, nobody knows what he's going to do. i don't know if you've seen this public service ad he says a mind is a terrible thing to make up. >> he said it wasn't indecisiveness it was his commitment to the state. >> it has nothing to do with my chances. it has everything to do with my job as governor i don't see that i can do both therefore i will not pursue the presidency. >> he said it was the same commitment that led him to pass on a nomination to the supreme court. deciding to run for a fourth term as governor. but 12 years was enough for new york. he was defeated by george pataki in the republican revolution of 1994. cuomo returned to the private sector to restart his law practice host a radio show and become a prolific author and public speaker. in 2010 came a brand new title, former or first governor cuomo. a word he would be forced to use
because he was suddenly no longer the only one. in a bittersweet irony, his eldest son, andrew the current governor of new york was sworn in to a second term just hours before his father's death. >> he couldn't be here physically today, my father. but my father is in this room. he's in the heart and mind of every person who is here. he's here and he's here. and his inspiration and his legacy and his experience is what has brought this state to this point. so let's give him a round of applause. >> governor mario cuomo, a true american giant, was 82. he is survived by his wife of more than 60 years, matilda rafa cuomo, his five children including our cnn "new day" anchor chris, and 14 grandchildren. the constant of his life always
faith and family. >> what a life. what a loss. we want to talk more now about the legacy of governor mario cuomo. joining us is ron brownstein cnn senior political analyst and editorial director of the "national journal," ron, thanks so much for being with us this morning. ron, it's almost hard for people to remember at this point, but for about an eight-year period if you're talking 1984-1992, governor mario cuomo was the towering figure of the democratic party. the biggest figure in the democratic party and arguably the soul of that party. >> certainly in the liberal wing. first of all it's obviously a very sad moment not only for the the family but for the many people that admire governor cuomo. i send my condolences to all of them. you're right, you have to remember when mario cuomo emerged. he emerged when democratic confidence was at a low ebb during the high point of the reagan era. his speech in 1984 at convention
came as ronald reagan was on his way to the greatest landslide in american politics and governor cuomo offered the liberal wing of the democratic party hope on two fronts. both that traditional liberalism could still be packaged as an agenda that most americans would support. and that democrats could compete with the awesome communication skills of governor reagan. now on the first point, ultimately i think the governor cuomo's side of the argument lost out to the one that bill clinton represented. but no doubt in the 1980s, he was a central figure a beacon of hope for democrats who had grown lost confidence in the party's ability to compete at the national level at that point. >> you talked about the 1984 convention speech. you talked about the soaring oratory. let's play a little of that. i remember ron, i'm a little younger than you, i remember watching this on the floor of my father's house, looking at the room that was electrified in san francisco with the lights dimmed at the words of mario cuomo. so let's listen.
>> that struggle to live with dignity, is the real story of the shining city. and it's a story, ladies and gentlemen, that i didn't read in a book or learn in a classroom, i saw it and lived it like many of you. i watched a small man with thick callouses on both his hands, work 15 and 16 hours a day. i saw him once literally bleed from the bottoms of his feet. a man who came here uneducated. alone. unable to speak the language, who taught me all i needed to know about faith and hard work. by the simple eloquence of his example. i learned about our kind of democracy from my father and i learned about our obligation to each other from him and my mother they asked only for a chance to work and to make the world better for their children. >> this was his wheelhouse ron. these were the subjects that he wanted to talk about. people working to become something in america. >> you know governor cuomo not only articulated the core
democratic beliefs of kind of the new deal era for franklin roosevelt to hubert humphrey. but he embodied them. i think the great paradox about mario cuomo, reflected in his refusal to move on to the big glittering national stage was on the one hand he was ununbelievably articulate and eloquent in articulating universal principles that democrats could rally around in terms of politics and morality and the role of government. but in his own preferences and life he always felt most comfortable in the particular. in the neighborhood with the kinds of families that he had not only represented, but had grown up around. and that was what he felt most comfortable making a difference and he stayed locally rooted even as he articulated these broad sweeping principles he's kind of the original exemplar of think globally but act locally. and that was where he seemed to be most comfortable, always to me. >> there wasn't some national
plan or a global agenda he was pushing, he was talking about people in their neighborhoods and their homes. i think it's been a parlor game ron, among political reporters and people in the political world for years. what would have happened what would have happened had mario cuomo won in 1988 or 1992? could he have won the nomination? what would have happened to our political history right now? would bill clinton even have existed? >> right, well bill clinton, i certainly covered that campaign very closely. i covered mario cuomo, i covered bill clinton. the clinton campaign certainly expected their principal opponent in 1992 was going to be mario cuomo as the voice of traditional liberal beliefs and traditional liberal constituencies that they felt would be the counter-point of bill clinton's new democrat. there's no question that over the next 20 years the party flow more in the direction of bill clinton's vision than mario cuomo's vision but in 1992 it's not clear at all that bill
clinton would have won. the balance of power might still have tilted to mario cuomo's side and history would have been very different. but in the long run, clinton had a clearer sense of where the party and the country was going. no doubt that mario cuomo had such a powerful hold on democrats that he might have actually won the race in 1992 in the primary at least. >> quickly in '92 the democratic party diverged from mario cuomo. in 1994 new york did, after 12 years in office voted him out. more than 12 years too long in new york ron? >> i think a lot, part of it was that. but the bigger thing was 1994 was one of the best years for republicans in the modern history. the republican revolution when they swept the congress the senate. and it was an early indication really of how much politics was becoming nationalized. mario cuomo was swept out by a national wave in addition to the fact that he had been there for 12 years. but look he was an important figure you know you go back to american history.
there are people like daniel webster, robert taft in the 20th century, who never were elected president, but absolute leaders of their party for long periods, and mario cuomo stands in that lineage. >> moves in the discussion without ever being a candidate for president, ron brownstein great to have you with us. we speak to former new york governor tom kean and representative peter king and governor david patterson. we're going to turn now to the latest developments in the search for airasia flight 8501. officials overnight have narrowed their search parameters that still leaves a vast amount of sea to search however. malaysia's top navy chief tweeted out this map, calling this the most probable area where the wreckage is likely located. there's more focused area roughly 2,000 square miles, keep in mind that's almost half the size of the state of connecticut. three ships armed with sonar
equipment and a locator are set to aid in the search with the "uss fort worth" en route. in the meantime 22 bodies have been recovered in and the solemn task of burying the dead has begun. the first crash victim has been laid to rest. three other deceased have now been identified. the weather, however, continues to be a major hurdle in the ongoing search for the plane and for more victims. we have complete complete coverage for you, let's get to gary tuchman, live on the ground in indonesia. gary? >> hello to you, michaela 22 bodies have been recovered. it means 140 bodies have not. many of the relatives of the people still missing are in this tent behind me. this is a tent that's been set up for the families here at the local police headquarters. a short time ago, about 20 minutes ago, the ceo of airasia tony fernandes, walked into the tent meeting with family members and said he pledges to
escort one of the four people identified a 22-year-old woman who lives in sumatra, indonesia, west of here and he says he will escort her home. the weather frankly continues to stink as the search goes on. breaking overnight -- malaysian officials aiding in the search tells cnn this is the most probable location of airasia flight 8501. an area just over 2,000 square miles. keeping a close eye on the weather that has hampered the effort for days, crews have yet to discover the crucial blask boxes needed to solve the mystery of the crash and the clock is ticking in the race to find them. the battery powered acoustic pingers, used to locate the black boxes have 24 days until they expire. at least three ships using underwater pinger devices are set to comb the area and indonesian authorities have identified the bodies of three more victims, bringing the total number of people identified to four. the journey back home to the
first identified victim of the crash came thursday the body of a woman, a teacher, was laid to rest in a tearful ceremony. her grieving family struggling to cope as her body was lowered into the ground. in the early morning hours of the coast of indonesia, search teams making another painful trip back to shore. carrying the remains of more victims from the airasia flight and pieces of debris from the wreckage. also aiding in the search the american "uss sampson" recovering two bodies from the java sea yesterday. at the hospital in surabaya the race to identify other victims is of most importance for relatives. it is here where they will undergo autopsies before heading back do their families. michaela the weather is supposed to improve this weekend, but it's never a guarantee this time of year in this region. this is monsoon season. michaela? >> gary thank you so much. we want to talk about these conditions the high winds, the rough seas how long are those conditions going to last? is there a little bit of
respite, chad? >> i believe there is michaela. i believe sunday will be a great day for searching. i think the water is going to calm down we're not going to see white caps this will be the first time since this ship this plane went missing, this is the first time we actually get a good day from start to finish because it gets good as soon as the sunsets and that's no help. because you want the daylight hours. so here's where we are now, we're getting the sunset by tomorrow morning, the rain is back. then it goes away for the nighttime hours, for the next morning, rain is back. one thing after another and it's gone this way for the entire time. one thing that has not left even when the rain goes away the wind does not go away. the winds have been blowing at 20-30 miles per hour the entire time. we finally see by friday cooling off a little bit, slowing down a little. by saturday and on sunday not as much wind in the forecast. and some of the wind completely gone. winds probably 10 miles per hour that's great. guys back to you. all right, chad and gary thanks so much for that we'll have more on the search for
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welcome back there is a new focus in the search for flight 8501. teams have established what they're calling a most probable area. an area of just over 2,000 square miles, where they believe the plane likely went down. the airasia ceo has met with victims' families this morning. more bodies are being recovered. the official count now stands at 22 bodies recovered. let's bring in mary sciavo cnn aviation analyst and former inspector general for the u.s. department of transportation.
she represents families and victims after plane crashes and david soucie is here with us cnn safety analyst, former faa safety inspector and author of "flight 370: why it disappeared and why it's ohm a matter of time before it happens again." let's tick through the developments and headlines overnight. we know mary, let's talk about the search area. the more probable area that they're talking about. it sounds more focused. but it is still 2,000 square miles. >> it is it's a large area. but, with each additional piece of wreckage and with human remains they can narrow in more and more by using the drift patterns and calculating back where the plane went in. and with the reports of the climb rate and the descent rate they can also pretty much calculate that the plane went straight down. so while it's a big area, it's certainly more focused. >> great technology being used and put into service right now. three ships reportedly they're using side-scan sonar, which you've told us about quite a
lot, david. they're towing the underwater pinger locator to comb the area. that's a huge advantage now. again shallower water. and this more focused search area. >> if you remember the underwater locator beacon that we talked about on mh370, because the water was much deeper we had to go with the side-scan sonar, it had to be drug way down in the bottom of the ocean. meaning there's a long cable, as long as five miles hanging behind that ship. in this case, we're only talking less than a mile. what that helps is when they do the search pattern going back and forth. don't have to wait to get all the way out and back. this is going to be a much speedier search we're going to find this thing much quicker. >> and the pings, time is of the essence. we're not panicking yet because the battery life about 30 days we're about a week in. just shy of a week. >> yes, and the difference here is we knew where the aircraft was to start with. close to where the aircraft was to start. so that helped the search quite a bit. >> mary, one of the biggest concerns and troubles right now is the fact that the weather is
just not cooperating. chad tells us though it looks as though it's going to let up in the next couple of days. it sort of typical for this time of year. it is a big challenge when you've got bad weather in an already-sort of challenging search zone to begin with. >> well and compounding that is with the number of bodies being found in the ocean, increasing it's clear that the plane was broken apart. and the weather is dissipating those human remains, so the primary focus, the first goal is of course to recover all those bodies in the seas being what they are, is really dissipating all of those, the remains and the recovery of the remains across the ocean. that's very difficult. i'm not worried about the black boxes being september away in the storms but the bodies. >> i was thinking as the first victim, the flight attendant has been identified and another victim was laid to rest, a school teacher. i was thinking about what an incredibly difficult and
protracted grieving process this is for the familiar list. it's not just learning of losing your loved one, but in a horrific crash. but also waiting in those hours to find information. such a horrific and agonizing time for them. >> it is. and it's so so difficult. because of the sudden and violent way in which their loved ones are lost. and many of the families have told me over the years, it's not like our family member had been sick. it's not like we had a chance to mentally prepare. and then to wait for the recovery and of course the whole world watching with you and every time they look at a paper or turn on the news they have to wait and worry and wonder. it's unbelievably difficult. >> agonizing, david i was thinking i'm sure i'm not the first one to think about this. as we watch this the investigation, the search all of it happening now. and happening sort of we keep talking about, i hate to say it but almost like a textbook fashion. is there anything that we can learn, glean or could investigate or as searchers,
learn and help us relook at mh370? is there anything to be learned there? >> well in order to learn we have to actually take action. and i think that's the missing part here. we learned things from air france 447. we learned things from 370. although we still haven't found the aircraft. and we will learn things from this about not only 370, and the way we operate. but things about our infrastructure itself. is that working? there's going to be a lot of questions. the international civil aviation organization is revisiting the chicago convention this year. so when that happens, we'll be looking at all kinds of things as far as the infrastructure. can we react in time? is it is the organization is the whole system too big to react? >> well let's hope we don't just revisit, but some substantive changes are made. mary sciavo david soucie thanks so much. we'll have more on the search for the missing flight 8501 throughout the morning, the
plane i should say. the search zone now narrowed but by no means is it small. we'll take live to indonesia. and our new day family and the political world mourning the loss this morning of a legend former new york governor mario cuomo has passed away. we'll look back at his life and enduring legacy. (vo) nourished. rescued. protected. given new hope. during the subaru "share the love" event, subaru owners feel it, too. because when you take home a new subaru we donate 250 dollars to helping those in need. we'll have given 50 million dollars over seven years. love. it's what makes a subaru a subaru. alright, so this tylenol arthritis lasts 8 hours but aleve can last 12 hours. and aleve is proven to work better on pain than tylenol arthritis. so why am i still thinking about this?
welcome back we're following breaking news new yorkers and the political world mourning the loss of a giant. legendary three-term new york governor mario cuomo passing away thursday at the aiming of 82. his family saying he died from natural causes due to heart failure. the loss happening just hours after his son, andrew was inaugurated for his second term as new york governor. mario cuomo was the father of our "new day" anchor colleague and friend chris cuomo and our thoughts are with the entire cuomo family this morning. officials are stepping up their search for airasia flight 8501. ships set to scour the java sea with pinger locators looking for signs of the plane, three weeks before the batteries
expire. another u.s. ship now heading for the search area being focused on a 20,000 square-mile zone deemed where the plane most likely went down. for the latest we go to gary tuchman on the ground in indonesia. >> here's what we know the search is going painfully slow 22 bodies have been recovered. but there are still 140 people to find. the weather has been terrible. it stopped divers from going into the body. the divers presumably could find the wreckage if they go under, because the water is no more than 110 or 120 feet deep and perhaps find many of the bodies which could still be strapped to seats on the bottom. the battery power for the pingers on the two boxes are only made to last for 30 days it's been six days that means there's only 24 days left to recover those black boxes or they won't have pingers to help find them. finally, behind me the family tent that's been built here at the headquarters of the police department here in town has
been built here because right next to the police headquarters is the hospital where the bodies are being brought to be identified. a short time ago, the ceo of airasia tony ferna in everyone des went into the tent to talk to the family members. he'll escort the body of the flight attendant home to sumatra. indonesia this morning for us. a bizarre story out of west virginia two suspects arrested after one of them shot at police officers during a traffic stop. before two dead bodies were found in one of the cars. the officers had pulled over a stolen suv. when the driver of a pick-up truck pulled up next to the officers and started shooting. one of the officers returned fire the suspect in the pick-up truck was wounded. and arrested. a short time later, the other suspect surrendered. now after all this chaos, police found two recently deceased bodies hidden under a mattress in the pick-up truck. the two suspects are believed to be father and son. both cops were wounded. but are expected to be okay.
syrian and kurdish forces getting the upper hand on isis in kobani. activists say kurds have seized about 70% of the border city helped by airstrikes by the u.s. an and it's allies. an incredibly important spot there, it sits right there on the turkish border. you know what yesterday was? it was awesome. there was a lot of great college football. >> you ate snacks and watched football? >> first-ever college football playoff games on new year's day, they were really really good. andy scholes has more from new orleans in the "bleacher report." >> good morning, guys you're right, john that's why fans have wanted a playoff for so long. the games, they were awesome. like you said. but unfortunately, at the rose bowl some tasteless off-the-field actions are making headlines this morning. after ending florida state's 29-game winning streak some of oregon players were caught on tape mocking the seminoles'
tomahawk chop. take a listen. >> now they seem to be referencing jameis winston's sexual assault allegations, which he was never charged for. in a statement oregon said this was unacceptable and the players will be disciplined. now those actions came after the majority of florida state's players did not shake hands with the ducks after the game. they were clearly frustrated after having just an epic meltdown in the second half. florida state turned the ball over five times, including a jameis winston fumble that rivalled mark sanchez' infamous butt fumble when he played for the jets. oregon scored on that play and cruised to a 59-20 win. >> no one likes to lose man. i mean that's losing is really not in my vocabulary to be honest with you. but we fell short, we fell short today. >> it's an incredible feeling.
you know you prepare all week and to find success and to be able to execute the way that we did. it definitely feels good. and hopefully we can take a little bit of this momentum heading into the next game. >> meanwhile, at the sugar bowl here in new orleans, it was a nail-biter. after falling behind early, ohio state, their third-string quarterback, cardale jones led the buckeyes on a 28-0 run, they were able to hold off a late charge by alabama to pull off an amazing upset, 42-35. and this why we have the playoffs, guys because it wouldn't have been ohio state versus oregon. if it was the old bcs system. those two are going to meet january 12th in arlington, texas for the first-ever college football playoff championship. >> all right. andy thank you so much. we appreciate it. ahead, the search for flight 8501 the area has been narrowed down but still quite a daunting
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officials have narrow down the search for the wreckage of airasia flight 8501. no small task though it's still about a 2,000 square-mile area. roughly the size of delaware. crews are scrambling to find the critical black boxes, have 25 days of power left we're told. the rough weather is making things very very difficult. they could hamper the search until at least sunday with high winds and waves posing big challenges for the search. joining us to discuss this are david galllo cnn analyst and
director of special projects for woods hole. and les haba in contributing editor for "flying" magazine. david gallo, the weather getting in the way of the search. the high waves and winds really making things very difficult. >> sometimes you know you have to shut down operations and it's bad for the teams that want to get into a rhythm of working day and night to get this done. i know they're feeling the pressures to do it also for the families what a horrific thing to have to go through. sometimes the best planned expeditions, you have to stop everything. for the sake of safety and for being able to work properly. >> do you still see progress though here as they close and make the search area smaller and small centre they do have the tow pinger locater in the water? >> it's gotten smaller over time. it's about half of what we had to look for for air france 447
that was 5,000 square miles. for the tpl, the tow pinger locater, that's an awful lot of commercial traffic in the area and i'm assuming the team knows enough to be able to clear some of that out so they can listen appropriately. >> what you're saying is despite the fact that we say these are shallow waters easier to search for flight 370. there are reefs there. they're their own challenges in the search. >> many the surface noise, sometimes deep water, one of the few advantages is you can get below the wind and the waves. in this case you probably just can't. there's going to be constant wave motion back and forth and up and down and you've got the issue of visibility which is probably low as well. so all of those things make it a lot tougher in this case. >> les, i want to talk about some debris that they have recovered so far. you have the emergency exit door. you have pieces of scrap metal and now you have 22 bodies at this point recovered. anything you can tell by what has emerged so far in where they found it into what might have
happened? >> it's obvious the airplane broke apart, otherwise we wouldn't be having people attached to rows. how it broke apart is another story. it sounds to me like it might have broke apart on impact. that would be my first speculative answer. it would be interesting to know and i'm sure the team is looking at where the folks were found. and that's very important. because that would define perhaps you know how the fuselage separated, if it did indeed break apart. >> so another aviation question i want to ask you here les. which is we're learning there with a a two-minute delay between the times that the pilots asked the captain asked to raise the altitude in that flight 8501 to go above 32,000 feet. a two-minute delay before they asked permission and air traffic control responded. is two minutes a long time? >> it really isn't. air traffic control has various sectors that they have to control in various airplanes, they got airplanes going opposite direction, crossing perhaps. so to grant that request may
take some time. it's not unusual unless and i'd like to hear what the inflection of the voice of the transmission of the captain was, if he sounded like it was an urgent request, he might have got to it a little bit quicker. of course declared a mayday which is an emergency, then they would have got to it a lot quicker. >> they didn't as far as we know. if are you the captain or the pilot or the co-pilot on this airplane and you don't get a response within a minute or two minutes and you're waiting -- do you have to wait? or are you compelled to do nothing? until you hear back? or can you -- >> it's subjective. if you hear that the controllers constantly busy and there's a patter going on with other aircraft you know the man's busy. so you can wait as long as as a minute. even checking in with another sector's frequency very often we have to wait and for the controller to respond. >> we now have confirmed that 30 bodies 30 bodies have been recovered from the sea so far, david.
i don't sense any urgency from you or david soucie who is on accident investigations before over time running out. on these black boxes. we have about 25 days left to the batteries, there doesn't seem to be fear that time will be a problem here ultimately. am i reading that incorrectly, david? >> not, i think we're cautiously optimistic. there's two things going on. one is the humanitarian effort to get the bodies out of the water and that's absolutely positively urgent. and i'm starting to feel that for the teams involved. that you know time is passing quickly and for the families especially. for the forensic study, we still have a lot of time for the black boxes and i think if the weather can break this weekend they'll make a lot of progress very quickly, i hope. >> and not to mention the fact while the pings are always crucial, they could very well find large pieces of wreckage here which could contain the boxes themselves correct? >> right. i'm hoping so. and again, we'll have to wait and see. but if all goes well they should be able to zero in on it fairly quickly in a day or two.
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there's still so much we don't know about what brought flight 8501. and much will remain a mystery until this is found, the black box needs to be recovered from the java sea. what does it look like? what does it look like below the orange exterior and what information can we learn from it? david soucie is here to walk us through the mysteries and the facts held inside this box and how it can help. first of all, six days this plane went down six days ago. we have 24 more days of pinging from this before before the pinging runs out. >> right, the pinging actually doesn't come from this box. there's an external underwater locator beacon which mounts on
this thing, that's the part we talked about, the 30 days 90-day battery. >> the data is in here this can survive a crash, impact water, fire everything. >> everything. everything that's where this goes there's some support equipment that goes in here. this particular model is not the one that's on that aircraft. but this is the one, this is a model previous to it. >> this is all information, the voice data is separate. that's some place else. >> this is the flight data recorder. and the flight data recorder keeps track of any movement on the aircraft. it doesn't mat fer it's the movement it also keeps track of the vibrations. ones that we couldn't hear as human beings the starter generator or the generator itself was putting out a wrong frequency. it had failed the run of the bearings or something this failed it would pick that up. >> all the information is here and what does it look like? >> this is similar to what the
one would look like here. and the challenge with this type of technology and this is prior to what we have now, with this technology when there's saltwater on here and you bring it up out of the water, it can cause damage to these components it can cause damaging currents. >> so a diver couldn't go down grab the handle and yank it up? >> no. >> what's the process? >> the first process is finding it and there's a little bit of a misconception. the underwater locator beacon is to narrow down where the box is once it's in the water. we've seussed it more now to even locate the wreckage. typically the wreckage is found, and this is to find it within the wreckage. the first thing is to free it from where it's attached. and what it's mangled inside of. so that's step one. steep steppe two is to take it out and put it into a container. if it's if it's a deep deep water search retrieval, it has to be put into a pressurized
container to maintain the pressure. nothing dramatic can change on this. if it changes quickly, you risk losing the data. >> so a whole process to make sure that the thing comes up very carefully. with the same amount of pressure. with presumably in saltwater as well. and then tough figure how to dry it out and retrieve the data. >> we've retrieved them from nonsaltwater from regular water in a lake. it's a very similar process. but the saltwater is particularly corrosive, we have to be very careful with that. >> when you crack this open who analyzes what's on there? there must be -- you can't just open it up and know what happened. it has to be very painstakingly reviewed? >> very much so. this model was more difficult even than the newer models the newer models are much like plugging in a usb-type arrangement into your computer. and retracting the data from it. it's the procedure of getting it there that's the most difficult. >> there's so many intricate circuits inside the box. how, i just can't believe that nothing could be destroyed after
falling from 38,000 feet falling into the ocean, whatever happened to the plane after that. >> inside of this and inside the one that's on 8501 there's silicone there's protections, there's shock absorbing and it's mounted in the rear of the aircraft. so all of the energy the whole 150,000 pounds of aircraft that's traveling as much as 500 or 600 miles per hour during impact absorbs the energy and the crumpling is literally a shock absorber so by the time it gets there, it's less damaged. >> is it your sense that we're going to find this for this flight? >> for this flight absolutely. there's no question in my mind we're going to find it. whether or not the underwater locator beacons are working or not, we're going to find this thing. >> what's the most important thing the black box will tell us that happened to this flight? >> one of the first things you want to find out, was there an in-flight break-up? the other thing that's most critical, we can look at how
this happen i think we have a graphic of this information here. what the important thing that this keeps track of is the input of a control and the response of the control. what we're looking for there is any discrepancy between he tried to go forward or he tried to go back and it didn't move the control. that would indicate that there is a mechanical problem on board the aircraft. if they follow as expected if it's going exactly where it is then we start looking at external factors, whether it was weather, whether it was the pilot's decision-making or if the pilot made a decision based on what he thought he saw, this will tell us what he saw as well. >> we'll also get not from this box, but from a different one closer to the cockpit, we'll get what they were saying for the last two hours about the flight. >> correct, the cockpit voice recorder records that and other sounds within the cockpit. >> we'll be able to hear clicks and wheezes and alarms. >> exactly, all of that. and most importantly, the two together paint the picture. you have the data here and you have the decision-making and the communication on the other box. and when you lay those together
you can see exactly what was said. when the pilot says -- we're in the takeoff and go round mode of flight or we've turned this down or turned that down it validates the information we have here. and more importantly, it gives you a view of what the pilot was thinking at the time. or what kind of communication was going on between the two pilots at the time. to follow their logic and see what happened. that's where we get the real benefit of doing this. we learn, we learn how -- >> even if they're fighting to save the aircraft and not really talking you'll be able to hear what they're doing in the cockpit. >> absolutely. >> david soucie former faa safety inspector. thank you for watching us through the black box, which is orange but it is known as the black box because it is so important in the investigation. we're following a lot of news this morning, let's get to it. >> peace is better than war, because life is better than death. >> his inspiration and his legacy is what has brought this state to this point.
>> people and the passion of belief are still more important than money. >> believed in the power of individuals to achieve. >> with no one like him. he could have been the president of the united states. he was that great. >> the first funeral for a victim of the crash of flight 8501. >> the weather unfortunately not looking good for the next two or three days. praying has given way to despair. >> until we get the data recorder and the voice recorder we're still somewhat in the dark. good morning, welcome to "new day," i'm michaela pereira, john berman is alongside me and christine romans is here. we begin with a a loss one that hits so very close to home for us here at "new day," the passing of an american giant. legendary former new york governor mario cuomo, the father of our dear colleague, chris cuomo, has died at the age of 82. an icon in american politics a
beacon within the democratic party. he died last night after hours, just hours after his son, andrew was sworn in to his second term as new york governor. >> what an incredible life. his parents came from italy, they had no money, they couldn't read or speak english. they ran a grocery store. mario cuomo was a terrific athlete. he even played minor league baseball his career ended after he was beaned. but it wasn't his physical strength it was his words and how he spoke them that electrified democrats. the keynote at the 1984 democratic national convention remembered by many as one of the most powerful speeches of a generation. he liked to say, you campaign in poetry you govern in prose. and he sure knew how to do both. tributes are pouring in all sides of the political world. former president bill clinton calling cuomo's life a blessing. new jersey governor chris christie a republican calls cuomo, a giant. they're among the millions of americans this morning remembering a true american great.
>> simply it was the american dream. the son of italian immigrants mario cuomo rose from the basement of this grocery store in south jamaica, queens where he slept on the floor and spoke no english, to the highest office in new york state. along the way, creating a political legacy and dynasty that spanned generations, his life driven by a passion for learning his catholic faith and a determination to simply work harder than the other guy. >> one of the simple things i wanted to achieve is i want to be governor i want to be the hardest working there ever was. >> after more than a decade of the full-contact politics of new york -- cuomo catapulted to national prominence with the keynote address at the 1984 democratic national convention. >> we thank you for the great privilege of being able to address this convention. >> he challenged head-on, ronald reagan's notion of a shining city on a hill.
instead, calling america a tale of two cities. >> we must get the american public to look past the glitter, beyond the showmanship. to the reality, the hard substance of things. and we'll do it not so much with speeches that sound good. as with speeches that are good and sound. >> it cemented him as one of his generation's greatest orators, a defender of the have-notes and the little guys. it made him the choice of many democratic leaders to run for president. >> he said will you think about it. i said i have been thinking about it. >> are you going to think about it any more? >> he was considered a favorite for the democratic nomination in both 1988 and 1992. but in both cases, he demured, his seeming inability to decide on higher office frustrated democratic party faithful and became something of a punchline in itself. >> and mario cuomo, no one knows what he's going to do -- that's i know if you've seen his new public service commercial for new york city. it says a mind is a terrible
thing to make up. >> he said it wasn't indecisiveness that kept him in new york instead of washington it was his commitment to the state. >> it has nothing do do with my chances, it has everything to do with my job as governor. and i don't see that i can do both. therefore, i will not pursue the presidency. >> he said it was that same commitment that led him to pass on a nomination to the supreme court. deciding instead to run for a fourth term as governor. but 12 years was enough for new york. he was defeated by george pataki in the republican revolution of 1994. cuomo returned to the private sector to restart his law practice host a radio show and become a prolific author and public speaker. in 2010 came a brand new title -- former or first governor cuomo. a word he would be forced to use, because he was suddenly no longer the only one. >> ladies and gentlemen, the cuomo family! >> in a bittersweet irony, his
eldest son, andrew the current governor of new york was sworn into a second term hours before his father's death. >> he couldn't be here physically today, my father. but my father is in this room. he's in the heart and mind of every person who is here. he's here and he's here. and his inspiration and his legacy and his experience is what has brought this state to this point. so let's give him a round of applause. >> governor mario cuomo, a true american giant, was 82. he is survived by his wife of more than 60 years, matilda rotha cuomo, his five children including our cnn "new day" anchor chris, and 14 grandchildren. the constants of his life always faith and family. >> what a wonderful picture that is. >> i love that picture. >> it is so interesting how the three of them the two sons
sound so much like their father. >> they do. >> we've seen their mannerisms they very much are like their dad. >> i feel like i've been lectured by mario cuomo, sitting a tht desk. joining us by phone is former new jersey governor kean. thanks so much for being with us. >> happy to be here. >> you of course are a republican. and served as the republican governor of new jersey for two terms. but you were a tri-state governor along with mario cuomo. what are your impressions of this man? >> well he was unique political figure. of all the people i knew in government of politics i think i admired him more and probably enjoyed his company more. we spent a lot of time together and in all that time was fruitful and valuable. and you know like everybody else i'm going to miss him a lot. >> you said you admired him more than almost anyone else you ran across in politics.
after a long career i'm wondering, why that is. what made him such a source of admiration for you? >> well a number of reasons. first of all, i think it's the bottom line was -- it was always, when he and i used to have lunch and dinner together almost once every six weeks or two months when we were both in office. talk about the problems of the two states. and we get into a lot of other things. but as we talk about policy as we talk about problems the bottom line for mario cuomo was always what was right. it wasn't what was politically right. it wasn't what will help me in my career or this or that. it was always what's the right thing to do. and in making those decisions, he would bring in this vast knowledge. because he was a, the pleasure of being with him, you could talk about anything. it wasn't just politics could you talk about history and he was an historian, a scholar, a lincoln expert. you could talk about philosophy religion you could talk about sports.
he had this vast knowledge of all these subjects which he brought into his decision-making into his conversation. and it was part of the pleasure of his company. >> you know you say he liked sports chris always used to talk about what an incredible athlete, he loved to play. but he really only wanted to play if he could win. governor i want to play you some sound. and john hoover if you could play the second piece of sound. how governor cuomo said he wanted to be remembered. let's listen to this. >> one of the simple things i wanted to achieve is i want to be governor i want to be the hardest-working there ever was and i want when it's over and i figured on four years at first, i want people to say now there was an honest person. >> that's what any good public servant wants, isn't it governor? >> yeah but he was real. there are a lot of people frankly in politics you and i probably both know who, not that they're bad people.
but have other bottom lines. and they're not -- he was totally honest. his word was good. when he said something to me when we were talking about what authority should do or something like that he gave me his word. that was gold. i mean that word and it didn't matter if it was politically right. one time he told me you know agreed to do something and then it turned out new york city didn't like it and mayor koch was complaining about it and giving him problems. i called him and said if you want to back off a bit. and he said i gave you my word it's the right thing. he didn't care about political consequences, twa the right thing to do. that's what mario cuomo did. 12k3w4r imagine giving your word and keeping it in politics. governor -- >> he did. >> mario cuomo was a gifted speaker and orator he gave the keynote at the 1984 democratic national convention. i want to play one small part of that. >> there is despair, mr. president. in the faces that you don't see.
in the places that you don't visit. in your shining city. in fact mr. president, this is a nation -- mr. president, you ought to know that this nation is more a tale of two cities. than it is just a shining city on a hill. >> now governor kean you gave the republican keynote four years after this. so you know the kind of pressure and the spotlight that that was. you know it is interesting, after governor cuomo gave that speech a very famous speech taking ronald reagan on head-on. reagan went on to win 49 states it was almost as if he gave a great speech governor cuomo did, that america loved. but they didn't necessarily agree with the message. >> no and you didn't have to always he you didn't always
have to agree with mario cuomo. he said what was in his heart, in his soul and in his mind. and that was it. and that's why you, admired him so much. interestingly enough in the republican i was scared to death giving the keynote speech. so i called up mario and i said help. and give me some advice. so he gave me some advice. and then after that advice he said -- and you know the guy who did a lot of the work in that convention for me was my son, call him. so i called andrew. he gave me some more advice. they were both very helpful. he's in addition to everything else when he was your friend he was a good friend. nothing he couldn't do for you. >> governor that's a terrific story. governor tom kean former governor of new jersey thanks so much for being with us helping us remember former governor mario cuomo who passed away at the age of 82 the father of our good friend chris. >> so interesting to see the great stories. >> terrific memories to go around. >> wonderful. all right. we turn to our other big
story -- new developments coming this morning in the airasia flight 8501 crash. 30 bodies have now been recovered. the first apparent piece of the fuselage has reportedly been found this was posted online. by the defense minister of singapore. the search for more victims is set to intensify, weather permitting. weather certainly is not cooperating. a top indonesian official says the search area has been focused to a more focused area a 2,000 square-mile zone in the java sea. let's head to gary tuchman, live on the ground in indonesia. hello, gary. >> hello, michaela. you're right, 30 bodies have been recovered. the number went up from 22 just a half hour ago. the official announcement just made to us that leaves 132 passengers who have to be found. there are many sad stories that are being told here. but one thing i can tell you is that a lot of people thought over the last few days that perhaps there would be a miracle in store, that the loved ones
would be found. perhaps on a raft perhaps on an uninhabited piece of land. very few people think that now. they just want their loved ones' bodies back. breaking overnight, malaysian officials aiding in the search tell cnn this is the most probable location of airasia flight 8501. an area just over 2,000 square miles. keep a close eye on the weather that has hampered efforts for days crews have yet to discover the crucial black boxes needed to solve the mystery of the crash and the clock is ticking in the race to find them. the battery powering acoustic pingers used to locate the black boxes have about 24 days until they expire. at least three ships using underwater pinger locater devices are set to comb the area. and new this morning -- indonesian authorities have identified the bodies of three more victims. bringing the total number of people identified to four. the journey back home for the first identified victim of the crash came thursday the body of
a woman, a teacher, was laid to rest. her grieving family struggling to cope as her body was lowered into the ground. in the early-morning hours of the coast of indonesia, search teams making another painful trip back to shore. carrying the remains of more victims from the airasia flight and pieces of debris from the wreckage. also aiding in the search the american "uss sampson" rear cover recovering two bodies from the java sea. it is here where the bodies will undergo autopsies before heading back to their families. we cover a lot of these tragedies over the years, but there are always very unique sad stories to tell. one in this case is this -- most of the passengers on the plane were from indonesia. indonesia is a predominantly muslim nation. on this plane were 46 people who are all members of the same small protestant denomination
here in indonesia. nearly one-third of the total. people who died in this terrible accident were from that small church. michaela? >> that small church that nation grieving. as are so many in light of that disaster. gary thank you for bringing that to us. airasia's ceoey fernandez is meeting this morning with family members of the passenger and the crew that were aboard the doomed flight 14 of the victims have arrived back on land. the first funeral has now taken place. let's get to andrew stevens with more on that part of the story. hi, andrew. >> hi michaela. well i'm actually out here at the naval air base of the international air force. we're expecting bodies to be coming past here taken to the surabaya police hospital at any moment. what has, what's interesting about here at moment is they're helping in the logistics to get the search operation most effective. and what we've been hearing today is still those weather conditions very challenging, is
the word they're using now, a little better than yesterday, but still challenges they have narrowed this search focus down to 2,000 square miles. that's roughly about half the size of metropolitan los angeles. just to put it in perspective there. and the issue now is because the weather remains bad, everything is all about underwater searches. so they're getting the sophisticated equipment in there. they're getting the sonar equipment. it's called side-scan sonar, very important piece of equipment to have in searches like this and they've got very sophisticated acoustic listening devices to get the pings from the black boxes. you said earlier in the report that there may have been a sighting or a sounding an acoustic sounding on a piece of the main fuselage. we've been hearing it could be the tail of the aircraft. but nothing confirmed at the moment. they need divers to get down there to actually eyeball it. that's what we're being told. but the divers can't go down, the seas are too bad. helicopters can't get them out there. so the frustrations continue,
likely to continue through until at least sunday if the weather continues as it is expected to over the next few days. >> yeah bad mix. you know the emotion, the frustration, and the urgency obviously, but of course they've been down this road before. all right. andrew thanks so much for that. 14 minutes past the hour let's get to christine romans with the rest of the headlines. >> good friday morning first day of the new year. hundreds of migrants apparently abandoned by smugglers had to be rescued after being stranded on a ship drifting in the rough seas in the mediterranean. coast guard officials secured the ship. it's the second cargo ship full of migrants to be abandoned while still sailing this week. cleveland officials want the county sheriffs office to take over the probe of a controversial police shooting 12-year-old tamir rice was killed in know surveillance video showed an officer shot him about two seconds after getting out of his patrol car. the child was carrying an air-powered pellet gun.
the city wants an outside agency to handle all deadly use of force cases. chick-fil-a warning customers about a possible data breach. credit cards used in a few restaurants, the company hasn't said when it happened or how many people could be affected. a spokesperson said the chain is working with law enforcement and cybersecurity experts to get more information. and i made a very grave error at the beginning of that report. it's not the first day, it's the second day of the new year. >> it started slowly for you. >> the first trading day of the new year. i stand corrected. >> new year's celebration for you, all right. ahead, the search for flight 8501 is intensifying. a piece of the fuselage appears to have been popped up as crews get set to scour a massive portion of the java sea. although it is pinpointed as the most probable area to find the plane. we'll have more details ahead. our "new day" family and millions across the country mourning the loss of a giant -- former new york governor mario cuomo has passed away. we'll look back at his life.
30 bodies have been recovered in the search of flight 8501. we're learning that search crews have recovered a piece of the plane's fuselage. here it is likely a window panel. an image was posted online by the defense minister of singapore. officials have also established a search area narrowed it down to about 2,000 square miles.
seems smaller, but it isn't. a vast amount of space. 13-foot waves are hampering the effort. for more let's bring in richard quest, cnn aviation correspondent. i want to start obviously, richard, with the posting of this image. it looks as though it's a window panel. is this significant to you? is it par for the course? what is your thought? >> it's certainly par for the course. this is absolutely what one would expect the debris from an aircraft that's crashed into the sea. will float. and these panels most certainly will float. why it is significant, is because you can identify which panel it is. the experts will able to look at it. >> right side left side. >> where it should have been on the aircraft. and from that you can start to work out again, where the, what happened to the aircraft. or more importantly, where the plane may have come down. >> they can look at where located it where the currents and they can map how the currents move. >> but it's not because it's a window piece. >> it doesn't matter. >> right. >> it's because it's a piece of
the plane. >> they can work out where it would be. why you might actually get a little bit more information from it is if you look at the break-off points it's too soon to say that you would need more pieces. to know whether that broke off in air, whether it broke off on the ground. whether in the collision with the water. >> a piece of the puzzle. >> absolutely. but there will be dozens hundreds of pieces of this puzzle. >> this is the point of frustration, that are feeling the anxiety about why they can't find the fuselage so they can find the all-important data recorder so we can understand why the plane crashed. they can use some of the findings to work back where the plane might have gone in. and is that what they're doing now? >> that's exactly what they're doing. >> why haven't they located it? >> because it takes time. i urge anybody who is frustrated about the slowness of the procedure, to go out into the middle of the sea and take a look. now last week i was on a ship and knowing this story and
uncovering the score rytory. i stood on the deck of the ship one degree in that direction or that direction or that direction and you're talking serious amounts of water. >> despite the fact that it's in 100 feet of water. >> this studio is 30 feet. now you times it by three or four and the encouraging part of it is that they're in the right area. it may take them another day, another week. there is a time scale and we know that the pingers will run out. >> let's talk about that. >> they'll run out in 25 days even if they were to run out. i'll be a little more outspoken. even if they were to run out -- in a month's time we know the area of the plane. >> which puts us far ahead of where they were even in the
early days of mh370. >> we know the area the water is relatively shallow compared to say 447 and certainly 370. so even if everything goes against them god forbid they will be able to find this by putting assets into the water. 2,000 square miles is nothing. >> is manageable. >> it's nothing compared to what they've had to search for 370. or for 447. >> and it's interesting you say look, 100 feet is nothing to sneeze at but comparatively again to mh370, uncharted, extremely deep. extremely cavernous depths and landscape on the ocean floor. this isn't quite as much. but the ocean there is noisy. it's a lot of traffic. it's going to make it more difficult with the currents going through there. >> they're in the right area. >> again we have to focus on that. >> you found the haystack and it's not a big haystack and the needle is quite large and you're already finding bits of the needle. and you can reverse drift those
bits of the needle back to where the rest of it may all be. and you are getting good clues already. >> can i sidebar on something. you remember when we talked about mh370, we talked about the engine makers boeing had talked about data that they separately and independently would receive from the engines. >> yes, this system that i believa believe airasia used it's not the same system and it didn't necessarily transmit the data in real-time. it may have transmitted it once it landed or at other points. this aircraft was being, the arkts are being graded. in the systems that they're using -- aircrafts. the biggest system is why it's not transmitting position to the nth degree in real-time. that's the issue that aviation is grappling with. there is no excuse not to get on and do it. >> let's focus on the fact that you've said you feel they're
going to find it we've had 30 bodies recovered. that's an immense relief for the families. not the relief they were hoping for. but it is at least a process that they can begin the mourning stages now. 30 bodies found. the weather is set to cooperate we're told cooperate more in the next few days. although it's not ideal today. richard quest, thanks so much for being with us to walk us through and talk about the significance of the found parts. somchai tongsawat ber news this morning, as . we're paying tribute to the life of an american giant, andrew cuomo.
this morning, we're remembering former governor of new york mario cuomo, who passed away last night at the age of 82. just hours after his son, andrew was sworn in to his second term as governor. mario cuomo is one of the great orators and a beacon of liberalism and he was also the father of our "new day" anchor and friend chris cuomo. we're not just talking about the loss of a leader this morning, we're talking about a friend's dad. joining us to talk more about that look back on the life and legacy of mario cuomo, representative peter king a member of the house intelligence committee and you were raised in queens just like mario cuomo. from one queens boy to another, give me your impressions. >> mario cuomo was a giant. he really personified the american mosaic certainly the new york mosaic. son of italian immigrants
worked his way up the streets of new york. showing that each immigrant group, each ethnic group, each religion played such a vital role in the stained glass window that was the beauty of new york. he was a proud of his heritage. he was so proud of his mastery of the english language. you mentioned we're both from queens, he was from draker, i was from sunnyside. we went to rival schools, mine was a little better than his -- but seriously. nobody was as eloquent nobody was as dedicated. whatever political differences or philosophical differences we had, really were insignificant when you're dealing with mario cuomo. he was a giant. >> he would appreciate that jab you just got in there, too, congressman, you know that. >> if you notice i waited until he was gone before i said it. >> talk to me about the queens in his blood there as it were. how do you think his neighborhood affected him throughout his career? >> he was always a queens boy.
because that it was hard-working people. that was people who got nothing for nothing. those were people who had to struggle. those were people who really knew their ethnic roots. they all had parents or grandparents who were immigrants. they knew the bias and bigotry they had overcome. they realized that had you to work hard to get ahead. and you also realized how important your family was. how important your neighborhood was and how important your values were. while each ethnic group may had different customs or traditions it was important to keep them and also make them part of the american mosaic. that's what mario cuomo did he always was who he was. he could have been living in manhattan. he could have been living in albany. the fact is at heart he was always a man of queens. and by queens i'm talking about the working class people his father had the grocery store. he death with all, all sorts of people from different ethnic and
e religious and racial back grounds. that's what you do when you live in a working-class neighborhood. don't have the luxury of being in a country club or being isolated. you learn to work and live with everyone and it makes you a better person. mario cuomo realized that. >> you had the chance to look at him from across the neighborhood neighborhood the queens perspective. what about the republican perspective? what was it like to be in the opposite party in new york state for mario cuomo? >> well it was tough being on the other side of mario cuomo. i actually ran statewide in 1986 for attorney general and he was running for re-election for governor and he steamrolled right over us. here was a guy who was extremely eloquent. tough political in-fighter. who you know could articulate what he believed in. and he would, he was, as worthy an adversary as you could find. but you always felt that you were in the ring with someone who was a champion. and the guy who lost to joe
louis or the percher who gave up a home run to joe dimaggio you were proud to play on the same field, open in the same ring with him. >> you're talking about his speech his oratory, his ability to use words to get his message across. i want to listen to a small clip from the 1984 democratic national convention which really catapulted him up into the national stage. >> we proclaim as loudly as we can, the utter insanity of nuclear proliferation and the need for a nuclear freeze if only to affirm the simple truth that peace is better than war because life is better than death. >> he's talking about nuclear proliferation there. he really was a champion of liberalism. he talked about policies he talked about politics in a way that really you don't see that much any more today. >> yeah and listen i disagree with many of those policies but having said that he always articulated them and compressed them in such a way that it raised the level of debate.
it was done in such an intelligent, intellectual way. in a manner that could appeal to real people. that as republicans, we had to counter that. that raised our level of argument. and there you saw governor cuomo in effect giving a speech against ronald reagan the other grate orator on our side. that's what's missing in politics today. we don't have enough people who can raise the level of debate. who can articulate it from a sense of principle. no matter what any republican ever said about mario cuomo, when they disagreed with his views or his beliefs, no one ever said that he was doing it for any crass reason that he didn't believe what he was saying. that's what made him such a worthy and difficult adversary to be up against. whether you agreed or disagreed with him, the bottom line was, the level of debate was raised and everyone's game was improved. that to me is the best thing anyone can do in politics when you have the respect of your opponent and you know you're up against a giant. >> he never did choose ultimately to get in the ring to run for president.
seek the democratic nomination. had he done that in '88 or '92, do you think he could have won? >> well he certainly could have. it would have been it would have been to me like the lincoln/douglass debates. a race that people would have talked about forever. the level of debate the level of eloquence and the challenge to ideas, of ideas would have been really at a level that we haven't seen for too long. >> representative peter king really appreciate you being with us. and i can't help but thinking that one way or another, governor cuomo is going to get back at you for jabbing at his high school in queens. >> i'm sure he will by the way. and the school was in brooklyn. we lived in queens went to school in brooklyn. so again out of borough all the way. >> thanks again. the body count rising in the airasia crash this morning, 30 victims have now been recovered. along with what appears to be a piece of the fuselage. though the wreck itself still
has not been tracked down. malaysia's top navy chief tweeted out a map showing the most probable area where the wreckage is located. it covers about 2,000 square miles in the java sea. about the size of delaware. cnn's gary tuchman is live on the ground with the latest developments. >> christine, the wait sin creasingly getting more excruciating for so many familiar list. you're right, the body count is now up to 30 that have been recovered. that means there are 132 passengers and crew who are on the plane who have not been recovered. it's all the families want at this point. most have given up the remote hopes they've had of a miracle. they just want their loved ones' bodies back. where we're standing now, conditions have been very poor all day, it's raining now, which gives you an idea of why the search has been canceled today. they wouldn't be searching now, because it's nighttime. you have 40 ships and planes in the sea and above the sea, they've not been able to do
their work they're capable of doing, because the weather conditions have been so poor. there are divers ready to go down, they haven't been able to do so also because of the weather conditions. weather is supposed-team prove this weekend. christine? >> gary duckman, thanks. syria had its deadliest year since the civil war broke out four years ago, according to the syrian observatory for human rights in the united kingdom, 80,000 people died last year including 3500 children. the group uses a network of contacts inside syria to tally casualties and its figures cannot be independently confirmed. the united nations stopped tallying deaths sometime ago. the wife of a police chief in georgia is in critical condition this morning. state investigators say william mccullum called 911 early on new year's morning to say he accidentally shot his wife in their home with his service weapon. the claim is being investigated. he's said to be cooperating with the investigation, he's now on
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welcome back, we have several new developments this morning for nut airasia crash. officials have established now a 2,000 square-mile zone where they believe it is likely that the wreckage will be found. a u.s. naval ship is already in the region. a second one has been deployed from singapore to aid in the search. joining me to discuss what goes
into a mission like this is retired u.s. army general and cnn military analyst james spider marks. good to have you with us sir. >> hi michaela. >> they've been not officially tasked with the search efforts obviously. but the u.s. military lending to the efforts. we highlighted the fact that the "sampson "sampson" is already on scene. but we know the "uss fort worth" is being deployed from singapore. give us an idea of the capability of that military asset? >> both of the ships, one is a destroyer. i don't know what the other one is what this primarily does is this gives a command and control capability that allows within that platform access to national intelligence collection capability capabilities as well as all assets that are in the area working on the search and rescue operation that's taking place right now. so it's access to an incredible amount of capabilities. >> the "uss sampson" helped in
the recovery of the two of the bodies. they say the deceased have been treated with all regards to the customs and of the religion and transferred in with respect to how the indonesians would like it done. we think that's fantastic. and it just speaks to the scope of such an international effort. the magnitude of such a search effort and an investigation effort. >> oh absolutely. it really shows you the cooperation that takes place, again in this part of the world, there's no over-arching military arrangement in terms of how the indonesians, the malaysians would work together in concert with what's taking place in thailand in terms of assets that they may be providing in singapore as well. so these bilateral relationships are based on trust, and confidence proximity and arrangements that have been in place for many many years. so there is a great amount of respect among all of the nations and certainly focused in on the real human face of the tragedy. >> great coordinated effort.
however mother nature not cooperating. it's been such a factor weather has been such a factor. because of it the aerial operations are often suspended. we know the p-8 is there. and able to assist. but again, not able to fly when search conditions or weather conditions don't cooperate. talk to bus the capabilities of the fantastic technology on the board. >> the p-8 poseidon is an incredible capability. it can have almost any sensor pod you want to put on the bottom of that thing. it has signals intelligence electronic intelligence capabilities it can go after the black box and refine the search area where that thing might be. realize there aren't a whole bunch of those p-8s, they were designed to go after what we call existing standing intelligence requirements so those other requirements that the intelligence community would like to have serviced can't be serviced at this point because they're going after this very important mission here in the java sea. so as long as the weather
prohibits that thing from flying and if this were to continue for a while, the united states at some point might come back and say look we've got to divert the aircraft to some other missions we can bring it back when the weather opens audiotape little bit. >> it sounds like they'll get better weather this weekend so hopefully that will help. talking about the area the 2,000 square-mile area that they've refocused search efforts. you think there's more than can be done from the u.s. in terms of aiding right now? you think we're right where we should be? >> well there's always more you'd like to be able to do. the challenge here again is what are the resources can be used that aren't already deployed. but because of existing conditions aren't being maximized right now. i don't know that the united states could do much more than it has. certainly somebody might think, under surface, there might be some involvement a little bit more. but the united states does does not declare where it's submarine force is located. so you're not going to see that capability. but certainly there's radar, signals intelligence capability.
sonar buoys that can be put on the surface and subsurface to go help further refine this area. if the weather is tooed barks the search area could expand the debris field might in fact migrate and expand a little bit because of the choppy conditions. >> and those currents playing a part. general spider marks, always a pleasure to have you with us. the tougher weather is hampering the search for the doomed jet. we'll take a look into how the underwater search something affected. straight ahead. ugh... ...heartburn. did someone say burn? try alka seltzer reliefchews. they work just as fast and are proven to taste better than tums smoothies assorted fruit. mmm... amazing. yeah, i get that a lot. alka seltzer heartburn reliefchews. enjoy the relief. narrator: these are the tennis shoes skater kid: whoa narrator: that got torture tested by teenagers and cried out for help. from the surprised designers. who came to the rescue with a brilliant fix male designer: i love it
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window panel from the fuselage. you could see it there, despite a search severely hampered by weather, they are moving forward here. search teams have now established a 2,000 square mile search zone where they'll focus their effort to find this plane. for more on the underwater search i want to bring in tim tea lar, sea operations and submersible specialist, president of tiburon sub systems. he rents rovs and auvs, types useful for a search for 8501. thank you for being here. i want to start first with the search zone because this is the new information this morning, they narrow hd to 2,000 square miles based on where they've seen the debris where they think this flight could be the size of that search half of the size of los angeles, it's the size of delaware. give me a sense of how difficult that is. >> well it can be done. it just takes time and with this weather pattern, time is not a luxury. so if you are saying if you are hiring me to do this job, i would pick a different time of year. >> well you can't pick the time
of year. this is what they're dealing with right now. let's talk about the depth and the current, another interesting part of this story. we know that shallow depths are coming into play here about 100 feet. how difficult does that make it with the currents the shallow depth with these currents for investigators? >> currents are going to be a lot more prevalent than in the deep water, like flight 370, but what you do have is runoff from the land and the turbidity of the water and the currents mix it up and keep it suspended. >> island of borneos and the water is coming right off. >> once you find it you have to recover black boxes and bodies it's extremely difficult that you can't see. >> are you worried about the debris moving? >> at that depth, 100 feet or deep probably not. if it was a hurricane, it can move things like that it can pick up large objects but at that depth, not really. >> so you're worried about the divers, worried abouty ed aboutied about 13-foot swells and people trying to get
off the dive getting into the water. >> when you enter gear off the deck of your boat and put it into the water, we call it the splash zone. once it's in the water, the hydrodynamic properties of the wattler pull that gear and when you put in divers in and out of the water you have a platform or a boat going up and down ten feet at a time it's extremely dangerous. >> underwater noise, a french investigation team sent sophisticated equipment going to try to locate the black boxes. unlike a deepwater search for mh370, this is a shallow water search. currents water, is that going to interfere with the acoustics at all? >> the shallow water area is much noisier. you have rain on the top of the water, makes noise. boat propellers make noise and lots of small fishing boats potentially. waves on shore make noise and biological stuff, fish crabs cracking so all that is background noise and it's extremely hard to hear things when lots of things are screaming at you so it adds a
level of complications. >> some six days now since this flight has been underwater 24 more days where the pinger is going to pinger locator is going to be gone. still be viable and they will be correct and question narrow the search area but the important thing is finding the bodies so the black boxes are a secondary thing and will be found anyway. >> thank you very much john? >> thank you very much christine. much more on the search for flight 8501. this morning we're mourning the loss of an american giant an we pay tribute to the incredible life of former new york grn mario cuomo next.
peace is better than war because life is better than death. >> he's brought the state to this point. >> people and the passion of belief are still more important than money. >> he believed in the power of individuals to achieve. >> there was no one like him. he could have been the president of the united states. he was that great. >> 30 bodies have now been recovered. >> the weather is unfortunately not looking good for the next two or three days. >> 2,000 square mile reaction of
the java sea. until we get the data recorder and the voice recorder we're still somewhat in the dark. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com good morning, welcome to "new day," the second day of january, friday january 2, 2015. we begin with the passing of a great, great american a loss that certainly hits very close to home here on "new day," legendary former new york governor mario comeau the father of our chris cuomo, dies at 82. he died last night, just hours after his son andrew was sworn in to a second term as new york governor. >> it was an amazing life. his parents, immigrants from italy, with no money, they couldn't read or speak english when they came here they ran a grocery store. mario cuomo played minor league baseball his career ending because he was beaned hit in the head. it wasn't his physical strength
it was his words and how he spoke them that electrified democrats particularly the liberal wing of the party. his keynote address in the 1984 democratic national convention remembered by many as one of the most powerful speeches of a generation the tributes are pouring in this morning from all sides of the political world, former president bill clinton calling cuomo's life a blessing. new jersey governor chris christie a republican called cuomo a giant. they are among the millions of americans remembering a true american grit. simply it was the american dream, the son of italian immigrants, mario cuomo rose from the bagsment of this grocery store in south jamaica, queens where he slept on the floor and spoke no english, to the highest office in new york state. ♪♪ along the way, creating a political legacy and dynasty that spanned generations. his life driven by a passion for learning his catholic faith, and a determination to simply
work harder than the other guy. >> one of the simple things i wanted to achieve, i want to be governor i want to be the hardest working there ever was. >> reporter: after more than a decade after the full contact politics of new york cuomo catapulted to national prominence with the keynote address at the 1984 democratic national convention. >> thank you for the great privilege of being able to address this convention. >> reporter: he challenged head-on ronald reagan's notion of shining city on a hill instead calling america a tale of two cities. >> we must get the american public to look past the glitter, beyond the showmanship, to the reality, the hard substance of things, and we'll do it not so much with speeches that sound good as with speeches that are good and sound. >> reporter: it cemented him as one of his generation's greatest orators, a defender of the have-nots and the little guys. it also made him the choice of many democratic leaders to run for president. >> he said will you think about
it? i said i have been think being it. >> but are you going to think about it anymore? laof laugh. >> reporter: he was considered a favorite for the democratic nomination in 1988 and 1992 but in both cases he demured. his seeming inability to decide on higher office frustrated democratic party faithful and became something of a punchline in itself. >> and mario cuomo, no one know what he's going to do. i don't know if you've seen his new public service commercial for new york city a mind is a terrible thing to make up. >> reporter: he said it wasn't indecisive that kept him in new york instead of washington it of his commitment to the state. >> it has nothing to do with my chances. it has everything to do with my job as governor and i don't see that i can do both, therefore, i will not pursue the presidency. >> reporter: he said it was that same commitment that led him to pass on a nomination to the supreme court, deciding instead to run for a fourth term as governor but 12 years was
enough for new york. he was defeated by george pataki in the republican revolution of 1994. cuomo returned to the private sector to restart his law practice host a radio show and become a prolific author and public speaker. and in 2010 came a brand new title, former or first governor cuomo, a word he would be forced to use because he was suddenly no longer the only one. ♪♪ >> ladies and gentlemen, the cuomo family! >> reporter: in a bittersweet irony his eldest son, andrew the current governor of new york was sworn into a second term just hours before his father's death. >> he couldn't be here physically today, my father but my father is in this room. he's in heart and mind of every person who is here. he's here and he's here and his inspiration and his legacy and his experience is what has brought this state to this
point. so let's give him a round of applause. >> reporter: governor mario cuomo, a true american giant, was 82. he is survived by his wife of more than 60 years, matilda rafah cuomo, his five children including our cnn "new day" anchor chris, and 14 grandchildren. the constants of his life always faith and family. you can see the adoration of the picture as chris looks at his father there, so close. >> beautiful moment. >> in a few minutes we'll speak with former new york governor david patterson who proceeded andrew in the governor's mansion. stay with us for that. on to our other big story the latest in the search for airasia flight 8501, a piece of the fuselage what appears to be a window panel was discovered this morning, the image was posted online by one of the officials in the singaporean government. 30 bodies have now been pulled from the sea, the first victim has now been laid to rest.
overnight officials honed in on a section of the java sea where they think they have the best chance to find the plane. it's not small, it is a 2,000-square-mile patch they're looking for in the java sea, about the size of connecticut. awful, awful weather conditions are slowing the search. gary tuchman joins us now the very very latest from indonesia. gary? >> reporter: michaela inside this tent mind me at the surabaya police headquarters family members still waiting to find out what happened to the bodies of their loved ones. as we speak, inside the tent is the ceo of airasia, tony fernandez. he came here to meet with family members. he also came here to personally escort the body of one of his flight attendants one of the four people who have been identified a 22-year-old woman, back to her hometown in sumatra, indonesia, which is west of here. but right now there are still 132 families waiting for any word. breaking overnight, malaysian
officials aiding in the search tell cnn this is the most probable location of airasia flight 8501 an area just over 2,000 square miles. keeping a close eye on the weather that hampered efforts for days crews have yet to discover the crucial black boxes needed to solve the mystery of the crash and the clock is ticking in the race to find them. the battery powering the acoustics pingers used to locate the black boxes have about 24 days until they expire. at least three ships using underwater pinger locator devices are set to comb the area and new this morning, indonesian authorities identified the bodies of three more victims, bringing the total number of people identified to four. the journey back home for the first identified victim of the crash came thursday. the body of a woman, a teacher, was laid to rest in a tearful ceremony. her grieving family struggling to cope as her body was lowered into the ground. in the early morning hours off the coast of indonesia, search teams making another painful
trip back to shore, carrying the remains of more victims from the airasia flight and pieces of debris from the wreckage. also aiding in the search the american "uss sampson" recovering two bodies from the java sea yesterday. at the hospital in surabaya the race to identify other victims is of most importance for relatives. it is here where they will undergo autopsies before heading back to their families. as you mentioned, michaela the weather has been very bad here in the city and region with searches. we've had flooding rains today and that absolutely has been a big problem, but supposed to improve this weekend, particularly on sunday. michaela? >> a little glimmer of hope there. gary i was thinking as you were talking about the identification process, the retrieval of 30 bodies which is some progress considering what it's been like the last few days it must be such an emotional time every time there's word of another body being retrieved, another body being returned give us a
sense of what that's like there where you are. >> reporter: well the first few days there were a lot of people who were still hoping for a miracle, that their loved ones were on a raft that their loved ones were on uninhabited land somewhere. most people have given up that hope sadly. that's their only hope to get their loved one's body back. when they hear from the news or other family members they found more bodies they ask officials is it my loved one? as we see most of the families it's not been their loved one just yet. >> such a painful time for so many of them. we continue to keep them in our thoughts and prayers here. gary tuchman thank you for that. >> let's talk more about the search and recovery of flight 8501 mary schiavo our cnn aviation analyst, former inspector general for the u.s. department of transportation. she represents families and victims following plane crashes and david soucie former faa safety inspector and author of "flight 370: why it disappeared and why it's only a matter of
time before it happens again." david, this image we saw singaporean defense minister sent out on social media a picture, there it is that was retrieved a piece of the fuselage it would appear. tell us what you see here the significance of what investigators can potentially learn from finding a piece of the plane. >> every piece of the plane needs two pieces of information in order to make it useful what it is and where it is. what we don't have is where it is and they're doing a great job of communicating with us but telling us only what we need to know. >> they'll map where it was found for their own uses. >> right. that's what's going on now in the investigation. every piece of evidence that he's brought out, including the bodies including everything to do with the aircraft is being brought out and documented where it is. it's critically important right now, but without that this piece doesn't give me a whole lot of information. there's large pieces there's small pieces depending on whether it was in the air when it broke up or on the ground we really can't determine that from
this. >> following a crash, this is what is found, you start to find pieces of the plane. >> that's right. >> mary the area they're talking about has been honed in 2,000 square miles, still sizeable in the java sea. it seems as though this search is making progress. it might seem to us that and the families obviously are agonizing, they want more details and more answers and certainly want the bodies of their loved ones returned but this is progress. >> oh very much so. it's tremendous progress and these pieces that come up so far the most telltale pieces haven't been recovered. there's a lot of people are kind of hanging on whether the control surfaces of the plane were still on the plane when it entered the water n particular the vertical stabilizer which would be a very important control service and in other crashes has been lost before the plane hit the water, so as david mentioned, david's right. every piece that they pick up it's important to know what it is and where it is. for example, if control surfaces
of the plane are found much further away from the main wreckage that, will be very telling, but first and foremost in the search will be to recover the human remains. >> david gallo earlier on the show about an hour ago was detailing the challenges of locating the flight data recorders shall the black boxes as they're called using the towed pinger locators unless you're looking for an artificial crash scene no water condition is going to be ideal, is it? >> no not at all. it's the surface conditions that make it tough with the towed pinger locators remember they're attached with a cable, so when it's a very long cable like we talked about, 370 and how they were towing that the surface movement has little effect on the device itself called the tow fish but now we're talking about shorter distances in the cable, talking about waves as high as 18 20 feet high so it's pulling and moving this towed pinger locator which creates noise, it moves
and it's challenging. >> it can get false readings. that will be a problem. >> it's a high traffic area. >> they would provide a big perimeter obviously, right, as much as they could through that shipping lane? >> we're really only talking about five or six miles of separation because by that point the underwater locator beacon is only capable of broadcasting two and a half three miles at the most. >> but the akoouzcoustics underwater play some tricks. you highlighted this mary it's important to remember there are two separate things, the investigative arm of this and then the humanitarian effort. this is going along a normal time line here as well, this humanitarian effort, the processing and finding the deceased et cetera. >> it is and from what we've seen obviously to have may not seem like a lot, there's still so many people missing, but at this point, given the weather, they are finding a lot of human remains, and that's certainly
good to get them out of the water as quickly as possible. i do think, though that now that they think they have an idea a better idea at least where the main body of the plane is that that's going to be difficult as well. they will send what they typically do is send divers down and they bring the people up one by one, and that's going to be very difficult and bad water conditions, bad weather. >> it's just bad when those bodies are brought we know as agonizing as it is. this is a really gruelling process for the family. >> oh it is. there just aren't words to capture it and remember it's not like someone was lost after a long illness or in a controlled setting like a hospice or hospital. this is something that has hit these poor families like a thunderbolt of lightning out of the blue. they had no time to prepare ander thisand er this they're just in shock and will be for many many months or years to come. >> mary schiavo and david soucie
we appreciate your expertise. we turn to christine romans for headlines now. >> a bizarre story out of west virginia two suspects arrested after they allegedly shot at police officers during a traffic stop before two dead bodies were found in one of the cars. the officers had pulled over a stolen suv when the driver of a pickup truck pulled up next to the officers and started shooting. one of the officers returned fire. the suspect in the pickup truck was wounded and arrested a short time later. then the other suspect was, he surrendered. after all the chaos police found two recently deceased bodies hidden under a mattress. the two suspects are believed to be father and son. both police officers were wounded but expected to be okay. secretary of state john kerry and sergey lavrov with a diplomatic talk on new year's day. state department official says the two spoke about the crisis in the middle east and ukraine.
syrian and kurdish forces getting the upper hand on isis in kobani. kurds have seized about 70% of this border city helped along by air strikes from the u.s. and its allies. the terror group has spent the last several months attacking kobani and trying to get full control. john and michaela? >> thanks so much. we'll have more of our continuing coverage in the search for mh -- pardon me, airasia 8501 throughout the morning. >> also continuing to talk about former governor mario cuomo, passed away last night at the age of 82. we'll be paying tribute to this incredible life and legacy. stay with us.
he couldn't be here physically today my father but my father is in this room. he's in heart and mind of every person who is here. he's here and he's here and his inspiration and his legacy and his experience is what has brought this state to this point. so let's give him a round of applause. >> that was new york governor andrew cuomo talking about his father mario cuomo. that was andrew cuomo's inauguration for a second term of governor as new york came just hours before the death of mario cuomo. mario cuomo is also the father of our friend and "new day" anchor chris. he died last night at his home here in manhattan, surrounded by his family. what a life it was. here to talk about his life and legacy michael smerconish cnn
political commentator, host of "the michael smerconish program" on sirius xm. >> thanks for having me. >> my younger coothers don't remember in 1982 liberal democratic politics this man was it. >> i'm a fan of the spoken word and he had the props. he could deliver a speech and did deliver a speech the '84 democratic national convention that so many of us remember fondly. i don't know that anyone has assumed that purely progressive liberal mantle. maybe elizabeth warren. there hasn't been someone willing to stand front and center and make that kind of a case, as he did, in the face of the reagan '80s, and so there are so many aspects of his legacy his intellect, the rags-to-riches story.
what a wonderful story but i'll think of him as the lawyer and the thampchampion of the spoken word. >> all of us are a collection of our experiences but it's interesting to learn about the early days of his life right, the fact that he didn't speak english until he was a child. >> 8 years old. he was raised in a family of parents who didn't speak english. >> yet is known for this powerful powerful speech that is poetic it's prose. it speaks to every man, with i is something that i think he very much took pride in. >> he had a terrific intellect. this was a brilliant individual and yet never lost that common touch, that common appeal michaela because i think of the upbringing that you make reference to. he had a gift. he was also dealt a tremendous hand, right, to be able to do what he did on his feet. so there are many aspects of the legacy. >> he had a gift but he came from nothing. he came from hard-working people. he wanted to be the harder worker. he was an athlete, he wanted to
win and work hard for it. but i think what we've really seen today, everyone has been talking about, family doing the right thing in his family that were the twin guides in all of this. >> something i would add to that which is he stood apart from so many on the contemporary stage who, maybe before their time they want to move to the next level and they want to run for president. he's someone who, much to the frustration of many supporters on i think three different occasions kind of left them at the altar. he said unless i've got the fiscal affairs of the state of new york in order, then i don't think it's property for me to move on. it's another way that distinguished him. >> in politics today everyone is looking for the next job. he wasn't doing that. >> he refused to play that game which i think is to his credit. >> he spoke with former governor of new jersey republican tom caine and peter king a short while ago, both republicans who spoke in glowing terms of mario cuomo. rudy giuliani endorsed him in 1994 when he was running for
re-election against george pataki to many republicans' chagrin, but it seemed like he had some a lot of republicans necessarily wouldn't have necessarily voted for him but he liked him. >> it speaks to the passing of an era. this is the saddest news of all beyond the loss to the cuomo family. he's representative of a time when individuals, regardless of their differences and political differences could reach across the aisle. how often would you find today the sort of glowing comments that are being offered by republicans about a democrat. you just don't see it anymore. >> i have to tell you what tom caine gave the keynote at the republican convention in 1998. who did he call for advice on how to give a keynote address? he called democratic governor mario cuomo to get tips which is amazing and mario not only gave him tips but said call my son andrew. he set up the speech stage managed it dimmed the lights. call him, too. i can't think of anything like
that happening today. >> when tip o'neill celebrated his 69th birthday in the ray gone '80s, a high point for con conserveatism conservatism ronald reagan brought him to the white house and celebrated his 69th birthday. today, obama, baby getting together like that i don't see that. we need more of this. >> what kind of president would he have made? >> i like the thought of what kind of a president he would have made because i think he could have been a bridge builder. ideologically we weren't kin grid interare spir kindred spirits. in terms of how he approached the job, earnest. i think they hadhe'd have been fun to watch. >> when we listen to the current governor of new york give the inaugural yesterday, they sound so much alike. >> take it a step further, chris. >> there's such a distinctive
sound in the voices it's remarkable. >> they have people skills. chris has people skills. >> sometimes. >> you watch him here day-to-day basis he has the gift as well. >> it's interesting, though how politics has changed over time because you know as popular as mario cuomo's speech was in 1984 the democrats got crushed that year. in 1992 the democratic party itself shifted away from him toward bill clinton, toward the more centrist you know wing of the democratic party. it was almost like that cuomo moment was something the mario cuomo moment was something from a little bit earlier. >> true. you referenced clinton and to michaela's point what kind of a president would he have been as an attorney what kind of a supreme court justice would he have been because apparently that was ready to go and he decided it's not a job that i'd like to pursue. >> he decided to run again is that why he didn't take the justice? >> it was budget issues in new york he had to stay in new york to get the job done and
ultimately ran for re-election. by all accounts clinton was ready to give him the job. >> we can't get some stuff out of chris talk about an drew. given the fact he father didn't twice sounds like from urging didn't take the supreme court nomination andrew has been viewed as a contender for a possible presidential candidate. do you think some of this might change his thoughts? >> you know maybe he looks at dad's -- i don't know is my first answer. >> just curious. >> maybe he looks at dad's experience and admires the fact that dad recognized his role as governor of the state of new york he wasn't going to hustle off to a make in iowa or get to the snow of new hampshire. >> michael smerconish great to have you here with us talking about this. love talking politics like this different eras it's really fun. watch "smerconish" saturdays at 9:00 a.m. and 6:00 p.m. eastern on cnn. we'll talk more about governor mario cuomo's legacy and get insight from former new
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this morning we're remembering former new york governor mario cuomo. he passed away last night at the age of 82 just hours after his son, andrew was sworn in for a second term in the job that mario served in for 12 years. governor cuomo was a great orators, a beacon for liberalism and the father of our friend, "new day" anchor chris cuomo. joining to us talk about the former governor is former governor of new york david paterson he served before mario's son andrew. good morning, governor. thank you for being with us. >> good morning, happy new year but it sure hasn't gotten off to a very good start. >> no. thank you for being with us. as you look back on not just the career but the life the legacy of governor cuomo, what are your thoughts? >> well my thoughts are that
mario cuomo graduated at the top of his class in the '50s of st. john's law school. then went on to become a governor but in the interim he was denied the opportunity to work for some of the top law firms and he felt it was because of his italian descent, so what he did as so many people have done is make sure that the path for others was clearer than it was for him. >> fascinating. i want to play because you brought up his past his roots, where he came from. i want to play you a little bit from his keynote address in the 1984 democratic national convention because he talks about his parents who came to the united states with nothing and the lessons that he learned from them. let's listen. >> that struggle to live with dignity is the real story of the shining city and it's a story, ladies and gentleman, that i didn't read in a book or learn in a classroom. i saw it and lived it like many
of you. i watched a small man with thick callu calluoses on both of his hands work 15 hours a day, a man who came here uneducated a lone, unable to speak the lang whoonlg taught me all i needed to know about faith and hard work by the simple eloquence of his example. i learned about our obligation to him and each other from him and my mother. they asked only for a chance to work and make the world better for their children. >> grn, that was not only politics but this was his life. >> well in that same space he points out at the time in 1984 more people living without food or shelter than at any time since the great depression tens of millions of people thrown out of work and as he described it a people rather than living more at peace with ourselves, are actually more divided than ever and he described it as region
against region class against class, the have nots -- the haves against the have nots and the have lesses. this man was dynamic, articulate courageous. he could have been the president of the united states. he was that great. >> you occupied the office that he held for 12 years. what was it like to sit there in that chair? how did his service to the state of new york inspire you? >> well for me it was very humbling. governor cuomo had gone through a great recession in 1991 and had to cut a lot of programs and i was among those voices criticizing him because we all had a pretty progressive agenda and we couldn't spend any money because he wanted to cut the budget. 17 years later, i'm sitting in the same chair saying the same thing he did and getting kicked around the same way he did by the same colleagues. so it was a humbling experience for me. but in talking to him during that particular time he advised
me that you have to do what you think will be right 10 to 15 years later your colleagues ss aren't going to think about it. what advice that was. >> if only all politicians could live by it. he came up in the rough and tumble politics of new york state, not unlike you. he saw what fights can be like. he ran for mayor and he lost he had internal fights all the way but he seemed to do it in a way with a smile. what lesson do you think he got from new york and the politics here? >> as much as he lost his temper and believe me that was often, and as passionate as he was and i think -- >> can you hear me? >> yes. >> as passionate as he was, talking about the issues there was a grace and a warmth about him when you were with him, you felt comfortable and relaxed, and in a lot of ways i felt protected sitting and talking to
him because he exhibited such a dynamic quality, which he's passed along to his sons andrew cuomo, who would have to be considered down the road as a presidential candidate, because he's the only one that seems to be able to work across party lines in this country, and of course cnn's own chris cuomo, who is a tremendous anchor. >> when you hear about mario cuomo from people like you, chris and others, it's that fierce intellect that people like to talk about, the thirst for knowledge, and also the respect for knowledge. the "new york times" opened today, a great piece, said that "mario cuomo could vocould socratic arguments with himself." >> he could because his whole idea about trying to persuade people was trying to understand where they were coming from in the first place so he wanted to see if he could actually debate the opposite point of view to
try to reach an understanding of how he could reach those people and a little earlier somebody said something about turning away from mario cuomo in 1992 to support president clinton, who was a centrist. president clinton is a dynamic political figure but i think what we're missing here is barack obama ran for president in 2008 basically on the same agenda that mario cuomo was prophesizing in his speech at the democratic convention in san francisco in 1984 which you just played. sometimes it's not actually the point of view. it's the passion of the candidate. so that's why a mario cuomo or a barack obama could have won even with a progressive agenda. that's how ronald reagan could win with a very conservative agenda. sometimes it really comes from the spirit of the individual who is the candidate, and very few people that can actually have that impact on a society. >> so interesting, the democratic party in a way has circled back toment so of the
politics of mario couomo. >> i'm saying the democratic party, like the republican party, has different viewpoints that perhaps the consultants tried to lay out, each presidential race but in that quadrennial referendum what seems to be more important to the people is the image and the spirit and the courage of the individual who is running. >> spirit was something that mario cuomo had in abundance. former governor david paterson great to have you here with us on n nd. thanks for on "new day." thanks for joining us. >> thank you very much, john. ahead we'll remember somebody else who had tremendous influence on our world, our culture, roger ebert. see a new cnn film called "life itself" set to air sunday night. ebert's grandmother is going to join us live. we'll talk more about the legacy also of our former new york governor mario cuomo. we'll be right back.
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good to have you back with us on "new day." we'll have more on the death of former governor mario cuomo. tonight cnn remembers a man as a tremendous writer the great roger ebert in a new cnn film "life itself." ebert's opinion helped make or break films for decades. he did much of it his long time partner gene siskel. despite a personality conflict that proved very difficult to overcome. >> i think in the beginning it was very difficult. gene sat in the back row, roger had his favorite seat. they left without saying a word to one another. >> we both thought of ourselves as full service, one-stop film critics. we didn't see why the other one was necessary. alone, together in an elevator
we would study the numbers, changing above the door. >> oh that voice. joining us now, raven evans, roger ebert's granddaughter who inherited a great interest in the film. good to have you here this morning. >> hauthank you for having me. you saw the clip it's just it's great voice and amazing career. >> the voice brings it all back. >> it really does. >> you've taken a really interest in the fille. i think any time we have something left of a person we love we take interest in it but is it a little different because it was your grarnd father somebody we knew and loved so well? >> absolutely. so much of the film you so he my family and clips of us and my grandfather and i and my brothers and all of that so it really is just a special, special film and you see they talk a lot about his career but also the family man aspect. >> he was such a family man. having known roger he spoke with
great affection about how important his family was to him. i'm curious, if the influence of having a grandfather like roger ebert in your life did it change the way you went to movies and what you felt in movies and how you experienced the movie going by? >> absolutely. absolutely but he always would say, you know we would come out of a movie and people would ask you always ask, how did you like the movie? he would say, raven, say whatever you want. if you liked it you liked it. if you did, you didn't no matter what movie it was. it didn't have to i never had to agree with his opinion or anything like that. >> did you have similar taste in films? >> i think so. he obviously was a heavy inflauns on me showing me so many different films. >> what part of the documentary do you think will stand out and surprise people the most? we don't want to give it away because we want to you watch it when it airs but do you think they're going to see a side of your grandfather that they might not had known existed? >> i think there are so many
moments just to laugh and that you are humorous in the film and maub a maybe a lot of people don't know my grandfather was hilarious, so witty and sharp and you see a lot of that in the film. it comes through in his writing but it is highlighted in the movie. >> one of the harder things for you i know and it was hard to watch for anybody that knew roger was how his body was ravaged by sickness. >> sure. >> it was a process and i no he that must have been a very hard thing to live through as a family. >> yes. >> but you had each other and he had his humor. was it harder to go through that raven, because he was this public figure and when you ultimately lost him, i can't imagine having to sort of share that grief with the public who are grieving in their own way. >> yes. it was very comforting actually. for people to be reaching out and saying how much he
influenced their lives as well and you know what they meant to him. people i didn't know all ages you know people who were my age, older people just reaching out and saying how much they just had a personal connection with him and missed him and how much he meant to them. so it felt very comforting to know that it wasn't just me and my family grieving about this or watching this happen. it was there were a lot of us and we were all just feeling obviously rooting for him and trying to stay positive. >> one thing some people might not know your grandfather was a tremendously generous broadcaster. i was fortunate enough i wouldn't be seated in this seat today if it wasn't for him. he helped give me a break in the tv business. tremendously generous and i feel greatly impacted and grateful for that fact that he reached back and gave me a shot. what is it that you are most grateful for, having experienced the life of roger ebert directly
in your own life? >> yes, i mean there are so many things and when it's someone who is so close to you and such a big part of your life you know he's impacted so much but for me it was probably really we just shared like a strong love for the arts and so he introduced me to so so many plays and movies and film and music and all that. >> he was a voracious consumer of things. >> absolutely. >> pop culture and music and film. >> 100%. that was something we shared but i was also inspired by his consumption of that. so probably that would be the one thing. >> raven evans, thank you for coming in to share recollections of your tremendous grandfather. we want to point you to the film, cnn will air it this sunday at 9:00 p.m. called "life itself" my friend your grandfather, a great man. roger ebert. time for today's "impact your world." dr. jim withers spends his days and nights on the streets of
pittsburgh trying to make a difference for the homeless. chris cuomo brings you his story. >> are for more than 20 years dr. jim wit withers has spent his days like this. >> are you going to stay here or use the shelter? >> reporter: operation safety net is looking for patients. >> we've seen people with all things that should never be on the street catheters and tubes coming out of them. >> yo safety net. >> reporter: if bourquing if these conditions is rarely easy but dr. jim withers says turning his back on the homeless in pittsburgh was never an option. >> there were some times when i was kind of scared. i had a guy point a shotgun at me and a guy threaten to cut my throat. once you get to know people and they become real to you, it's hard to forget them. i dropped you off some firewood. >> reporter: days like this when temperatures are below freezing the stakes are especially high. >> when it gets below 15 somewhere in that range,
everybody's at risk so we do extra patrols. sometimes you sense when a person's giving uhm andp and that's a strong predictor who might make it. >> reporter: withers says the pay yourself has been worth it. he founded this street medicine institute to bring his vision to cities across the world. >> i think there's just a sense that if we weren't doing this there would be no one there for them and it gives incredible amount of meaning to everyday work. i wouldn't give it up for anything. >> it was nice to hear chris's voice this morning. obviously he is in our thoughts after the death of his father last night, the loss of mario cuomo being felt by millions of people all around the country especially by the lucky few who knew him well. we're going to talk about the loss chris, for the entire cnn family, up next.
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because our colleague, chris cuomo, lost his father yesterday and our hearts are certainly heavy knowing that the state, the country has lost a great american but we were sitting here sort of recalling and enjoying some of these pictures that we've shown you now of the cuomo family in some of the moments together and seeing the three men of the family together. it's a big, wonderful italian family. we were talking about some of our own recollections hearing chris talk about his dad and it was always love. it was always love when he talked about his pop. >> he's a great man, what a great man to be brought up by a great man, but chris talks about him like he's just pop. >> one kid who loved his father a whole lot and one of the great joys about working with chris for so many years, to hear the stories. he loves to tell them because he was so proud, so proud of his father everything he accomplished and also just how he was always there for chris. >> and he sounds just like his pop. we send our thoughts and prayers to all of the members of that
giant and wonderful cuomo family. thanks so much for joining us. "newsroom" with carol costello will begin right after a break. alright, so this tylenol arthritis lasts 8 hours but aleve can last 12 hours. and aleve is proven to work better on pain than tylenol arthritis. so why am i still thinking about this? how are ya? good. aleve. proven better on pain.
thank you for joining me. we begin with the race to find the wreckage of flight 8501 and all the souls who perished on board. more debris found floating including an apparent window panel. experts say it almost certainly is from an aircraft. it will take more scrutiny to confirm it is from the doomed airliner though. crews are battling fowl weather but managed to pull 30 bodies from the java sea. tech anythings on land identified four of the victims and the search for the main wreckage narrows to just over 2,000 square miles. that's roughly the size of delaware. let's get the latest from surabaya indonesia, now, where the flight originated and many of the families are gathered. gary tuchman is there. hi gary. >> reporter: hello, carol, the surabaya police headquarters where we're standing this tent has been specifically set up for families still waiting for any word whatsoever. 30 bodies