that. >> once again -- >> extreme. >> my plans. >> she's right. >> michaela pereira playing the voice of reason. a lot of news. we get you to the "newsroom" and miss carol costello. any questions for mich. >> pardon? what? i'll check. >> what? >> have a great day. "newsroom" starts now. happening now in the "newsroom," does this sound like a lame duck president to you? >> i have no more campaigns to run run. my only agenda -- i know because i won both of them. >> talking tough on terror and talking up his track record here at home. >> i call on this congress to show the world that we are united in this mission bypassing a resolution to authorize the use of force against isil. our unemployment rate is now lower than it was before the financial crisis.

>> but think everyone's buying it? >> america needs many things but what america desperately needs is new leadership. >> pretty much the same rhetoric we've heard for the past six years. >> a new chapter or the same old? our experts weigh in. also in yemen, militants seize the presidential palace. >> reporter: do you believe the president is still in control of the country? >> a national security crisis for the u.s. the immediate worry, the safety of several hundred american embassy workers. an embassy vehicle already shot at. >> the question now, what should the united states do next? let's talk. live in the "cnn newsroom." and good morning. i'm carol costello. thank you so much for joining me. we start this morning with major breaking news stories from around the globe. first to tel aviv where police

in israel are investigating a terror attack. authorities say a palestinian man went on a stabbing spree on a commuter bus. we begin our coverage with cnn correspondent elyse lavit. she's in jerusalem. >> reporter: police say this 23-year-old palestinian arrived in tel aviv this morning, got on the bus at the central bus station. two stations later he took out that knife and began stabbing people. police forces they searched the area. they haven't found any other suspects connected to the attack. naturally though tel aviv on high alert as is jerusalem. now there's no indication any terrorist group is involved. it does seem like we're talking about a so-called lone wolf attack. to paris now where the prime minister just announced major steps to increase security in the wake of terror attacks at "charlie hebdo" and a kosher grocery store.

>> translator: in total there are close to 3,000, i repeat 3,000 people to monitor. this change in scale is a tall order for our country and for our partners, notably those who are european. >> france will invest nearly half a billion dollars and add thousands of security jobs which the prime minister says will be indispensable to guarantee the protection of the french people. to ukraine where the prime minister says russians crossed the border to join the fight. russia says it's not true. this as there are new reports this morning that ukraine plans to boost their army by almost 70,000 troops. cnn's matthew chance in moscow. >> reporter: the russian foreign minister sergei lavrov has rejected those allegations coming from ukraine but also nato and the united nations that russian troops have been crossing the border russian heavy weaponry has been crossing the border saying look we've heard this in the past this is what he said but we haven't

seen any evidence of it. give us the satellite photos. show us the evidence. that's been the russian argument all along. it's been at the root of these russian denials. finally to yemen where rebels are standing guard outside the private residence of that country's president. uncertainty is growing over who's actually in charge of the middle eastern nation. as you know yemen is a key u.s. ally in the fight against al qaeda. one is calling it an all out co coup. cnn's nick paton walsh is calling it as all out coup. is it? >> reporter: it's certainly a change in the balance here. if it walks like a coup if it talks like a coup is it a coup? i have been speaking to a yemeni official who's pretty well briefed on these things. he spoke just recently to the president who is still in his residence here in sanaa. that's a place surrounded by

houthi militia men. part of his guard left yesterday but part remains. they're now sharing the job of protecting him with the houthi begun men gunmen outside. that's his take on the situation. the president considers himself to be president and thinks he can come and go as he pleases. a picture here certainly which has some accuracy. going on to say that no one's called on the president to step down. no one has called for the government to be dissolved. the leader of the houthi last night called the president so it's very confusing that the stage to work out who's actually in control of this country. the houthis are making it clear, the dominant power. they have their finger in every pie so to speak. president hadi doesn't have much other than the trappings of power at this stage inside his residence. it will be a confusing few hours

or day ahead as people explain to the yemenis in the outside world who runs yemen. >> nick paton walsh joining us. joining us is bob bear a former operative and cnn's intelligence and security analyst. good morning, bob. >> good morning, carol. >> okay. so it's a very confusing situation in yemen. the houthi rebels are not affiliated with al qaeda, so if this really is a coup and the houthi rebels take over will there be a big fight between the al qaeda forces in yemen and the houthi rebels? >> i think what we could do is liken it to the division in syria where the country is split in half between sunni and shia. we're going to see the same thing in yemen. we're going to see a state where there is no central government to speak of. it will be a lingering civil war. it's almost certain. which means that al qaeda will have an even stronger base. u.s. intelligence will have no natural ally to go after al

qaeda. it will be a much safer, you know platform for them to launch attacks on the west. most of the good drone strikes are with the help of the yemeni government. now that's going to be gone. so this is going to be a huge setback for the united states. >> so the houthi rebels still call the president of yemen the president. why would they do that? >> you know they are -- they don't want to admit they're dividing the country. they are very worried about saudi arabia. they want to confine this conflict. they're afraid the saudis are going to come in on the side of the president and the united states. they want to tampen down the conflict as much as they can. i don't think they'll succeed because at the end of the day saudi arabia's a sunni country and the houthis are zaidi shia and they are effectively allied with iran. there's all sorts of levels this is being played out at. anyhow it's a mess. >> it does sound like a mess.

and in the middle of all of this is the u.s. embassy in yemen. our diplomats are still there. should they be evacuated at this point? >> i would get them out. we don't need anymore dead american diplomats. they're there for symbolic reasons. american intelligence officers can't get out on the street. our military cooperation is effectively come to an end so i mean right now flying the flag in the middle of a civil war in yemen, obviously that's the call of the ambassador but if i were in washington i'd be getting very nervous at this point. >> bob baer thanks for your insight as usual. thanks so much. still to come in the "newsroom," the state of the union and the morning after. back in a minute. nearly 6 in 10 americans think the country's headed in the wrong direction. the president has a 50% approval rating but 60% of us think we're headed in the wrong direction which i guess means there's 10% out there like that we're heading in the wrong direction?

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>> announcer: this is cnn breaking news. we have new video coming in of a terror attack in tel aviv in israel. it happened on a bus in the middle of the city. a palestinian man according to authorities, went on that bus and began stabbing people. he ran off the bus and stabbed some other people. let's head toer residential er reeser residentialcesidentialce -- to to jerusalem and talk to elise labatt. >> this 23-year-old palestinian gentleman, a couple of stations from the main bus station in tel aviv central tel aviv, carol, during the start of rush showerhour women, children soldiers on this bus basically stabbed eight people. you can see in the video, the man gets off the bus, runs kind of running around.

sees another person stabs them and then tries to make his get away. carol, at this point he was discovered by some people that worked for the israeli prison authority. they saw the bus was stopped at a green light. people running off the bus. they went in pursuit of this palestinian man. they shot him in the leg. they arrested him, interrogated him and obviously searched the area to see if there were anymore suspects. there are not. right now he's in custody and tel aviv on high alert as is jerusalem, carol. >> was this the, you know what they call a lone wolf attack or is it something more? >> reporter: it does seem as it's a lone wolf attack. this is really carol, what we've seen as the new tactic in israel. last year there were a lot of instances of palestinians mowing down israelis with their cars particularly in jerusalem. we had that horrible stabbing in a jerusalem synagogue. these seem to be lone wolf

attacks. not necessarily connected with any terrorist group but certainly share their aspirations there's no indication that hamas was involved. hamas praised that. they said israelis deserved this and for his part prime minister benjamin netanyahu said this is the incitement against jews and anti-semitism that inspires people to take these attack carol. >> all right. i would like us to stop showing that video because it is disturbing because you see a woman on the street being stabbed. so we're going to stop showing that now. they're going to try to gather more information for us elise. they're going to gather more information. thanks so much. let's talk about the state of the union. president obama sounding confident and defiant in his state of the union. not at all like a lame duck. in spite of a mid-term route that was a refrerendum on his

policies it taunted his critics. here are some of the moments that got us talking. >> america, for all that we have endured, all the grit hard work required to come back for all the tasks that lie ahead, know this the shadow of crisis has passed and the state of the union is strong. since i've been president, we've worked responsibly to cut the population of gitmo in half. now it is time to finish the job, and i will not relent in my determination to shut it down. it is not who we are. that's why we defend free speech and advocate for political prisoners and condemn the persecution of women or religious minorities or people who are lesbian, gay, bisexual or transgender. we do these things not only be because they are the right thing

to do but ultimately they will make us safer. in two months to prepare us for those missions scott kelly will begin a year long stay in space. so good luck captain. make sure to instagram it. we stand united with people around the world who have been targeted by terrorists from a school in pakistan to the streets of paris. we will continue to hunt down terrorists and dismantle the networks and we reserve the right to act unilaterally as we have done relentlessly since i took office to take outer or lists that pose a direct threat to us and our allies. i have no more campaigns to run. my only agenda -- i know because i won both of them.

>> okay. so there we have the flavor of the night, and with the state of the union behind him, president obama will again return to the road to push middle class economics. a new cnn orc poll of americans who watched the president's speech showing that his ideas are actually gaining traction. before the speech just 57% of the president's policies would take the country in the right direction. after the president's state of the union that number surged nearly 20 points to 72%. hill ren hillary rosen and ana navorro welcome to you both. >> good morning, carol. >> good morning. i think what we can all agree on is like there won't be a shining bipartisan spirit in 2015 so let's talk about where we go from here. the biggest positive is that both sides agree that middle class wages have stagnated. i know everybody makes fun of mitt romney's pledge to raise people out of poverty, but i

actually think that it's great that he's talking about that. it's better than poverty shaming, right? by the way, i wrote an op ed on this thing, cnn.com/opinion in case you want to check it out. with that in mind hillary, first question to you. republicans are talking about lifting people out of poverty, and that's a good thing. so the question is why didn't the president talk about more bipartisan ideas so that we could solve the problem? >> well i agree with you. it is a good thing republicans are talking about poverty, and, you know the president really thinks that many of his ideas that he raised last night are applicable for republicans and things republicans have talked about for a long time. you know access to higher education is really important. there's probably nothing that this country could do to make a bigger difference for the future than get more people into college. we are lagging behind the rest of the world. secondly he talked about focusing on middle class tax cuts something that republicans should like.

the fact that he wants to pay for those tax cuts by increasing taxes on the top 1% of the country as -- >> something republicans -- >> very very popular, and republicans can -- but he's also offering to lower corporate taxes which republicans have wanted. there are a lot of things republicans could embrace here to say, all right, let's work together. the choice is really going to be up to them. >> let me ask you this ana. we shared that poll. 72% do like the idea of child care tax credits, right? free community college, but in a republican responses we didn't hear anything about those issues. why not? >> remember carol, anybody's response to a state of the union, we shouldn't even call it a response. the person doing the rebuttal hasn't heard. >> a lot of information out early. >> let me tell you, it's really going out on a limb to respond

to information that's out in the press before you actually hear the president say it these rebuttals following a state of the union, the pomp and circumstance big room applause and you are in one little enclosed room talking to a camera responding to a speech you hadn't heard before. so i think that what the republicans did, what senator joni ernst did was focus on some of the positive things that could be done. i did hear a tone of bipartisanship from jonie ernst and from the republican response. i heard some bipartisanship from president obama. not all of it. there were some glimmers of bipartisanship. we will focus on that. >> so you think there's hope that both sides will find solutions both can live with? >> i don't think they're going to find solutions for everything but i think there are issues like trade. i think there are issues like the war on terror like

supporting the war on isil that yes, he will find support from both sides on. and i think that's what should be focused on first. >> you know we saw several things for the middle class and for the workers that the president talked about last night that are very popular in republican states. you know the raise in minimum wage won at the ballot box in alaska nebraska places like that. there are things that if republicans want to work together on that they can do that really will help working people. >> well let's hope you're both right because this has been a more positive conversation than i expected and i like that. thanks to you both. >> it's 9:00 in the morning, carol. we have plenty of time during the day to go negative. >> we're the onptomists. >> we're the optomists at cnn. hillary rosen, ana navorro

thank you so much. visit cnn.com/opinion for my op ed. a new face delivering the republican response and possibly a new image for the gop. joni ernst, the newly elected senator from iowa. you might remember her campaign about castrating hogs and vowing to make them squeal in washington. >> i'm joni ernst. i grew up castrating hogs on an iowa farm so when i get to washington i'll know how to cut pork. >> more importantly, ernst is a combat veteran, and in a minute we'll show you the silent salute she gave to the military but first let's listen to her story of a hard scrabble upbringing on an iowa farm. >> as a young girl i plowed the fields of our family farm. i worked construction with my dad. to save for college i worked the morning biscuit line at hardy's. we were raised to live simply not to waste. it was a lesson my mother taught

me every rainy morning. you see, growing up i had only one good pair of shoes so on rainy school days my mom would slip plastic bread bags over them to keep them dry, but i was never embarrassed because the school bus would be filled with rows and rows of young iowans with bread bags slipped over their feet. our parents may not have had much but they worked hard for what they did have. >> all right. joining me now to talk about this cnn chief congressional correspondent, dana bash. a very populus message. >> reporter: very populus message. they knew what they were getting when they chose joni ernst. by they i mean republican leaders. they were very much and their teams were very much intimately involved in writing this speech. and the whole point that she was making at the beginning was that she didn't want to respond.

ana was saying she couldn't respond because they don't see the speech ahead of time. she wanted to put forward what republicans are going to propose now that they have full governing power here in the united states congress. but just sort of theme maatically to have a woman, an iraq combat vet, to have someone talking about being impoverished those kinds of values that is absolutely key for what republicans are trying to put across when you have democrats saying that republicans are, you know just out for the wealthiest americans and that that's where they want to help americans with the tax code and so on and so forth. one other interesting point that i want to give you is that while she was giving this response obviously in english, republicans chose to do a spanish language response as well. and the congressman carlos corbello from florida gave his own personal story, but the two

speeches differed in a very interesting way, carol. he talked about immigration reform again to his spanish-speaking audience she did not. so it kind of gives you a very good sense of where the republican party is and the conflict that it has. they know that they have to reach out to hispanics, but at the same time if they do that to their core base they risk angering them. >> understand. okay. so i'm going to be a little shallow right now. actually the camouflaged shoes is not shallow. that was pretty cool. i want to talk to you about michelle obama's suit. let's first talk about the camouflage shoes, dana. >> reporter: look you know it is definitely -- they're a statement shoe. i have statement shoes. you have statement shoes. this is a very different kind of statement shoe. she knows how to get attention. she knows how to make a splash. she showed that the ad that made her famous politically, the castrating hogs ad. this is another way. this is her calling card.

everybody knows her for the hog ad but she clearly wants people to know her because she is also lieutenant colonel in the iowa national guard and she wears that very proudly from head to toe. >> okay. so while i have you around i do want to talk about michelle obama's suit because it was funny that somebody noticed this. so apparently michelle obama wore this michael kors suit and it was exactly the same suit that the main character in "the good wife" wore. i have to say it's a great suit. >> it's a beautiful suit. "the good wife" this is giving you more information, it's scary that i know this they have a designer of their clothes who is putting it on the market now but doesn't -- probably isn't michael koors level when it comes to expense and obviously that's a different kind of suit but isn't it gorgeous? it really is. >> it is. >> reporter: we talk about a lot of substance. we can talk about style, too. >> i'm glad.

we do it off air so we might as well on air. some more specifics about the suit. the jacket costs $797. michael koors. it's an origami color tweed jacket. michael koors tweeted about it and his tweet read the state of style. pretty powerful. thank you, dana. >> reporter: thanks, carol. >> i'll be right back. i've been called a control freak... i like to think of myself as more of a control... enthusiast. mmm, a perfect 177-degrees. and that's why this road warrior rents from national. i can bypass the counter and go straight to my car. and i don't have to talk to any humans, unless i want to. and i don't. and national lets me choose any car in the aisle. control. it's so, what's the word?... sexy. go national. go like a pro.

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and good morning. i'm carol costello. thank you so much for joining me. in last night's state of the union president obama took some jabs at republicans and made what sounded like campaign promises for the future but he also took what some are calling a victory lap in the fight against terror. >> instead of sending large ground forces overseas we're partnering with nations from south asia to north africa to deny safe haven to terrorists who threaten america. in iraq in syria american leadership including our military power, is stopping isil's advance.

>> but the fact remains that isis or isil as the president calls it continues to terrorize iraq and syria. the taliban stepping up attacks in afghanistan as american troops end their combat mission and yemen is on the verge of collapse as insurgents stage a coup. it doesn't feel like we're gaining the upper hand against terrorists and extremists. let's talk about that. i'm joined by bill richardson the former governor of new mexico and a former ambassador and former u.s. energy secretary. welcome, sir. >> thank you, carol. >> thanks for being here. ambassador richardson, is the president risking a mission accomplished moment by saying what he said last night? >> i believe this was his strongest speech strongest state of the union speech. he was cocky, he was confident. he seems liberated after the loss in the election in november. he's moved forward with a stronger economy, executive

action on deportation and immigration. the cuba initiative a wrath of middle class proposals, community college. it's as if he's concerned about the direction of the country and his legacy and why i'm optimistic i know there's a lot of pessimists out there, is republicans have to respond. they want to capture the presidency in 2016 and, secondly they want to keep control in congress. so i see the potential for compromise on a lot of issues not right away but i do see some glimmer of hope in this dysfunctional government that has taken over and that might be replaced by some reasonable compromises. >> well republicans have already responded. one, john mccain, senator john mccain called president obama's leadership on foreign policy a shameless strategy. is he right? >> no he's not right.

i think what the president has done is he's assembled a coalition over 60 countries in the fight against isis and ice citysit -- and isil. i think what you're seeing is a president that has said okay we've gotten out of iraq and afghanistan, now we have a new challenge of terrorism. now we have to find ways to deal with some of the countries that we've had differences. cuba and latin america. let's have an immigration that affects central america and mexico and affects our own hispanic population. let's find ways to have a trade agenda with asia and europe that brings together more jobs and more economic activity. i sense the president's been liberated. he's like a man on a mission to achieve a lasting legacy and this was, i think, his strongest speech. and i think the republicans, even though the next day everybody has to make their political statements are going

to be angry. they're going to have to say, look do we want to be the party of obstructionism or do we want to work with the president and they might come out with some pluses for the 2016 election? >> well the republicans seized the moment once again because the house speaker, john boehner, he's now invited benjamin netanyahu to address a joint session of congress, and if you could stick around just to talk about this governor because you know there was a terror attack in tel aviv earlier today. dana bash has more information on what john boehner is suggesting. tell us more dana. >> reporter: this is happening as we speak, carol. the house speaker is telling this behind closed doors to rank and file republicans, that he has unilaterally on his own without the white house invited the israeli prime minister to address a joint session of congress on february 11th. the reason why this is so -- such a big moment surprising moment no other way to put it a big poke in the eye to president obama, is because they

want the prime minister to come and address the fact that they believe that he's wrong on iran. that the president has said in private and public please do not pass more sanctions against iran and in the words of the speaker, prepared remarks that we got from a republican source that he's giving again as we speak behind closed doors talking about the president, his exact message to us was hold your fire. he expects us to stand by idly and do nothing while he cuts a bad deal with iran. two words, hell no. we're not going to do any such thing. so that gives you a sense of why they invited the prime minister. just another bit of context and background here the general protocol for this kind of thing is when you have a world leader coming and addressing congress is for congress to consult with the white house. understanding is that that was not done on purpose, that they wanted to do this on their own and it appears that that kind of

move is unprecedented to do this. >> well governor i'm sorry to put you on the spot but you have so much experience in so many areas, and we really want your insight. what do you think of this? >> well i think it's fine. benjamin netanyahu, israel they're strong allies. the united states israeli prime ministers have addressed the congress i recall sitting through several addresses by israeli prime ministers. this is good. unfortunately, maybe there's a little protocol violation in not informing the white house, but i don't think the white house is going to object. the issue here is iran sanctions. the president was very clear. he said that he's going to veto iran sanctions if the congress sends him a bill to do that because we're in the midst of negotiations because our allies are supporting these negotiations. i personally am concerned about these discussions with iran. i don't trust iran. i think that they're -- you

know they have american marines in prisoned american journalists imprisoned. i don't believe they can be trusted so i'd want to see a final deal before i supported it but there's a lot of domestic politics here. i think speaker boehner wants to seize the moment after a state of the union address that has been largely positive by the president, but the point is israel addressing the congress this has happened before. this is our -- perhaps our strongest ally along with great britain. >> if i could ask you just another question about iran because, correct me if i'm wrong, dana but the administration's concern is is if more sanctions are passed against iran that might cause maybe a war and more conflict. do you -- go ahead, dana. >> reporter: i was going to say, what their concern is is that it will -- it will disrupt the unity that is now -- that now exists between the u.s. and other countries, that there's a unified push to get iran to

agree to this deal that they've been working on for a very long time, but i just want to say one thing. ever the diplomat governor richardson is saying it's not a big deal. the governor knows that benjamin netanyahu and president obama have not had the best of relationships and that netanyahu privately, maybe to him, i certainly know to other republicans, has been apoplectic about the deal that is in the works between john kerry, the secretary of state, and other members of this team this coalition, and iran. so that's another reason why this kind of poke in the eye really is a poke in the eye. >> so ambassador -- i know you're a diplomat. how do you respond? >> well i did say that if the white house was not notified this is a little bit of a protocol issue, but, look it's israel. if it were great britain, mexico strong allies it's not

much of an issue, but, again, the whole problem is iran sanctions. the president was simply saying if you send me a bill that increases sanctions, disrupting negotiations upsetting our allies i'm going to veto it. that was a show of strength that the congress which probably has the votes to pass sanctions. foreign leaders many times the vibes aren't the best. obama, netanyahu, yeah there's been some tension but in terms of the alliance with israel the alliance in the middle east vital alliance this is -- this is going to be treated, i believe, as an effort to show support of the american people through the congress for israel and we should do that. >> all right. dana bash thanks for the big breaking news this morning. i appreciate it.

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it wasn't all about the economy, cuba and terror last night. president obama did take time to mention recent police tensions in places like ferguson and new york. >> we may have different takes on the events of ferguson and new york but surely we can understand a father who fears his son can't walk home without being harassed and surely we can understand the wife who won't rest until the police officer she married walks through the front door at the end of the shift. surely we can agree that it's a good thing for the first time in 40 years the crime rate and incarceration rate have come down together and use that as a starting point for democrats and republicans, community leaders and law enforcement to reform america's criminal justice system so that it protects and serves all of us.

>> for some it didn't go far enough. events in ferguson and new york no mention of ohio and no naming of victims, just events and kids coming home but others praise president obama. quote, the fact that barack obama mentioned ferguson at all matters. let's talk with jermaine reed. he was inviteds to the state of the union. council man, thank you so much for joining me. >> thank you so much for having me carol. >> thanks. i must admit, i'm curious. what was it like to be in the room? >> well it was a pretty good feeling last night just to be there, but to also listen to the president and talk about many of the issues that face many of us americans and certainly with the people that i represent back in kansas city and to see all of our world -- our nation's leaders in one room at one time you know -- >> let me ask you about that council man.

>> sure. >> most americans don't have a high opinion of our leaders these days, right. you mentioned what an amazing feeling it was to be in a room with so many of america's leaders. so that still says that we have a certain amount of awe in the way our country runs right? >> well absolutely. you know i think the things that the president tried to point out yesterday is that we have to roll up our sleeves and work together beings and we in cities expect for our leaders to actually do that. there are so many issues an issue of ferguson and so many other issues that we expect for our leaders to actually work on. if it's not transportation if it's not making sure that we have marketplace fairness passed. there's a lot of things that have to be addressed and passed. i think the president did that yesterday. >> do you agree that president obama brushed over ferguson? >> let me say this. that is a difficult speech to give at the state of the union.

none of us has had an opportunity to do that besides 44 people. for the president to mention the fact that people's lives matter but then also touch on it without going into detail i don't think he brushed over it. i think that he did what he had to do to make sure he recognizes that there's tough times for all of us but everybody's lives matter and there has to be strong partnerships with police departments and communities working together. in kansas city i think we're really doing that with a number of efforts that we have underway to make sure that we have strong relationships with the police department and also our community and cities across the country have to work to do that. i think everyone agrees. if there wasn't a time that everyone stood up. that was a time that everyone did. >> that's good. that's very good. because the president also mentioned police and the difficult job they face and the difficulties their families face every night, you know wondering whether they'll come home and will be all right. so we have to walk that line too, as president of the united

states right? >> well absolutely. there are so many people black boys brown all over that really fear a lot of times for their life and they shouldn't have to feel that way, especially when it comes to police officers and having to look behind their back. there's also black-on-black crime and people killing each other. we have to work on reducing that in our communities and the president outlined ways we can do that. we expect for our leaders in congress to work towards ways to make sure that we have funding and other things to address that. >> all right. councilman jermaine reed thank you for joining me. i appreciate it. >> thank you. new details from the black boxes of airasia flight 8501. alarms screaming, warning pilots the jet was stalling seconds before it crashed. we'll talk about that next.

it is the single worse feeling i think i've ever had in my life and it continues to be that that moment of that phone call will haunt me forever. we've carried 250 million people 13 years very safely and it is not something that you can really put into words when that call comes through. >> the words of ceo tony fernandez, and his first interview since the crash of airasia 8501. this morning we're learning the highly anticipated preliminary report slated to be released in a few days will not actually be made public. families will now have to wait for the full crash report and that could come as late as december but there are new details about the flight's final moments. a hearing yesterday revealing the plane climbed too fast and

then stalled. here's the plane cruising at 32,000 feet according to flight data within seconds that plane climbed 6,000 feet. here's how steep that would be. the move happening twice as fast as it should have. investigators say alarms were probably screaming in the if you're curious to what that sounds like we have an example. let's talk about these new findings. mary joins us via skype. >> good morning, carol. >> what would it be like in the cockpit during the time the alarms would be going off? >> the alarm you just played was just one of the many alarms that would have probably been going off because the climb rate exceeded what the plane is designed to do. at this flight level, at this altitude it was two times or three times more than what it

should have been doing. there would have been engine alarms going off, overspeed warnings pitch warnings. this was one of probably many alarms. there could have been a dozen alarms going off and so when the investigators say what they are doing is try to filter out all of the alarms so they can hear what the pilots are saying they single out each line in the recording so they can analyze each one separately. it's a big task. it will take some time. >> when people wonder why the pilots didn't call in a distress signal they were probably pretty busy and that's why, right? >> they were very busy. a lot of the indicators in that cockpit would have been giving them conflicting information. no pilot would have put this plane in a climb that exceeds what it should have been doing by two to three times. 6,000 feet per second and the maximum on this plane is 3,500. at this altitude they should

have been under. we know there was terrible weather. they probably encountered a horrific updraft, the winds could have been tail wind and then a headwind so they would have got conflicting readings off instruments. with warnings going off and conflicting readings, they were fighting probably like crazy and that's what you hear on cockpit voice recordings with the pilot fighting all of the way down. >> if the plane was climbing at 6,000 feet per minute how would that have felt inside the plane? >> the passengers would have been pulling at least 1 or 2 gs. it wouldn't have been enough to black out. you would feel like you're on a fighter jet taking off of a carrier. they take off and you see in pictures of riders off the end of a carrier and they pitch up dramatically. that's what it would have felt

like. passengers would have been driven down into their seats and felt like they weighed twice what they do but they wouldn't have blacked out. >> so as the plane ascends that quickly, what happens to make it crash? >> what happens and what investigators are saying they are sure happened is the plane stalled. the plane has pitched up so dramatically that a couple things could have happened. one, you interrupt the airflow over the wings. you have to keep airflow going over the wings at a speed to give the plane lift. that would have been destroyed. in addition you may have lost engines climbing this quickly and undoubtedly with just torrential rains. probably not hail. torrential rains could have caused most engines to be lost. you don't have enough air speed wind over your wings and you're losing your engines, the plane falls off to the left and right

and goes down like a fluttering leaf. >> thank you so much.

pn the nfl now says the new england patriots did indeed use almost a dozen underinflated footballs during the afc championship game on sunday. as you well know the pats won that game and face-off against the seattle seahawks in the super bowl next month. this isn't the first time that patriots have been in hot water over -- you could say cheating. in 2007 bill belichick was slapped with a fine for spying on the other team's signals. hi john berman. a great op-ed about this. i have to show people these headlines. they made me laugh because i'm a detroit lions fan.

slime balls. you can see what it says. and this is in "the daily news." what a pair. a huge football fan. you follow patriots all of your life when you were in the womb. this is painful. >> if patriots deflated balls intentionally, the word for it is cheating. that's what they call it. they call it cheating. regulations say they have to be inflated to a certain point and the reason you would deplate aflate a ball is because it would make it easier to grip. this one has less air in it. i get a better grip here. it was rainy during this game. >> i have very small hands. >> it was rainy out that day. it could have been that the patriots deflated the ball so tom brady could get a better grip on it.

>> wouldn't the other team have the same advantage? >> once the game starts the referee inspects all of the balls before the game to make sure they're the right pressure and each team takes their own set of footballs to their sideline and control their own set of footballs when they are on offense. what happened was the colts picked off tom brady once. almost impossible to do that because he's so perfect. the guy that picked off the ball said this patriots ball seems not to have enough air in it. the coach reported it and now we learn that 11 of 12 footballs have too little air in it. >> he says he doesn't even pay attention to such things. tom brady surely knew he was flowing a deflated ball. >> the difference between fully inflated and deflated i don't know if it's perceptive. could it have been a coincidence

or a ball boy that didn't do it with telling anyone else on the team? it's hard to believe which is why the nfl has a serious issue on their hand. they have a team going to the super bowl that may have cheated in the afc championship game. what do you do if you're the nfl? >> i'm a lions fan. i only have to worry about my players stomping on people and kicking people in the head. >> you get a flag for it. this they found out after the game and colts players say wait a minute. they lost 45-7 the colts did. would it have made a difference in the outcome? who knows. if it helped the patriots that's the definition of cheating. >> where can we find your opinion piece? it's on my facebook page. >> i posted something on cnn.com. i said i'm a patriots fan. shame on me. i'm livid at the patriots if they did this. and i don't know what to do. i cheer for the patriots. i put my kids in tom brady jerseys. can i put