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hi there. i'm brooke baldwin. you're watching cnn. we begin with breaking news. just an absolute stomach-churning barbaric piece of video that's just been posted online by isis supporters. this jordanian pilot captured by isis when his jet went down and thrust into the center of hostage trade talks appears to have been burned alive while trapped in a cage. it is incredibly difficult to imagine a more brutal murder than a beheading with a dull knife, but this video shows isis may have found a new and even more disgusting way to kill. let me be 100% transparent here. cnn has decided we will absolutely not show any of these appalling pictures out of the respect for the families and to avoid showcasing this brutal isis propaganda. but i will tell you, i have chosen not to watch this video. i have several colleagues who have watched it, who have described to me exactly what
they've seen. they say it is extremely, highly produced very sophisticated. you see this pilot first speaking into the camera. he's then walked in front of a line of armed isis fighters and then in the next frame, it shows him standing in this cage. two isis terrorists light some kind of fuel-soaked line which then quickly trails toward the cage. he's then heard screaming over and over as he is engulfed in flames. joining me now live in jordan.
>> hundreds of people showed up and were chanting that they will sacrifice their blood and their souls for al kasasbeh. we also heard from the jordanian government and jordanian military. they say that kasasbeh was killed last month. it's not how clear the jordanian government knows this. the video was just released but he had been killed last month. they say this is why. over the past few days as you recall they had been insisting on that proof of life. they have been demanding it from isis for any possible prisoner swap deal that may have gone -- that they were discussing. the government spokesman saying those were dirty games by aye circumstances bringing up the jordan jordanian pilot in the discussion of the release of the
japanese hostage. they were dragging him into this although he had already been killed and the jordanian government knew he had been killed. that's why they insisted on their demand. this evening this country is in mourning. it's a very somber mood across jordan. this man was seen as a national hero by many. we're hearing what the jordanian military and government are promising tonight. they say his blood will not be wasted that it will not be shed in vain and they will retaliate. the revek, they say, is going to be on the same level of the jordanian tragedy. perhaps the message here that jordan will continue to fight in that coalition, fighting isis despite so much speculation about where jordan stands right now after this has happened. there's been so much domestic pressure on the country. many here saying that if jordan had not been part of this
coalition, coalition, then jordan would not have been in this situation. >> thank you so much. we also are reporting that king abdullah who's been in washington, d.c., will be cutting his trip short to return home. he recorded something for the people of jordan that will be airing on jordanian tv in the coming hours. moments ago, we heard from president obama getting his raw reaction to what he calls the barbarity of isis. >> i just got word of the video that had been released. i don't know the details of the confirmations, but should in fact this video be authentic, it's just one more indication of the viciousness and barbarity of this organization. and i think it will redouble the vigilance and determination on the part of a global coalition
to make sure that they are degraded and ultimately defeated. and it also just indicates the degree to which whatever ideology they're operating off of it's bankrupt. >> president obama just a little while ago. gentlemen, let me bring you in. cnn dploeblglobal affairs analyst david rhode is joining me as well as daniel bulger. david, let me begin with you. it's one thing when you talk about murders, to know that isis has decapitated multiple hostages. but to have a 27-year-old man walked past isis fighters doused in obviously some kind of flammable liquid placed in a cage and lit on fire why?
>> well i think in their world, they think in effect of tactic. when i was in captivity, there was a sense that particularly in the west we fear death, that we wanted to enjoy the pleasures of this world and that if they killed enough americans, we would essentially give up. what's different about this is that this is a jordanian pilot. this is a fellow muslim. obviously most people that isis kills are muslims, but this kind of brutality, it's not clear, but this could be a turning point. i think this will backfire on them. >> how do you mean? >> well i just think this tribe he's from in jordan is horrified. isis wants it to be the west versus isis. what's really happening is a civil war if you will for the future of the middle east and who is the true muslim or not. there's many moderate muslims that will be absolutely horrified by this and this will i think, work against isis. >> it explains general -- and listen we weren't at all privy as members of the public to any sort of negotiations if that's even a word that isis would use
bark and forth as jordan said listen we would be interested in swapping. we would like to have our jordanian pilot back in exchange. we may be willing to give you back this woman, this failed suicide bomber who's been on death row in jordan. now knowing, according to at least jordanian tv that he was killed this pilot was killed back on january 3rd, talking about backfireing in terms of any future discussions with isis. don't you think this speaks volumes volumes, general? >> i think it does. what it's telling us brooke is isis -- they're not a legitimate organization. they're terrorists. having a discussion with them like you're talking to the government of france or italy or japan, it's just not going to happen. they've shown in the case of this jordanian pilot how they're going to treat their captives. and in my view that indicates that normal dealings with them is going to be very difficult, and i think it should redouble the coalition's efforts to take these guys out. >> and general, let me stay with you. i was listening to something
barbara starr, our pentagon correspondent, was telling us which was just speaking about the jordanian military this is a smaller group of individuals. it is incredibly honorable. this will hit the jordanians especially hard losing this 27-year-old. >> absolutely. kasasbeh is an air force pilot. it's an elite group of men and women who are carefully trained and highly motivated. king abdullah himself is a military guy. he's a graduate of the royal military academy in great britain. he understands what it means to serve. he's serving his people now as king. when they talk that they're going to avenge this pilot's death, they're not kidding. they're going to go in there, get the best intelligence they can, and they're going to go after isis and make it hurt. >> you know on that note and david, this is for you, we've gotten two statements. one jordanian government
spokesperson saying those who were doubting the jordanian response to this evil we will show them the proof. and from the spokesman for the general commander of the jordanian armed forces part of the statement, the armed forces mourns the martyred hero and emphasizes his blood will not be wasted and its punishment of those who assassinated him will be in the same level of the jordanian tragedy. >> what's important here and what jordan's biggest asset is its intelligence service. they are excellent at this. they played a major role in the killing of zarkawi in iraq. it was a tip they obtained. they can infiltrate syria. they can do things that frankly the cia can't do. if there's a commitment from jordan's military and its intelligence service to really penetrate isis with their intelligence service, that's a very effective tool. again, that's why this is such a big moment. more effective than what we can do. >> to your point about this backfiring huge ramifications. stay with me.
actually both of you stay with me. i have more to ask of both of you in terms of the response both from jordan and from also from isis. but coming up next we have to take a closer look at this failed suicide bomber this woman, and why she means so much to this terrorist organization. plus moments ago the judge dismissing a juror in the trial of aaron hernandez in massachusetts, the former nfl star accused of first-degree murder. hear what she apparently did but did not reveal. that's ahead. i'm brooke baldwin. you're watching cnn's special live coverage. your daughter has a brilliant idea for her science project. and you could make it happen. right? wrong. because you're not you you're a cancer hospital and your daughter... she's a team of leading researchers... and that brilliant idea is a breakthrough in patient treatment that could save thousands of lives. which means you need a diverse team of advisors helping you. from research data analytics all the way to transformation of clinical care. so you call pwc. the right people to get the extraordinary done.
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you're watching cnn. i'm brooke baldwin. back to our breaking news. until just days ago, jordan demanded that isis release its fighter pilot in exchange for this female failed suicide bomber on death row in jordan. now that pilot is dead burned alive, a month ago? this gruesome scene apparently captured by isis video. but one of the questions that remains here is why did isis
want this particular woman? brian todd has some answers. >> reporter: november 2005 sajida al ra shau wee and her husband are part of a bomb of suicide bombers who attacked three hotels in amman jordan. by all acts al rashawi -- >> my husband took a quarter and i took another one. there was a wedding in the hotel. my husband executed and detonate detonated his belt. i tried to detonate mine, but i failed. >>. >> reporter: she ran from the scene but was later captured. sajida had reportedly been motivated by revenge. >> we know that one of her eldest brothers was very close to an al qaeda commander and was
given charge of some part of the region and that her first husband was also a part of al qaeda. two other brothers were killed all killed by americans in the operations in iraq. >> one of her brothers who was killed was a top lieutenant to al zarkawi, the murderous leader of al qaeda in iraq which morphed into isis. analysts say that brother might have been of the same rank and close to the current leader of isis. >> she's probably not a great jihadi operative. what she is is a propaganda piece. she's someone you put in front of the camera and she says the right things and praises isis for even nine years later never forgetting about her. >> let's continue this conversation. standing by i have cnn global affairs analyst david rohde, who was held captive for seven months by the taliban.
also with me general bulger author of "why we lost." david, let me return to you. you expressed a notion that i had somebody recently texting me saying wait a second this could be king abdullah of jordan essentially calling the bluff on isis. he damn well knew probably that this pilot had been killed. so this perhaps was his way of going ahead and saying this is my way of galvanizing the people of jordan who have not been so sure on this u.s.-led coalition war, to get them behind this war on terror. >> it does look like the jordanian government handled this well. they probably did know. i mentioned earlier they have tremendous intelligence assets. they're very smart. they said okay we will release this woman. give us proof of life of this pilot, knowing he was probably dead. i think, again, they handled this very effectively. the question is how does the revenge get carried out? you mentioned during the break this woman, you know, they could
execute her. i would be very surprised if they do that. they're very clever about this. they'll move slowly. they'll turn tribes in jordan and iraq and syria against isis and be very methodical about how to make them pay a price. >> general, would you agree with david? do you think jordan given everything you know that they would not execute this failed suicide bomber this iraqi woman who's on death row in jordan? or do you think the opposite that in the wake of this brutality, that they would expedite her execution? >> brooke i think david's nailed it. the jordanian effort there's going to be a public effort. you'll see bombing missions and things like that that will produce footage and produce some damage to isis targets. then there will be the part we don't see, the mobilization of the tribal groups the use of jordanian intelligence to carry out a long-term effort to star tearing the insides out of isis. it'll be a coordinated effort and the jordanians know what they're doing. >> what do they do with this
woman, then if anything? >> well brooke i think they're going to hold her. she's on death row right now. so they've already gone through the court system and all that. but she serves a jordanian purpose as well because she's a rallying point as being a representative of isis. as long as she's there and not executed that prevents isis from using more propaganda against them. the jordanians are playing a very long game. i hope the united states is smart enough to join in. >> you know, we're just turning this video around. this is video in from jordan. people shouting "revenge revenge." that's the thing, david. if you have this huge population that has been not so sure about this u.s.-led war we don't want to fight this u.s. fight, then you have one of their own, this arab who was killed by isis. how does -- and we're waiting to hear from king abdullah. how does he tell jordanians we
have to continue this fight, or is that not his message? >> well, it's his message and his decision. it's one of the critical opportunities now, to not send in american ground troops. let this struggle inside the region and inside the religion play itself out. we do have allies here. jordan is an ally. help them the way, you know, they want. maybe just quietly weapons and money, but let them do the fighting. that's the strategy that will marginalize extremists. the king himself knows how to rally the jordanian people. we don't. the white house doesn't know how to do that. again, it's a very big moment. >> we'll wait to hear from him. general bulger and david, thank you very much. we're going to watch this very very closely. over the course of the next couple hours, more on our breaking news. we'll look at the complicated foreign policy questions ahead and how the u.s. reacts to this new isis video. plus new complications today in
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well we now know a juror has been dismissed in the trial of aaron hernandez. you know he's the former new england patriot accused of orchestrating this deadly shooting of his friend odin lloyd in the summer of 2013. monday a winter storm pushed back the proceedings, and now problems with one of the jurors a female juror, has caused further delays. cnn's miguel marquez is live outside that courthouse in fall river, massachusetts. miguel what happened? >> reporter: well keep in mind this is day two of testimony in a trial that may last ten weeks. already we have a juror
dismissed. this sounds like a woman who was pro-aaron hernandez, essentially. the judge, after a lengthy discussion this morning, first as a side bar, then dismissing throwing everybody out of the courtroom, hearing evidence and testimony from individuals who came in. one of them may have been a state trooper. this woman, the judge said was wanted to be on this case had made specific references and talked about the case over the last two years, specifically telling someone that the absence of a weapon made it hard for any jury to come to a conclusion or to find him guilty. also saying that she had attended more patriots games than she had indicated on the juror questionnaire. and saying that the recollections of her conversations with certain individuals just were not supported by the facts. in order to get a fair trial and make sure this woman didn't taint the rest of the jury or the process, got to kick her right out. brooke? >> what happens next? minus this juror, do they pop in
an alternate? is anyone talking about a mistrial? >> reporter: well no one is talking about a mistrial. that was the concern on both sides, if this juror were to stay. they have now 17 jurors 12 women, 5 men. at the end of this once all the testimony is heard, they'll select who will actually go on that 12-person jury. they'll then deliberate. we don't know that until the end of the trial. then they will move on. brooke? >> all right. miguel marquez, thank you. next here on cnn, much more on our breaking news. how will the united states react to this new barbaric isis video appearing to show the murder of the jordanian fighter pilot standing in a cage and burned alive. we'll take you live to the white house. plus any moment king abdullah of jordan who happened to be on a preplanned visit in washington, d.c. right now he's expected to speak as crowds are coming together in jordan.
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you're watching cnn. i'm brooke baldwin. more on our breaking news here as isis video appears to show a jordanian pilot being burned alive inside of a cage. now you hear these shouts and you're looking at this video from amman, jordan where these crowds are coming together in the wake of this video. they're calling, they're shouting they want revenge. assuming against isis. the jordanian government says this fighter pilot was killed
january 3rd. just a short time ago, president obama reacted to news about the video's release, saying isis is only interested in death and destruction. >> should in fact this video be authentic, it's just one more indication of the viciousness and barbarity of this organization. and i think it will redouble the vigilance and determination on the part of a global coalition to make sure that they are degraded and ultimately defeated. and it also just indicates the degree to which whatever ideology they're operating off of it's bankrupt. >> the national security council says it is working to authenticate the video and that the u.s.s is calling for the release of all isis prisoners.
let's go to the white house to our torrent michelle kosinski. what are you hearing? >> we heard the national security council also strongly condemn isis' violent acts as we expected them to. when we heard the president speak just then he said he felt this would redouble the vigilance and determination of the coalition against isis, including of course jordan, which has been a key party and partner in dealing with the humanitarian crisis as a result of isis in syria. so what does that mean? redouble the efforts of the coalition. we asked the white house today, does that mean we're going to see something different come out of the coalition? is the u.s. going to act differently? we didn't have the chance to ask the president himself what he meant by that but what the press secretary said in response was this that, you know we're likely to see some increased effort from jordan, from what they've been saying. they're likely to retaliate. but the press secretary said he
felt the president was referring mainly to the commitment and determination on the part of the coalition. we also asked about the timing of this video. i mean coming out on the day that the jordanian king is in washington meeting with the vice president and secretary of state kerry, do they feel that this was timed because of that? we've heard analysts say they think that's likely. also the jordanians have been keeping this visit of king abdullah to washington pretty much low profile. but the white house itself wouldn't weigh in on that timing. the press secretary said he couldn't imagine the thinking of this organization but he did say that if the goal of this video was to try to weaken the resolve of coalition partners that he felt it would have the opposite effect, only steeling the resolve. >> you talk about king abdullah being in washington. we know he recorded a message for the people of jordan. he could still be speaking. we're going to watch and wait to
see if he speaks. michelle kosinski thank you very much. let's get more insight with cnn political commentator peter binart. he's a contributing editor at "the atlantic" and "the national journal." wonderful to have you on. we were just talking a moment ago, you were saying the more horrendous and barbaric isis becomes, the weaker they sexually are politically. >> i think that's right. this is after all a war for hearts and minds. there are some people out there attracted to these horrific videos. but a much much larger group of people in the muslim and arab world are absolutely repulsed. you see these in the scenes we're seeing in jordan. this was not popular in jordan. people in jordan are not interested in fighting for america in the middle east. america is not popular in jordan.
when you see a handsome jordanian pilot from a powerful jordanian tribe humiliated and burned to death, i think it makes the politics for the king of jordan much much easier for him to be involved in this coalition. i think it's similar to what we saw in pakistan where the taliban after this barbaric killing of these school children in december really rally and mobilized even fairly conservative anti-american elements in pakistani society against them. >> how does this change the equation for jordan? a, in terms of the involvement. you mentioned this is a population that's not interested in this war. as we wait to hear from king abdullah how do -- what do you think his message to his people will be? >> i think it changes it. isis was always a threat to the king of jordan, to the political control of the ruling class. now i think it will be seen by certainly at least by jordan's bettowin population as a war
against them a war against the people of jordan. i think that's going to mean a government that's much more able to mobilize its society against isis because now, really this -- they have been attacked. it's not like it was just some americans who were being killed in a war that jordan was dragged into. >> so when we hear the president of the united states talking about redoubling the efforts of the coalition, this could potentially be jordan for example -- you know i was talking to the general a moment ago, saying this could be taking members of these tribes in jor and did and trying to infiltrate isis. what about this woman, this iraqi woman whose husband's bomb successfully went off in 2005. she had the bomb strapped around her. she's on death row in jordan. what happens with her, if anything? >> well you can imagine political pressure to kill her. i think that would be a very popular decision in jordan right now. >> but. >> but i think they will probably -- my guess would be that the king probably doesn't go in that direction. what he focuses on is fighting
this threat of isis which he says is a threat to jordan and to the values of the people of jordan and the middle east. remember these are basically largely tribal societies. if you go back to the war in iraq in 2006 when the united states started to have some success, it was because tribes sunni tribes broke against al qaeda and against the insurgency. this is what -- this will be the most important development, i think, in fighting against isis. powerful sunni tribes across these different countries turning against isis and willing to take up arms against them. this may be a step in that direction. >> peter, thank you so much. >> thank you. next stay with cnn's special coverage of the breaking news. also ahead, an alarming cnn report going behind the scenes exposing a potential gap in airport security. wait until you see what we found going behind the scenes.
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a potential major hole in airport security is the focus of this hearing right now on capitol hill. unlike passengers who have to go through tsa screening just to get on a plane, a lot of airport workers move about with relative freedom. that includes easy access to aircraft to all those concourses and other secure areas inside an airport. that security gap came to light last year when federal agents broke up that gun-smuggling operation in atlanta, allegedly run by that baggage handler and an accomplice. i want you to look at what senior correspondent drew griffin found out. >> reporter: at miami international airport, this is the security you don't see standing in line. cnn got exclusive access to the screening that takes place for what they call the back of the airport employees. these are the baggage handlers the mechanics, the cleaners
anyone you don't see going through screening with passengers. it's the same screening no matter what kind of security badge or security clearance the employee holds. >> i.d.s are not enough to stop malicious intent. you can look at someone's background but it's not going to necessarily prevent them from carrying out some kind of malicious activity against an airport. >> reporter: what may surprise you is what's happening at miami's international airport, the full screening of every airport employee is the exception, not the rule. cnn contacted 20 of the major airports across the country and found screening of employees is random and partial at best and no national standard exists. the only other major airport that does full screening is orlando. many airports like seattle's
sea-tac, telling us an extensive background check and security badge is all that's needed for employees to get on the tarmac and gain access to airplanes. it's a similar story we heard from dallas san francisco, las vegas, los angeles even jfk in new york. pass a background check, get a badge, and you have access to the inner workings of america's airports without going through the same screening passengers face up top. airport officials have told cnn the cost of screening all employees is simply too much for their budgets. security expert wayne black says relying on badges for security is stupid. >> you don't have to be a security expert. a fifth grader can tell you that if you're checking security at the top end, at the front end at the airport, you ought to be checking at the back end at the airport. we have a saying in our business. that is budget-driven security
will always fail. >> reporter: the tsa, which sets standards for airport security says that the wake of the gun-smuggling case in atlanta, it is implementing or considering a range of measures including additional requirements for airport and airline employee screening, but so far no national changes. restaurant employees and flight crews that go through terminals do pass through a check point. those that work below do not. >> in the terminal we got to be careful with the bags. >> reporter: in miami, airport security director lauren stover says checking some but not all employees isn't enough. the threats are the same across the country. smuggling drugs and weapons and the potential of terror. >> like any major airport, there's the insider threat. basically people that are going to obtain their credentials and use their access to exploit the system. >> reporter: miami international has been screening like this
ever since a drug-smuggling scandal in the late '90s. every employee with access to airplanes goes through metal detectors and screening. going to work coming back from break, every time everyone. >> today's day and age, we have to deal with terrorism. >> reporter: if miami is an example for how security should be done the airport also has proof of why. last year alone 209 employee i.d. badges were confiscated due to security violations caught by screening. >> we have intercepted guns drugs, large sums of money, weapons, knives. >> reporter: employee screening is under new scrutiny after the arrest of a delta baggage handler in atlanta. the employee worked with a passenger to smuggle guns to new york. the baggage handler unscreened was able to take backpacks of guns into the airport, where he passed them on to a passenger already cleared through security. atlanta is now evaluating the
cost of full employee screening. >> put it this way. this is, you know a costly program. it's really not that costly when you compare the cost versus the consequences of not having a program like this. >> reporter: brooke you can imagine the news of this airport security gap landed pretty hard up here in congress especially among members of the committee that oversees airport security. they're asking the tsa why. why do we all, the passengers the airline pilots the restaurant workers, have to go through screening but thousands and thousands of these workers underneath the airport, or the back door do not? that's going to be a big question for this hearing that just got under way. brooke? >> i can't wait to hear the answer for all of white house have to go through all of it. drew griffin, thank you so much. let's stay in washington and head over to the pentagon. daily briefing happening. i want to listen in to see if any news is being made in the comments about the apparent video of this fighter pilot. take a listen. >> on behalf of the men and
women of the united states department of defense, secretary hagel extends his deepest condolences to the family of royal jordanian air force pilot first lieutenant al kasasbeh who was brutally murdered after being taken captive by isis terrorists. this is another example of isil's contempt for life itself. the united states and its military stands steadfast along side our jordanian friends and partners. jordan remains a pillar of our global coalition to degrade and ultimately destroy isil. and this act of despicable barbarity only strengthens our shared resolve. we send our thoughts and prayers to lieutenant kasasbeh's family and loved ones. now, i do want to make you aware that on saturday this past saturday the 31st of january, a little bit after 9:00 a.m. eastern time u.s. special operations forces conducted a strike south of moeg dee shoe using unmanned aircraft and
several hellfire missiles. this was a direct strike against the al shabaab network. we're still assessing the results of the operation and will provide additional information when and if appropriate. at this time however, we don't assess there to be any civilian or bystander casualties as a result of the strike. this operation was, as others have been an example of the commitment made by the united states government our allies and partners to the people and government of somalia. and it goes to show again, how long our reach can be when it comes to counterterrorism. bob? >> admiral, was the u.s. aware that the jordanian pilot had been killed one month ago on january 3rd? also a question on the somalia announcement there. this was the, did you say, the intelligence and -- >> intelligence and security chief and director of external
planning. so directly involved in the planning and collection of information to plan and conduct strikes outside somalia. >> can you give us an assessment of the impact of that? killing him as well as the previous senior al shabaab, what three weeks ago? >> well again, i'm not in a position to confirm the results of the strike. but if successful if he no longer breathes and this is a significant, another significant blow to al shabaab and their ability to conduct plan prepare for, and strike against targets outside -- inside and outside somalia. we would deem this to be, if successful a very significant blow against their capabilities. on your first question bob, i haven't seen anything that indicated that we had before today any direct knowledge of the murder happening on the 3rd of january. i've seen these reports today, but i -- i'm not aware we had
any indications prior to today that it happened so long ago. >> admiral, as a result of the killing of the jordanian pilot, president obama said today that the u.s. was going to double down on the efforts to defeat and degrade isis. what does that mean? are there plans by the u.s. military to double the efforts in their fight against isil? >> well, you know we don't talk about future operations jim. but i think as i said in my opening statement, reflecting the secretary's views, that it's just another example of how barbarous this group is and how seriously we need to take them and we will. you also know that there's been a long-concerted effort here over the last several months to destroy and degrade their capabilityies capabilities. nothing is going to slow down about that. we're going to continue to put as much pressure on them as
possible with our partners in iraq and syria. >> i guess my question is was that just sort of a reaction to what happened or are there actual plans in the works to double down the u.s. military efforts against isil? >> we don't talk about future plans and operations mik. what i can tell you is we're going to remain committed to this as we have been and there's not going to be any loss of focus. in fact an event like this only sharpens that focus and makes it that 34u67 more important for us to succeed. >> admiral, lieutenant general vincent stewart was on capitol hill for his confirmation -- sorry, at a hearing today. he said given the percentage of recidivism among released gitmo detainees that one of the five taliban five who were released for sergeant bowe bergdahl would be expected to return to the fight and dia would not be able
to do anything to trace them once the one year is up in terms of qatar watching them for one year. that seems to stand in contrast to what you said in terms of the ability to mitigate the risk that these released prisoners pose after the one-year mark in may ends in qatar, if they decide to leave for afghanistan, return to the fight. how do you reconcile that? >> well i didn't see the general's comments but let's take that at face value. i still stand by what i said up here before. so let's look at this factually. it's very difficult to predict the future. all five remain in qatar. all five are being monitored. there are security assurances that we have from the government of qatar, and the secretary's comfortable those assurances are being met and followed. it was the fact that they existed at all and there was a monitoring program in place that
allowed us to know about this individual's reengagement. as you know i can't get into the details of the character of that reengagement but we knew about it and were able to have a dialogue with the government in qatar because it worked. so again, i would repeat what i said last week. we're comfortable that going forward, through these measures we're going to be able to more closely monitor them and that we will continue to work with partners not just in qatar, but in the region to try to mitigate the threat that any returned detainee could potentially pose. not just to american interests but to the interest of our partners in the region. >> do you think that can continue after may? you have -- >> the other thing i'd say is -- because i think where you're going is what happens if they go back to afghanistan? i think secretary hagel said this very very well and very eloquently in the house armed services committee testimony when we discussed the bergdahl
transfer. he said, they return to the battlefield at their own peril. and they will. if they choose to do that, we obviously have the ability to protect our troops and we will. and the afghan national security forces are far more competent today than they were even a year ago, and they are certainly capable and increasing in their capability of defending their citizens. >> dia was not consulted before the decision to swap the prisoners. why wasn't dia consulted? >> i'd have to get back to you on that. i didn't see that particular comment. i can't validate it. i'm sure the general was speaking honestly and truthfully. you're going to have to let me get back to you. >> after the killing of the jordanian pilot, how do you think the pentagon the united states and the coalition would respond to that killing and to the killing of other hostages?
>> we haven't made -- i can only speak for the united states military. we haven't made it a point to respond directly to these killings. even when these were american citizens. what we have done and will continue to do is degrade and destroy their capabilities and continue to put them on the defensive, in which they still remain today. so i wouldn't -- at least from an american military perspective, it's not a tit for tat. we're at war with isil in the same way we're at war with al qaeda. we're at war with allies and partners indigenous partners in iraq and hopefully a growing syrian moderate opposition in syria. nothing is going to change about that joe. nothing -- nobody is letting off the gas. we're going to continue to put pressure on isil regardless of these barbaric acts. what these acts do however, they bring into stark relief
just how despicable these people are. and how little -- the contempt they have for life and how little they care. i don't need to remind you that this pilot was himself a muslim. so it does bring into stark relief the seriousness of the threat. but, you know, these brutal murders -- i can't -- there's no way i could possibly figure out how to justify it in your brain because it's so twisted. but it certainly isn't, these aren't the acts of a winner. they're not winning. jamie? >> you mentioned in the strike in somalia that it demonstrated the long reach of u.s. counterterrorism efforts. is that in any way a veiled warning to isil? >> there's no veil put upon the
warning to isil. we have been nothing but clear and transparent about the degree to which we take this threat seriously. >> you mentioned the brutality of the barbaric nature of this act. do you think that could backfire against them in terms of creating more homegrown capability to go against them? >> backfire in terms of hurting their recruiting efforts? it's hard to say. i do think an act like this they're certainly not the behavior of a winner. and they're certainly not, in our view going to further advance any success by them. i do think this will be a