tv Anderson Cooper 360 CNN March 10, 2015 5:00pm-6:01pm PDT
i really laugh like that? >> reporter: better to "lol" about those e-mails. jeanne moos cnn, new york. >> thanks for joining us. "ac360" starts right now. good evening. we begin tonight with breaking news. the university of oklahoma now minus two students in the fraternity they belonged to. sigma epsilon is gone. two appear to lead a chant about hanging black men from trees have been expelled and moments ago, one of the expelled students parker rice reads in part, i am deeply sorry for what i did saturday night. it was wrong and wreckless. i made a horrible mistake by joining in the singing and encouraging others to do the same. on monday, i withdrew from the university and this moment our family is not able to be in our home because threatening calls and frightening talk on social media. one frat brother on the video came forward. in just about half an hour a rally is planned on campus at
the former sae house. first, miguel marquez has the latest. >> reporter: parker rice 19-year-old freshman expelled from the university of oklahoma has pretty much vanished. [ knocking ] at his home in dallas no sign of him nor his family. he and members of the sae fraternity clearly avoiding publicity after the video was leaked to the school newspaper and ricochetting around the world. at the sigma alpha epsilon house, traditional letters unceremoniously removed. today, a steady flow of moving trucks. big job? >> i have no idea. >> reporter: fast job? >> your guess good as mine is right now. it's last minute call, so. >> reporter: at the sae house, a last minute scramble to clear out. hello? hello? how are you?
cnn. can i chat with somebody? it is 4:00 here in oklahoma and the parking lot here at the sae house is nearly empty hours ahead of the deadline imposed by the university. this entire fraternity shut down. students here in full protest mode. the story football team linking arms in a powerful show of support for the demonstrators but there is fallout. one star recruit who signed on to play for ou now says no way. >> i wouldn't want my son or child going anywhere like that. don't want my brothers going anywhere like that. it was disturbing to me. i don't like it. >> reporter: bright spot out of work sae chef howard dixon hit an unexpected jackpot. more than $60,000 raised for him online. and those who attended ou pledged sae in love both institutions or left scratched
heads and left. when you saw this how did you react? >> shocked. absolutely shocked. that's all i can say. i think it's wrong to judge the entire house on what a few did on a bus. >> reporter: bob burnham was overwhelmed. why did you come here to see this place after so many years? >> well, it was. >> miguel marquez joining us in front of the sae fraternity house. is there likely to be more expulsions expulsions? >> reporter: it looks like there may be more expulsions certainly disciplinary actions. the school wants to know everybody on that bus, what their role was, what they were doing before any final decisions
but sounds like it is very much leaving the door open to explulgsex expulsions expulsions. >> this chant is used more often. in apology statement, he said he was taught this chant. he doesn't say who he taught it by. do we know more about it? >> reporter: we don't know a lot more. we're getting glimpses. it is a secretive society as all fraternities are, but we know in other areas, students have told me they have heard similar or the same chant before. it has been reported in other areas around the country that the similar or same chant has been used by sae fraternities. the national chapter said this is nothing that is sanctioned. this is not an sae chant, yet we keep hearing in dribs and drabs, individuals coming forward saying it is something they have heard before. it's a fraternity formed around the time of the civil war. anderson? >> yeah.
miguel marquez, thank you very much. in case you're wondering about the kind of racial climate at the sae house, here's another video that surfaced. the sae house mother from ou wrapping along the trinidad and seemingly excited to be using the n word. >> [ bleep ] [ bleep ]. >> record n bomb three times in a row. broken and friends. does not tolerate any form of discrimination in her life and said she knew nothing about the chant. joining us, sae associate, executive director of association, brandon, thank you for being with us. two members of the fraternity kicked out of school today. do you believe that was a just punishment? >> absolutely. we believe there's consequences for your actions. it's unfortunate someone has to be expelled from the university like that but there are things that you have to take into consideration and especially in a hateful message like that. they don't represent us.
they don't represent anyone. >> the students in the video, certainly didn't seem like this was the first time they chanted this. were you aware of this chant before? again, the young man in the statement just released says this is a chant he had been taught. he doesn't say who taught it. >> right. we've been asked that question also on the headquarters level and also looked into these different faces. this was taught by the national organization there's absolutely nothing in our history, especially related to our songs of course that has to do with a chant that's inappropriate and racist and just disgusting like this. and i don't understand we're sort of trying to figure out how we can validate that and hold other people and other chapters accountable if we know they have details about this or participating in something like this. >> how many black members have there been in the university of oklahoma's sae chamtpter? >> i don't know the exact number because until a year and a half or two years ago, we were not
really asking ethnicity as part of reporting to the national headquarters because we never thought it's been important the color of your skin or background of origin simply whether or not you have the characteristics and really the character and moral value we're looking for. so in the data we have currently, it doesn't actually reflect the entire span of the current undergraduates across the country. >> there is an essay written by an african-american man who joined this chapter 4 years ago. he was the second black man ever at the chapter and since then not been a third. the entire history of the chapter chapter, there's been two african-american members of the sae fraternity and i guess i'm wondering, what sort of oversight at all do you have of your fraternities? because as a national organization i would think if you looked and said gee, in the past 14 years, there isn't been one black person at this
fraternity that's kind of odd. >> it may seem odd for obviously this particular case and to say, this is somehow indicative of all the chapters across the country. that's not true. there are chapters in the country right now even though there's not a statistic behind it that we know from interacting with and from training and other events there's chapters where there are white students the minority and other chapters there are other minorities or other groups that are representative. there are chapters where a lot of people come from homes and english isn't spoken as a primary first language, so it depends what campus you're at. >> i'm just wondering as an organization was there never a time when somebody from the national organization visited this chapter or looked at the roles of this chapter and in the last 14 years, never said huh, there's no black people here and there's only been two black people in the history of this thing. what kind of oversight do you actually have? >> absolutely and the thing is that the oversight of the national office is that we work
with the chapters we do visit the chapters but chapters are autonomous. in other words we do not mandate who they can or take from membership. there are regulations from the type of individual they should extend to join too, but again, in terms of saying this is a problem, it is not something that again, to the national organization has stepped in to say we need to monitor this more closely only in the sense there are certainly things we want and the things the organization has. >> do you think that should be something to say to local chapters you know what it would be a good idea to have a diverse student body as part of this fraternity. it reflects the values we care about. is that something you're thinking about doing? >> absolutely yes. the leadership is dedicated to making sure of this. the response to the national organization isn't about just closing a chapter, the members are facing expulsion soon. but we can't control the past. it's the past.
what we can do is focus on the current situation, where we are right now as an organization and what we need to do to change this to make it better to learn from things and make sure our members understand this is the type of thing that we stand for as a fraternity because it's the right thing to do and because we need to move forward from this situation. it's wrong to vilify sigma alpha epsilon across the country based on a chapter or a couple of chapters or instances that happened even over a 10 or 20 year span. still, it's a large national organization. >> are you concerned at all though according to the washington post online sae talks about its roots in the pre-civil war south and highlights how few early members fought for the union and how few fought for the confederacy. i'm wondering as you think about the future is that a message that you really want to be promoting? because i'm just wondering how many african-americans would really want to join something
where the organization is promoting how may people fought for the confederacy and how many people fought to uphold slavery and something that you have on your web site. >> we obviously looked at that to see how that's perceived by anybody who is considering joining the fraternity at any campus across the country but the reality is that we were founded in 1856 at the university of alabama in tuscaloosa. so the early members of the fraternity and the history of the organization is exactly that. we have a lot to be proud of in sigma alpha epsilon. but we know the history of sigma alpha epsilon, what is affiliated and not affiliated with sae. the bigger issue, we need to communicate that and how it's perceived by people not in the fraternity. >> i get being proud of one's history. i have roots in the south as well. i understand being proud of, you know the people who founded the fraternity. i know a lot of pledges memorize
the names of the original founders and apparently this bus was going to a founder's day party but don't you think, if one of your goals moving forward is perhaps and maybe it's not but to attract african-american members, you say you think about how it might be perceived, don't you think that would be perceived differently by african-americans than it might be perceived by whites of the southern background? >> absolutely. and there's part of the discussion i mean we're looking at a lot of different options. our leadership is also engaged with people to reach out to us to offer their support and also the things that they think that we need to take into consideration. so that we can do a better job of being able to communicate more accurately what sae is and looking at, you know the type of person we want because it is true that we don't look at diversity in the sense of just being the color of someone's skin or the ethnicity. there's a lot of diversity in the organization that is not just about that. background in terms of that. >> but some diversity in terms
of color of skin might not be a bad idea? >> absolutely. if you look at chapters across the country or look now, they would look at not be able to -- how can you say we're not diverse? >> we're going to do that now. thank you, bran don. joining me now is mig gel sooix, president of the delta. and naomi, codirector of ou unheard. let's start with you michaela. when you first saw this video, i'm sure you were horrified who as someone who belongs to the fraternity. >> it was upsetting, extremely disturbing to see members of the organization to have that belief and chant as a part of their traditions or whatever. it was extremely disturbing and really sad to see. >> and how many african-american members are at your fraternity right now?
>> we have about a 42 man chapter. there's about four of us that are african-american. we just graduated a couple of years ago. we've had a few african-american members at our chapter. our school delta state university in cleveland, did a good job of promoting diversity among organizations and a good greek system there. >> any concern on your part when you were thinking about joining or rushing as you call it on the web site founded in the south and how many members fought with the confederacy. any concern on your part? >> never. and that's mainly and solely because of the people that were already in the organization. i met them and they were just upstanding gentlemen and it was absolutely something i wanted to be a part of. the true gentlemen spells out everything i want to be as a man in life and so there was never any concern about that on my end. >> about being a true gentleman,
something sae talks about in their fraternities. naomi, i know your group hasn't had time to discuss the expulsions but personally do you think the ou president has done enough? >> i wouldn't say it's enough but we are standing behind our president's decision and we are very grateful that he's moving swiftly and not taking this situation lightly. >> i know it's important that the conversation doesn't end with these expulsions. what do you think needed to happen next on your campus? >> for us as unheard, i know we're not really focusing on expulsion or any punishment. we want this to be a learning moment for not just sae, but for organizations across campus, even nationally. we're so glad this thing has gained national attention because this can be the change. it can start change and really just bring people's attention and allow people to notice these things are happening.
people aren't making this up with microaggression in the city or anywhere else. >> it's interesting. when you look at statistics and polls, often you have african-americans in this country saying, you know this is a conversation we need to have more of and oftentimes caucasian americans in polls say, this isn't something we need to be talking about so much. you're saying, this is actually a good thing it's become part of a national discussion. >> definitely. these things are happening. and for people whether they be white, black, blue or purple who are experiencing them it's easy to say this isn't happening. this isn't real. we're in post-racial america. but for people like myself and people representing the group unheard, this is happening. this is something we see everyday. a lot of people if you ask, they'll say they weren't shocked this happened when they saw the video. they were not shocked. i heard that so much. this is why. so i'm definitely glad this is a conversation that's now happening nationally.
>> to mickle what would you say about what needs to change if something needs to change does there need to be more oversight, more effort to attract or to at least let people see the organization that you see and, i mean does something need to change in this organization? >> it really varies from chapter to chapter. there's a lot of chapters i know of that promote diversity. our chapter at delta state and, you know there's a lot of chapters that may not and an organization that's 15,000 undergraduates you're going to have bad apples and it's really unfortunate when that happens but, you know, not necessarily sure of the best solution or the best, you know way the national organization can go about fixing the problem, but i think the first step is recognizing that there is a problem and then, you
know, brain stoormstorming different ideas on how to solve that. >> do you believe the national organization has done enough? >> as far as doing enough like i said no. there definitely needs to be a teaching aspect of this. punishment okay. it will go so far. but if we don't teach and hone in on the issue of why it was wrong, it's not okay. it's not enough. >> naomi, appreciate you being on and mikels. thank you. watch "360" on dvr whenever you want. students was that justified this time? is it never justified, can university actually do that? what about the first amendment? also, hillary clinton ending suspense about why she used a private e-mail account the entire time she was secretary of state. will it end the controversy?
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>> there will never be a [ bleep ] at sae. >> there will never be a n word at sae. we just got the top of the program, i want to read more now. he said quote, i know everyone wants to know why or how it happened. it was fueled likely by alcohol consumed but that's not an excuse. yes, the song was taught to us but that too doesn't work as an explanation. it's more important to acknowledge what i did and what i didn't do. i didn't say no and clearly dismissed an important value i learned at my beloved high school dallas jesuit. completely ignored the core values i learned from parents and others. parker rice a few moments ago. what he and the others did was hateful and ugly. should hateful and ugly get you
expelled where free speech is so valued. michael myers and charles blow. was the expulsion of two students justified? >> no. >> why? >> first of all, this is a public university. not a private university. we have a first amendment to the united states constitution. this is the united states of america. we believe in free speech. and you only have a first amendment to protect the speech with which we disagree and we can disagree vehemently but it's speech that is protected by the constitution. now, it can be hateful speech racist speech but guess what? free speech on a bus does not apply only to white students. i could imagine black students on a bus to the million man march, racist march chanting similar anti-white chants. would they be expelled because of their speech as hateful? would the president of the university of oklahoma feel
hurt, have a sleepless night because black students don't like whiteys? i remember the chant. whitey white power, black power, get your mama. i mean that can chill people. that can hurt their feelings. but hurt feelings sleepless nights is not a basis for violating the first amendment to the united states constitution. >> jeff toobin i know your opinion has changed several times today. >> three times today. i think this is a hard question. ultimately i think the answer is the university is justified in dismissing these students because context matters and what might be appropriate speech in front of the u.s. capitol where political speech is supposed to be free and unfettered is different at a university because universities are supposed to be welcoming communities for everyone. and there's a code of conduct and i read the ou code of conduct today and it really does seem to cover this kind of speech as intolerable at the university. now, i know it's a tough line to
draw. you can't throw a student out for saying vote for the democrats or vote for the communists or vote for isis probably. but i think this speech was so unwelcoming to african-americans that i can see why expulsion might be okay. >> free speech, isn't so free. can't have free speech. >> that's what the supreme court ruled. free speech in schools including colleges is not unfettered. the schools have a say. and that they can have a code of conduct and that code of conduct in particular can include hate speech. >> even on a bus not on the college campus? >> has not said that. >> in 1988. >> the supreme court has not said people cannot get on a bus off campus and engage in hateful speech racist speech and say, that they can be expelled for that. i'm surprised by that. no of course they didn't rule
on this particular incident. of course they didn't do that. >> but the difference -- there's the difference between speech in a classroom on a situation where you are making a truly disruptive classroom. >> jeff -- >> speech itself, but by itself is not the basis for expelling because they don't like what you said. >> did you read that opinion? >> yes, i did. >> the 1988 opinion? >> i have read the supreme court jurisprudence on this matter and let me tell you, the supreme court agrees with me not with you and not with jeff. >> jeff does where the speech was said the fact it was said on a bus off campus toward the party, does that make a difference? >> i don't think that helps and this was obviously a frat function a university frat. if it were in on a field trip to istanbul on the other side of the world, perhaps it would be different but here you have an
immediate right outside ou leaving from the fraternity. they've been drinking at the fraternity. this was obviously a fraternity function. i don't pretend it's an easy question. but i do think that universities are allowed to police and that's an ugly word when it comes to speech but to police what is said in their environment. to make everyone feel welcome. >> but charles, isn't it a slippery slope here to have the university deciding what you can say? so what some group of republicans on a bus making fun of democrats, that would be -- that would hurt the feeling of democrats on campus? >> i think you can make a case either way and probably make a strong case. i'm just saying what the supreme court found is free speech is not unfettered in schools and that if you have a code of conduct, in particular in this case if that code of conduct includes hate speech you can act on that code of conduct. >> there is no code of conduct that is allowed to trump the constitution's first amendment.
jeff you know that. you know that. >> you're right, but -- >> i'm shocked! i'll have a sleepless night. i want an apology. i want an apology. >> michael meyers good to have you. charles, jeffrey toobin as well. coming up next. how hillary clinton's answers jive with what we know. i have a cold with terrible chest congestion. i better take something. theraflu severe cold doesn't treat chest congestion. really? new alka-seltzer plus day powder rushes relief to your worst cold symptoms plus chest congestion. [breath of relief] oh, what a relief it is.
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welcome back. hillary clinton stepped up to the mike today and talked about her e-mailing habits with secretary of state. answered questions why she did all of it both government and personal using a private account on her own domain server. she said she didn't do anything wrong but wish she had done some things things different. >> well i have to tell you. as i said in my remarks looking back it would have been probably, you know smarter to have used two devices, but i have absolute confidence that everything that could be in any way connected to work is now in the possession of the state department. >> her answer as you might
imagine, satisfied some. not others. fueled what is a 20 year running conversation on the clintons. more with cnn's jeff zalani. >> it's close to an apology or an act of contrition as we get from clinton. said take my word for it but the problem, so many people are not willing to take her word for it. it still left a lot of holes. the biggest one, she said i deleted all my personal e-mail. she's deciding what's personal and that's the problem here. she deleted some 30,000 e-mails, turned over some 30,000 other. >> are those truly deleted? will anybody actually look for them? because all of this was on a server at her house. >> she said look. we're not turning over the server. it's a private server. that's where congressional republicans smell blood. they said we're going to subpoena go after this. this could end up in a legal
fight but she said that she's not handing this over. she has given hard paper copies and based on 1995 law that actually allows you to do that. that's an antiquated law, so that's what people say. why not turn over the electronic copies get so much more from that. >> i want to play what she said and then whether this would impact her political career. >> i trust the american people to make their decisions about political and public matters and i feel that i've taken unprecedented steps to provide these work-related e-mails. they're going to be in the public domain. >> for those who don't like hillary clinton, this certainly kind of jives with their feelings about her being secretive, both the clintons obviously. for those who do like her, they'll give her the benefit of the doubt. i want to bring in carl
bernstein. best selling author of "a woman in charge: hillary rodham clinton." did it help or hurt? >> probably hurt. clintonian paranoia. her lawyers and enemies, it's a terrible and dispiriting mix that's very familiar. and what this is really about is hillary clinton wants to control her correspondskorcorrespondence and words to determine who sees what she said. it's a difficult position to be in particularly now and it's going to be a hell of a mess for a while. >> but carl for people to be acting her using her personal e-mail is a huge transgression, if this were some other former candidate, it would even be a story? >> it would no but hillary clinton is hillary clinton. the most famous woman in the world, the former secretary of
state. it does deal with official papers with official e-mails, and she wants to control them. she does not want others to have really unfettered access or control over them. it's a difficult position to be in and at the same time given the viciousness of her enemies, given what she and bill clinton have been through before and those who will give them no quarter, you can understand why she wants to control this and at the same time we also know we've been here before. we are now back into one of these titanic struggles over what words mean what this point of law means. who's at fault here. splitting hairs. and it's not fun for anybody and it's going to determine an awful lot of how this campaign goes unfortunately. >> yeah. i mean, jeff there might be people who say, you know what? i don't want to be reminded of
all this controversy and if she runs and if she gets elected, does this mean four or eight years of this kind of nitpicking? >> it certainly is a reminder. i talked to top democrats today and said how long do you think this is going to go on? they're asking us that. the media environment that was totally different than any other clinton scandal we've seen. we move on from things faster things move faster. i'm not sure this will affect her campaign but it will be a soundtrack to her campaign. she'll be called to testify before the benghazi committee twice in this campaign. this is going to go on but that will also help build her supporters. that helps her go on offense as well by getting democrats to rally to her defense. republicans have to worry about overreaching here. i heard that as well. we didn't hear that much from them today. they're sort of staying out of it a little bit for now. >> a lot of people kind of stay out of it letting it see where the chips fall and not going to get in the way of a train wreck if it becomes a train wreck. for a politician who wants to
run for president, what's the safer route, having all the e-mails out there to read or deleted ones were about yoga? >> there's no easy answer to that question and i wouldn't know what to advise. what i know and understand is that hillary clinton is generous the most famous woman in the world. not judged like any other person in our political system. everything about her and her campaign for presidency exists by itself with no parallels. including this situation. because she's damned if she does damned if she doesn't and one more reminder of the kind of territory that we're in because it's all about her relationship to the truth. that's always been a difficult relationship as i say toward the end of my book and at the same time you understand why there is secrecy when you listen to her enemies, listen to those people on the benghazi committee. they're ready to draw and quarter her.
there's the most outrajs kind of knee jerk response to the clintons from the other side and this just sets this fight in motion. once again. and also to listen to jeb bush for instance on a high and mighty platform go after hillary clinton on this and dot the is and cross the ts. there's a lot of hypocrisy. >> shocked to hear there's hypocrisy in washington. thank you so much to have you here at cnn. we're all very excited. the madison police officer who shot and killed an unarmed police officer was involved in a deadly shooting before. details are now coming out. bring us your baffling. bring us your audacious. we want your daydreams your ah-has, your easier-said-than-dones. we want your sticky notes, sketchbooks, and scribbles. let's pin 'em to the wall. kick 'em around.
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the family of an unarmed biracial teenager killed by police in wisconsin said they take some comfort knowing it won't be the police department itself handling the investigation. he was killed by matt kenny after calls after a man jumping in front of cars and then tried to strangle someone. the police chief said the robertson assault of kenny who then shot and killed him. because of a law in wisconsin, the state, not the police department is handling the investigation of the incident. robinson's uncle said he trusts it will be handled with integrity. connecticut is the other state that has the law. there was another case in 2007 not only exonerated but received an award. gary tuchman reports. >> reporter: at this house in madison, wisconsin, not far from where last week's fatal tony
robinson was, a father of two made a call to 9-1-1 in july of 2007. [ phone rings ] >> 9-1-1, what is the address of emergency? >> [ bleep ] there is a man with a gun. >> where is he at? >> sitting on the porch. >> reporter: but for reasons we'll never know the man with the gun he was talking about was himself. ronald brandon had the gun and he was sitting on steps with it as three police officers raced to the scene, his ex-wife, who also lived in his house with him, made her own call to 9-1-1. >> 9-1-1, what's the address of the emergency? >> my ex-husband is sitting outside and i think he just called 9-1-1 and he's got a pellet gun and i think he's saying -- >> did you already call us? >> my ex-husband is calling you right now. he just called you. i want to let you know he doesn't have -- he's calling to say that somebody has a gun
outside. he's drunk. >> okay does he have a gun? >> no, he has a pellet gun. >> is it loaded? >> no. he's coming. jesus crippleminy. i think he wants to be taken away. >> reporter: matt kenny was on his way, the same officer who shot and killed tony robinson. what happened next in the call with susan brandon even shocked the dispatcher. >> oh my god. what's going on susan? >> oh god! >> tell me what's going on susan. >> he shot him. >> he got your husband? >> they shot him! >> oh my god. >> stay calm. okay. is your husband shot? >> he's shot. >> stay on the phone with me okay? stay in the house.
stay in the house. >> oh! it's a toy gun. >> he must have brandished it at the officer. >> i'm sure he did. that's what i was trying to tell you. oh, god. oh, god. oh, jesus. >> ronald brandon's ex-wife did the proper thing. calling 9-1-1 to give police some warning of a potentially dangerous situation that wasn't quite what it seemed. but the police officers here on the scene, one of them being officer matt kenny, never got that message. records show the 9-1-1 call made 40 seconds before they arrived here. brandon pointed his pellet gun at the police and officer kenny shot him dead. no charges were filed against officer kenny in the shooting. and he went on to receive the police department's highest award, the medal of valor, for a
police employee who performs extraordinary acts of bravery and heroism, all related to ronald brandon's shooting death. brandon's son and daughter did not want to appear on camera but they told us in a written statement that says in part although we acknowledge our father's decisions led to his own fate in july of 2007 we do not think it was appropriate to award matt kenny with the medal of valor and actions portraying him as a hero. >> oh god! oh jesus. >> reporter: the hurt the family has long felt made more acute now that officer matt kenny is back in the news. ronald brandon was killed on july 15th. on july 17th the district attorney at the time came up with this finding he saw no basis for any criminal liability against any of the three officers. that investigation took two days regarding regard . regarding the award, said you can't monday morning the quarterback.
it's based on perceptions at the time. not the reality you find out afterwards especially regarding ronald brandon. he was a troubled soul but a loving man and a wonderful father and hearts have been broken every day since he died. anderson? >> gary thank you very much for the report. just moments ago, breaking news out of ferguson missouri. we've just learned that city manager john shaw had just stepped down more fallout from the justice department report on policing in ferguson. this comes a day after a local judge also resigned. up next, my conversation with miles o'brien. anyone have occasional constipation diarrhea, gas, bloating? yes! one phillips' colon health probiotic cap each day helps defend against these occasional digestive issues... with 3 types of good bacteria. live the regular life. phillips'
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an equipment case fell on him, camera equipment. chief medical correspondent sanjay gupta describes what happened next in "miles o'brien, a life lost and found". >> he thought, it's just a bruise. after all, it wasn't a dramatic incident like a car accident or sky diving accident. it was just a case that fell and hit his arm. so miles did what he all do too often. we ignore the pain, hoping it would just go away. it turned out to be an honest but nearly fatal mistake. >> it got kind of ugly but i had been bruised. i've been wanting to go to the beach. i thought, i'm not going to. denial. i wasn't going to run, i was in the philippines. didn't have medical infrastructure right at my fingertips. that was the 12th of february. and by the night of the 13th
end of the 14th the pain started to -- it got worse. and by the time i got up in the morning, i knew it was like shooting and throbbing pains. it was very it was obvious this was something much more than a bruise. >> miles found an english speaking doctor who said it looked like a textbook case of acute compartment syndrome. it was the first time miles heard the term. >> he said this and i literally was trying to wiki what i had. and, you know, i didn't like what i read. >> miles reported from all over the globe. this time he came close to dying just from this freak accident. i talked to him and sanjay about what exactly happened when that case hit his arm. one of the things i knew you talked about early on is just how given all the places you've been all the dangers you have faced to have something happen like this is just so bizarre. can you explain medically what happened here sanjay?
>> yeah. it's relatively rare thing but at the time that miles got struck with this case it caused this damage essentially to the muscle underneath his skin. the muscle in the artery the veins, nerves wrapped up in a tight layer of tissue known as fascia. so the response is it swells to the injury but it had nowhere to swell so it starts to sort of die and push on the arteries around it cutting off the blood flow and eventually when that muscle dies it releases toxins into the rest of the blood and that could potentially be a life-threatening situation. the goal is and this is what i think they were thinking at the beginning is let's open up that compartment around the muscle give it room to swell and maybe that could curtail the damage. problem was, by the time miles was in the hospital it was too far gone. there was too much muscle that already died. >> you had never heard of anything like this had you? >> no anderson. when i finally got to the
doctor acute compartment syndrome, they said, say it again, please? literally, as he was ordering up the surgery, i was wikiing it. the first line was, had the words amputation and fatal. so i thought, oh boy. >> that's how you found out? >> yes, that's exactly how i found out. >> that's quite a wikipedia page. >> that's one i'll never forget seeing. and that was, you know, at that point -- >> were you in tremendous pain? >> that was the thing. a bruise is a bruise is a bruise. and suddenly the pain went in the other direction, when you would expect it to be dissipating, it got really painful and there was numbness and it was not a pretty picture. put it that way. i knew i was in trouble but i didn't know how much. >> miles, thank you so much for doing this. sanjay as well. "miles o'brien a life lost and
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hideout after the attack. tsarnaev wrote the u.s. government is killing innocent citizens and quote, i can't stand to see such evil go unpunished. ten people were killed when two helicopters collided in argentina while filming a french reality tv show featuring famous athletes blindfolded and dropped into remote locations. eight passengers including contestants and crew and two argentinean pilots died in the crash. and in washington state, a kidnapping attempt caught on surveillance video. you can see the suspect running off with a 22 month old boy who was playing in a park with his 10-year-old brother and 8-year-old sister. the siblings chased after the suspect and were screaming which got the attention of two teenagers who joined the pursuit and the man left the little boy go and ran off. the suspect though still at large. >> terrifying. amara, thanks. the following is a cnn
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