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thank you so much for joining us. set your dvr to record "outfront" to watch us anytime. "ac360" begins right now. good evening. thanks for joining us. we have breaking news. it truly change everything we now know about the crash of germanwings 9525 with 150 people on board including three americans. reporting in the new york times, citing a senior military official and evidence from the airbus a 320 voice recorder suggesting one pilot had left the flight deck prior to the crash and was unable to get back into the cockpit. the times quoting the official, an investigator saying quote, the guy outside is knocking lightly on the door there's no answer. and then he hits the door stronger and no answer. there is never an answer. you can hear he's trying to smash the door down. joining us on the phone, retired airline captain jim tillman. joining us is peter gold former
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managing director and cnn safety analyst, david soucie former faa accident investigator and author of malaysia flight 370 why it disappeared and why it's a matter of time before it happens again and cnn aviation correspondent richard quest. let me start off with you. the new york times report that a couple different ways to read it. there's nefarious way of reading it is one pilot had another pilot locked out of the cockpit, doesn't allow him back in and brings the plane down or something happened to that pilot inside. >> that's right. and if you look at what "the new york times" is reporting, there's a calm pleasant conversation and then one pilot leaves the cockpit and then the supposed lockout happens. it could be nefarious, but i think the suggestion and more to agree that the pilot who remained inside the cockpit had
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some sort of medical emergency heart attack. >> you're basing that on the fact there's a calm conversation previously? >> the fact it's more likely to find a pilot than committing mass suicide aboard with 150 people. the chances of that are extremely remote. the chances of the first option. >> medical emergency. >> yes. it does raise the question why there was only one person in the cockpit. if one pilot leaves somebody else is supposed to go back in a member or crew so there's always two people there to prevent this from happening. >> and david soucie do pilots not have keys to the cockpit? >> it's a no alone zone for a reason. meaning that in order to unlock that door it has to be unlocked from the inside. regardless there's a dead bolt you can put in there too but when there's closes no way out, they're locking it. you can have a key or a code but most likely it's the fact this door was shut and that pilot was alone in there which is against all procedures. >> not supposed to be alone in
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the cockpit. >> no when that pilot, the other pilot leaves, the procedure is the flight attendant is supposed to get into the cockpit with the pilot so he's never alone. >> for this very reason. >> exactly. for this reason, yeah. >> jim tillman, what do you make of this? >> well i think that that makes good sense. my concern is why would remaining in the cockpit answer the door? he did that once and something they did want to do awful. maybe had a heart attack. who knows, but never should happen. there's things to prevent this from happening. the door you can't not get down can't kick it down do any of that. it's bulletproof. so somebody went up to the cockpit had to find one way or another, decided to or couldn't do anything else. failed to open that door. >> peter gold, i suppose others
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could say maybe there was some sort of, you know mechanical emergency that the pilot in the cockpit was dealing with, but that doesn't explain why that pilot wouldn't at least say something or try to yell out to the pilot who was outside the cockpit that would have then been picked up by the voice recorder. >> there's two things i want to point out. one is when the bea, the french investigative agency had their press conference today, they were extraordinarily careful in what they said. and they said, you know that they had picked up sounds of voices of alarms of sounds within the cockpit. they were very careful. the times report is not knocked down by the bea. they were asked to comment and they could have said this is outrageous you know? but they did not. so i think we've got to give some credibility to the times report but during my time at the ntsb there were two cases
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where pilots we believe, deliberately flew airplanes with heavy passenger loads into the ground. now, you know, i hope that that's not the case again. but -- >> what's the reasoning in the investigation? was it ever determined why those pilots decided to do that? obviously, it's hard to know with suicide, but what was in their minds? >> they were extensive background investigations on both of these events. one is the silk air accident and the egypt air crash of 767 and in both cases, the pilots involved involved that we believe, the ntsb believed, were involved in doing commanding the plane into the ground or into the ocean. both had some serious issues going on in their lives at that
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time. one was going to be fired in the next week upon returning to egypt. another had some severe financial reversals and had lost a number of friends in an accident recently. so there were warning signs in both of their backgrounds once the investigation took place. >> well this is just a dramatic turn of events this information that the new york times has been reporting. i want to bring in nic robertson at the crash site for the recovery operation. what exactly do we know about the two men flying this plane or at least the two men supposed to be flying this plane? >> reporter: what's interesting here anderson it seems at least at first initially looking at this report is that we've heard some interesting details from lufthansa, from jergermanwings about the pilot. been flying for 10 years, had 6,000 flying hours. but when you look at that and you weigh up well we haven't
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heard so much about the co-pilot. is that normal to hear so little about him and focused and attention just been on the pilot, the expectation was that he would be in the cabin, he would be flying the aircraft therefore, he's the one with so much experience. if you're the airline, you would talk about him. but now it does seem to shift the focus on well the co-pilot first off, how much experience did he have and why hasn't this been part of the discussion by the airline until now, anderson? >> david soucie is there anything we could tell from the way this flight descended over minutes, dropping 27,000 feet over the course of that 8 minutes about yesterday. the talk was some sort of mechanical failure. descended? >> in my opinion, it's not in any kind of parallel with the two suicides peter goelz was just talking about. in those accidents, it was
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quickly changing, direct change in altitude. morer erratic. this is indicative of that unless in which it was something that was suicide. >> i guess that does argue against the notion of suicide, although again, to try to and again, we don't know the case here but the person could have just brought the plane right down into the ground. >> if you were going to do it, just push it down and go forward, you know, all the way. this gives more credence to the idea that something happened some sort of movement in the cockpit that nudged the side stick. nudges the side stick or the controls in some way and the process begins that there can't be arrested because the person
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drops out. >> peter, is that what would have had to happened? something would have to be hit in order to stop the plane, the process to actually get the plane to descend? say the person had some sort of medical emergency, i mean how much what does it take to get the plane to start to descend? >> it would not take much. if they did have an emergency, we'll know that. there will be some sounds of that taking place and richard is right. it wouldn't take much. i mean he could slump forward and it has a side stick command. he could slump against the side stick and push it forward. and that would probably do the trick. but, you know, this is just a terribly shocking revelation. >> yeah. we literally just heard this moments before air. in terms of the investigation, david soucie obviously, you've worked on investigations like this what happens now? i mean, is it just greater
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analysis of that voice recorder of all the data record ers? ? that's what . >> that's what we're focusing on. it has to be pursued. have to find what the command was. was it a manual entry command or auto pilot to start that descent? that will start to put clues together. >> suddenly many pieces. we don't know if it's correct but suddenly pieces of the jigsaw come together anderson. notably, no response from the cockpit during the 10 minute descent. well we have a pretty good idea why. whoever in there was either incapacitated, unconscious or dead. >> is it possible for the pilot who was outside the cockpit to in any way, contact a tower from outside the cockpit? >> pretty much yes. you could have a cell phone, there's a sat phone, the plane would have had one. but of course the sat phone, well where would it have been?
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in the cockpit. >> the only way is through a maintenance channel. there's a maintenance communication system. i'm not sure if this aircraft had it or not but most of these airbuses have a communication system for maintenance reporting back to the home base which would be one possibility. >> jim, does it make sense to you why a pilot would leave the cockpit at this point of the flight? >> -- i think we lost jim there. does it make sense why they lost contact at this time? >> we've all flown extensively. it's not uncommon. and there are somewhat looser regulations when you're off the continental 48 states. i've noticed overseas that the pilots do get up and use the restroom get a cup of coffee. but, you know, the one thing, one more point that i want to make and see what the other gentlemen think, this really leads to the argument.
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realtime realtime. absolutely critical. >> smile and vehemently against it. there's, the preponderance of views, it's guarded as being spied on. one thing to have your voice being recorded. in terms of safety.
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. >> it wasn't quite there yet to be able to do. >> extremely important. >> it's also interesting, peters and i guess it makes sense from a security standpoint from a pilot.
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a failure of the exit. shouldn't have exited. when he did exit the flight attendant should have gone back in. that happens. out of the blue when that happens, when that strange thing happens twice in a row now you have a medical emergency on top of that. >> you're coming around to something nefarious. >> i think i am. statistically, it doesn't make sense. it really doesn't. >> it's an enormous leap to go there bearing in mind the small number of cases there have been that the nefarious option. >> how many cases of heart attacks in a commercial aircraft have there been? >> at the moment that a pilot leaves the cockpit and nobody else comes in. >> there's a lot we don't know. we got to take a break. thank you. we'll be returning to all of you throughout the next two hours. we're on until 10:00 east coast
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stunning information. evidence from the cockpit voice recorder recovered from the germanwings flight 9525. "the new york times" reporting that one of the two pilots had been locked out of the flight deck first knocking and trying to break down the cockpit door. the time citing a senior official and investigator familiar with what is on that voice recorder. whether that means the pilot inside the cockpit was trying to keep his colleague out or simply was incapacitated, we do not know. with us on the phone is former u.s. air marshal, darell joyner. what do you make of this? >> i think it's pretty -- you have situation as the pilot or the co-pilot locked out of the cockpit door which tells me potentially that he was locked out from the inside. i believe some of the reinforced doors that there's a second lock mechanism that can be controlled from the inside. i mean clearly this speaks to
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potentially the pilot passing out because i think they have some type of code where they're going to make sure that they're keeping everything safe. because he or she goes outside could potentially be under duress if anything goes down in the cabin and the pilot would remain safe. if that was the case and you pass out and you're pretty much out of luck you're not going to be able to get back inside or if there was a plan or somebody possibly went inside when the co-pilot came outside, or potentially if the pilot who was inside actually had a plan to do harm to the aircraft. he or she would have the opportunity to do so once the co-pilot is outside the door. >> darelle, it is impossible to actually break down one of these doors because we noah cording to this -- >> impossible maybe. it's reinforced. it's definitely going to make it more challenging than a regular cockpit door from some of the older school airplanes before the reinforced doors.
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definitely it's going to be challenging. if there is inat the present time or ill will to take the aircraft down at a fast pace you're trying to stand up going against the forces of the aircraft at the same time. so i think that's going to actually create a little bit more challenge as well. >> the confusing thing about this if the pilot or the pilot is at the controls and wanted to just bring the aircraft down immediately, he could have brought it down in a much more violent and much more immediate, rather than an eight-minute descent from 27,000 -- going down 27,000 feet over the course of eight minutes. >> i think it can go both ways anderson. i'm speaking that i don't know the guy or guys in a situation like that. if your intent on a suicide mission, if in fact you're going to take a slow death or as fast as possible. i think if that was the case
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you have somebody potentially inside who knows everybody on the outside can't get in. he could have taken their time. but also it could also be the other end of the spectrum where he or she could have passed out and wasn't able to have the -- pilot wasn't in control of the aircraft. >> darell i want to bring in our panel. we were talking about this before. it is very difficult to put one's self in the mind frame of somebody who wanted to bring down a plane and to say well, they would have done it this way, we really have no idea. it's possible as you mentioned, david, somebody want have wanted time to think about things. >> we do have two incidents of that happening before. in both of those, it was not this type of a flight path. >> were those in the days though before reinforced cockpit doors? >> no. they were afterwards? >> yeah. >> we got to know whether it was
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nefarious or we don't know whether it was medical emergency. we can't know. we'll have to wait for a further information from the transcript. >> but it seems, even though the flight data recorder has not been found, not the actual data recorder one can rule out much of what was discussed yesterday about a mechanical failure that a pilot would have been wrestling with because that is something which, no matter how much they were wrestling with something, they could have opened up cockpit door. and answered to the pilot yelling let me in. >> the switch is literally to the side and it's very simple. they do it 100 times a day. yes, they can do it in their sleep. >> there's a switch that opens the door. >> it's in the middle console. >> they don't have to get up and turn around? >> no. cockpit door release. >> jim tillman, i think you're back with us. >> yes, i am.
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i am back. i wanted to suggest some things to you. number one, i'm not an airbus pilot. but i understand that the way the flight management works, it sounds to me like it would be very difficult to accidentally the control or even slump down on it and have the airplane go into a controlled descent, maintaining the airspeed maintaining the same heading only thing changed was the altitude. that's one thing. the next thing is we don't know if someone else didn't enter the cockpit. at least i haven't been told that. we don't know if there was somebody else in there legally, got in there legally. we don't know who that would be or that person -- in the final analysis. i'm concerned we're going down a rabbit hole with the feeling that we have the co-pilot in the
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airplane and the pilot outside. i hope -- we again, are going into a bad area. if we have an airbus guy here on the panel, i want him to respond to this thing about the law you're in and whether or not you can attack just bump it or accidentally move the stick and have it just and all those other things. remember the only thing that changed was altitude all the way down to the ground. >> david, that was your point earlier. to not have any deviation from the flight path other than the descent. >> if it was an accidental bump it wouldn't have maintained. you can look exactly. it was 26 degrees. maintained that all through this period. even before and after this bump supposedly. you would have to bump it exactly correctly and hold it for enough time where it acknowledged the descent and let it stabilize there. it's peculiar to me. i don't think it fits that as peter had said.
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>> here's the point, gentlemen that we need to consider. if and when we find the data recorder it will tell us definitively what happened. because if it took a series of steps, which i believe it did, to put this plane into a controlled dive then that would argue against a medical emergency. i mean, did he remove the plane from autopilot? if there was a series of steps that would be reflected in the data recorder then that raises a very -- >> that is what was required a series of steps. >> i think i'm agreeing with captain tilmon. you would have to have a series of steps. the plane was wings level, steady flight straight in. but if there was more than one step then we have a very serious issue. >> everybody, we just got a response from lufthansa.
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a spokesman saying they didn't have information about "the new york times" article. in so many words they're saying no comment. >> which is not a denial. >> right, yes. >> if peter makes the point and jim makes the point that you are going to say your several steps, therefore, the medical emergency option becomes less likely, therefore, you move to, quote, the nefarious option, it's almost as if you want a moment of silence for the gravity of what one is now dealing with. in the true definition of the word the enormity of what we're dealing with. in that situation, you are talking about somebody who committed suicide and at the same time committed 149 murders. >> again, we do not know at this point. it's important to say that. i think a lot as peter
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mentioned, a lot will depend on that flight data recorder and learning about it. but i keep thinking about the pilot outside that door banging on the door yelling to try to get back in realizing something, realizing the plane is going down and then the word spreading among the passengers as they hear the pilot banging on that door. i mean it's a horrific, horrific -- >> horrifying. >> we've moved into -- this evening with this news we have moved a quantum leap into a different situation. >> breaking news occurred we just got "the new york times" report shortly before going on air. we're trying to follow this throughout the evening. we'll be on until the 10:00 hour tonight. because no matter what has occurred, the two scenarios, the two scenarios we've been discussing it radically changes what occurred on board this flight and what brought the flight down. there's a lot more to talk about in the time ahead.
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break news tonight. "the new york times" reporting that one of the two pilots had been locked out of the flight deck. first knocking and trying to break down the cockpit door as the plane is descending. eventually crashing. the time citing a senior official and investigator familiar with what is on the cockpit recorder. medical emergency or something else. we don't know. was it a nefarious desire on the part of the person behind the controls or did they become unconscious due to a medical emergency. meantime the process of airlifting remains from the crash site has begun. for more tonight from lufthansa, they're commissioning two special flights from dusseldorf to marseilles and offering to take family members as close as possible to the crash site. 150 men, women and children were killed on board the flight. people with entire lives ahead of them. three americans, 'em lip and yvonne sell ki. in the words of a statement. two wonderful, caring amazing
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people who meant so much to so many. so many including emily's two close friends, meredith perry and holmes joins us. >> does this seem real? >> not at all. i keep saying over and over it's surreal. you always see these things on the news and you think it's horrible. but you never know anyone involved. you never know anyone. the chances are so slim. even yesterday morning, i woke up and on my phone i had a text from my friend. i had a breaking news alert about the plane crash. i remember thinking wow that's really sad and i opened my phone and went about my day until i found out. it's just -- >> how did you hear the news snoo. >> meredith called me. she heard from emily's cousin who called to let her know and she called to let me know. >> you were best friends in college? >> emily and i lived together
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for two years and we were best friends and we hung out together. >> what was emily like? >> she was probably one of the best people i've ever met. she put good in every situation. she saw good in everyone she met. whenever you were down she had something to brighten you, to say it's going to be okay. keep your head up. that's who she was. >> her specialty was pictures. she would always text us animal pictures cute pictures all the time. you never expected when she was going to do it. but it was good. that is everything about her. she was just good and attracted good people. she was so honest and so there. i mean she had to be because she lived with me. i didn't give her a choice. that's who she was. >> she wanted to be there. >> she loved music.
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she majored in the music industry. >> we majored in music industry together. her passion was festival. but she loved festivals going to them planning them. that was something she really loved. >> was there a type of music she loved more than ever? >> her favorite band is modest mouth. >> she loved all music. a huge music fan. >> start singing along it anything? >> is that right? >> is that something she wanted to do later in life? perform or work in the music industry? >> i think her end goal was to work with planning festivals. i don't know if she wanted to be a performer. we did a songwriting class and she was unhappy about having to do that. >> did you know her mom as well? >> yeah. we doet did. she was amazing person as well. >> yeah. she was very -- it's hard because a lot of people think about the tragedy of losing a young life and they forget someone else was there. yvonne was an amazing person as
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well. she was so caring even in our lives and i remember when i graduated, like she gave me all these gifts and she -- it was just little things like about my hometown. stuff that emily told me. she was that kind of person. she was dedicated to the people that she loved. it just made her such a lovely spirit to be around. >> have you been able to talk to anybody in the family? >> yeah. we've been in contact mostly with her cousin who is the one who told us and kind of, she's been our point person through it. >> emily's whole family everyone i've ever met is an amazing person. they're all very kind and loving. they left behind emily and yvonne left behind an amazing big family that loved them a lot. >> if there's -- there is no
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consolation. at least they were together. she wasn't alone. >> it's kind of a horrible thing because you don't want to say, like it's better that two people are gone than one. i suppose it's a small comfort to know they weren't alone. yeah. >> is there anything else you want people to know about emily? >> i think what people need to know about emily and yvonne is not -- i've seen articles saying like the five things you need to know about them. it's so hard because i don't think there's five things to know about them to put a person's life into five bullet points. it makes no sense to the people that know them. i think what people need to know about them and what people should know about them is that they were twonot two americans on a plane, not a mother and daughter. but yvonne and emily. two loving people who left behind friends and family who love and miss them a lot.
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that's the thing that people need to know about them. >> you always will. >> thank you so much for talking to us. >> thank you. >> horrible loss. we'll continue to bring you any late word. the possibility of one of two pilots had been locked out of flight deck of the aircraft. we'll jump back into it. we're on until the 10:00 hour on the east coast. there was other big news. sergeant bowe bergdahl charged with desertion after leaving his post before he was captured by taliban militants. more on that when we come back. active management. every day, our teams collaborate around the world to actively uncover, discuss and debate investment opportunities. which leads to better decisions for our clients. it's a uniquely collaborative approach you won't find anywhere else. put our global active management expertise to work for you. mfs. there is no expertise without collaboration.
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more breaking news tonight. bowe bergdahl. nearly a year after he returned to the united states as part of a controversial swap for five taliban prisoners, today the u.s. military charged bergdahl with desertion and a charge called misbehavior before the enemy for leaving his post in afghanistan in 2009 before he was captured and held captive by the taliban and his associates for five years. he could face life in a military prison. here's part of the announcement of the charges.
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sergeant bergdahl is charged under the uniform code of military justice with one count of article 85 desertion with intent to shirk important or hazardous duty and one count of article 99 misbehavior before the enemy by endangering the safety of a command, unit or place. >> also today we're learning more about the graphic details of bergdahl's five years in captivity in his own words. it's the first time we've heard it. we're joined from the pentagon. his lawyer released a letter and it really is dramatic what bowe bergdahl is saying. describe what he talks about in the letter about his captivity. >> well anderson it's the first time we've heard it in his own words. graphic physical details being beaten with a cord he tried to escape several times, he says but he was caught. he had no food and no water. his body gave out. he talks about being very very ill. let me just read you one thing
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that he says in this long letter of details. he says "i was kept in constant isolation for the entire five years with little to no understanding of time. told i was going to be executed. told i would have my ears and my nose cut off." very graphic details of what this man went through. but the military is making the point, his lawyer says one thing, the military will tell you he still will have to be held accountable for these charges. he left his post in a combat zone. that is not acceptable in the u.s. military obviously. his lawyer is going to try and make the case that there's been so much publicity about this that bergdahl may not be able to get a fair hearing on it and he's not someone who committed the act of desertion. app der son? >> is it true it included documents pertaining to bergdahl's military record essentially showing positive military reports prior to his leaving. >> that's right. one was very striking.
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back in may of 2011 let me just read you one of the documents. it says the secretary of the army have put special trust and confidence in the patriotism valor, fidelity and professional excellence of bowe bergdahl. he is therefore, promoted from specialist to sergeant. now, the military will tell you that when someone is held in captivity, did they get their regularly scheduled promotions. he also has several hundred thousand dollars in back pay. it's becoming clear the defense will make the clear, look you promoted him. yes, it was standard procedure. but you promoted him. you said he was patriotic. the national security adviser, susan rice said he served essentially with honor and distinction. how can you charge him with desertion. this will be an interesting case to follow for the next several months. anderson. >> barbara thank you very much.
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in the next hour we'll have a conversation with his attorney. the late breaking word tonight on the possibility that one of two pilots of flight 9525 had actually been locked out of the cockpit prior to the crash, was banging on the door and trying to break down the cockpit door to get back in. also ahead the lives lost and how they are being remembered by those who loved them tonight. hello. i am a fully automated investment advisory service. i can help you choose investments. monitor them. and rebalance your portfolio. i can do a lot of what humans can. except have a real conversation. if you'd like that, you can always speak to someone at schwab. they aren't algorithms. try not to hold it against them. say hello at
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somebody wanted to or been able to. this is a look at a switch inside a cockpit for opening that door. on the left side of that console right beside either crew member. back with our panel richard quest, david and peter. there's two options for that switch. >> right. there's three positions. off and this is the control that bolts that door shut. there's the off position the normal position then the locked position. so when someone leaves that cockpit, we're working on procedures right now to find out if they had the procedure if you're out of the cockpit you put it in the locked position. if not if it was in the normal position the co-pilot would have bep able to access the cockpit at that point. >> from the outside. >> correct. in this case from the information we have from the "new york times" it had to have been in the locked position or if not he could have overridden
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that and come in. >> i think that picture is on the upper left where it says cockpit. >> there's kind of a toggle switch there on the upper left. this has been modified because the printer was installed in this in the location it normally is. >> some tweets from people and it's a good question about if the plane is going down over the course of eight minutes and it's a gradual descent and there's a pilot banging on the cockpit door yelling to be let back in what about cell phone calls from passengers at least telling loved ones something is going on? >> look where it was. it's over the alps. no cell phone towers. you're five miles up to begin with and no cell phone towers that you can get a signal. so of course the passengers would have obviously realized the plane was descending and if this report is true they would have seen the commotion as he was hitting the door and would
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have transmitted right through the aircraft before very long. >> chilling thought. the crash of flight 9525 claimed 150 lives and that's important to continually remember. there are families friends had no warning no inkling they would not see their loved ones again. a moment of silence for opera singers outside the opera house in barcelona where the two had performed in a classic german opera. both singers were returning home to dusseldorf. ♪ maria was born there and on the plane with her husband and 18-month-old baby. oleg 4 years old was part of a german opera company based in the city. both internationally known singers, the opera world
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mourning the loss of the performers professionally and personally. >> i broke the news to the ensemble and we had a piano dress rehersal and i summoned everyone to the stage and told them the tragic news and they were sturndnned. people started crying. we couldn't go on with the rehearsal. >> three americans were also on board the flight 2005 them mother and daughter. emily a recent college graduate was traveling with her mother a u.s. government contract swror. emily was a music industry major in leg who graduated with recently worked for a company that provided office spaces. her father said the two loved traveling together. the family were deeply saddened calling emily and yvonne two wonderful caring amazing people who meant to so much to so many.
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another pair of family members traveling company, carol friday and her son greg from australia. they were on holiday together in europe 29-year-old greg wanted to find a job teaching english in france. carol just celebrated her 68th birthday on monday the day before the crash. the family of carol and greg said they were in deep disbelief and crippled with sadness. >> they will forever be with us in our hearts memories and dreams. >> maria was in her native spain for a funeral and was on her way home to the uk. she was traveling with her 7-month-old baby. they bought their airline tickets last minute. she just wanted to get home as soon as possible. paul just finished his first year studying hospitality and management in switzerland. he was on his way home to tuck with a stop over in dusseldorf. he was about to start an
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internship in his home country next week. his parents said and he was kind caring and loving son and the best son his mother said. he was my world. also on board the plane 16 students and two teachers from the same high school in germany. the head master said he hoped the studio audience missed their flight but then received the news that all of them were on board. the community left stunned. our condo lenlencecondolences. our live coverage continues into the next hour. we'll have more on the new "new york times" report that one of the two pilots was locked out of the cockpit before the crash, banging on the door corks not get back in. even tried to smash the door down. latest developments on that ahead.
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. 2:00 a.m. in the french alps where recover crews began the grim work of airlifting the remains of 150 people. we have some stunning breaking news that could completely change our view of what happened. reporting in the "new york times," citing a senior military official and forensic evidence the airbus a320 voice recorder that one pilot had