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s, for days there have been many people marching throughout the city. but peacefully. yes, there have been some arrests, but mostly for violation of curfews. that in stark contrast to what you saw monday when there were fires and there was looting. overnight, something like 50 arrests. >> this was the scene last night when many of those protesters converged here in this plaza in front of city hall. there seem to have been a concerted effort that they wanted to defy the curfew last night. it was 10:08 roughly when these people who were gathered together peacefully were taken down by these police officers and cuffed. it didn't appear as though anyone resisted arrest. in all, 15 people were taken into custody. and that came just hours after six police officers involved in freddie gray's arrest were
arrested. all of them surrendering voluntarily. and they have been charged with his death. all six officers today are out on bond. their whereabouts unknown. freddie gray's family and city leaders are urging for calm during today's marches. rallies are planned across the country today. in fact from los angeles, and to the east coast. in support of what is taking place here in baltimore. cnn's rene marsh is also here in baltimore. and so rene it is unclear of course where many of the officers are. we do know that they did surrender without incident. facing their charges. many of them have posted bond that was anywhere between 200 and $300,000. what do we no about their potential whereabouts or even their next moves? >> fred so of course we're at the intersection where there is a police presence. but nothing like what we saw in
the past few days. as far as the officers go. as you know this is a make up of five men and one woman. we know that not only did they post bond but the mayor called for their suspension. so the next court date is may 27th. that will be a preliminary hearing. but just yesterday, we all heard the state attorney come out and say, that the reason why she was filing charges, number one, freddie gray was illegally arrested. she also said that she believed that these officers based on the evidence that she's seen caused freddie gray's death by not seat belting him in. the back of that police van. and also for the fact that he asked for medical attention multiple times and they failed to provide him with that medical attention. so after her, her very swift and surprising announcement for many she is facing some criticism. take a listen.
>> the findings of our comprehensive, thorough and independent investigation coupled with the medical examiner's determination, that mr. gray's death was a homicide which we receive today. has led us to believe that we have probable cause to file criminal charges. >> in my 20 years career as law enforcement officer, and 16 years as an attorney i have never seen such a hurried rush to file criminal charges, which i believe are driven by forces which are separate and apart from the application of law. and the facts of this case as we know them. >> all right. so you heard there the attorney for the police union saying this appeared to him to be a rush to judgment. but what you talk to people out here in the community, many of them saying they trust this state attorney after all they did, elect her. but there have been calls for her to recuse herself. because as you know her husband
is a councilman in that very district where this incident happened. she says she is not going anywhere. she plans to stay with this case. fred? >> and so rene when you look behind you, it looks like there is a return to some normalcy in terms of saturday business. here it is a beautiful weekend day. the sun is out. it's expected that many people will be out. turn-out would be high. that's the expectation for the demonstration. but what are you seeing in terms of people who are just trying to go about their business. where you are? >> yeah you know this looks like a regular saturday morning. compared to yesterday. if you can see here this is the check-cashing place that we saw the images of. they were looting, it's now kind of been turned into kind of a police headquarters for officers. but the police presence is drastically drawn back from what i saw yesterday.
traffic is moving relatively well. if you just kind of scan over you can show them traffic. remember yesterday, traffic was kind of backed up because you had all of these people in the middle of this intersection pennsylvania and west north avenue just celebrating with their signs. and so it was kind of a bit of gridlock here. but you don't see any of that it kind of looks like a normal saturday morning. we do know that we expect some activity here, in the way of some rallies that i know you'll talk about later. but things look good and in talking to people here many of them say they're happy about the news. but on the other hand, they say they know this is not over. there still is a trial that has to take place. >> rene marsh thank you so much. we'll check back with you. so much many of the demonstrators will be gathering roughly about three or four miles away. not far from where you saw rene marsh. making their way across the city here. before they end up here right outside of city hall.
our nick valencia is also going to be out there. we'll check back with him momentarily. when you look behind me. if we can get just a sense of what will happen likely when many of the demonstrators come here this is what they'll be met with yes, this is a beautiful day. which means many people will be out on this lovely day. they'll also be met at the city hall by a flank of police and national guard. you're seeing some chairs that are set up there. for a number of people who will be speaking and taking to a microphone later on when the demonstrators make their way here. about a three or four-mile trek. and there will also be music. if you're going to be with us throughout the day. you're going to hear the volume is going to change. you see one of the musicians setting up right here. getting ready for that mixer board. so yes as rene said. it's celebratory in a way. but at the same time while there's some relief. there's also some reserve. let's talk more about the charges, that the six officers have faced. with me now you joey jackson, hln's legal analyst and criminal
defense attorney. also with me here in baltimore. criminal defense attorney mark o'mara who represented trayvon martin in the george zimmerman case. he's joining us in london and with me is sheryl dorsey. a retired los angeles police sergeant and a member of the national coalition of law enforcement officers for justice. joey let me begin with you first, because i mention there's both relief as well as there is some research. there are many people that we heard from the city who are excited about the idea that there have been charges brought. but there's reserve because anything can happen between now and potential trial. what do you see as the road ahead, as it pertains to these charges? >> sure fredricka. just breaking it down remember it's an indictment. what an indictment is an accusation that says two things one, there's probable cause to believe that a crime was committed and b, that the officers committed it.
with it being an accusation it's part of due process, what does due process mean? notice and an opportunity to be heard. at some point, the officers will be heard through their defense counsel in terms of what their defenses are. i think we're going to learn a lot as we move forward, fredricka, about police regulations, about police rules and about issues we call negligence and recklessness. just breaking it down. think what they'll talk about is they'll talk about what generally you should do if you're an officer. if someone needs medical assistance how would you dend to them. what duties you would have to provide for the appropriate care prisoners that you transport. i think that will be a pretty significant issue here. because they're not talking about when you look and analyze the charges that there's real intent to kill him. but if you look at the highest charge the driver for example, there's a charge of second-degree murder. and many people are questioning why that's the case. well it's the case because the assertion is that he acted with such depravity of human life. someone is screaming, i need medical assistance i need help what does he do? the prosecutor will say he picked up another prisoner as opposed to tending to him and so
i think we'll learn about depravity. we'll learn about what we call criminal negligence. which is carelessness the failure to act when you have a duty to act and finally we'll hear about recklessness. the conscious disregard of life when you know a life is at issue. >> so mark o'mara let me bring you to the equation here. we heard the prosecutor say the reason why she came out the way she did, and presented these charges, is for the sake of transparency. and at the same time she also said i hear you. i hear the voices of frustration. i hear people who want justice, why do you see these as potential conflicts? >> well miss mosby took a very aggressive and quick decision to make these charges. and she was in part responding to the enormous amount of pressure that was on her and on the system with the officers and with the death in having to hold somebody responsible so i know that she's going to get some criticism for having rushed to judgment. people will say that for having made a decision that was more attending to the social
pressures than the true rule of law. so that's on one side. that's what slees going to have do look at and defend. she's the elected prosecutor who has made a quick decision after about ten days worth of review. where she said she's taken the time she feels necessary to deal with the charges. these are the charges she's come up with. why has she done did? the aggressiveness of the charges is to make sure she has an opportunity to negotiate with at least a couple of them the lower ones particularly the two charged with misdemeanors. she knows she's got to break any code of silence that exists between these six officers and the way to do that is to negotiate with at least a couple of them she needs an insight as to what happened how it happened. and why it happened. and if she can turn one or two of those right now co-defendants to testify against the other, more culpable ones that's going to help. >> do you see that happening? >> yes, i do and here's why, it almost has to. i think it's going to happen
because one, that's the traditional prosecutorial role and it has to happen in a case wrr we don't have a videotape inside that van as to what happened. so she's going to want to have coming from the voice of one of those cops' mouths how it happened why it happened and why everybody didn't do what they're supposed to, do as police officers offering aid to mr. gray. so i see it happening. >> okay. so sheryl you know these officers surrendered, they've all posted bond. talk to me about the complications that come with police officers booking their own? these officers had to face some of their colleagues. when they were when they were arrested or when they surrendered and when they were booked for charges. give me an idea what that is like? >> i'm sure it was very embarrassing for the police officers. because normally they're on other side of the desk right? i'm sure it was very hard for their peers. these are people that they work with these are people that they lunch with. these are people that they may
very well socialize with. >> do you believe this is enough to cause fissures or divisions in the police department? >> i believe those that are there to do the right thing will want the right thing to have been done in their name. i think they will not appreciate those that tarnish that badge that they all wear. and so while it may hurt them to have to book a colleague, i don't think that it will outweigh the notion that they don't want their profession tarnished. because of bad doing. >> joey we heard the prosecutor say she comes from a long line of police officers. >> mom, father grandfather. sure. >> so she says prosecutors have to work with police officers in order to prosecute crimes, fight crime. does this create a new problem, particularly for baltimore? >> it could fredricka. i think the prosecutor was also pretty clear in saying look you honor and you salute police and this is not an indictment on the entirety of the baltimore police department. or police throughout the country who do a fine job protecting
serving, keeping us safe. >> with a string of a i ledged brutality. now there is an association that's being made with each case. there is a connection. and there are people who have already expressed that these charges or what happened here the investigation here is symbolic of a string of alleged brutality. >> that's a great point. when you look at the charges, the prosecutor was very specific as to what their office feels they can prove as to each and every officer. for example, the officers who are involved in the arresting of freddie gray there's a false implichbments charge why? a feeling by the prosecutor that there was not even probable cause to arrest. so her charges are very specific. you know look that's large dynamic this is a broader question we could talk about the use of force nationally. but i think what this prosecutor did is found, at least to this point that this is what we're pursuing. the officers certainly will have
their day in court where they say no this is why i'm not guilty. >> and real quick, mark o'mara if i could ask you, as it pertains to these officers. it seems we're talking about the van driver who is facing the most serious charge. but if that medical examiner's report is challenged and if it is determined that perhaps the injury came before he got into the van, as opposed to the injury the fatal injury happening in the van, what will that do to his potential case? >> well specific to that question certainly if the injury that led to his death occurred outside the van, then the driver can't be held liable for that death. i think we're going to find out that what the medical examiner's report is going to show is that the injury the spinal injury happened because he was bouncing around the back of that van. like a pinball. so i think that's probably what's going to happen. we don't know very much about this case yet. i think it's very very unique however, that this prosecutor decided to charge six out of six. i don't know how it's not going to be looked at as an indictment
of law enforcement when each and every one of the cops involved were charged with at least one crime. and i think that's something we're going to have to deal with more societally than just this case and we have to realize that if every one of those officers are now facing criminal charges and it was or wasn't a conspiracy that we have a concern with the entire police department. in baltimore and probably throughout the country. not to indict them. but we're going to hold them to that that standard we're going to have to train them better. pay them better and we're going to have to have a more professional police departmentorry where, if this is the standard we're going to hold them to. >> look innocent until proven guilty. i think it's important to be very clear here. that as to each charge there were specific conduct alleged as to what they did or didn't do. so it was just not a brush of charges because he you were there. there were specific allegations, they'll have a trial and assert that they didn't do it. i think that's why the
indictment came down. >> we have time to talk about that further. we're going to be with you all at home four hours today from baltimore. mark o'mara. joey jackson, sheryl dorsey i'll see the two of you a bit later as well. appreciate it. we'll have much more from the news room right here in baltimore, right after this. fortunately, many have found a different kind of medicine that lowers blood sugar. imagine what it would be like to love your numbers. discover once-daily invokana®. it's the #1 prescribed in the newest class of medicines that work with the kidneys to lower a1c. invokana® is used along with diet and exercise to significantly lower blood sugar in adults with type 2 diabetes. it's a once-daily pill that works around the clock. here's how: the kidneys allow sugar to be absorbed back into the body. invokana® reduces the amount of sugar allowed back in and sends some sugar out
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this plaza in front of city hall. and right to my right over here you've got music, you've got chairs set up and microphones all poised for the activity later on today. for now, let's talk about the what's next. now that six baltimore police officers have been charged in the death of freddie gray. earlier in april. here with me right now. reverend allen guinn. with baptist church. you served 23 years on the baltimore police force. you've been among many who have tried to encourage people yes, demonstrate, gather but keep it peaceful at the same time you have your connection with the baltimore police department. is there a conflict for you? or do you feel like your message is resounding is clear. and is being appreciated? >> well i don't, it's not a conflict for me it puts me in a very unique position because i understand the cultures that exist in the baltimore city police department. and being a native baltimoren i
understand the communities that we are engaging in. it puts me in a unique position of being able to speak with the community. with the understanding of how things work operationally. with the baltimore city police department. it doesn't conflict the message at all. >> when you hear the mayor say she wants to see reform in fact she invited the justice department to look at collaborative reform your experience with the baltimore police department, what would be your recommendations on reform to help address what many in the community, we have seen over the past two weeks or so of demonstrations express. there's a frustration about the mistrust of baltimore police. >> well, there's a federal task force on 21st century policing. something needs to be experienced on the local level. i would kind of recommend that they have a detailed commission on police in which you bring in law enforcement officials, city government officials and community -- >> why is that not happening? community policing is something
that seems ingrained particularly in large cities. it would seem that baltimore, maryland would be incorporating community policing. it hasn't? >> well there's been a lot of policy shift in with regard of how we police the city of baltimore. there's where some of the problem lies. i remember at one particular point in my career it seems as though people were the reason for our work. and then there was a shift when people became the object of our work. so when you have these shifts that kind of take place, we shift away from the soft engage. of community policing and engaging in the communities and we become very numbers-driven. because we want to be able to quantify in some way the work that we're doing. so because of that a lot of the officers are caught in a very difficult conflict. in terms of how they police. because their performance is directly related to having the arrest that they're making and the impact of those arrests. >> what's your gut reaction to the charges of these police officers? >> well i believe that the state's attorney's office did
their job. i believe they were presented with the evidence in the case and she moved with deliberate speed in presenting an indictment. but let's be clear, it's just the beginning of the process. it's going to be a long process, they'll have their day in court and the state will have an opportunity to present the full case. >> you hear from a number of people throughout baltimore who say they're relieved that there are charges. at the same time that's lot of reserve. because just as you just underscored this is just a step in a process. how concerned are you that these charges as serious as they are, involving six police officers. only adds to a mistrust that people in the community would have of police? >> well i think the good thing in all of this is that state's attorney marilyn mosby is a new state's attorney in the city of baltimore. a lot of what we're going to be looking for is to see how she's going to respond to this clearly if we had a history with regards to how she performs we would be basing it on the history. right now we're only basing it on the history of the past
performance of other state's attorneys, she has the opportunity at this particular time to kind of move the confidence in the state's attorney's office in a positive direction. think she's already done that. >> she is new, she is young. and she made some very strong statements about these charges. and that she hears people when they say that they want justice for freddie gray. do you see of those critics who say there's a conflict of interest that there's an argument there. >> i don't particularly see a conflict of trxt the reality of it is when you represent the people who elected you, and you have a responsibility to execute the duties of your office you do that. and i believe that that's exactly what she did. she was presented the case. i've taken cases to grand juries and gotten indictments with similar amounts of evidence. so i don't really see where there's a conflict in her statements and the actions that she performed. she did her job and with great expediency. >> reverend alvin quinn.
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is today in baltimore it's sunny and expectations are high that thousands people will turn out to march through the streets of baltimore and end up here. outside city hall. all demonstrating in solidarity for freddie gray who was killed while in police custody. in april. we heard charges of six officers all being held responsible for his death yesterday. the hope is that the demonstrations will be peaceful. as they have been all week long. except for that night on monday. everyone recalls the looting and
the fires that erupted, but there has been a sense of calm during the demonstrations ever since. the majority there have been as a result 6 curfews that have been violated. that 10:00 p.m. to 5:00 a.m. curfew. so right outside of what is still the blackened, gutted-out cvs at north and pennsylvania avenue. there are people who are gathering for a day of demonstrations and among them our nick valencia. you'll be there with the many demonstrators who will be making their way throughout baltimore. >> what is happening today, what is usually a day saturday a families getting together, a beautiful day like this i'm hearing hammering behind you. it sounds like they're stick picking up and cleaning up five days after monday. >> just a little while ago. just a little while ago, we saw a handful of people cleaning up.
what remains of this burned-out cvs, a violence and looting here on north avenue and pennsylvania it's a stark contrast to what we're seeing today. the images juxtaposed with the very peaceful gatherings here. having conversations with healing and rebuilding aaron cook 22 years old, young man in baltimore, you've come out to talk about your city why? >> it's my city it's my city. it's our city. it's the people. we live here. people put hard work and 0 money here. they work lard to build this. putting in taxes for this. the people that do work if you got a job, if you got an income coming in. when you stand here looking at this boarded-up cvs, the only pharmacy in this neighborhood. what goes through your mind when
you look at this. >> it's sad that it had to come with this. >> for real. it's sad it had to come to this. to get justice, that's not right. >> what is justice to you, what do you measure that by? >> it was right. >> what's right. we got all of this evidence you're seeing it. there's nothing else to prove. if you see this on camera you witnessed it. you know what happened. >> what's next for your city. you're very frustrated looking at this. what the community did to a business here. what's next for your city? >> i mean hopefully we get answers, that's what we want.
residents here they don't like what happened to their city. they don't like that it came to this point. today the demonstrations will continue. people will start at the gill more homes, three blocks here where freddie gray was arrested and march towards city hall at about 12:00 p.m. we expect a rally to start with the black national lawyers association the rallies planned all across the united states from lexington, kentucky baton rouge, los angeles and atlanta. we're expecting another day of demonstrations, by and large police i've spoken to here say they expect it to be peaceful. i'm told by crew who is have been here the first day we've not seen police on this corner riot gear. fredricka? protests will be taking place
across the country as we saw the map there statement of the demonstrations today. it's expected that many people will be dpromg out of town. yesterday i was at the press conference involving the the gray family representation and richard shipley, the step father said if you come to baltimore, you must come with peace. he said freddie wouldn't want this. he wouldn't want more jobs lost. we're going to bring you more from the press conference later on. and next we take you inside a police transport van just like the one where the state attorney says freddie gray, that his neck was broken.
hello, everyone i'm fredricka witfield in the cnn news room. welcome back to baltimore. where we are live. you are hearing a lot of music in the background. because some people here in the city are distinguishing this day as a celebratory one after six baltimore police officers have been charged with the death of 5-year-old freddie gray. i want to give you an idea of what demonstrators will see when they come to city hall today. because the expectation is the numbers will be in the thousands. when they get here they're still going to see a flank of police officers and national guard right outside city hall here. they're also going to see this stage set. we're hearing the music, you have mixing board here. you see chairs because people will be filling those chairs and there will be speakers who will take to the podium. they're all digesting the information of the six charges, the charges that were imposed on the police officers the baltimore state's attorney marilyn mosby says the injury that led to freddie gray's death
happened inside the police transport van. gray was not seat belted in that van. cnn's gary tuchman shows us what it's like inside a police transport van and what possibly could have happened during gray's ride. >> if you are handcuffed if your legs are shackled you're not seatbelted you're very vulnerable. this is a police van, dekalb county georgia police van. the normal protocol when you put someone in this van, you handcuff them. right? behind their back. >> yes, they do. >> we go out and play the prisoner. you go in silt here put on the belt. >> yes, that is true. >> i have the cuffs, you put on the belt. >> that's the protocol. you always put on the seat belt. >> always put on the seat belt. >> this case we know the seat belt wasn't put on. what we know from the state's attorney's statement is after the first stop they brought gray outside the police van again. they handcuffed him, rehandcuffed him for some reason apparently behind his back.
not in front, behind his back. they shackled him and threw him on his stomach, face-first inside this van. if you're face-first like this lying on your stomach with your hands behind your back and your legs shackled there's no way for you to get up. lieutenant is there any way to get up if you're like this? >> it's incredibly hard. >> have you ever seen anyone do that before? >> it's almost impossible. >> it's almost impossible. >> if there's a rough ride in this van. this is theoretically what happened he could be trying to get up and if it's bouncing pand your head hits the metal. up and down, your head hits the metal. we've heard a lot about a bolt. he had a bolt injury enter his head if he's lying down here that's where the bolt is. regarding the communication, you heard the prisoner on the other side to separate the genders and put dangerous criminals on one side nondangerous criminals on the other side.
if he was yelling and screaming, someone should have heard him. even if you're shackled you can do that you can yell go inside here for a second can you hear me? >> yes, i can. >> even if the engine is running, can you hear me? >> yes, sir. >> what if you're up front? >> i can still hear you. >> are you always listening for people back here? >> yes, we are. >> we don't know exactly what happened. but we know that the state's attorney said he was lying on his stomach. it's very narrow here. there would have been no way for him to get up. if it was a rough ride he could have been bouncing back and forth. >> all right so that's the assessment all based on the medical examiner's report. you heard the prosecutor the state's attorney who said that the injury the fatal injury of freddie gray was sustained inside that van. we're going to talk to a medical examiner right after the break to find out if she agrees with that assessment. right after this. look, jamie, maybe we weren't the lowest rate this time.
. welcome back we're live in baltimore. fredricka witfield baltimore's medical examiner has ruled freddie gray's death a homicide. by the hands allegedly of six police officers faced with charges yesterday. the prosecutor concluding that freddie gray's death occurred in the transport vehicle as he was unbelted. dr. judy melnick is with us from san francisco. a board-certified forensic pathologist and author of the book "working stiff." so dr. melnick, do you agree with the assessment that his injuries the fatal injuries of
a snapped or broken spinal cord would have taken place inside the transport vehicle? >> i think it's premature to come to that conclusion. because the medical examiner's report was released to the attorneys general, but it hasn't been made public yet. what we do know about the injuries from what the family was told in the hospital was that he had fractured cervical vertebrae, broken bones, as well as damage to his larynx the voice bok. the cervical bones are thinnest in the back and the voice box is in the front. so you can have a fracture that occurs during the takedown before he gets into the van. but it won't necessarily have sliced the cord. it would just still be an alignment. but the nerves that run in the middle are still in place. then the rough ride in the van without being restrained could
have exacerbated it. and then cut through the cord. so all of the injury may not have occurred just in the van. it could have also occurred during the takedown or when he was lifted and brought into the van. one thing you have to keep in mind is that in the video, it looks like he's not really using his legs going into the van and it's not clear if that's the beginning of paralysis or if he's just not cooperating with being placed in the van. >> and we're showing that video. because in that video you also see in addition to the observation you just made about the legs you see that his head seems like it is turned to the side. would that also be indicative of the kind of injuries you just explained, that possibly an injury could have taken place here at the voice box and in the back of the neck. prior to getting into the van and then that injury being exacerbated? >> that's the thing that is important is that the autopsy report only shows you the end point. and it can't distinguish between
injuries that occur close in proximity to each other. there could have been injury that caused damage during the takedown. but that wasn't immediately threatening and then that injury was exacerbated by further events that happened in the van. subsequently. so you can't just say, everything occurred in the van just because he stopped breathing in the van. you have to look at the whole process. >> so then doctor quickly under 30 seconds, is it possible at this jumgtncture to ever determine a timeline of that injury. if indeed an injury were to take place in the, on the takedown. how could that timeline be narrowed? >> that timeline can be narrowed based on the investigative aspect. so for example, what did witnesses see during the takedown? did an officer have a knee for instance on his neck? did he fall a certain way, and how did he fall when he got down to the ground.
how was he lifted? was he moving his legs at all during the process? or was there evidence that he was somewhat injured or paralyzed? his yelling during the video indicates that there's possibly some pain involved. so that can also help elucidate what exactly happened. but we're not going to figure this out until we have the whole investigation, not just the autopsy. >> so who would make that determination? would it be an issue of the medical examiner modifying that report based on that kind of information if the same kind of discoveries were made? or would that mean another, another party that would have to be involved to come do that conclusion? >> well the medical examiner's report wasn't made public what we heard was third-hand from the state's attorney how they interpreted the findings. and ultimately a report just documents the findings. it's up to a forensic expert to interpret that in a court setting, based on the hypotheticals that they're given. so the medical examiner when they testify are given the
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welcome back to baltimore. so what now for the baltimore police department? how does the department restore faith with the public after the arrest of six of its own in the death of 25-year-old freddie gray? cheryl dorsi-is the retired lapd police sergeant member and national coalition of law enforcement officers for jut. in atlanta, cedric alexander, president of the national organization of black law enforcement executives and a public safety director in de kalb county georgia. cheryl first, if i may, is there a mixed message here between police when you have the commissioner who said more than a week ago that things were done incorrectly and he cited specifically that freddie gray should have been buckinged and administered medical care but then you hear the fraternal or of police and other baltimore police representatives who say, this is unjust it was a rush to
judgment. so does this bring about real consternation or perhaps more problems within the police department? does it create new fractures? >> they each have a role to play. the fraternal order attorney's his job is to protect officers about any means necessary. that's his story and he's sticking to it. >> is the commissioner in the -- >> on this one, he's going to wash his hand of the officers and be honest about what we know was inappropriate behavior. you don't get to say i don't want to reach over somebody and seat belt them in but later reach down and put shackles on their feet. you don't get to transport someone in the back of a van who is seemingly relatively healthy and moments later find out now they're not breathing. you don't get to forget to put down all of 0 the stops that you made because understand those officers know exactly how many stops that they made and but for this video now showing that
additional stop that wasn't reported they've got some explaining to done so chief has to be honest and forth right about his role in this. i applaud him for that. i'm hopeful that going forward, we will continue to have that kind of transparency and openness. >> cedric do you see potentially this causes more division or is it -- is it possible that baltimore police would become more unified as a result? >> at the end of the day, once it runs its process, that department is going to be a much better department going over. they have a great commissioner with commissioner batts and it's without question we've seen this there's parts of the communities that feel very much disenfranchised and i'm certain that that police department will move past this do things they need to do to build trust and legitimacy within the community. and it's going -- >> how do you do that? >> the way you do it -- >> it's not as simple as that. >> it's not as simple as that at all. the way you do it quite
frankly, is this get out into the communities, particularly communities where we have young people particularly those communities where people feel disenfranchised. we have to merge those relationships. we have to insert ourselves in there. not just as police officers burke as guardians of that community, of that community. once we do that we're going to begin gradually, over time and not overnight thing but overtime you begin to see relationship change. but that is basic fundamentally what has to happen first. >> all right. we'll have to leave it right there. cedric alexander, cheryl dorsey. more trade ahead in "the newsroom." afood trio... ...if it looks tasty you order it. choose 3 of 9 dishes for just $15.99. like baked lobster alfredo. brown butter shrimp scampi. and soy-ginger salmon. hey, this is my plate. get yours while you still can.
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baltimore police officers have been charged with death of freddie gray. it has been a week of protests of demonstrations mostly peaceful. there have been some arrests but mostly because of the curfew from 10:00 p.m. to 5:00 a.m. curfews that have been broken. a stark contrast to what the nation witnessed here in baltimore monday evening. on monday evening there were fires, there was looting, and indeed, there were a number of arrests. but the video that you just saw were the arrests from last night again, these arrests were mostly people who were defying the curfew curfew 10:08 when the police officers in their riot gear moved in here at this park outside city hall and made the arrests using though plastic cuffs. 15 people in all, as we understand were arrested. those demonstrators said they
were here in solidarity for freddie gray. six baltimore police officers have been charged in his death. all officers today are out on bond posting bond between $200,000 and $300,000. their whereabouts today, unknown. city leaders are urging for calm for today's marches. in fact the stepfather of freddie gray said yesterday, if you come to baltimore, come with peace. freddie gray wouldn't want people to lose their jobs and that family doesn't want to see any unrest here. rallies, indeed planned across the country, as far west as los angeles. you see on the map, chapel hill north carolina richmond virginia boston and even pittsburgh pennsylvania all in support of baltimore and freddie gray. cnn's rene marsh is at north avenue in pennsylvania, where marchers are gathering today, that's where we've seen the bulk of demonstrations throughout the
week. renee, i understand you just spoke with the man who shot that video, everyone now has witnessed freddie gray's takedown his arrest because of this cell phone video. what was that conversation like? what did he reveal? >> reporter: well fred his name's kevin moore, and you may or may not know his name but you certainly know that video that we've come so -- come to know so well. this is the first time that he's done a television interview since state attorney announced charges will be filed against those six officers. here's what he had to say just moments ago about the moment that he heard that charges will be filed. >> so how did you feel knowing, right after, that you played a hand in this when the state prosecutor made that announcement? just knowing that connection that you had a hand in this what was your thought about what you did? >> i cried.
my natural instinct was to cry. i couldn't believe. it was -- it suz surreal. >> reporter: why did you cry? >> because -- it's a shame, right, it took so many people to come together and unify because my friend freddie died. >> reporter: well you know being here on the street in this intersection i witnessed so many people coming up to this man and saying, thank you, because so many people believed that had it not been for the video, this movement surrounding freddie gray wouldn't have been as big and as national as it has become, fred. >> now, what is his life been like since that video was made public? public? >> reporter: well you know he's a part of this group called cop watch where their goal is to go around and videotape situations in which they feel
the police perhaps may be using force that is not adequate or not necessary for that particular situation. so they're continuing to do that but he told me, he was locked up yesterday, arrested yesterday, we don't know at this point because we just spoke to him what the reason from the police standpoint is for that rest but he told me that he wasn't charged with anything. of course we haven't been down to the booking center to find out if any charges were filed. but again, he said he was simply out here, froefting protesting and then under arrest. because of his work he may become a target but he says that is not going stop his cause, he's going to continue to walk the streets of baltimore and if he witnesses a situation that he feels police officers are not acting appropriately, he is walking around with a video camera he has it all the time. 4 says in his words it's always locked and loaded and he's ready to capture any other events like
this. fred? >> all right. rene marsh, thank you, you're at a location where many will be gathering before they walk through the streets of baltimore and make their way here to the steps of city hall. so kevin moore, certainly brought the world's attention by way of his videotape there of freddie gray. but what happened along the way? there were lots of gaps in this investigation until we heard from state's attorney who then filled in some of the blanks. here now is cnn's miguel marquez. >> reporter: this is where it all started, say prosecutors, on sunday april 12th, freddie gray walked out of this shop with a cup of coffee and looked police officers directly in the eye. gray ran, the store is just down there he went to these narrow alleyways here zigzagging trying to get away from police. that's where the original arrest was made and then police moved him to this location right here putting him in a painful leg
lace hole. the police reported he had a switch blade on him. in reality, it was something more like this a knife perfectly legal here. state's attorney saying there is no reason for the arrest. >> lieutenant rice officer miller, and officer nero illegally arrested mr. gray. >> reporter: it was here the state's attorney says gray said he was having trouble breathing and asked for an inhaler. his request, denied help was placed in the transport van and not buckled in. this is baker street the first place the transport vehicle carrying mr. gray stopped. in the little video we have we can see him, hanging half in half out of the van. this is where the state's attorney says that he was shackled by the legs his arms behind his back and placed in the van head-first on his stomach. she says it was that treatment that led to his death. >> following transport from baker street mr. gray suffered a severe and critical neck injury. >> reporter: this was the second stop for mr. gray captured on
the surveillance cameras of that store there. despite it being aen condition check, the driver of the truck checked him out, did nothing for him, and drove on for a third time without buckling him in. this is the third stop for mr. gray in the transport vehicle, two times says the state's attorney he asked for medical assistance here. two times he was denied. the only thing, she says officers did for him at that location was pick him off the floor, put him on the seat still not buckle. the fourth stop for mr. gray the exact same corner where all of this started. the state's attorney saying that the only female officer, alicia white, checked on him, speaking to the back of his head he was unresponsive. and for a fifth time they failed to buckle him in. this was the final stop for mr. gray the western district police station. now under heavy guard. despite the fact it's only a few blocks where he was arrested it
it took nearly an hour to get him here. once here they first turn their attention to the other prisoner in the transport vehicle, then mr. gray. by then, he had stopped breathing. >> extraordinary detail. perhaps many people wondering, so for weeks now, the gaps what happened in between those stops? some of what we know now, based on the state's attorney general who provided that information. so i'm joined by joey jackson, he's hln's legal analyst and criminal defense attorney and cheryl dorsey formerly of the los angeles police department as a sergeant. thanks to both of you joining me. this is noisy here. a place of many demonstrator mz hopefully we can get through the music right now. people can still hear us. that time line certainly filled in a lot of blanks. what transpired likely before or even after the videotape that the world saw about how he was
detained. when you saw the sequins of events cheryl you first, when it does highlight how some potential suspects are arrested and how they are transported, what strikes you about that time line? >> well this is what i understood all along, what happened to freddie gray was about punishment right? i understand that those officers probably have a history with him because he lives in that area they work in that area. >> you have a word for that. >> contemptive cop. >> absolutely. >> what does ta mean? >> what that means, if you don't do what i tell you to do as a police officer, there's a price to pay. if you run, if you don't come here if you don't comply if you don't stop resisting, there's a price to pay, and we've seen what that price is it's death, right in the case of eric garner, tagarner tameer rice now freddie gray who makes eye contact and runs. suspects running is inherent to police work. we understand if a suspect runs, it's my duty as an officer to
get some exercise. you don't get to kill him. what went on in that van is absolutely what i suspected, punishment. they made those stops because, i believe, someone got in the back of that van and i believe they dealt with him as they said in their report, and then when they realized they really hurt him, now they're trying to figure out, how do we explain this. >> so early on joey before we heard from the state's attorney yesterday, the prosecutor there was an understanding that at certain high crime areas the police are allowed to pursue a suspect and that invitation apparently was used in this case, because the suspect or this person was running, because he was running, they had license to pursue him. but when we heard from the prosecutor yesterday, it seems as though that permission was denied. she says there was no probable cause and there was no reason and he had not been unlawful the knife that he had was within
regulation. so does this mean that that i guess, federal allowance is not used in a city like baltimore? >> let's break it down. when the federal government speaks and the supreme court in particular speak, they speak for the country. the supreme court has said to be fair if you're in a high crime area supreme court case it's not indicative of criminality but it could be suggestive of it so says the supreme court. so that gives, and let's talk about two things that gives reasonable suspicion in order to approach apotentially frisk somebody it done give probable cause for arrest. that could escalate later. there's various encounters when you engage with someone in terms of escalating, you know the type of force that you could use or the type of attention. that's going to be very important. defense attorneys will argue that they made eye contact, he engaged in nervous movements, he
ran and the prosecution will say, so what in that's not suggestive of a crime. the defense attorneys will point to the supreme court case and say, there's a case that says we can chase them detain them search them. but briefly, in terms of the time line and the gaps what the prosecutors are going to use that for is to show they checked on him, they had knowledge that he was in distress and they willfully failed to provide aid, and that goes to the issue of criminality. so that's how prosecutors are going to use that to buttress their case against the officers. >> okay. all right. thanks so much, joey cheryl. we'll have more from the newsroom right here in baltimore. right after this.
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baltimore in the newsroom. when you're hear seems to be a festive atmosphere. but let me explain. this will be the destination for thousands people who will be marching through baltimore. and they will eventually make their way right here to the city hall. and i say there is some sort of celebration because there have been many people who have expressed some relief now that state's attorney has imposed charges against six police officers. but at the same time there is some restraint because anything can happen between now and any potential trial. i want you to kind of get an idea of what it looks like here downtown in baltimore right outside city hall. just to my right, over here you are seeing a number of people who are already starting to gather here at war memorial plaza. even though the thousands of people are roughly four miles away in which they'll begin their walk through the city and converge here many people have
already collected here at this plaza. you see the deejay also playing music, you see seated that are in position for many people who will be speaking and taking to the podium and you also see a very significant presence of baltimore police as well as the national guard in place here outside city hall and quite frankly, throughout downtown baltimore. as a result of those charges that have been imposed on the six police officers this is the kind of sentiment that we are seeing throughout the city. my colleague don lemon had an opportunity to talk with marilyn moseby after she made the announcement of the charges and he asked her about the investigation overall. >> let's talk about the -- what's happening now, what you just did. you just completed your investigation has left you with no doubt these six officers are responsible for freddie gray's
death? >> i can't really get into the specifics of the case but as a prosecutor you should not bring charges if you don't believe you have probable cause that these individuals are responsible for the charges. i understand the time, commitment sacrifice that these police officers make time away from their families on a day-to-day basis, you know risking their lives for the betterment of our communities. but, at the same time recognizing that these officers are making those sacrifices and i'm not saying in particularly with this case those officers that usurp their authority you have to be able to hold them accountable because it does a disservice to the hard-working police officers. >> so who exactly is this young prosecutor, 35-year-old marilyn mosby? nick valencia take a look at the woman who stepped into the glare of the international spotlight. >> reporter: shortly after being elected, chief prosecutor
baltimore's city state attorney marilyn mosby said prosecutors have quote, the toughest job in america. but the world's attention on her on friday she made an unexpected announcement. dressed in pearls and a black jacket baltimore state attorney stands tall she chooses her next words carefully. >> the findings of our comprehensive, thorough and independent investigation coupled with the medical examiner's determination that mr. gray's death was a homicide which we received today has led us to believe that we have probable cause to file criminal charges. >> i learned very early that life isn't always fair. that tomorrow is uncertain, and the environment you grow up in will either build you or break you. >> reporter: a self-described product of adversity and triumph, marilyn mosby the youngest chief prosecutor of any major city. elected in january, the
35-year-old campaigned with passion, personality, and made her case for the people's trust. >> what's happening in the state of the city right now a rash of violence has everything to do with the state's attorney who is completely out 0 touch with various communities throughout the city. >> reporter: mosby's views on crime and punishment shaped when she was young, her mother father grandfather, four uncles all wore a badge. born in boston's inner city she would choose to go her own way, beaming with optimism her life was ripped apart after her cousin's death. mistaken by another teen for a drug dealer. he was killed on her front doorsteps. >> having to go to court and see my neighbor who had the courage and awe dasstyudacity to cooperate with the police testify in court and the way in which the district attorneys of office dealt with
my family i knew i wanted to be an attorney. >> reporter: she was the first in her family to go to college. it where she met her husband, current baltimore city councilman nick mosby. >> she's a strong woman. you know she was built for this. >> reporter: with her words on friday morning it's mosby who may have single-handedly restored the faith among the people of baltimore at a time when they needed it the most. >> accountability. >> how are we going to get there? >> you're getting it today. >> all six officers involved in freddie gray's death have been charged. but still yet to be determined is if they will be found guilty. nick valencia, cnn, atlanta. >> well let's talk more about the road ahead for marilyn mosby and the rest of baltimore. joining me by skype, baltimore's first african-american mayor between 1983 and 1987. he also was a state attorney and is now the president of the
university of baltimore. good to see you, mr. mayor. >> thank you very much. good to see you, too. >> or mr. president. you have so many incredible titles. you take your pick. which one do you want? >> i ask people at the university to just call me kurt and that satisfies everybody. one quick correction. >> i dare not to do that. >> i was president from '99. >> i'll call you mr. mayer and president. how about that? some are considering the charges a relief and then there are those who say we have to be careful. they have to have some reserve. how do you see it? >> it's both. it's both. for the many who live in freddie gray's area of the city and the other lower economic level areas of the city, i think was a big relief but i know from my
experience as a state's attorney that it's very difficult to convict police officers of criminal acts so those people who are saying take a wait and see attitude are actually reasonable in their reserve. >> and you've heard the fraternal order of police the attorney who said this was a rush to judgment that this -- these charges come too fast. do you agree with that? >> that i don't agree with because i believe that what miss mosby did was start an independent investigation that was going kind of parallel to the police investigation. so she has independent investigator she can also call upon other investigator sources. i think, particularly in listening to her lay out the time line that she was pretty
thorough and that there was a basis for those charges. now, whether, you know the problem for the state's attorney is that she has to prove these things beyond a reasonable doubt, which is a very high standard. if we were just talking about a lawsuit for wrongful death, the kind of case that the gray family will probably bring against the city that has a much lower standard. that's a civil law standard and the police have already admitted negligence. so the gray family's likely to win a wrongful death suit again the city. but whether the state's attorney can prove beyond a reasonable doubt all of these charges, that's a high hurdle that she will have to climb over. >> there have been some legal analyst whose say, because of the host of charges, second-degree, manslaughter to assault, that it is likely that amopg
amopg among the six police officers someone might flip someone may try to rat out the other to get the charges against them dropped. and that this might be strategy of a prosecutor. is that something, in your view that is common practice or even a reasonable explanation or analysis? >> right. that is a common practice to try to find after you do your investigation, try to find the least culpable person in that group, person with knowledge of what went on and try to you know enter into some kind of agreement that the punishment would be much less for that person. that's always done in these multiple defendant cases. so i have no idea exactly what miss mosby's strategy is. i think it speaks well of her that we were all surprised that she came out with these charges. that means she wasn't consulting
with a lot of politicians, politics weren't in play here. she was doing it the way you're supposed to which is kind of in secret just do your investigation, get the facts, apply them to the law, so she -- i think she's doing it with integrity. whether she can win all of those charges we'll have to see later on. >> all right. kurt before i let you go quickly, when you were mayor, and over a great amount of time here in baltimore, it's been known about the disparities -- i grew up in the maryland washington, d.c. area and knew about the hardships in baltimore -- but is this a different baltimore today than when you were in office between '83 and '87? >> the interesting thing about it i used to say to people that baltimore was something of a tale of two cities. if you go into our inner harbor
area you see some of the best in urban america. you go ten blocks west or east then you can see some of the really challenging and difficult areas. but the area that freddie gray lived in is one that we poured a lot of resources, new housing, all kinds of investment up until the time that i left office in 1999. the question that i'm pondering is what happened between 1999 and 2015 that the unemployment levels urban distress levels seemed to be just as great as when we made investment in them in the 1990s. that's something that we'll all have to figure out as a community. so that we can come up with better strategies to improve the quality of life for people in those neighborhoods. >> all right. mr. mayor, kurt schmoke, currently the president of university of baltimore.
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welcome back. i'm fredricka whitfield, live in baltimore. after six baltimore police officers were charged in the death of freddie gray what do the protesters in the community want to do next? we know that a number of people are gathering today. they'll be walking through the city on this very sunny day and converge here where all of the moouk music is stage is set for a rally here. joining me now, someone who perhaps knows baltimore better than anybody else former naacp president and ceo, and also former congressman, former baltimore city councilman you name it. good to see you. i like the word "seasoned" i never use the word old.
you're a native son and you became an elected official on the local and the national scale. so when you look at the climate of the city right now, and all that has transpired including the six -- the charges of six police officers what's your assessment? >> my assessment is that finally, people are starting to see externally what many of us have seen internally for many years, great deal of poverty, despair, distrust disbelief, too oftentimes and the police department and a sense of deprivation where so many people who are american citizens, feel like they don't wattmatter and people aren't listening. the fact this has a taken place the way it has calls further attention. this is not the end. i think you're going to hear that message over and over from protesters today. it's a process but it's a process to try to find i way to sensitize our nation to the fact these communities are all over the country, they could explode at any time and the issue of
justice and fairness and opportunity, creating jobs and a way for people to take care of themselves are very, very important. freddie gray, we are all come to know freddie gray tragically this way. but, in your view is he and his case symbolic of so many other freddie grays in the city and perhaps even across country? i know you've been an advocate for this very cause, particularly in the black community and the disparities and the disenfranchisement and targeting of black males as it pertains to crimes and incarcerations. what do you see this as being a symbolic case as well? >> imsymbolic in the case that a crime was committed, that people have got tonight the point that prepared to do whatever they have to do to speak out, some through civil disowedisowe bead oens. the state's attorney after conducting her parallel
investigation decided she had enough evidence and the state had enough evidence to find probable cause. rarely do you see that in some of the other instances. i think that's the one thing that separates this. but i've got to tell you, we're talking about what happens to african-american men. this same sort of thing too often, unfortunately, happens by bad officers not good ones but bad officers against poor whites latinos who are poor in urban areas and it's a mind-set and culture that's got to be changed, mind-set and culture that's got to be revolutionized because at the end of the day we want the same thing. we want a better life for our children communities that are safe to know when we die the next generation will begin to live in a way that we could not. >> you don't have to know freddie gray for this to be an emotional experience. we heard from the young man, kevin moore, who videotaped the arrest of freddie gray and he said it brought tears to his eyes when he heard the state's prosecutor the state's attorney. what did this do to you
emotionally? >> well you know maybe i've been around too long i don't know but i was always told you always see everything twice in life. so for me this was harkening back to april 4, 1968 when dr. king was assassinated and how this city exploded out of anger because they thought there was no justice. so maybe there's a parallel there. that's for me that took me back to that moment. and it took me back to his words. >> this is an emotional journey for you, too. >> it is it is. you know dr. king would be crying out from his grave to remind us that the arc of the universe is long but always bends towards justice. we believe that will be the case here ultimately and erent actually. >> good to see you. appreciate it. >> thank you. >> thank you very inch. we'll have much more from baltimore right after this.
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i moved from new york city to the twin cities of minneapolis and st. paul and when i'm on the east side of the river in st. paul i hit up the bowling alley. i start coming here in '55. people have been coming here coming here forever. >> it hasn't hardly changed. >> i have yet to find traveling around the united states anything quite like it. >> yeah. >> eight lanes in a basement old timy bar, everybody knows each other. right up there is a lot of money. >> right. >> we had a local regular like overseas for a couple of years and said when i come back i want to have a dollar to buy a drink when i come in next. >> right. >> it started there and people caught on to the whole thing. now it's our retirement fund. someday if they never come back. i bring people from out of town here just to sit down have a beer a hamburger, and i say, this is what st. paul is all about. >> nice close community around here. >> embarrassing yourself on television by showing the world what a crappy bowler you are is
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according to billy murphy justice can be had in baltimore. this is a very painful process for the family then are indeed very fragile now, still trying to recover and cope with the death of the 25-year-old man. joining me right now, jason downs, an attorney for the family of freddie gray. good to see you. so your colleague, billy murphy said charges make sense. why, in your view are you convinced these are the right charges for these police officers? >> with the information that we have right now, and again, that is limited information, because we are not privy to all of the information that the state's attorney's office possesses. but with that information, the charges in this case do make sense at this point. >> do the state's attorney reach out to you or let you know she would be revealing these charges, that she had come to an assessment? >> we learned about the charges at the same time that everyone else learned about the charges. >> and there has been some
criticism from many in the legal community who say, you know perhaps she may have overcharged and that could jeopardize this case. >> anyone that's saying that if they don't have access to the information that the state's attorney office has, they're saying that in the dark. in other words, they don't have all of the information with which to make an act ras assessment of the case they -- no one should speculate as to the accuracy the exact accuracy of the charges unless they have all of the information. only people that are all of the information are the state's attorneys here in baltimore city. >> is the family convinced that freddie gray his fatal injuries came in the van or that perhaps this injuries came when he was taken down? >> at this point, because we don't have all of the medical records, because we don't have a physical copy of the autopsy report we can't make that independent determination. we need to see all of the records before making our independent determination as to where the fatal injury occurred but it's clear this injury
occurred while in police cuss. >> i is there any worry or concern that if after more evaluation it is determined that his fatal injury didn't happen in the van, perhaps it happened during the arrest it would be difficult for this state -- for this prosecutor to alter or change the charges imposed on these officers, because right now it appears based on the second-degree manslaughter it would be the driver most culp culpable culpable. but if the fatal injury took place before that point that might create a problem, would it not? there at this point we need to see all of the evidence. but we have to keep in mind that the officers in this case have been charged via criminal information then have not been indicted at this point. it's up to a grand jury to determine whether there's probable cause to issue an indictment on any particular charge. we have to kind in mind that that hasn't even occurred at this juncture. >> tell me how the family's doing. how are they coping and managing with not only the death of their
loved one but that it is in the national/international spotlight and all of this attention is descending upon them? >> the family appreciates the support that they're receiving from the baltimore community and, frankly, the community at large, the american community, international opportunity, they appreciate their support. they don't want violence but appreciate the support. they are obviously grief stricken, dealing with the death of their loved one, extremely saddened but they have hope justice will be served. >> are they able or do they feel like they can manage the notion that the outcome or how this investigation is handled, particularly the outcome of the case as it relates to freddie gray will possibly be either precedent setting or at least leave a mark or make some kind of impression if not just in baltimore, but even nationally, within the justice system? >> sure. the family of freddie gray are hoping the legacy of freddie gray is of peace.
they want it to be a peaceful legacy. they don't want this to happen to anyone else's son, brother. they're hoping police brutality stops, that's what they're trying for. >> we heard from the stepfather who said if you're going to come those out of towners, if you come here come with peace. >> yes. >> and freddie wouldn't want people to lose jobs. >> right. >> so he's speaking to a couple of things. unrest he's talking about the disparities, the unemployment, the lack of opportunities. it is a very big message. >> certainly is. and what he's getting is we don't want our community to be burned down. mr. shipley's shag would not -- freddie gray would not want to see the community that he loved burned down to the ground. that hurts everyone. it doesn't help the freddie gray cause it doesn't help the cause for baltimore it doesn't help the cause in america. helps no one at all. he would not want to see the
community burned down. >> jason downs, thank you. we'll have much more from downtown baltimore right outside city hall where in just a matter of hours people who are right now gathering about four miles from here for a very sizable demonstration that's expected throughout the day. they will converge right here you see them making a move already through the streets, walking peacefully they will eventually come right here to this war memorial plaza outside city hall. that's why you hear music here. right now a festive environment but, at the same time people know that they are reserving some of their enthusiasm because much more could happen in between the charges and any potential trial involving these six police officers. we'll be right back after this.
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the freddie gray case is moving to courts with six baltimore police officers charged in his death. let's bring in our legal guy, avery friedman civil rights attorney and law professor in cleveland, and richard hermen in new york criminal defense attorney and law attorney joining us las vegas. now here with me in a noisy baltimore where a big youth rally is taking place in hours. hopefully we can hear each other. >> you're fine. >> how about if i call upon -- good -- call upon you first, avery. was that press conference in your view unthooet cal involving the prosecutor laying out the charges? >> i thought the press conference was absolutely wonder wonderful and while the -- miss mosby got carried away with no justice, no peace, that's a community organization cradle it's not what a prosecutor does. identifying it clear, crisp,
she did exactly what she was supposed to do. >> richard, now what? try to i guess paint a picture where this case goes because i just spoke with the attorney for the family he's underscoring while these may be charges, they haven't been indicted yet, it's up to the grand jury. explain how this recommendation from the prosecutor might play a role in that. >> well fred we have miles to go before we sleep on a criminal conviction in this case. procedurally what will happen is the prosecutor has 30 days to evaluate the case determine whether they want to go forward, do they want to conduct a preliminary hearing at which time there will be evidence introduced criminal defense attorneys will have a field day getting information they normally wouldn't not get. i don't believe that's going to take place. i believe they're going to a grand jury despite what happened with michael brown. they're fearful try to get a grand jury conviction a true
bill indictment here, and go to trial. you have several issues fred was there reasonable suspicion to stop him, was flight in a high crime area reasonable suspicion suspicion? yes. probable cause to arrest? based on the flight there was. do we have a conviction beyond a reasonable doubt? the jury will determine that. we don't know any evidence right now. we know nothing, nothing, nothing has been tested in court before a jury subject to cross-examination. this is a long way to go here fred before you got a criminal conviction. >> so avery, in your view were there charges missing because we heard the state's attorney say no probable cause, no violation, he was carrying freddie gray was carrying a pocketknife, that is not unlawful. but i've hear the language of some legal analysts who say, kidnapping he was essentially kidnapped. is that ridiculous or reasonable? >> ridiculous. >> it's a fair thing to say. it's a fair characterization. look they chase him, that's
legal, supreme court says it's legal. once they realized there was no crime, they charged him with a switch blade, fredricka. the guy had a pocketknife. at that point, everything really gets out of control. so i think it's a fair characterization. again, there's no kidnapping charge per se. the prosecutor will be moving forward on the elements of the 28 charges that she has levelled against them. where i agree is that we've got a long way to goep i. i think there will be a waive or of a preliminary hearing and see an indictment after thursday. >> fred there will be absolutely be no waiver. >> you're seeing demonstrators i want to let people know what you're seeing. but go ahead, richard, with your point. >> fred, there will absolutely be no waiver of a preliminary hearing. defense attorneys want that hearing, they want to get information and evidence. i think you might get a grand jury may indictment before the
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hello again, everyone. thanks for joining me. i'm fredricka whitfield, live in baltimore. we are one hour away from a big youth rally right here in baltimore. although it sounds like it's under way. the stage is set, this will be the final destination here city hall. right now, there are hundreds of people at least that's what it appears from our bird's-eye view maybe dozens of people right now walking through the streets of baltimore and they're walking about a three to four-mile path through the streets. and then making their way right here to the war memorial plaza outside of this city hall.
they're all doing this rally and support of freddie gray. the 25-year-old man who died in police custody last month. there is a feeling among many jubilation that there were charges impoted against six police officers but at the same time many people reserving comment because they say it's still early in the investigation. we have a teal of reporters around the city covering today's demonstrations. right now you're looking at a shot of the six police officers but we also have cnn correspondents sara sidner nick valencia ryan young, rene marsh dispersed in various parts of the city right there sara sidner right here in this park. sarah, while this is a final destination it already seems like a rally that is very much under way. >> very much is. what you're kind of feeling right now is not angry
demonstrations. what you're feeling is more of a community coming together trying to get to know one another, and dancing together. it feels more almost celebrityer to. a serious cause. i'm looking in the crowd, the leader of the crypts gang is here. we saw folks, black panthers also here. i want to give you a look. you can see some of the different folks here. but there are black folks. there are white folks. people from all different walks of life. kids and grandparents as well. what is beautiful about this one, is you see people altogether from different ethnicities. they're all dancing together. music bringing them together here. we're expecting a lot of folks to come out and to demonstrate because there is a very serious issue that of course you know of and the world now knows of what happened to freddie gray when he was in that van with police
fred. >> all right. sara sidner thank you so much. also looking at that aerial view right there of a dozen of people now marching through downtown baltimore walking through neighborhood streets, walking through business districts, as well on their way here. and we understand our nick valencia is somewhere in the crush there with many demonstrators making their way. he's joining us live now. nick? >> good afternoon, fred. i'm at the site where freddie gray was arrested and you see the crowd behind me has slowly been gathering over the course of the last 30 minutes to an hour. it's blossomed to just about a hundred people i'd say, and among them is former baltimore mayor, sheila dicwson. what it's like to be back? what brought you today. >> i cape out because some of the young men who grew up in the
community, friends of freddie gray have a message they want to get across. they have a plan of action. they asked me to come out, to support their efforts, and i respect those young men. i want to be a part of their efforts. and i believe that we need to listen to them because i think they have what the next steps are in moving this process forward, as far as what happens in empower, continuing to em pour the community. >> a handful of years ago you were one time head of the city in baltimore. how have you, over the course of last several days internalized what's happened in your city. >> well of course it brings much heart pain and distress about what's happened. of course first and foremost to freddie gray and, secondly the injustice of what's happening to young african-american men all over the country. people in this community who live here in baltimore are frustrated they have expressed it through their daily peaceful protesting and we have to
continue to do that. yesterday the decision that the state's attorney made is taking it to another step. >> what did you think of is that? it was very dynamic to be up there, what did you think? >> not only dynamic but she had to bring forth truth and justice for injustice. and believe me we have great officers in this city. but when you have individuals who are not following the laws and treating people right, it has to be dealt with. not only going through the process. in the meantime we have to continue to build on communities that are in distress and this is one of them. >> that's why people here to bill on the message, go forward and focus on a conversation of healing. people don't want monday to represent the city. you saw the images, the infamous scene at the cvs, they don't want that to be a focus of the narrative here. you've seen people from north carolina boston across the country, to show up here, not just seek justice for freddie gray but litany of names who
have been unarmed civilians who have been injured or killed at hands of police officers. this group making their way in a very short time on their way to city hall continuing on with their peaceful demonstrations. fredricka? >> all right. nick valencia thank you so much. let's move on to cnn's rene marsh at north avenue in pennsylvania another location where many demonstrators have been gathering. what's happening there? >> reporter: well fred when you look around here really looks like an average saturday this is a barber shop behind me. is it open for business. they're selling t-shirts outside. right in this intersection i happen to bump into the man who shot ma video. you may not know his name his name is kevin moore, but you know the video that he shot. he shot the cell phone video of freddie gray as he was being arrested. this was kevin moore's first
television interview since the charges were filed against those six officers. here's what he had to say about playing a hand or playing a role in all of this. >> my natural instinct was to cry. i couldn't believe it. it was surreal. >> why did you cry? >> because -- it's a shame, right -- it took so many people to come together and unify because my friend freddie died. i wish we could have did it on another occasion. a black history month occasion martin luther king's birthday any other occasion why it has to be a death of one of my friends? friends? >> reporter: all right. you know as he was walking around the neighborhood you just would see he couldn't take a step before somebody else stopped him to say, thank you. that's all they wanted to say is thank you for being there and shooting that video. he's apart of a group called cop
watch, they walk around with hand-held video camera ands when he they see a situation between police and someone in the community and think that the procedure or process isn't quite right they start rolling. that's exactly what he did when he saw freddie gray and his interaction with police and says he will continue to do that. he also tells me that he was out here protesting and that he was arrested at a tern point. he's made it out, obviously. but he said he wasn't quite sure why he was arrested and he's not quite sure if after shooting that video he will become a target of police but he doesn't care. he will continue to do what he has been doing, which is walking around town in his words, his camera will be fully locked and loaded and ready to shoot if he sees another incident. fred? >> all right. rene marsh. impactful words from kevin moore who captured those images. thanks to nick valencia and intervut with the former and
sara sidner in the crowd. we'll check back with them. we have heard from the former baltimore mayor, kurt schmoke, former mayor dickson and more from the current mayor, stephanie rawlings blake came out after the press conference saying she was sickened to hear about the charges imposed on the six officers. but we still invite her to come on the program. i was scheduled interview her yesterday and of course because of the events yesterday that was canceled. we're still inviting ex tending our invitation from the mayor to hear her sentiment on what now for this case and for this city. let's talk about the case. what about the relationship between police and the community here? i'm joined by joey jackson, he is hln's legal analyst and criminal defense attorney. also with me cheryl dorsey retired los angeles police
sergeant and a member of the national coalition of law enforcement officers for justice. good to see both of you again. as we talk about dozens if not hundreds maybe thousands of people who will be walking through the city neighborhoods, business districts and ending up here at city hall they will be met by a very significant presence of baltimore police police from neighboring communities, i saw howard county which is a neighboring county here and they're also going to see national guard. cheryl what is the message that ends up being sent to demonstrators in the community here when you have six police officers who are charged in the death of a 25-year-old unarmed man and, at the same time the police are here in place to help maintain peace? >> i hope the message is that when we find wrong doers we're going to do right thing. we'll honor those officers doing their job diligently professionally treating people with compassion and empathy, as
i'm sure most of the officers on the baltimore police department do. when we run across rare few that use excessive force and abuse people under the color of authority, we'll deal with them appropriately. i don't have any inclination to think that these officers here today are going to do anything except be professional in the discharge of their duties as they deal with protesters that are coming. >> all right. joey i'm going to ask you a few questions in a moment as well. i have to go to washington with more news. >> thanks fred. we'll continue coverage in baltimore in a moment. but first, breaking news out of london. we're seeing right now the first picture of the new royal family. 8 pound, 3 ounce baby girl was just born at 8:34 a.m. london time this morning. there you see the duchess of cambridge and prince william walking out of the wing of the
hospital. let's get to erin mclaughlin outside of kensington palace. i have to say, this is a pretty stunning picture with the new baby girl. let's listen in to the crowd right now. crowds have been outside for a few days. they're waiting for birth of this baby girl. the duchess of cambridge gave birth at 8:34 a.m. this morning london time and leaving the hospital nine hours later. we know that earlier today they got a visit from prince george. the prince was brought by prince william into the hospital to meet his new, younger sister. a brief photo op with the new royal family. they will go from here back to kensington palace. but this is the debut of their new baby girl. much anticipated.
and it will be interesting to see, you see the range rover pull up in front of the hospital. last time in july of 2013 when prince george was born we saw prince william, a likable moment got out and carried the car seat around he kind of fumbled a little bit with the car seat. and put prince george in the back. it will be interesting to see if we see him do the same thing with the new baby girl. now i want to go to cnn's erin mclaughlin outside kensington palace. tell me the mood there. okay. we're having problems connecting with erin. as you can see this was moments ago. the duchess of cambridge holding her new baby girl. that baby girl was 8 pounds 3 ounces born i should say nine hours ago. remarkable that we're seeing the duchess walk down those steps carrying her new baby girl. once the announcement was made there was a formal announcement
this morning. the formal announcement put out on easel in front of kensington palace formally announcing the birth of this baby girl. we know that the baby girl was 8 pounds 3 bounces, this is their second child. prince george was born two years ago, july of 2013. and much has been said of course about the way prince william and the duchess of cambridge have become and grown into their role as a family. they've taken certain steps, of course to define themselves as new parents and much anticipation of course there were fans and reporters lining up outside of the window wing in the saint mary's hospital outside of london waiting for the birth of this new baby. and it was a surprise today when it it was announced this is a new baby girl the duchess and prince william did not know the sex ahead of time.
so they just learned it this morning when the duchess gave birth. there your seeing this happened moments ago, coming out of the hospital. we do have cnn's erin mclaughlin outside of the palace. erin, what's the mood? >> reporter: can i say what a beautiful, beautiful family. people here outside buckingham palace could not be happier for kate and william and their brand-new baby girl. this is a day that is truly steeped in history as well. joining me now is royal historian kate williams. what do you think of all of this? this is a historic moment. >> truly historic moment. that's part of the excitement of the crowds here cueing up to see the birth announcement because they are seeing a part of history. this will be possibly a future queen, but certainly a significant member of the royal family and they will be responsible for taking the royal family through into our new
century. >> talk to me so much speculation about potential name for the royal baby girl. we don't know the name yet. >> we don't know the name yet. huge amounts of money here in britain. fond on betting on names. the front-runner is charlotte, that is ahead, a believe, allison far forward. what the royals are looking for are traditional names. we probably won't see something completely out there, nothing invented but that's what victoria's name was when she was christened but actually what we've got here is elizabeth, the queen's name alice, the prince philip's mother lovely names. here they are. here we go. they're leaving now. there's prince william with his brand-new baby girl. let's make sure he gets the car seat right. >> he did it so well with prince william, put in the car seat marvelously. there he goes. so they are, of course most people would say, in the hospital for the night but want
to go get back to kensington and go to norfolk tomorrow. >> i don't think -- was the duchess joining him? i may have missed that. >> no i didn't see her get in. >> i didn't see her get into the car. >> and there they go. this is -- a royal baby girl, certainly something that prince charles said he wanted. quin queen elizabeth certainly wanted a royal baby girl something princess diana would have wanted as well. >> we know diana wanted a daughter prince charles wants a granddaughter. we see the joy on the face wearing pink. they are completely delighted. they would have been pleased with a son. a lot of historians hoping for a boy when it was prince george it would have been a female monarch. but still, it's so marvelous to see a little princess. i think so many little girls in britain, they adore princesses
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we're all excited about the new princess however, we were all commenting we couldn't help it. who looks that good after having birth hours after with high heels? no fair. >> eight pounds at that. big bib yahya abdi. >> nice departure. but back here the big concern has been the case involving freddie gray's death and the six police officers facing serious charges. i ask you'd earlier about the message being sent when you have six police officers charged in a death like this and then you have peaceful protesters who will converge here and met by police presence and national guard. the mixed message it sends. your response now, joey because the prosecutor said it is her hope that moving forward with these charges would be an answer to the call from the community. >> listen, it's about ultimately finding accountability.
i certainly believe that the police who are out here and they've been very friendly and gracious and wonderful cause for sure in addition to the members of the crowd, they can separate the two. if there are bad people, and in the indictment the county attorney was very clear, the state attorney said look the police we honor you, we salute you, however, those who have engaged in acts of injustice need to be held accountable. that's what the indictment does. for protesters here who are doing honorable things, exercising their first amount right, we all have the right it should be exercised as long as it's done peacefully. that's what they're here for, to restore peace and order. but in terms of indictments there's a long way moving forward. an indictment as remainder is a mere accusation. it's an accusation that is really two things. one -- >> we weren't there yet, the indictment. >> exactly. probable cause to believe a crime was committed and, b, that in fact it was these police officer whose did it. so the reality is is that
that's what they'll pursue. we're a long way to go in this case. >> these officers all surrendered voluntarily and they all posted bond between $200,000 and $300,000. they had to interact with their fellow officers during the entire process. what has been your experience as a former lapd sergeant whenever an investigation involved one of your own, what was that relationship like between the brothers and sisters of police? >> you know your torn because you have an affinity for that person but you have a job to do going forward. on the los angeles police department we're not allowed to associate with known felons. so we have had to step away in those instances when it was someone we knew who happened to be a police officer was accused of a crime. and so that's just the way it is. chips fall where they may. >> how uncomfortable might it be for the baltimore poifr police
officer, some whoem posted for the protest and some depending to the end when they say they did nothing wrong, there was a rush to judgment. >> there's a segment among the officers who feel like this too celebratory, this is like an in your face officer, right? so i'm sure some are probably taken aback by it. but they have a job to do and a professional front to show to the public and they'll do that in their demeanor and command presence and the way they stand guard, if you will today. so i think by and large the majority of the officers are going to do right thing going forward. >> we'll leave it there cheryl dorsey joey jackson, thank you so much. we'll have much more from city hall here. again, hearing a lot of the music because ultimately there will be people in the form of dozens if not hundreds you're seeing right there walking through the streets of baltimore. they will converge here for what is being dubbed a youth rally
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as you see on right-hand side of the screen dozens if not hundreds of people walking through the streets of baltimore on their way to this location. it's about a three or four-mile walk, we believe they're more than halfway to the destination point at city hall. take a look at plaza, which is filled with a number of people. there's a lot of music. it is a little complicated because there is a jubilant feeling here because people feel like the road to justice is now on its way as a result of the state's attorney charging six police officers in the death of 25-year-old freddie gray. at the same time, there is some trepidation because the process is really just beginning with these charges, there still has to be an indictment. there still has to be a trial. and of course, an outcome. and the investigation continues. we heard that from the state's attorney yesterday. but let's talk right now while
people are making their way through the sunny streets now of baltimore and making their way here to city hall let's talk more about the homicide findings. i want to talk again with a medical examiner as she examines the outcome of what we believe to be the report that this prosecutor certainly relied upon as well as an independent investigation that marilyn mosby said was conducted. dr. judy melinik is with us from san francisco, board-certified forensic pathologist and author of "working stiff." i'm sorry, doctor if it seems like i'm yelling but the noise, volume of music is getting louder. i want to make sure you and everyone at home can hear me. earlier you talked about your belief or an inference that perhaps the injuries fatal injuries what became the fatal injuries for mr. gray likely happened at the takedown with his voice box being damaged as
well as his spine being damaged but perhaps it was exacerbated once in the van. that is contrary to what we heard from the prosecutor however, yesterday, doctor. the prosecutor said that the injuries based on her report indicated that the fatal injury happened in the van. so explain to me how it might be -- how a further examination might take place or how a conclusion may change. >> so the important thing to understand we don't have the medical examiner's report yet. that medical examiner's report has not been made public. was only released to the state attorney. and the state attorney's interpretation of the findings are based on only the current investigation. so additional investigation can change how we interpret the findings. that said i didn't say earlier that i thought it happened
during takedown i said it could have still occurred during takedown and been exacerbated. the key finding here is that we know the injuries from the autopsy have documented that this is blunt force trauma and the medical examiner determined it was a homicide. homicide means death at hand of another. what we still don't know and it's not going to be clear for a while, when injuries occurred. there could been some injury that occurred during the takedown possibly before the video was even started, that is going to be elose dated by the witnesses who saw the takedown. and there could have been injury in the van during the stops before the second witness, who was also put in the van, heard banging. we don't have a complete investigation here. we still don't have the autopsy report. what we have is secondhand information from what the attorney general said about the
autopsy report. >> okay. so dr. melinek, how about we look at video tape of kevin moore, who rene marsh spoke to earlier today, he took the videotape that everybody is so familiar with. that video shows a portion of that takedown that arrest how freddie gray is now being lifted there. i think you mentioned earlier your observation of the way in which his head is positioned and one of his legs. what do you see in that video as -- and i guess what do you see now knowing what the prosecutor is trying to reveal to us medical examiner's report says? >> so what i see is as important as also what i don't see. what i don't see is what happened before the video started. and witnesses say that they were
running after him, he went down i don't know how hard he went down. i don't know if any of them put pressure on his neck or back during that takedown. we see the video starting only after he's cuffed and lifted. but while you watch limb being dragged you see that he's not really moving his legs. now, at a certain point once they get him up on to the van, he appears to support his weight at least for a period of time, but we also don't know if he was initially seated and then later put down on his belly. so there's a gap in terms of the investigation about what happened in the van in between when the video ens and he gets put in and when he finally becomes unresponsive. and those gaps that witness testimony, what people heard what people saw, that's going to help ellucidate when injuries occurred autopsies can't tell you whae when injuries occurred
except separated in time by days or weeks. when injury occur within moments or hours of each other, they look the same at the point of death at the time of autopsy. they look like they're contemporaneous. >> all right. so the time line for this discovery will still have to be made. thank you for your time appreciate it from san francisco. >> thank you. >> again, continuing to watch the demonstrators move through the streets of baltimore on their way here to city hall. live coverage continues right after this. (vo) around age 7, the glucose metabolism in a dog's brain begins to change. (ray) i'd like to see her go back to her more you know social side. she literally started changing. it was shocking. she's much more aware. (jan) she loves the food. (ray) the difference has been incredible. she wants to learn things. (vo) purina pro plan bright mind promotes alertness and mental sharpness in dogs 7 and older. purina pro plan.
hello, everyone. i'm fredricka whitfield, welcome to "newsroom" here in baltimore where the music at city hall has been replaced by the spoken word. we heard one of the speakers say, this is a celebration today of the life of 25-year-old freddie gray. this as you see on right-hand side of the screen hundreds of people who are walking through the streets of baltimore in solidarity for freddie gray. and this coming one day after the state's attorney then put forth charges against six police officers all of whom have surrendered and all of whom have posted bond. i want to go now to our nick valencia there in the crowd of
people who are walking through downtown baltimore who will eventually make their way right here to the war memorial plaza at city hall. nick? >> reporter: good afternoon. you can see this march just started a few minutes ago. they plan on meeting up with more and encouraging others that are watching on the sidewalks to join in their movement. i'm joined next to me with one of the organizers of that. tell us your name. >> frank and i'm happy to be part of the resistance against police pressure and racism. as you can see, many people throughout the nation are standing up together because they're tired and they're demanding change. we have a question we want to know what would you do if you was a man like kenneth chamberlain whose father served in marines and killed by white plains police? what would you do if you was a man like r frank graham whose
son was killed in his home? >> here not just for freddie gray but for a list of other people who have also you think, suffered injustice at hands of police as well? >> when you ask that question i would have to say, yes, i am reacting to what happened to freddie gray and many other innocent unarmed black and brown people who have been killed. but more importantly, i'm here proactively to stop this from happening to your child or one of your loved ones or one of my loved ones. >> a stark contrast from what we've seen this week, particularlyparticular particularly month night. this is calm peaceful. how does that make you feel? >> well i feel good to see so many people black and brown, spanish, chinese, white, jews muslims, christians coming together. >> people have come across the country to join your maur. . >> that says a lot. sending a strong message to elected officials that people are tired, that the not going to
have this they're going to stand together band together, and demand change. demand legislative changes, laws that will deter any officer from violating the rights of any citizen or thinking they can get away with murder. >> reporter: you were telling me you think this can change this systemic pattern, what you call it police abuse. you have hope this can change why? >> yes, sir. if i didn't have hope i wouldn't be here. and i believe that i can do my part to leave this world a better place for my children. i believe that if we all work together and share the earth's resources, nobody has to suffer nobody has to live like this i believe that poverty's manufactured by the rich as they hoard resources to the demise of the masses. >> reporter: here your joined by so many both young and old from all across the country, all walks of life. thank you, francois. >> one last thing. i want to ask all of the candidates this year what are you going to do? what laws are you going to put
in place to address oppression racism and police murder that has -- that is epidemic in america? thank you. >> thank you. fredricka fredricka, a lot of emotion, passion. this by and large, is a peaceful march. back to you. >> all right. it is indeed a peaceful march. it is boisterous because you're hearing words over the microphones now replacing the music we heard earlier. we're now starting to see the first wave of people from the march that originated with the group that you have been walking with now coming in right over here to my left they are holding signed it is right to rebel. the blatant injustices are indisputable and undeniable. justice for freddie gray we heard from one of the speakers earlier, reminding people that while the atmosphere is jubilant while the music was playing, in their words, this is a celebration of the life of 25-year-old freddie gray not necessarily a statement
celebration for the charges that were imposed against the six police officers but certainly, after talking to a number of people here in the crowd, many have expressed to me in various ways shapes and forms that they are encouraged that the process has begun, leading to the prosecution of anyone and all people responsible for the death of freddie gray. so in the crowd here just to my right, and right in front of me here this is right in front of what's called war memorial plaza, right here at city hall. in the crowd here is our ryan young, we'll try to communicate with him if he's able to hear me. i'd love for you it tell me about the sentiment of the people that you are interacting with and why they were compelled to come out today. >> reporter: hard to hear. you can feel the energy from the crowd, piercing forward. we've been here since tuesday on the ground my team has, i can tell you, you can feel the wave
of change within the crowd. when we first arrived here, it was very tense. now day after day, you can see community leaders have been taking hold of the situation. they ask for five seconds of silence. here from the crowd. silence is gone. passion has changed so much. standing in between police officers and crowd, making sure nothing happens. you can see how the crowd looks as well. people have shown up with shirts wearing black lives matter we've talked about the crowd and wanting to be a part of this. why do you think it's important for baltimore to heal? >> you know what we need? we need to see change in the country, not just in baltimore city you know what happened is a horrible thing that happened. it's a crazy thing, it opened my eyed to what's going on all over the world and and we need to see change. >> you told me to be important to be a part of this. >> yes. >> reporter: you saw the pain in the city earlier this week. what do you want to see changed from this in.
>> what i want to see changed is justice for everyone. regardless of color. regardless of sex, gender. that's what i want to see, definitely. >> reporter: i'm telling you, we've heard a lot of people having passions for the city they're worried when everybody goes away in terms of the media, people will forget the message. there's a lot of young people in the crowd registering to vote getting involved in a process. if you look at the crowd, it's very diverse. a lot of tie dye shirts people walking around with smiles on their face holding flags, different political affiliations but come under one flag for this because they want to talk about reforming. a big difference from the folks we've seen earlier in the week. every single day it's gotten better in terms of people getting together finding solutions for baltimore in the belong run. >> so ryan what is interesting here too, you're seeing people of all walks, seeing people of
all colors all ages many people have brought their children, they have their dogs here it's a beautiful day. it was expected the turnout would be very great. but what are people telling you about the journey they have made in order to be here? some local, some who come from out of town. >> reporter: we've talked to some people who flew here from japan. they were going to get married here today and had to cancel their wedding but decide to get married with the justice of the peace, wanted to be part of the celebration, walking around in a wedding gown and tuxedo. people come from as far as california. you didn't look at signs you would not be sure what the rally's about. you hear people in the crowd talking about police officers accountability and coming together. creating different political agendas. so it's a different crowd. honestly you can see the evolution of the conversation throughout the week.
now you've ended up with this a multicultural mix throughout the city and the country who decided to come here they wanted to be here for this very moment. >> so ryan has anyone said anything to you about being met with the presence of national guard and police all around city hall, all around the inner harbor which is a great tourist attraction a place especially on a beautiful day like today, saturday people would converge there? but it's a very different tone that is being sent by having this kind of police and national guard presence. is anyone expressing to you their thoughts their worries about, their concerns or are they happy to see that? >> reporter: i think you bring up a good point. i was talking to some people in the community. i took a walk through downtown and met people along the way talking about they want the curfew lifted. and the reason why they say the curfew's starting to hurt their pockets. even people who make minimum
wage waitresses people cleaning up if you close stores earl think can't make money they need to make. this is starting to hurt them financially. they understand the city needs to heal. yes, officers yes, there are officers everywhere. you can see all the national guard members standing on top of it. at the same time sometimes you see more officers and patrol officers around than you see people. so there is a call for people to come back out and start shopping. in fact our hotel had a 90 occupancy and it's down to 20%. people need some help and they hope stores will start opening up again. >> all right, ryan young, thank you so much. we'll check back with you. again, now hundreds of people converging here on war memorial plaza outside baltimore city hall after many have made a pretty significant trek over about a two to three-hour span walking three to four miles throughout the city.
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out here walking through the city and converging here at city hall for a rally. they're calling it a youth rally. and we've also heard some of the speakers say this is celebration of the life of 25-year-old freddie gray who died while in police custody in april. at the same time there is some reservation about their feelings about now the justice process beginning. first the charges, now what's next. our nick valencia is on the streets with many of the demonstrators who are walking through the city on their way to this final destination. so nick what has brought out so many people of all ages where you are? >> reporter: we have seen people of all ages all backgrounds, essentially with the same message. they feel that there have been unarmed civilians that have suffered brutality at the hands of police. largely those people have been black. but here in this crowd, you see behind me it is multi-ethnic
multi-cultural bicoastal. people from as far away as north carolina new york. you've seen rallies all across the country. here this started, this march, about ten minutes ago. we're on the west side of baltimore and we are walking right in the middle of the street shutting down traffic. by and large, though it is peaceful. we have yet to see a police presence. we started just a short time ago at the site where freddie gray was arrested. and you can hear right now they're chanting "freddie gray did not have to die." we'll continue this march as we head toward city hall. >> all right, thank you so much. nick valencia appreciate that. we're going to continue to watch the rally that's unfolding here. hundreds of people converging at war memorial plaza, right outside of city hall. much more in the newsroom straight ahead. while others go in circles... and repeat themselves... we choose to carve our own path,
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welcome back to the newsroom. live from baltimore, this is a look at the massive crowd gathering in this city for a rally in support of freddie gray. hello again, everyone thanks for joining us. i'm fredricka whitfield like in front of city hall a short distance from where that march is under way. the gathering has been peaceful and celebratory for some who are seeking justice for freddie gray. the 25-year-old man died while in police custody in april. the six officers involved in
gray's arrest have now been charged in his death. the officers are out on bond following their own arrests yesterday. rallies are planned all over the country in fact. not just here in baltimore, but you see the map right here. houston, texas, richmond virginia and boston. we have a team of reporters around this city of baltimore covering today's demonstrations. joining me right now live are cnn correspondent sara sidner nick valencia and ryan young. let's go to our sara sidner first right here at war memorial plaza outside of city hall. sara. >> reporter: look you know it started out here really kind of like a block party where everybody was getting together. they were dancing. but not far from their mind was, of course the situation with the police here and freddie gray. what i can tell you now is that we're hearing from a lot of different speakers. i want to give you an idea of who's in this crowd. you've got people from all over the country that are here as
well. it's not that people are protesting in other cities but a lot of people have converged on baltimore. we know there are folks from ferguson, missouri where really this was the birth place of this modern civil rights movement. and there are a lot of people here from all over including california. we heard from oscar grant's uncle, who came all the way from oakland, california. if you'll remember that story, oscar grant killed by a bay area rapid transit police officer back in 2009 in oakland. he was actually charged and convicted of manslaughter. the uncle got up and said we need to do the same thing here in baltimore. of course the wheels of justice have to turn. justice has to be looked at. this has to be looked at of course by a jury to decide whether what the justice actually should be. but certainly there are hundreds of people that are here. and the folks from the march haven't even gotten here yet, so you're really seeing a large number of folks who are already here converging but there's going to be many many more
hundreds to whoa upwho show up here fred. >> and sara they are going to be met not just with many more people just like them who are here in solidarity for freddie gray but they're also going to be met with a police presence the national guard. have any of the demonstrators said anything to you about their impressions of that throughout the city? >> reporter: you know what i find really interesting? as opposed to what i would see in ferguson over the many months that the demonstrations went on on a daily basis, there there was no interaction between police and protesters other than pretty much negative where there were words spoken to the officers that were intense and negative and the officers sort of standing very still, not trying to make any kind of conversation with the protesters. here i'm seeing people walk by. the national guard speaking to them saying hello. the police as well. the state police. but it is a huge presence here. we saw lots of cars from around
baltimore, both the state police the national guard and the baltimore police. they are here in force. but you're really not feeling that kind of strong tension that we felt in other cities that have dealt with these marches and seen such large demonstrations, fred. >> all right. it is different. it does seem very unique. sara sidner thank you so much. i want to get the perspective of nick valencia who is with a very sizeable crowd of people who are walking. nick any sense of how many blocks away you are from the city hall location? we saw the first wave of demonstrators arrive minutes ago. where are you in relation to city hall? >> reporter: we're still west of baltimore, still a few blocks to go to pennsylvania avenue. so i would say at least ten minutes away. we're with one of those demonstrators. she came all the way from new york. why? >> i just came to show support and solidarity for other low income and neglected communities
that are victims of the state, owe pressed and ignored at the hands of the state and those who promise to protect and serve them. >> you also have had your own interaction with police. take your glasses off. what happened to you? >> i can't divulge in details because it's in the process of being worked on but i was arrested on wednesday's protests in union square and i suffered a number of injuries as a result and i'm following up with them as we speak with my lawyer. >> but daisy, as you were talking about earlier to me before this interview started, you were saying this isn't just about black lives. what is it about? >> it's about those neglected communities who don't have the resources and abilities to be self-sufficient and provide their own resources and are dependent on states that don't give them the promises they should such as health care access to good food access to housing, access to day care for those who need to work. there's not enough resources and accountability in the same
manner that they promised to give us. these marches are just to ensure that we have that attention, that we have people's attention and we're going to move from there however long it takes, that we need to uphold these certain standards. we need to get more people to make sure people are paying attention because this no longer can be swept under the rug. this is affecting all aspects of our lives. >> like i said earlier, people from all across the country coming to show their support not just for freddie gray but in daisy's instance for her own community far and beyond baltimore. yes, all eyes are on this city right now and what we are seeing in the streets is a crowd estimated at about 200 people marching in the middle of the streets, peaceful. we have not seen a police presence yet. we've continued to march towards city hall and that's the plan right now. fredricka. >> all right. so about 200 people with you, nick valencia. when they get here to city hall they will be met with hundreds more who have the same objective and goals in today's youth rally.
with me now, reverend alvin gwynn and sheryl dorsey formerly of the lapd and hln legal analyst joey jackson all back with me now. i'm anxious to hear your impressions of what is unfolding here reverend. >> we're finally getting the opportunity for people to be heard. even though this is a great tragedy in the nation people are actually having an opportunity to describe what is going on in the communities where they're living right now. we're hoping that this opportunity is really resonating with everyone around. one of the things that i'm proud to hear that they're taking an opportunity of at this particular juncture is to talk to the people who have not registered to vote. because those are the ones who make up the jury box. >> they actually created a line and invited people to register to vote during this rally. >> absolutely. because it is our civic duty it's our responsibility to do. if you want to be heard, you have to step forward to be heard. i'm just glad they are taking this opportunity right now to address that issue. >> and how influential, sheryl
do you believe this rally, this turnout, is to the reforms that we've heard the mayor speak of prior to the charges that were imposed yesterday? she says there will be reforms. that has been her objective, reforms in the police department. how influential is a turnout like this? >> i think that seeing the numbers that we're seeing here today certainly lets the mayor know and others that there's a group that want real change right? and so we understand that their voices are being heard, their demands will hopefully be met and then going forward, we're going to have some proactive work being done by these people that are here today to try to bring about that change on the department with elected officials and ultimately here in the community. >> and is a turnout like this influential on the legal road joey? >> i really think it is, fredricka. i'm struck by the energy of the crowd, the passion and the diversity of the crowd. it seems to be a movement that has people's attention in general. when you have a number of people
in the community who come forward, it's important politically because legislatures are elected and that's where laws change that's where things change and it starts there. and so i think the energy certainly and the passion could translate into real reform. and ultimately everybody has to be about the law. no one can be above it no one should be below it but everyone should be accountable to follow it. and if that comes out of this movement i think it will be very important. >> and sometimes reform takes time. it's not overnight. and we know this legal process will take time. it yet has to lead to a grand jury indictments, there has to be trial, et cetera but when we hear people out here and beyond say there has to be some change when you look at the clock, when do people start getting impatient about whether change will come? >> let's face it we live in a culture right now where things happen in an instant so people have that expectation that things will happen
instantaneously. i realize once the camera stops rolling and people disperse and go back to their various areas, we still have to continue to push the area. if we're going to have real reform in police and real reform in government and how we address people of poverty and people who have to deal with these issues day in and day out, those of us in the faith community, those of us who are part of the electorate here in the city of baltimore have to continue to push it to make sure that we are addressing these issues that are being raised here today and we are actually seeing some real movement in a good direction. >> all right, reverend alvin gwynn, thank you so much sheryl dorsey and joey jackson, appreciate it. much more from city hall where hundreds have converged. you can see on the right-hand side of your screen there city hall that is war memorial plaza. then i want to show you another live shot right there where hundreds more people are walking through the streets of baltimore and they will meet up with the many people already here. our live coverage continues from baltimore after this.
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welcome back. live here in baltimore, a very sizeable rally under way right now at war memorial plaza here outside of city hall. you're hearing the voices at the microphones behind me. you're hearing some clapping. there's lots of signs. people are holding signs saying "justice for freddie gray." they're all here in solidarity for freddie gray. this one day after the state's attorney released information supporting her charges against six baltimore police officers all of whom surrendered, have been arrested and all out on bond today. so meantime today, hundreds here at city hall. hundreds more apparently are walking through the city of baltimore. you have seen some of the live pictures of the groups who are walking through. we have a family with us right now. i want to talk more about why they have decided to take part
here in this march and rally today. they live here in baltimore. devon sutherland as well as joe savage and their son, liam, who is 7 years old. i know it's very overwhelming for liam for this big crowd here. describe for me why it was so important, devon, to be here as a family on this day. you also marched yesterday. what does this mean to you and your family? >> it means everything to me and my family. like you know i'm born and raised here. i care a lot about my city. i love my city i love where i come from and i decided to stay here and raise my family here and to have a little boy, it's even more important for me to be here especially with all of us you know. a lot of people always say for the most part we recognize all races and all colors. well at the end of the day as you can see joe is a different race or ethnicity from me but at
the end of the day we have a black son. >> and liam cannot know what that means right now, and i'm sure you're grappling with when you have that conversation. i have a 10-year-old son. my husband and i are grappling with when do we have that conversation with him. but in the meantime as you think about the conversation that you will have with your son, what do you and your husband think you will need to say to him? >> it's uncomfortable, but we have to say you can do whatever you want in this world and nothing can stop you. but we also have to say you can't do everything that you want in this world because, unfortunately, there are some things that can stop you but you have to be aware and -- >> just do the best that you can. >> correct. it's sad that we have to have this conversation but we're going to have to. we know it. >> it's a sad reality. >> it is a sad reality. you know you have to have the conversation. you'd be remiss if you never did -- >> correct.
>> -- because you have to be a realist. we all want to be optimists and think that everyone can live in harmony and that is a conversation we'd never have to have. >> right. >> but your union is representative of a harmony. >> yes. >> you're sending a message to your son. at what point and how will you want to introduce this conversation in a very big way to your son, joe, and your perspective is unique? >> i honestly say he'd probably comprehend it best when he's like in his teen years. as a child, i want him to enjoy his childhood. i don't want him to have to have fear of going outside, have fear of society, have fear of the police have fear of anyone. >> well what do you think his interpretation is today now that he is out here? perhaps he may not understand all that's transpiring but what do you suppose your son's feelings are right now today?
>> right now i would honestly say are he's happy to be with mom and dad. he's happy to be around. he's happy to be in the crowd. he's happy to be a part of everything. >> joe, devon and liam thank you so much. appreciate it. >> thanks. >> thanks for stopping. so hundreds of people here at this rally and we are reaching out to many more people because people of all walks are here representing all ages all races, all socioeconomic backgrounds and we want to hear from as many as we can hear as hundreds more make their way to city hall. our live coverage continues right after this.
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walking through the streets, neighborhoods, business areas of downtown baltimore. they will eventually make their way here to city hall. it sounds celebratory because there is a lot of music here. we heard from speakers who said this is a celebration of the life of 25-year-old freddie gray who died in the custody of police. sustained a fatal injury in the custody of police. you heard from the state's attorney yesterday who imposed the charges against six baltimore police officers. they all surrendered without incident. they were arrested and they are all out on bond. their whereabouts today unknown. in the crowd here where already hundreds of converged, cnn correspondents including our ryan young, ryan i know it's going to be tough for you to hear me right now, but set the scene on where you are in the midst of this crowd. >> reporter: well you can hear the music playing in the background very loud everybody is cheering. it's even hard to hear you. i want to share an interview
with you which is these young men right here helped to sign a truce in this neighborhood. they are gang members who decided to lay down the fight right now for the community. tell me why it's important to sign a truce. >> what was the question? >> just why did you feel it was important to sign that truce to make sure the community had a little peace while this was going on. >> first i want to say that the truce has been made. it wasn't just because of freddie gray that we all came together. this truce has been made. we actually are together to actually represent what we've been supposed to stand for. >> but i saw in the crowd removing young people from fighting and throwing things at officers. tell me about why you guys decided to do that. >> one, we wanted to protect not just the officers we wanted to protect our community so it won't be anything as far as -- so we won't clash and none of our brothers are not going to be
locked up. >> reporter: you thought it was important because there was a rumor before that gang members -- >> i wanted to clear up our program is called save our youth. one youth at a time they are the future. the reason why that riot went down it's been in the making since 2009. i want to set the record straight. it had nothing to do with the bloods the crips or any gang member. they never said that they were going to hurt the police officers or nothing of that nature. it was important that they needed to know. they had to find some way to get their voice heard. they turned their backs on them. >> you think it's important to work with officers at this point? >> it's very important. first of all, we was working with them. we used to have the pal centers, you remember those? the police officers patrolled the pal centers. they worked inside. the kids would come after school. >> let me stop you real quick. people has been talking about pal and they want those back. it's a conversation going on in this crowd. we'll talk about it some more.
fredricka? >> yeah those conversations are ongoing at kitchen tables around the country as well. ryan young, thank you so much. you're looking at the right of your screen and seeing many more who are on their way to this location right here at city hall. this is a celebration. we've heard it from the speakers a celebration for the life of 25-year-old freddie gray. at the same time many people have expressed that they are encouraged that the steps toward justice are under way with the charges being imposed on the six baltimore police officers. again, you're looking at the view right there. a number of people holding signs. there are people who are interacting with one another, people who are representing all walks, black, white, asian, latinos. you're seeing people who are bringing their children out here just as the family that i just interviewed a moment ago, bringing their 7-year-old and there are many teenagers here as well. we're going to have much more of our live coverage as hundreds
here right outside city hall. but i understand there's the mayor right now, stephanie rawlings-blake. let's listen in. >> if things change you'll be the first to know. >> mayor, i'm sara from cnn. how are you? >> good. >> can you tell me a little bit about, first of all, what you're doing here today and why you've come out today? >> we are here after hearing there was an immediate need in this community for food -- excuse me for a second. is he getting -- >> thank you so much. >> right this way. >> handle one question and then i've got to go back to serving. all right. what is your question? >> have you had any conversations with the department of justice? what are some of the things that are going on between the city and the doj? >> so the issue of police brutality, excessive force, those issues have been front and center for me for years. when i became mayor, i focused
on ways that we could engage the community in better ways. when i was mayor, there was -- under the previous administration there was a violent crime impact group that was responsible for the vast majority of the excessive force and shootings. and when i brought the new commissioner on board, we disbanded that group and have been working ever since to improve the relationships between the community and the police department. we have not only have reforms that we've put that place called preventing harm that's our reform document but even after that i asked the department of justice to come in through the community policing section to help us in a clab afternoon way to reform our police department. the only other option out there in collaboration -- well with the doj is if they come in with a consent decree. i want to be a full partner in reforming our police department and that's where we're headed. >> have you talked to them about this particular situation here
and freddie gray? i mean how recently have you spoken with the doj and had conversations with what is going on. >> i'm in constant contact with the department of justice but i can't speak to the case. >> can i ask you about some of the comments -- >> i said one more question and i'm going back to serving. i'm trying to be nice. thank you. >> let me just ask you about the question -- >> you can see i've been very generous with my time. i'm here to serve. >> you're listening to mayor stephanie rawlings-blake who doesn't want to answer any more questions. i actually had a scheduled sitdown interview with her yesterday and she cancelled that after the response -- after the press conference coming from the state's attorney. so now for the first time after the state's attorney announcing the charges against those six police officers we're seeing her in an unscripted kind of
natural setting right here at the park outside of city hall. she did come out and make a formal statement after the state's attorney yesterday saying that she was sickened by what she heard about the charges against those six police officers but of course we've all been wanting to hear a little bit more from the mayor, whether she knew that announcement was coming. it was clear, it seemed apparent that she did not know that announcement was coming but her statement following the state's attorney's announcement was very curt very short, but now we are seeing that she is here among the crowd as well here at city hall. this big rally converging right here outside of her office and she, as you just saw, is serving food and said she is here to serve the city. there are hundreds more who are on their way to this park just outside of city hall and that's where we find our nick valencia. so nick how close or how far away are you now?
>> reporter: well we're about four miles away fredricka from city hall. i've been joined now here by one of the demonstrators, bree newsome. we've seen so many people from all across the country, all different walks of life. what do you think it is that's united everybody? >> for one this is an issue that's going on in every city pretty much in america, especially any city with a significant black population. i came up from charlotte. we have a case going on right now with jonathan ferrell, who was killed by cops. the officer is on trial right now. >> what do you think is going to take to make that change that systemic change people are talking about? >> it's got to be accountability. people talk about how do we improve relations between the community and the police but there can be no improvement until we know cops will be held under the same standard and we all have equal protection under the law. >> we see police officers for the first time. we saw the presence of state
troopers that were blocking off the street but then they allowed you guys to go through. what do you make of that? >> i think that's the smart thing to do. why agitate? why increase the tension, you know what i mean? allow people to demonstrate and say what they need to say. we don't need unnecessary interaction with the police. that's what people are asking for right now, they want a reduction with the policing. >> thank you for taking the time with cnn. fredricka, we're continuing to march in the middle of the street. so far traffic has been shut down in some spots, in some places but these demonstrators continue to be peaceful showing their support for each other. not wanting monday night to represent the narrative but wanting this for the world to see baltimore is united people across the united states are united and they are continuing to seek justice not just for freddie gray but for others as well. >> nick valencia thank you so much as you all make your way to this final destination here
at city hall. i want to bring in sara sidner because those of you who are just joining us perhaps you heard the words of mayor stephanie rawlings-blake. she is actually here at this location. she came out where there are hundreds of people that have converged. she's handing out food and says she is here to serve the people. but sara it did not sound as like and her demeanor didn't exhibit that she wanted to talk any further about the case her reaction to the charges, more than what she stated in her press conference yesterday. >> reporter: yeah. i mean look she said one question. so she -- we talked to her a little bit. but of course there's a lot of questions that people have. i want to give you a little walk here. what's happening here and this is significant. people are getting food here because this neighborhood was so hard hit. there's not a lot of places to shop because of what happened on monday with the burning and the looting, but you can see the mayor there. she's giving out food.
she says she's here to serve. today is her day to serve. and not so much talk with the media. she is working hard here along with the other volunteers at the macedonia baptist church. let me show you where we are. one of the places that we found out where the police stopped that we did not know about until recently was right here at this store. and they stopped here and freddie gray was in the back of the wagon. and we all found out about that. there is certainly a lot of sort of conspiracy theories as to why that happened. a lot of concern as to why we are just now finding out about this next stop. and so this is happening right here in this neighborhood. a lot of folks around here concerned about what is going to happen when these charges go forward, what happens when the justice system. everyone has really got their
eyes focused on that. right now lots of folks out here picking up food. this is a neighborhood that is certainly blighted. when you drive around this does look in many many ways like almost a third world country. i hate to use those words, but there are lots of boarded-up places lots of boarded-up homes that have been abandoned. not very many places for you to go shopping for food. not very many places for you to go shopping period. and so this is a way for people to go ahead and get the things that they need. you're seeing the mayor take part in that right now. >> okay. so sara sidner thanks so much. thank you for that clarity too. so the mayor not here at city hall where hundreds have converged, but instead many blocks away in an area much needed particularly after so many of the businesses there have been boarded up and the need is great. she's handing out food there and again underscoring her message. the mayor saying she's here to
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whole thing and then you have to get the right camera into that situation. then you have to wait for the right light and then you have to hope that your subject doesn't disappear back into the jungle. the work from congo has been exhibited widely internationally. it represents ireland, my home country, which is a great honor. after that the exhibition the enclave, was shown all over the world. hello, everybody, and welcome back to baltimore. we are live here a rally under way. people of all walks are making their way through downtown baltimore on their way here to city hall. among them are pierce racanalli and will green. you felt it was important to be here today, why? >> well the first word that comes to mind is "justice."
doing the right thing, making sure the right things happen with this. we're obviously very sad for freddie gray and for his family and for the people of baltimore. it hurts. and it felt very important for me to be here and stand up for what i think is the right thing. >> you still work at the seaquarium here is that correct? >> i don't. i used to. >> both of you met there. >> yes. >> you both did work there. >> yes. >> as you go to the inner harbor today or even over the course of the last few days you see the presence of the national guard and police. what is that image like for you? >> at first, at first when i saw it it was crazy. but they're doing their job and i get that. and if they feel like they have to keep it safe, then i'm okay with that. >> there is an interesting message that comes with the police presence, the national guard presence this a day after the state's attorney imposes charges against police officers.
does that seem like an odd or mixed message for you, that here it is maintaining the peace in large part being at the ready just in case but at the same time the charges serve a big black eye for the police department? >> well i mean i think it's a step in the right direction because, frankly, something needs to be done about this. you know there have been a string of you know police crimes essentially against the african-american populous in the last six months especially but not just. and it needs to stop. so i think it's a step in the right direction. you never like to say that it's a good thing that police are convicted, but i think that it is -- it's justice and it needs to be done. >> okay. i want you to hold that thought. i want to listen in to state senator catherine hughes. >> freddie gray becomes symbolic of all of the black men in this
country who have been treated unfairly by our police. and we know that police reform is on the way. and i have said as a national president of the national black caucus of state legislators, this is a moment in which we can begin to elevate the conversation around race around race relations in this country. all we're talking about to america is about being fair. all of us pay taxes. all of us pay fees. and when this country jumpstarts industries on the backs of all of us then we ought to be a part of it. and so what we are calling for is public private partnerships that will put the same kind of investments in uptown that they put in downtown. we want great downtowns, but we want great neighborhoods as well. so i'm calling on america to understand that you've got to
begin to investment in our neighborhoods and in our communities. our people are not monolithic we run the gamut. we have folks who are very very poor but we've got some folks who are very very rich who can participate in the process of bringing back our neighborhoods and bringing back our communities. so let's -- please let's give a real shoutout to marilyn mosby, who showed america how we go about this process. trust her, trust her, trust her to continue to move the ball of justice forward. but let me say to you all, registering to vote is the most important thing that each and every one of you all out there who aren't registered to vote do that. but more importantly, you all, let's do this in peace and let's continue to push the movement forward. let's make investments in our neighborhoods and communities a reality. thank you so much.
>> all right. a resonating message there from state senator catherine hughes saying the investment needs to be made not just downtown but all of the neighborhoods so there is that kind of equity and opportunity. all right, we've got much more of our coverage here from baltimore and many more hundreds more make their way to city hall. i'm fredricka whitfield. thanks for being with me this afternoon. coming up next poppy harlow continuing our live coverage from baltimore. says she's an undisciplined overwaterer. she claims he's a cruel underwaterer. with miracle-gro moisture control potting mix, plants only get water when they need it. fight ended. or shifted? miracle-gro. life starts here. doug, we have the results, but first, we have a very special guest. come on out, flo! [house band playing] you have anything to say to flo? nah, i'll just let the results do the talking. [crowd booing]
and welcome back. you are looking at live now at pictures at a rally in downtown baltimore. that rally we have been following all afternoon in support of freddie gray. but first we have some breaking news out of london. just a short time ago, prince william and dutchess catherine introduced us to their new baby girl who weighed in at 8 pounds 3 ounces. this royal debut came much earlier than expected. it was just a few showers ago that kate gave birth. let's get right to cnn's royal correspondent, max foster. max, will we see some tiny princess any time again soon? >> the princess is safely tucked up in kensington palace behind me and i'm told the four of them are spending some bonding time together so they just want to be together.
prince george is in there meeting his little sister for the first time. he did pop to the hospital earlier but this was really about the four of them being together there, so no visitors tonight. no announcement on the name tonight. it was pretty extraordinary. she went in at 6:00 a.m. had the baby at 8:15 and they came out to that enormous press pack and they looked absolutely fine. i mean the dutchess very relaxed, smiling, had her hair done pretty amazing really. and the little princess looked very sweet and very healthy. more than 8 pounds so very smooth delivery and very successful birth. and this family this perfect royal family continues and feels more complete now according to a lot of people i have spoken to. a little boy and now a little princess. >> max, we still don't know her name yet. there's a huge betting pool in las vegas for what the name will ultimately be. the favorite name was charlotte. when will we get a formal name for her? >> reporter: well i think
probably we'll get it tomorrow because it took a couple of days for prince george's name to be announced. but i think things are moving much more quickly this time around. i think probably we'll hear the name tomorrow. some of the names being boungsced around are victoria charlotte, alexandra, because they're traditional names, they have a regal history. they go with george as well. we're waiting for that name. on prince george we show you the pictures of him arriving today. that was a bit of a moment for us. he's going to be the king of england that we haven't had, or king. u.k. we haven't had much access to him and so we haven't seen him in public for months. so he arrived and prince william took him out of the car and walked him along a little bit of the pavement but george wanted to get into his dad's arms and they walked up the steps and then turned around to the press and gave the press a big wave so this was a historic little moment as well. we don't have much access to him. want to follow how he's developing. we haven't seen him for so long.
that was a little moment for the u.k. and everyone went wild when prince george went in. he's a little star already and the outfit he was wearing is sold out already. he's a fashion icon as his sister will be as well. >> we just got a statement in from president obama and michelle obama reading, quote, michelle and i are delighted to congratulate the duke and dutchess of cambridge. her majesty, the queen, and the royal family and all the people of the united kingdom on the birth of the royal princess. on behalf of the american people we wish the duke and dutchess and their son, george much joy and happiness on the occasion of the arrival of the newest member of their family. max, one last question for you. i know it was a surprise to both of them this morning that they had a baby girl. did you feel an extra sense of jubilation on the ground there that this was a girl? >> reporter: well yeah because for the last two weeks whenever i asked everyone what they were
expecting, everyone wanted a girl all the betting was for a girl so there was a lot of excitement when a girl was finally announced. it was almost like it was a surprise it was a girl in the end. everyone was very very thrilled to see the little baby. there was a big public center down the road and there were screams coming out so i think britain is pretty happy right now. >> our thanks to you, max foster reporting live in london. cnn newsroom continues live from baltimore with poppy harlow at the top of the hour. ortho bug b gon gives you season-long control of all these types of bugs. spectracide gives you season-long control... of just ants. their label says so. bugged by more than ants? get ortho bug b gon. the label tells the story.
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