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this is cnn breaking news. hello, everyone. i'm ashleigh banfield. welcome to "legal view" following breaking news in texas. we are awaiting word on where the missing are after a series of deadly storms ripped through an area called van, texas. i want to take you to the emergency management coordinator giving a live news conference. let's listen in. >> at this time we can confirm we've had two fatalities as a result of this storm in van and van zandt county. power outages range anywhere from east of highway 110 north of fm 1995 up into the sand flat area. encore and atmos energy are working to restore the power and
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gas to these areas that have been affected. road and bridge crews from the city of van and van zandt county are working diligently to get the roads opened up and allow access for emergency responders to do another search to identify anybody that may not be accounted for. since our briefing this morning, eight people are still unaccounted for. we did locate two people who were fine and residing in the lindell at the time. bear with us. we have multiple emergency responders from across the region, across the state of texas coming in to assist with this disaster. the national weather service just arrived on scene and will be doing a damage assessment survey shortly and we'll have that information of what -- how powerful the tornado that struck the city of van at our 3:00 briefing. i'll introduce mayor dean stone, city of van. >> thank you. thank you, all, very much. it's a terrible thing for a city to come out like we did, but it's a great thing the way the
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people have responded. we were here last night when it hit. we were here all night and we're still here and a bunch of them still are. we lost a lot of good properties, but it's just something that you never expect, but we'll be working on it diligently. these gentlemen have told you some of the things that will come to pass, but we just have to stick together and do what we've been doing so far. there's no place else i would rather be at this time than right here where everybody sticks together and does their job. and we do appreciate it. and so thank you very much for your time and now i'm going to turn it to mr. dunn. >> don dunn, superintendent at van isd. last night's storms created some significant damage to our elementary campuses. je rhodes elementary school and
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van intermediate school took on some significant damage as well as the van isd administration building and our bus barn. as of right now we have four weeks of school. we're in the process of making plans to reorganize our campuses and to consolidate those two campuses into the remaining three. we will obviously have to communicate through facebook, twitter and our website but the great thing is, the damages to van isd are all brick and mortar. every bit of that can be replaced. we're just very blessed, we feel very blessed, that this did not happen during a school day and that i'm not standing up here
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right now talking to you about any kids. so just ask that you would continue to send your thoughts and your prayers to the community of van and the great people of this little town. thank you. [ inaudible ]. >> the two schools that were affected are j.e. rhodes elementary school and van intermediate school. >> [ inaudible ] van isd administration building and van isd bus barn were damaged. there was no damage to van middle school, van junior high school or van high school. >> the intermediate school -- [ inaudible ]. >> yes, sir. thank you. >> does anybody have any other questions for officials? kenneth? >> can you tell us where the fatalities occurred? what part of the city?
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>> the fatalities were on south bogart street near the mobile home park. >> it was a male and female. >> can you tell us [ inaudible ] how long it was on the ground, and how wide the destruction is? >> until we can get some aerial recon up in the air where we can look down at the exact path of the storm it does appear it traveled from a southwest to northeast trajectory through the community. as for how long it was on the ground or exactly where it was on the ground at we won't know that until we can get up and see things from the air. >> did the sirens go off? >> [ inaudible ]. >> one at a time. >> what was the early estimate, the number of homes damaged? >> we're easily looking at 50 to 100 homes in the city that have been damaged or destroyed. >> did sirens go off and how did people react? >> i do believe the sirens go off once a warning was issued by the national weather service. however, this storm spun up real fast and the warning time was
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extremely limited. >> did you search and rescue for the people unaccounted for at this time right knew? >> at this time we have multiple agencies with search canines going door to door in the neighborhoods affected to see if they can identify any of the missing people that we have names for. >> fatalities related to each other? >> yes, they were. >> husband and wife? >> they were adults. >> in the mobile home park? >> in an area south of the mobile home park. >> in a home? >> yes. >> was it the home that [ inaudible ] or -- >> i do not know details at this time of the extent of where they were at. >> okay. >> the people that are missing -- >> [ inaudible ]. it. >> makes it extremely difficult for people to see. the main thing heed the warning of the national weather service, local news and radio. when a warning is issued you to seek shelter immediately.
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>> no, sir, i live on the other side of the county. >> people are missing, are they all from the same area? >> there are people missing from the south side and also some people missing from the north side. >> do you know how many people actually have gone into the shelter at this point? do you have any number? >> as of -- do not have a total number of homeless, i know 50 people sought shelter last night, early this morning. >> stories have started -- [ inaudible ]. >> i -- none of those stories have been brought to us. >> any truth that some of the residents say they believed maybe two tornadoes hit this area? >> until the national weather service can do their damage assessment we won't know if the damage was a result of one tornado or two. keep in mind, that we did, while we were beginning our emergency
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response, we did go under another tornado warning at that time we did have to pull our emergency responders off the streets to seek shelter in the event that we were told there was another tornado inbound but we suffered no damage as a result of the second tornado warning. [ inaudible ]. >> do what, sir? >> how difficult the damage on the ground already at this point [ inaudible ] your job and search and rescue? >> it's making it extremely difficult on emergency responders to get access. the guys that we're sending in are trained in search and rescue. it's not just some of the regular volunteer fire department personnel that don't have the expertise in search and rescuep. we have paired them up with guys that know what they're doing and we feel effective and efficient that those guys will get in there and do the job and identify anybody that still may be missing. >> are any of them wearing
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cameras like gopros and will you be sharing that? >> i do not know if anybody is wearing a gopro or not. >> when is the last time -- >> as reporters continue to ask questions it is clear when severe weather strikes in north texas it shows no mercy. city of van, texas, almost 30% of it destroyed. the good news might be that two missing people have been located, but that leaves eight still missing and unaccounted for. and the confirmation from those officials that two, two are dead, a male and female, i mean this is awful. there was just so little warning time from the time that those sirens went off until the time that the tornado struck on saturday night. and another amazing fact there that emergency responders were out looking for the missing when another tornado warning brought them in and off the job. so now that enormous task of cleaning up, finding the missing, and then, of course, assessing what kind of tornado was that, an ef-3, ef-4. that all remains to be seen.
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we'll follow this breaking story throughout the program. time is ticking. and the clock is too for dzhokhar tsarnaev. that drawing on the left is sister helen testifying about what a contrite soul dzhokhar tsarnaev was in her five visits with him. will that make an ounce of difference to a jury who's seen him week after week, caring so little in that courtroom? i love making sunday dinners. but when my back hurt, cooking all day... forget about it. tylenol was ok, but it was 6 pills a day. but aleve is just 2 pills all day. and now, i'm back!
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rested their cases and that means it's all over by the closing arguments. that is set to begin on wednesday now. the defense wrapped its case with a celebrity witness, the nun made famous by her book and kwents movie "dead man walking." today we learned that sister helen met with dzhokhar tsarnaev five different times since march and much to the surprise of many, she testified that the 21-year-old who has appeared untouched, uninterested and at times really just bored in that courtroom, showed the sister a much different side, something she described as remorse. i'll repeat it, remorse. deb feyerick joins me live outside of the courthouse in boston and with me in studio in new york, hln legal analyst and defense attorney joey jackson. first to you, deb, get me up to speed, they've rested, what did we learn? >> well, they rested, but the final witness for the defense
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was nothing short of explosive. it was the first time that anyone had any insight into what the marathon bomber, dzhokhar tsarnaev, has been thinking over the course of these last months while this trial has been going on. now sister helen made famous as you said by "dead man walking" testified she met with him five times as recently as last week, that in one of the meetings dzhokhar tsarnaev lowered his eyes, his voice filled with pain, she says, and he told her, quote, emphatically, no one deserves to suffer like they did. the sister saying that he seemed genuinely remorseful saying, quote, i had every reason to think he was genuinely sorry of what he did, as if she was channeling his words and feelings because we have seen those images of him in the jail cell taunting the marshals, sticking up his middle finger, that was in the days after the bombing, the weeks after the bombing, but this was the first time that we saw what he was allegedly thinking while this
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trial was going on because as you say, he sat there and showed absolutely no reaction when the victims got up to testify about how horrible their injuries were and how long the road has been getting back to even some semblance of normalcy. >> joey jackson, if you could weigh in, the jury misses nothing. they are so wrapped especially when it becomes more and more clear their decision is coming. a life and death decision. you hear a nun talk about contrition, remorse, over the course of let's just say an hour, and you compare that to week after week after week of watching that young man stride into court with swagger, not drop a tear for any of those families, not drop a tear for anyone who's lost limbs and life, how is that going to be weighed by them? >> oh, i think they'll weigh it in a significant way. understand with closing arguments coming up, as you laid it out, make no mistake about it, the prosecution will make
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that point in addition to which we've seen the picture of the finger to the camera and that exactly is what the prosecution will do. now this is a big moment, though, for the defense, make no mistake about it. the judge, of course, limited the testimony, did not allow the nun to get into the more underpinnings of the death penalty, why it's not appropriate, why it's not proper for society, but she, that is the nun, wrapped herself up in his testimony in as much as this was him testifying on the stand without the benefit of cross-examination. she's saying in her discussions he appeared remorseful. no one should have to suffer like this. in her discussions he was approachable and easy to talk to. the character impact is impactful, but when you weigh that what the jury sees with the lack of emotion that tells another story about who and how he is. >> secondhand information and they've had weeks and weeks of firsthand visual affirmation. >> process to evaluate, sure. >> and deb feyerick, are you still with me? i'm not sure if you had a view
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to the faces of those jurors, how they were digesting it? it is hard to read tea leaves and hard to read jurors, but you oftentimes will get people shaking their heads or rolling their eyes if they feel a certain way. did we get a read on the jury when they heard these things? >> no. they were looking intently at the sister helen when she was testifying, but there was one experience that i saw when one of his teachers was testifying, the testimony so emotional that this juror actually bent over and began crying because she saw dzhokhar tsarnaev really not as this killer, this bomber, but somebody who simply could not get out from the extraordinary dysfunction of his family and the dominance of his own brother and you really got the sense that the testimony of those in favor of dzhokhar tsarnaev did register with some of the jurors in that, you know, in that courtroom. and that's what's going to be so difficult. the crimes, they have dispensed justice on the crimes. now it's a question of whether, in fact, that's the whole of
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dzhokhar tsarnaev, this bad, evil man, and whether the crimes justify putting him to death which is what prosecutors are arguing. they had witnesses testifying the super max prison is too lenient, too many privileges, so it's going to be an interesting deliberation once it gets going. >> well -- >> and that is significant on the issue of we talked about the super max prison and how terrible a prison it is, but now with the rebuttal, the prosecution reminds that jury that as deb said, there are privileges that you have in that prison and you're still alive, you can get educated in that prison and perhaps it's not the place that the defense would like you to believe he's alive after all to enjoy privileges that those who have died have not. >> and you also get to chat with the unabomber and ted kaczynski, richard reid, no picnic at the super max. but i'm fascinated by the dichotomy of the careless, man in the courtroom.
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>> thank you, deb, and joey. i appreciate it. coming up, a tragic reminder to all about the dangers of being a police officer. four suspects are now due in court this afternoon as a mississippi town mourns two officers killed in the line of duty.
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of all the calamities that could befall a police officer the scariest could be the seemingly routine traffic stop that ends with the officer's death or in the case we're following in hattiesburg, mississippi, two officers' deaths. four different suspects all due in the forest county justice court to hear an array of charges that could send two of them at least to death row. marvin banks and joanie callaway each are facing two counts of capital murder. marvin's brother curtis is charged with being an accessory after the fact. cornelius clark is charged with obstructing justice. before this weekend it had been 30 years since hatties
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pittsburgh experienced a police officer being killed in the line of duty. that city instead will be holding a vigil for two, officer benjamin dean named officer of the year in 2012, officer liquori tate, a rookie on the force for less than a year. i want to bring in my cnn colleague alina machado. loretta lynch, head of the d.o.j. weighing in and before we get to what she had to say, i'm still waiting on details of what happened in this calamity where two officers are dead, four in custody, a police cruiser stolen, what transpired at the actual scene? >> ashleigh, the short answer is we don't know because authorities have not released those kinds of details just yet. i mean, there's nothing routine if you talk to a police officer about a traffic stop, right. they always say, we always have to be careful because these kinds of things could quickly happen and escalate. what we know is that one of the officers initiated the stop. he called for backup and that's
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when the other officers arrived. what happened between that moment and the moments gunshots have have started flying we have not been told by authorities. as you mentioned the attorney general loretta lynch did release a statement a while ago, i'm going to read part of the statement, and in it she says the department of justice stands ready to offer any possible aid to the hattiesburg community as they investigate this appalling incident and we will continue to do all that we can to protect our officers across the country and support those that wear the badge. officer deen and tate were committed and courageous public officials dedicated to their community and devoted to their mission. they exemplify the very best that our country has to offer. ashleigh? >> alina machado reporting live for us, we will continue to follow that and get details on why and how this unfolded let us know. reporting live for us. you know, officer liquori tate's
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dream came true on june 11th just last year, 2014, because on that date, he proudly announced on facebook and i'm going to quote him, i graduated the police academy today. i am now a police officer. i would like to thank god, the police academy, the police department, my family, friends and loved ones. today those loved ones are instead shattered but thankful for the man they knew as cocoa, called him the rock star. tate's mother sister and father spoke on "new day." >> he always wanted to be a police officer since he was young. playing with police cars and xbox games and just having that protective spirit that has always been one of his dreams. >> lonnie, tell us what you want us all to know about liquori? >> well, he was -- we called him
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cocoa, his mother nicknamed him that, and most people who know him, know him as cocoa. he was -- will always be remembered as a very respectful young man, very balanced. he loved life. he was fun. he was a fun guy. he was a jokester. he knew how to enjoy life. he loved his mama's cooking. he loved to eat and the thing i'll remember the most, of course, is every time he came here to jackson with us, he has three younger siblings here, it's like a rock star walks in the house, they go crazy, cocoa, cocoa, i'm going to remember that and miss that tremendously how much he was loved and how much he loved and what a balanced young man that he was. a great example and a very humane police officer. he knew how to treat people with dignity and with great humanity.
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>> coming up next i'm going to speak with a local reporter who once called one of those slain officers his friend. and who is now instead covering his friend's murder. out of 42 vehicles, based on 6 different criteria, why did a panel of 11 automotive experts, name the volkswagen golf motor trend's 2015 car of the year?
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we're looking ahead to the arraignment less than four hours from now, four suspects held in the killing of two police officers in hattiesburg, mississippi.
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it happens that today, we have brand new figures that are out from the fbi on the number of police officers killed on duty across the nation. there it is on the left at the top. 51, 51 officers dying fe lones youly as the fbi puts it, and that is one heck of a sharp increase from the year before because those are 2014's numbers. 2013, that number was down at 27 and it was the lowest in years as well. the third number is the per year average going back to 1980. and it is 64 the number many would agree is too high. officer benjamin deen was a canine officer on a hattiesburg force and leaves behind a wife and two children and a friend named ryan moore. moore happens to also be a reporter at wdam in hattiesburg and believe me when i tell you reporters and cops get to know one another quickly when you're on the beat. ryan, thanks for taking the time
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out of the day to help us through this. first and foremost, before i get to knowing who your friend was a deeper, profound way, do you know anything about how this all transpired? >> no, we don't. actually all we do know is that it stemmed from a traffic stop and from there is when shots started being fired. >> and that's it. family friends, reporters, alike, all seemingly in the dark as this is investigated. tell me about your friend, about officer deen, and what kind of a guy he was? >> i've known officer deen for a few years. he had great relationship, canine. he was a wonderful canine officer. i got the opportunity multiple times to photograph him playing with tommy, working at the training academy, training, doing things they do. he was a great guy. he was a great friend. he had a great love for his family, along with that a pretty private person. he was a good old country boy some would say.
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>> we're seeing some of the pictures of him with his canine officer, his colleague, his fellow officer on four legs. how is your community digesting this incredible loss? it's two people but it is a very significant crime, four people arrested, and it's been decades since officers have been lost there if? >> that's correct. the last officer killed in the line of duty was officer jackie sheryl in december of 1984 and since then the community has tried to come together and heal as much as possible, but that even being said, the loss of these two officers has struck the community deep. >> have you had a chance to speak with officer dean's family or friends at this point? anybody, how they're doing? >> i've spoke with multiple friends that are even closer friends than i am to deen and they're hanging in there. they're taking it out hour by hour no we've reported, you
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know, he leaves behind a wife and two children. do you have any word on how they're being treated and, you know, how they're sort of being shepherding through this terrible, terrible process? >> i cannot imagine any of that aspect of how they feel or what they're going through. but i do know that they do have loved ones around them that are looking after them and taking care of them for anything they may need. >> well, ryan, i appreciate you taking the time and thanks for sharing pictures with us as well and our hearts go out to you and the rest of the community in this loss. >> thank you, ashleigh. >> ryan moore, joining us live from hattiesburg. coming up next, the trial of james holmes through the eyes of a mother who just spent another mother's day mourning a daughter who died in that theater massacre. we got the new tempur-flex and it's got the spring and bounce of a traditional mattress. you sink into it, but you can still move it around.
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week three of the colorado movie shooting trial, week three of what could be a six-month long case. james holmes' defense says he is not guilty by reason of insanity. but the prosecution is showings the lengths this man went to try to stop the police from taking him down, either at the theater or at his apartment because today the jury is hearing from an fbi special agent about all of those explosives found in holmes' booby-trapped apartment. had someone opened ta door and stepped inside inadvertently there could have been even more victims in this already tragic story. you know the name of the killer. you've heard it time and time again. here are the names of the 12 victims who lost their lives that day. rebecca wingo, alexander teves,
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alex sullivasullivan, verroneny moser-sullivan, matt mcquinn, john larry mer, gordon cowden, jeske childress, alexander boik, and jessica redfield ghawi. jessica was 24 years old and went to the new batman movie with her friend brent. one of her last tweets the day before the shooting is this. quote, never thought i would have to coerce a guy into seeing the midnight showing of "the dark knight rises" with me. her mother sandy phillips and stepfather lonnie phillips join me live and they have moved heaven and earth to attend every day of the trial. thanks so much for taking the time to speak with us. first and foremost, how are the two of you holding up as we head into week three of this. >> we're holding up by holding on to one another and the other family members that are here that we've become close to over
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the last two and a half, almost three years. >> this has -- so. >> we've had rough days in court. >> go ahead, lonnie. we've had some rough days in court but with the other families there with support we've been getting through it. >> so this is not easy for of two of you to attend trial. you have had to uproot your lives and as i understand it, you're living in a mobile home just so you can be there every single day? >> yes. we -- actually our lives have been upside down almost three years. so it was a pretty easy decision to decide we wanted to be here during the trial, and represent the other families who couldn't be here, and represent our daughter most importantly. so we leased our house out and sold all our furniture and
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bought a travel trailer and truck and pulled it along with us and here we are for the remaining trial days. >> that's a lot of trial days. we're just two full weeks in starting week three and this could go on for upwards of six months. do you feel you made the right move? will you be able to get through that much of this awfulness? >> yes. we made the right move. >> yeah. >> absolutely. there was no doubt. we didn't have discussion about it. we made the decision and did it. >> the awfulness happened three years ago almost. we've been living with awfulness so it was just the next step in our journey and as long as we have each other to take that journey with, we're okay. >> i know that you have not been supportive of the notion there is a camera in that courtroom and i understand and empathize
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with you on what it must feel like to have that image of that killer every day in that courtroom. at the same time, can you help us understand as we look at a very static image, what it's like for you and the family members to be that close to him day in and day out? >> actually, he's kind of a enigma. he plays the court very well. he plays the jury very well. he sits there very quietly. exchanges comments with his attorneys. we see his parents in the courthouse and that's probably more difficult than seeing him in many ways. so, you know, you just -- you buck up. i mean there's no other way of putting it. you just pull your boots on every day and say okay, we're
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going to hear some things we don't want to hear. and you hold on tight. >> we've been there a couple weeks now and kind of got used to the routine. it's -- there's always unexpected testimony and gut wrenching stuff that we try to protect ourselves against if we have to leave we leave. >> yeah. >> but it's -- >> they have an overflow courtroom so if the testimony gets to be too much, but we still want to hear and see what's going on, we can step into another courtroom and watch it from there. so, you know, we do have that advantage, where -- because we're not supposed to cry, we're not supposed to show emotion. you know, he has all the rights. we have none. so that's been difficult. some of the things we hear on a daily basis when we hear a about somebody being found in row 13, we know who that is. and we know the family and we
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know the devastation. so it's a lot more personal to us than it is to the jurors at this point. >> sandy -- can i -- i want to ask you about the jurors. do you ever see them looking at you? do you ever get a chance to look directly at them and whether you know it or not besiege in them the justice you're both looking for? >> they do see us. they don't know who we are. it's never been pointed out to them that there are family members every day in the courtroom. but they do see us. they don't know who we are. but we've been able -- here in colorado the jurors are allowed to ask questions at the end of the testimony and we've been very, very impressed with the questions they have asked. they seem to be a very serious and a very connected jury, so we're hopeful. >> do you -- do you know exactly
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what you want out of this process? it's early, but yet, are you sure you know what you want to see come of this? >> yeah. we're sure. we want him in a place where he cannot harm anyone else. doesn't matter to us which way this comes out. there's no justice for us. we've already lost our daughter. we're just trying to protect other families from going through what we go through and support them. >> the only thing that would be unacceptable to most of us is if he were committed because if he was committed to a mental institution, their job is to release him some day and that would be unacceptable and the other outcome would be a mistrial where we would have to go through this all again. a hung jury would be devastating. >> i know you do not like -- >> anything beyond that -- >> i know you do not like to hear this killer's name and so let's say the name of your daughter, jessica redfield
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ghawi. can you close this interview telling me what you want us to know about her? >> oh, my. a lightning in a bottle. joy, hope, fresh air. what else, baby? >> well, of course we miss her presence. that's the main thing. and it happens any time of the day, any time of the night, we miss her. and we want the world to know that we're doing this because of her, because she would want us to use this tragedy to help other people and because of her we're doing this. >> again, her name -- >> it has to stop. >> jessica redfield ghawi i will say it again and again because too often it's the killer who gets the attention instead of beautiful people like your daughter. i don't -- i can't profess to know the half of her but her
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pictures are like you said, lightning in a bottle. sandy and lonnie, our heart goss out to you and i'm sending you strength as you progress through the next few months of this. >> thank you, ashleigh. that's so kind. we appreciate it. >> thank you. >> we'll be right back. i have type 2 diabetes. i started with pills. and now i take a long-acting insulin at night. i take mine in the morning. i was trying to eat right, stay active. but i wasn't reaching my a1c goal anymore. man: my doctor says diabetes changes over time. it gets harder to control blood sugar spikes after i eat and get to goal. my doctor added novolog® at mealtime for additional control. now i know. novolog® is a fast-acting, injectable insulin and it works together with my long-acting insulin. proven effective. the mealtime insulin doctors prescribe most. available in flexpen®. vo: novolog® is used to control high blood sugar in adults and children with diabetes.
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reeassign the case to a special prosecutor, a big demand and it's coming from the attorneys for the six baltimore police officers charged in freddie gray's death. that prosecutor marilyn mosby has come under fire from the police for being what they say is too quick to file charges against the officers not to mention potential clun flicts of interests -- conflicts of interests in their opinion. joining me sarah sidner live in baltimore along with hln legal analyst joey jackson. where are we in this battle of words already? has it actually becomes battle of paperwork and is there a response from the prosecutor about this demand? >> there's no response yet. the prosecutor has been pretty clear in saying she does not want to try this case in the media. although she did read the charges out in her initial press conference when she announced that she was going to be charging these six officers with very serious charges including second-degree murder. what we have seen is a motion
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filed, 109 pages, by the attorneys for the six officers and really, what's listed in that, some of the main points have to do with conflicts of interests they see and are alleging, relationships she has, for example, with the attorney for freddie gray's family, relationships she may have with potential witnesses, the fact that her office went in and did its own investigation into the case separate from the police investigation. so there are some things that have come up. even the relationship with her husband because he's a councilman and district where freddie gray was killed saying it could give him political clout her going forward with this prosecution. we should be clear it is likely she herself, the chief prosecutor marilyn mosby will not be trying this case, it will likely be given to one of her veterans. this paperwork says it's not just her, but her office should be taken off of this case. it's fascinating to watch this. this is not normal. we don't see this all the time but where we did see it was
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ferguson. the place where really the birth place of this movement. we saw this happen in ferguson but the reverse, people felt he was biased towards the police not towards the people who were involved in the case. >> let me get joey on that. you also have police officers in your family, in ferguson the prosecutor had police officers in his family. in baltimore, the prosecutor has police officers in her family. what am i missing in that ferguson they wanted the prosecutor off the case because they thought he was too cozy with the cops and in baltimore the prosecute ir off the case because she think she's too cozy with the protesters. >> here in lies the issue. the issue, people want to understand that you have an investigation that's fair, that's independent, a process that works and a process that you can trust. now, if you get to that process you can trust then everyone will buy into it and initially
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whenever you look at the prosecutor's office prosecuting police, there's that perception that perhaps there's not fairness because you're working with the police. but as you mentioned and as sarah mentioned a twist here, because it's not so much that hey, you're working with the police and be biased towards the police, in favor of them. in this case they're saying maybe there's a bias against the police and so ultimately you have to come up with a process and you're going to see a growing movement on this nationally where everyone could respect whatever happens, whether it's for the police or against the police. >> some critics brought up the fact maybe it's a race issue because a white prosecutor and white officer in ferguson and here a black prosecutor and black victim in baltimore, but can you perhaps help me through the technical, which might change things? in ferguson, there were no charges. there was nothing. we all waited for a grand jury which gined ups the energy, but here, charges, and yet we still
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might have a grand jury. >> let's address that. the first thing is that the prosecutor's job is to level charges in the event they believe there's probable cause. if you're the attorney for the police officers, of course, you're going to file this motion because she has, mosby, the state's attorney made clear this isn't business as usual. it's rare you see officers charged, much less indicted. she started off with the charges and it will go to a grand jury, it could be a preliminary hearing. in the grand jury you impanel 23 people, 12 of which, simple majority has to conclude, a, is there probable cause to believe a crime was committed and b, did these officers do it? based on the fact she's moving full steam ahead the attorney is saying wait a second this is unchartered ground. now you a motivated state's attorney who wants an indictment here, they're saying not so fast it needs to be independent. she may go the preliminary hearing route where there is no grand jury she takes it to a
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judge. >> it's complicated and fascinating and the details matter. sarah sidner, great work on these very similar yet different stories. everyone thank you so much for watching. stay tuned "wolf" starts after this quick break.
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