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joining us. this is cnn breaking news. >> let's get to the breaking news. a country still reeling from a major earthquake gets hit again. take a look at this video just in from nepal. it shows a building collapsing into a pile of dust and rubble. >> wow. today's magnitude 7.3 trembler comes less than three weeks after a devastating earthquake killed thousands of people. as the ground shook once again, traumatized residents scrambled to try to get to safety. >> all of the buildings in the area that i was driving through where we ended up stopping just emptied, literally hundreds of people mom with their kids close to their vests, men, young kids pouring out of these
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buildings, confusion, a lot of real anxiety, couple gentlemen i watched running back into buildings to try to rescue people. it was quite an event. >> at least 68 people have died in the latest earthquake more than 1200 injured. those numbers could very well go a lot higher. the quake was centered east of nepal's capital of kathmandu. the epicenter of the april 25th quake was west of the city. the quake triggered landslides. a red cross team from canada captured these images 30 miles north of kathmandu. the region has been hit by powerful aftershocks including one with a magnitude of 6.3. let's get the latest on the ground our correspondent will ripley in cat mando joining you on the phone. will first of all, what are you seeing in. >> we just arrived here at the airport minutes ago, wolf and as we were flying over i could see that much of the city has electricity and unlike visits
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after the first earthquake on april 25th we were able to get in after only circling the airport for about 30 minutes congestion on the ground. i must tell you that the flight attendants on the plane were very nervous because when we took off from hong kong they had been unable to reach tare families to make sure they're safe because the phones are jammed. like most residents here they will be sleeping outside tonight. this is an area just now starting to trust it was safe to be back inside their homes and yet after the building collapses from the powerful earthquake earlier today, a lot of people even if they don't have tents will simply be sleeping outside. thankfully it's not raining at least right now, wolf. >> another huge, huge earthquake. i understand will at least 17 of the people killed so far in the earthquake today, were in india. this is a very widespread earthquake with an impact crossing borders, isn't that right? >> that's right. and aid workers are trying to
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get to all of the affected areas. the epicenter of the quake is about an nine hour trip from kathmandu. as you mention people killed in india, here a majority of deaths here in nepal as well the number up to 50 the confirmed number but one person dead in tibet, wolf? >> will the people of the region obviously still recovering from the april 25th earthquake when this one hit. this has to be so traumatic for people. i understand people are just going outside. they're afraid to be in buildings. is that what we're seeing? >> absolute panic here. and you get a sense of how on edge people are. when we were unloading our bags at the airport, one of the bags fell down and made a large boom and several people shouted and jumped. that's how fearful people are right now of something falling, of a building coming down another earthquake. this has been such a difficult
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2 1/2 weeks for nepal and this region and for them to go through this again, another powerful earthquake deadly earthquake more building collapses, it's just terrible for these people wolf. >> will standby. want to bring in our own joining us from new delhi right now. you know nepal well. how hard does this second quake make recovery from the first quake and this is a real disaster unfolding? >> >> that's right, wolf. nepal was just really moving from the search an rescue phase to that relief and rehabilitation phase and people were just beginning to go back to work get over the trauma really and move back into their homes, a lot of them but a lot were still camping out because they were too scared to go to their homes or didn't have a home to go back to. then this happens. this is going to have a huge impact, of course, on the minds of the people and the psychology of the people you know we've
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been talking to a lot of people on the ground talking about the noise, the sound of all those people yelling when they realized this was another massive earthquake. in terms of relief operations this will hamper a lot of that as well because there's been a series of land slides in that area around the epicenter of this earthquake. microsoft major highways have been blocked out, the highway to china as well and this is an area that people were already -- the army government was struggling to get to these parts in nepal and now you have this. you know we've went out on -- with the army several times on the chopper a lot of times that was the only way to get to these parts of nepal because of the altitude you can only take a certain amount of relief material in. you can only bring back a certain amount of injured people. so the whole thing is so the whole process is so complicated
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and this just sets all of that back a little bit once again. wolf? >> and then these past three weeks the huge earthquake at the end of april, but since then there have been a lot of aftershocks as well and now a second major earthquake unfolding. so when you are speaking to folks over there, what are they saying to you, sumnima? >> absolutely terrified, wolf. they were terrified anyway after that first earthquake. as i mentioned a lot were camping out when i asked them when do you plan on moving back to your home, they said look it still feels, even when no earthquake still feel it's shaking all the time. aftershocks constantly almost every day, there was aftershocks, two or three of them some of them very, very strong and even after today's earthquake a lot of people were saying they just thought maybe this was another one of the aftershocks and quickly realized this is actually much more than just an aftershock and then they started running, started
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screaming, many people crying complete chaos on the streets even now. a lot of people obviously too scared to go back into their homes, not many open areas in kathmandu, a very congested city they're just out on the streets, the police has put out a statement asking people to, you know unclog those streets so that the police the army can operate, but still, people are out on the streets just too scared. telecommunications has been difficult, so, you know people are just sort of traumatized, wolf. >> sumnima, thank you so much. reporting for us. i want to bring in our meteorologist tom seder who's watching what's going on. tom, how extraordinary is it two powerful earthquakes hitting basically the same region within a matter of three weeks? >> great question wolf. in fact for the most part when we look at a magnitude quake of that 7.8 original quake, yes,
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you can have aftershocks that go on days weeks, months and have them that can be strong but to have a 7.3 this close on average it doesn't occur very much. most of the buildings we're seeing collapse with the latest aftershock that's what we're going to call it an aftershock taking down buildings and land slide slides. why we're calling this an aftershock and not a seconds quake the reason is the place plnt of the aftershock. the original quake, 7.8, a swarm of aftershocks almost every hour or two hours the fir couple days. then a 6.7, rare enough but does happen that causes landslides. langtang national forest 200 people were buried many were international hikers from around the world. but they started to taper off. almost one every day or two days. when you have a quake, this is the first one, almost three weeks ago, 7.8, it is possible to have one aftershock that is bigger than a 6.8. we know we had the 6.7.
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most have been from 4.0 to around 5.3. but we can have many more. still energy locked in to the crest here that needs to escape. so here's the second one. 7.3. nine miles deep. that's shallow. you feel the shaking much more. just like the first one, the depth is pretty much the same. the usgs based on the strength and population gives us a 35% chance for the tragic news that 100 to 1,000 lives could be lost like we saw with the first quake we're going to see the number unfortunately rise. here is a map, kathmandu right here in the center of your screen this is where the shaking was felt to the east and then over the mountains to the south into india therefore they have fatalities as well 3.8 million feel extreme shaking. this is why we think it's an aftershock. the very first quake epicenter well to the northeast of kathmandu. here's cat mando. much in the way of damage to the
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east but nothing to the north. in fact there was a rip in the crest, along the fault, where we saw all the damage with the first one come across kathmandu to the north. the langtang national forest here where we had many landslides but most of the aftershocks from the first quake occurred from kathmandu into this area. you can see it now. all of the dots are aftershocks from this aftershock. so that fault line that ripped that goes to the east, extreme area we're seeing a new, powerful quake, you can call it a quake, aftershock what have you, and start to see some of the train. strong shaking to moderate to lighter to the north. however, as we take a look and you're going to be able to see the terrain with this is quite extensive and we will more landslides. with the last one, this is interesting, with that 7.8, cat mando actually rose about three feet while mt. everest dropped about an inch and a half. but at least aid is there and that is good news.
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there will be more aftershocks. we will be watching this closely as you know. messages are coming from around the world. here a gentleman on the coast of india, oh, god, save nepal, unbelievable story. >> not over by any means. there could be as you point out more and more aftershocks. tom sater, thanks very much. much more on the breaking news coming up on this second devastating earthquake in nepal. we'll speak with a man who says the quake felt like the whole earth was alive. later, president obama taking on very sensitive issues here in the united states of poverty and violence and race and picking chicago's south side for his presidential library. are these clues to how he wants to shape his presidential legacy? you know our new rope has actually passed all the tests. we're ready to start with production. ok, are you doing test markets like last time? uh, no we're going to roll out globally. ok. we'll start working on some financing options right away. thanks, joe. oh, yeah. it's a game-changer for the rock-climbing industry. this is one strong rope! huh joe? oh, yeah it's incredible!
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for the first time since fighting broke out in ukraine a year ago, the secretary of state, john kerry, is now in russia for talks with russian president vladimir putin. ukraine, the middle east especially syria and iran they're very much on the agenda for these meetings. joining us from new york michael weis our cnn contributor, fellow with the institute of modern russia and co-author of "isis inside the army of terror." as you know kerry met with putin in moscow two years ago. putin spoken with president obama in person couple so-called neutral summits outside of russia over the past two years. what does it say about the relationship that kerry, the secretary of state, has now gone to russia michael? >> well the russian press and russian officials are spinning this as see, america has come yet again, hat in hand capitulating to russian prowess. they want something from us. they realize they can't win in
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ukraine, they can't, you know, engage in any diplomatic endeavors with respect to syria or iran without russia's participation. and also the fact that kerry was laying wreaths for fallen russian soldiers in world war ii after the united states essentially boycotted victory day in russia is another sort of symbolic significant event for the kremlin here. they're saying essentially that the u.s. is suing for peace again. they realize they didn't get what they want sanctions haven't worked the fact that this took place in sochi in putin's personal residence, sochi being the location of last year's winter olympics another twist of the knife, i think. the timing i would submit is poor. today happens to be the day that the colleagues of the slain first deputy prime minister boris themsov released the report on russia's military invasion of ukraine which found 220 russian soldiers died in two battles in ukraine, one of which took place in january, february
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of this year. literally as russia was drafting or helping to draft the so-called ming peace agreement. to the russian opposition i think to those in ukraine, they see this as quite poor optics. >> there are major differences, we're standing by for a news conference secretary kerry will be holding a joint news conference with the russian foreign minister i assume ukraine will be high on the agenda. syria, iran when it comes to iran and the nuclear program, both of these countries seem to be relatively correct me if i'm wrong, on the same page right? >> superficially so. i think there's something else going on here. it was interesting, samantha power the u.s. ambassador to the united nations gave an interview with charlie rose last week and said look we hope that if we get a nuclear deal with iran that iran will help us get rid of bashar al assad in syria. first time ever a senior official in the obama administration, i agree with
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this you can't address the problem of isis without getting rid of assad. we're led to believe that iran would be a sort of integral partner in foe meanting what you might call regime decapitation or transition. russia would have to work to see that forward too. what's happening in syria is interesting. the regime is losing losing badly and so is iran by the way, in northern syria, islib provis has fallen out of the regime's control, southern syria and the regime and guard corps of iran have been badly defeated. the u.s. sees this as an opportunity. aepts skeptical a nuclear deal with iran or any kind of friendly overtures with the kremlin will bring about this sort of grand ambition. but remember as you pointed out, wolf last time kerry went to moscow was for what to sue for peace in syria get russia to stop selling s-300 anti-aircraft missiles to assad and the event of that was the announcement of the geneva 2 peace protocol
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which went nowhere. this is a sort of do over trying to get russia on board for a host of issues. >> are they on the same page michael, when it comes to fighting isis russia and the obama administration? >> no. because russia believes that assad is a key in integral indispensable partner in the fight against isis and if samantha powers believed the president has now come to the belated recognition that you can't defeat radical jihadism in syria, if you have allowed to maintain in damascus one of the leading state sponsors of radical jihadism and never made a priority of fighting isis and largely responsible for the facilitation of their rise to power, so they are not on the same page here but again, you know kerry is giving it the old college try, see if it works this time. >> see if it will. standing by for the news conference. the foreign minister of russia sergei love rov and secretary of state, we'll have coverage coming up. michael, thank you. up next more on the
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lavrov lavrov lavrov lavrov. it's a frank and troubling assessment on isis coming from the head of the national security agency here in the united states who says this about isis efforts to recruit followers on-line in the united states. >> this concern about individuals within the united states increasingly resonated,
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if you will with the ideology of isil and the idea of acting vieolently is of great concern. it's a trend that would suggest things are increasing not decreasing. >> joining us to discuss from orlando, florida retired lieutenant mark hertling cnn military analyst, former commander of the u.s. army in europe and joining us from new york cnn global affairs analyst bobby goesh, the managing editor. we'll get to the cyber threats and isis recruitment in a moment. first talking to michael weis about the u.s. and russia potentially working together in some areas to fight isis. the white house press secretary josh earnest says the two countries have a strong counterterrorism cooperation. general hertling how has that been working out? >> hasn't been working out well lately but it could. you know i think russia is just as concerned, all the reports i'm hearing, is russia is just as concerned with returning jihadsists as we are and, in
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fact maybe a little bit more so. they have a great many boundaries with countries that have these kind of terrorist threats within them. they fought the chechens for a while, repressed some elements of their population so there is the potential for this increased linkage. you have the issue with their previously backed syrian partner that is as michael said earlier, is falling apart right now. i think they are going to be looking for an increased partnership with the united states in terms of fighting terrorism. >> and we're waiting for this news conference to happen, bobby, between the foreign minister of russia and the secretary of state of the united states. do you anticipate anything major emerging? it's been a long time since the secretary of state has been to russia two years since a high ranking u.s. official has met with the russian president putin. >> well the major thing that was going to happen is that that kerry has gone. i wouldn't expect anything beyond that to come at the press conference but it is an
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important significant development that the secretary of state has gone to russia after a long spell. there is something to be taken away from that. i share michael's skepticism from your previous segment. you know the two countries rationally have plenty in common faced plenty of threats in common but russia occasionally will go off the reservation and not behave in a rationale fashion. we've seen that time and time again with vladimir putin in georgia, more recently in ukraine. so it's a little hard to know what exactly they want out of this meeting. but they're going to make a big deal of the fact that the meeting is taking place at all. >> and make a big deal the russians will that the american secretary of state has now paid a visit to sochi, met with putin and lavrov and they will have this news conference. let me get your quick thought on what we heard from the director of the national security agency here in the united states that
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isis seems to be really very creative and innovative in dealing with recruitment on social media. and that the u.s. is having a problem dealing effectively, combatting that. what's going on here. >> to use a term from the world of social media, isis is disrupting the process. al qaeda was the original. they began to use, particularly al qaeda in yemen, began to use the internet to recruit people recruit lone wolfs and countries like the u.s. and elsewhere in europe. we know famously anwar al awlaki was using the internet to reach out to people like nadal hassan the ft. hood shooter. what isis is doing is in a different scale. al qaeda would insist on a long conversation. they would insist on sort of micro managing a terrorist attack. isis is saying to people go and do your own thing. you don't need any instructions from us. go and wreak havoc, sow chaos
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where you can, all we're asking you is to acknowledge before the event you're pledging your allegiance to us. we don't want any sort of close control of what you're doing, go and do it. that's very, very dangerous because it means in the absence of long conversations on-line between let's say a recruiter in isis and potential terrorist in the u.s. it doesn't give the nsa or fbi the opportunity to listen in to catch this conversation half way, and then take action to prevent a terrorist attack which has happened in the past. isis is saying you're free. we don't really need to have a long conversation. >> and it's a fair point, general, because as you know as a result largely of this threat coming in isis other terrorist organizations, al qaeda, affiliates if you will to recruit people on social media, take a look at the united states military in recent days they've gone on a higher state of alert
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at all facility bases across the united states they've already been on a higher state around the world, but already this could be seen as a propaganda victory for isis. >> it could be wolf and i have to completely agree with bobby. he makes a great point. al qaeda was generation x. isis is the millennials. they are depending on social networking. we have to counter -- aggressively counter the on-line narrative because this is the incarnation of the video gaming generation number one, we've got to go against that. we haven't done real well in that category yet. but then the second thing, a great debate going on in congress right now, i heard congresswoman gabbert on your show last night, tare' talking about the patriot act and the baggage associated with that particular legislation is huge but i think there is the potential for taking that 15-year-old act and modernizing it and strengthening it to expose the networks. we can do that now with meta
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data. and i think we have to stake a strong look at not only countering the narrative but also continuing to find ways to expose the networks that isis is using. >> general hertling thank very much. bobby goesh, thanks to you as well. coming up breaking news coming into cnn. u.s. military helicopter is now missing in nepal. we'll have details right after this.
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>> general hertling, thank very
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this is cnn breaking news. >> barbara starr is over at the pentagon and has disturbing information coming in from the u.s. military on what's going on. the u.s. military effort to help people in nepal, barbara, what are you learning? >> a short time ago, the u.s. declared a u.s. marine corps helicopter missing in nepal. there's a good deal we do not know about this situation but here's what we know. it is a uh 1 hughey there may have been 8 military personnel or other aide workers on board. it has gone missing in a remote area of nepal, declared missing are the words that the u.s. pacific command is using. they are calling it an emergency search operations are under way to try and locate this helicopter and the personnel on board who are obviously there as part of a larger military mission to help with earthquake relief. but here's the situation on the ground at this hour.
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it is now dark. searching for this helicopter in these remote areas very tough geography, very tough flying conditions for any other helicopters going into search, they simply can't do it in the dark. they are looking for any sensors coming from this helicopter that will help them locate it. there are two options here. it is possible the helicopter simply made some sort of controlled landing, if you will something happened the pilot had to put down in a remote area and is finding it difficult to undertake communications to get word out as to where they are. if it has turned out to be a crash situation, a u.s. military official telling me they think there would be some kind of locater beacon emerging from the helicopter that would help them find it in the dark but again, what they don't know right now, is with the mountains, with the
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tough geography there, if that beacon is emitting perhaps it is being blocked by a mountain that the helicopter may be near. so you -- we're very aware that u.s. military families marine corps families may be watching this report and distressed to hear that some of their loved ones are on as missing helicopter but the reality is at this hour the pentagon the u.s. military has declared this helicopter missing. they are searching for it and right now, there are no answers about the fate of this helicopter or those on board. wolf? >> and this helicopter this marine helicopter general hertling you're familiar with it. it's a marine light attack helicopter the hughey uh 1 and as barbara points out, eight people can be on board. you're very familiar with this helicopter. we know there are several hundred military personnel helping in the humanitarian mission in nepal right now, but tell us a little bit more about what they're doing? >> well the uh 1 first of all
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is right, that's the marine version of a light utility helicopter. it's called hughey. it has twin engines, upgrading from the old hugheys which many people remember from the vietnam era. they're pretty powerfuls piece of kit for the marine corps. all of what barbara reported is correct. it appears they were helping the relief victims and they do have beacons on board, they have air crew survivability vests they wear that will give off signals, blinking lights but if it landed in a mountainous area a hard landing, they're probably down and can't get over the ridges of the mountain with their communications packages and i think that, you know whereas it may be dark now, they may be sending folks up depending on what the weather conditions are like. any time you get in the mountains you need powerful aircraft. there are about 300 u.s. personnel, combination of the marine expeditionary force out of pacific command but also some
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army special forces soldiers that were in nepal when the earthquake hit, that are continuing to provide relief efforts over the last several weeks. so all these folks are contributing as they always do to humanitarian relief and it's unfortunate that this helicopter did go down. >> we're showing a picture of what the helicopter looks like not the obviously exact helicopter but what that hughey helicopter looks like. we are going to be speaking this hour with the u.s. military commander on the ground in nepal conducting this operation, brigadier general paul kennedy, but unfortunately we have not been able to speak to him probably because of this emergency that's underway we're told that the joint task force personnel are responding to this emergency, a missing u.s. helicopter this marine corps hughey helicopter that could accommodate eight people on board. we'll stay on top of this story for you and get more information. there's other news we're following, includes here in the united states president obama is now 618s days away interest
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we're following the breaking news out of nepal. a u.s. military helicopter is now missing. this is a u.s. marine corps light attack helicopter called a hughey and the military says it went missing, responding to an emergency, as many as eight people could be on board this helicopter. the helicopter according to the pentagon was part of a humanitarian assistance and disaster relief operation in support of the recent nepal earthquakes. another one, another major earthquake a lot more people are dead and injured. the u.s. military has about 300 personnel on the ground in nepal
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helping with this relief operation, this humanitarian operation. we'll get more information, a major investigation is under way there. they're searching for the helicopter. we'll get more information an update you on what's going on. other news we're following in the united states 50 years ago, president lyndon johnson declared the war on poverty and still remains a huge problem in the united states. president obama stressed that point at a poverty summit here in washington. >> i think that we are at a moment in part of what's happened in baltimore and ferguson and other places but in part because a growing awareness of inequality in our society, where it may be possible not only to row focus attention on the issue of poverty, but maybe to bridge some of the gaps. >> all right. let's discuss what's going on with our senior political analyst, editorial director for
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"the national journal" and chief political analyst gloria borger. you have to admit poverty in america, people don't realize how significant it is. why does he decide to raise the issue? >> the first thing the trends have been daunting really in this century under the good economy, in the 1990s under bill clinton the number in poverty declined 7 million, under george w. bush increased by 8 million and under obama another 6 million. we're up. the other thing the issue not only the breadth but the depth. something the president talked about. the areas of concentrated poverty are increasing. look at the data on school kids today, three quarters of african-american kids in public schools, two-thirds of latino attend schools where a majority of their classmates qualify as poor under the guidelines. you see in baltimore and ferguson the consequences the president talked about this a lot, intensive pro poverty.
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>> more and more people on food stamps with young kids wouldn't have food if it weren't for the government giving food stamps out so they could eat. >> the president said class segregation is the new racial segregation. at this point, you know, he mentioned baltimore, he mentioned ferguson at this point in his presidency he's in the final stretch of his presidency here he is first african-american president, talking about income inequality in terms of the middle class, and i think at this point, they're saying you know what and he is saying this is very personal to him because he is from chicago, he grew up in the south side so his, you know, his feeling is you know what i -- this is something i owe it to myself to do and i owe it to my country to do it talk about an issue that isn't going to get any -- win him any popularity contests but it's important in terms of looking at the broader problems we have in this country with race. >> one thing that's interesting about this look forward to
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2016 two republicans in jeb bush and marco rubio in their own ways are comfortable talking ability these issues than the last few republican nominees. jeb bush in his interview yesterday that got a lot of attention with meghan kelly, he really made a forceful critique of liberal approaches and rubio has his own. the democrats will face a -- more of a debate and dialog than they've had in the last few presidential races because there are some republicans who i think more comfortable addressing this. >> john kasich of ohio talks about bringing people out of the shadows as he calls it so they have a government approach to dealing with poverty and you do see it become more bipartisan at this point. >> we're hearing the president and the first lady as they wrap up eight years in the white house, getting more and more personal. we heard the first lady the other day get very personal at that commencement speech at tuskegee university. she is the one who grew up on the south side of chicago. >> sorry. >> he grew up in hawaii. >> he taught in chicago.
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sorry. >> he lived in the south side represented the south side of chicago when he was a politician. >> organized. >> yeah. >> but listen to what he said at georgetown university today because he's increasingly speaking in first person sort of memento moments. listen to this. >> i am a black man who grew up without a father and i know the cost that i paid for that and i also know that i had the capacity to break that cycle and as a consequence, i think my daughters are better off. >> you agree, gloria? he and the first lady are becoming increasingly more personal about some of their private moments? >> some of the most memorable things he's done have to do with my brother's keeper. this is very important to him, this notion of fatherless young men, growing up in poverty, cycle of poverty repeating itself crime as a result. this is something he clearly cares about. you see him sitting at
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georgetown today, more professorial more relaxed, not a huge speech setting. >> correcting bob putnam about the experience of oofrp african-americans in 1960s. >> we know his library is going to chicago. you're seeing the barack obama that in many ways was afraid to kind of tip toe out a little bit during the first term. he had huge things he needed to get done. health care reform. he couldn't afford to discontract in any way. >> an economy near disaster. >> one interesting thing about the comments a lot of ways most ways president obama is different than bill clinton in his approach to politics but on this issue he talked about one of the things he said we don't need an either or, we need a both and conversation. talks a about taking responsibility from your actions, criticisms from the left in the african-american community and defending himself saying it is appropriate to talk about kind of people stepping up and doing the right thing, but also to talk about the kind of communal responsibility.
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he had a pointed line he said there are 25 hedge fund managers in america that make more than all kinder garten teachers combined. he was tough in defending the activist government and the idea that you can demand individual responsibility as you talk about that. >> all right. we will continue, obviously, this conversation down the road. gloria and ron, thank you. we're also getting a rare glimpse into the north korean dictator kim jong-un's regime. a defector is revealing what kim jong-un has done even to his own family to hold on to power. that report is next. out of 42 vehicles based on 6 different criteria, why did a panel of 11 automotive experts name the volkswagen golf motor trend's 2015 car of the year? we'll give you four good reasons. the volkswagen golf. starting at $19,295, there's an award-winning golf for everyone.
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in an exclusive interview, a north korean detection for-- director has revealed kim jong-un plans to hold on to power at any cost not even his own family they say is safe. here's cnn's paula hancocks. >> reporter: being part of the family is not enough to save your life in north korea. arrested tried, and executed in less than a week the brutal demise of kim jong-un's uncle shocked the world in 2013. cnn has learned the leader's aunt the wife of chan may have suffered the same fate. this man is believed to be the highest level official to escape north korea in years. we're hiding his identity and calling him pak to protect his
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friends and family in pyongyang. in his first-ever interview, he tells us that he believes the woman was poisoned on orders of kim jong-un. he was furious after her husband's death, he says. she disappeared from view, guards surrounded her home. she spent month expressing her anger. the late leader, kim jong-il, gave her sister significant power. she and her husband were handpicked to guide his son in early years, but the leader soon decided he did not want their help. on may 5th or 6th of last year pak says kim jong-un ordered her to be killed. only her bodyguard unit knew this. now senior officials also know she was poisoned. as for his uncle, publicly kim jong-un calls him scum and said he was trying to overthrow the government. park says the issues began with the defection of the economy.
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he said kim jong-un wanted to build a ski resort and water park. chang, the uncle, wanted to rebuild the economy first. that is where the friction began. park says the skew resort is effectively what signed chang's death warrant. he was allegedly executed in an underground secret room according to park. few know exactly how he died. he tells us chang's aides were killed far more publicly. his aides were executed he says not with an ordinary gun but by four-barrel machine guns. much of what he tells us cannot be independently confirmed. north korea is one of the most closed and repressive societies in the world. park paints a picture of a brutal dictator whose actions have shocked even the north korean elight. a young man -- elite. a young man willing to kill family members in f they don't see eye to eye. cnn, seoul. >> thank you very much. that's it for me. i'll be back 5:00 p.m. eastern
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later today in "the situation room." we'll have more what's going on in north korea. for our international viewers "amanpour" is next. for our viewers here in north america, "newsroom with brooke baldwin" will start right after a quick break.
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you're watching cnn, i'm brooke baldwin. thank you very much for being with me. just a quick heads up. shortly live during the show, we will learn whether or not a police officer will be charged in the shooting death of an unarmed teenager in wisconsin. tensions have been building in this particular community for weeks and weeks now as the protesters and tony robinson's family are demanding answers. today, they will be getting them. a family, community, police department on edge awaiting the announcement. first, we begin with nepal. something now that's unthinkable, the country already in ruins, hit with another monster earthquake. a 7.3-magnitude quake striking some nine miles deep this time near the border along the border with china. at least 68 dead, more than 1,200 injured. all this happen inging three w