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still to konl i think that pattern will continue. >> thank you very much panel. we appreciate it. do the breaking news from cleveland. we were unable to bring our piece to you on arlington national cemetery. it will air in the noon hour. i'm jim acosta in washington. fareed zakaria, "gps" starts right now. >> this is gps, the global public scarequare. welcome to all of you in the united states and around the world. we'll start with a world-class panel to discuss the world's many crises. isis advances in iraq and syria. europe's military action to stop migrants coming into the could be tinnant. china's push forward in the south china seas and america's role in all of it.
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also bill gates, elon musk and stephen hawking are all warning that computers could get too smart. but are the dangers of artificial intelligence being overblown? i'll talk to a real expert. and bernie sanders proposed free college for all in the united states. could it ever work? probably not, but there is another solution that could. then a call for civil disobedience not for civil rights or social justice. the ever-controversial charles murray will lay out his case. don't miss this one. but first here is "my take." on monday the rightdavid cameron gave his first speech after being re-elected to his high office.
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confronting a world of challenges from greece's possible exit from the euro a massive migration crisis on europe's shores ukraine's perilous state, russia's continued intransigence, the advance of isis the continuing chaos in the middle east. cameron chose to talk about a plan to ensure that hospitals in the uk would be better staffed on weekends. okay. that's a bit unfair. leaders everywhere including in the united states understand that all politics is local, but spending a few days in britain last week, i was struck by just how parochial it has become. after an extraordinary 300-year run, great britain has essentially resigned as a global power. over the next few years, britain's army will shrink to somewhere around 80,000. a report from the royal united services institute predicts that the number could get as low as 50,000 which the daily
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telegraph points out would be smaller than at any point since the 1770s. david rothkoff notes it would mean great britain's army would be about the same size as the new york police department. no wonder then that britain has become a minor, reluctant ally in the air strikes against isis. its 30--year-old tornado fleet of planes is a generation behind the american planes the f-22s that it flies alongside. the royal navy that once ruled the waves no longer operates a single aircraft carrier, though they do have two under construction. a similar story is true of other elements of britain's global influence. in cameron's first term the foreign office budget has been cut by more than a quarter and further cuts are likely. theb bc world service, perhaps the most influential arm of the country's global public diplomacy, has shuttered five of its foreign language broadcasts and the entire organization has
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seen its budget slashed with more cuts probably to come. why does this matter? because on almost all global issues britain has a voice that is intelligent, engaged, and forward looking. it wants to strengthen and uphold today's international system one based on the free flow of ideas, goods, and services around the world, one that promotes individual rights and the rule of law. this is not an accident. britain essentially created the world we live in. in his excellent book "god and gold" walter russell meade points out in the 16th century, many countries were poised to advance economically and politically. the hans yachtic league the low countries, france spain, but britain managed to edge out the others becoming the first great industrial economy and the modern world's first super power. it colonized and shaped countries and cultures from australia to india to africa to
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the western hemisphere of course, including its settlements in new york america. had spain or germany become the world's leading power, things would look very different today. there is a paradox readily apparent to visitors to the uk. london continues to thrive as a global hub, increasingly cosmopolitan and worldly. more than a third of londoners were born outside the united kingdom, and this government has been more than willing to travel around the world petitioning for investment in the city whether it be chinese, russian, or arab. that's fine as a strategy for an aspiring safe haven, but britain is not luxembourg. it is even now a great global power with the talent history, and capacity to shape the international order, which is why the inward turn of the united kingdom is a tragedy not just for them but for all of us. for more go to cnn.com/fareed
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and read my "washington post" column this week. and let's get started. we have a lot to talk about with a terrific panel, so let's get right to it. ian bremer is the president of the ewe ray sha group, a political risk consultant. the author of "super power: three choices for america's role in the world." danielle plet ka is from the american enterprise institute. david miliband was britain's last labor foreign minister. he's now the president and ceo of the international rescue committee. and yes, i diddon rose is the editor of foreign affairs and once worked in the clinton national security council. david, you have been to iraq and to lebanon recently, in the last few months. when you hear these stories about isis now being able to take over another town in syria,
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take over ramadi what do you think? >> two things really come to mind. the first was said to me across all sections of iraqi society. i was in the kurdish region at the time and they said very clearly tem the choice for sunni communities is between ex-baathists and isis and the absence of a legitimate sunni representation that really commands confidence in the sunni communities is debilitating the fight against isis. the second thing obviously is as the syria war goes on the choices get worse and the dangers of inaction get clearer and clearer. >> the third aspect is the sunni community does not trust at all what they regard as the shiite government in baghdad. >> i think what you're seeing here is that isis' success is not just a tribute to its own abilities, but to the fact that it's an opportunistic infection on a body politic both in syria and iraq with severely promised
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immune systems. the really problem is not isis it's the lack of any kind of political order in which a competent, aggressive radical group like isis can make such headway. until we fix that larger political problem, we're not going able to stop isis. the real question is do we want to or are we able to really address the larger problem of political order in iraq and syria? >> danielle this is a great sectarian struggle. we tried in iraq. we spent ten years. we hand picked the government and the sectarianism bubbled through and is essentially destroying the country. should we really try again in syria? >> it seems to me so dreadfully unfire suggest, first of all, that we failed terribly in iraq. when we left iraq in 2011 we were not failing. there was comity not perfect, but between the shia and the sunni and the shia and shoeunni have lived in the middle east for a long time. in their tiff,-- this narrative is
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detrimental to our interests. gideon says we can't fix it and, of course it's answer is well no we can't fix it but we have a stake in the solution and that's the challenge for us. when people say to me oh they've been fighting for a millennia. a, they haven't been fighting for a millennia. b, we care even if we don't care about the hundreds of thousands of people who are dying around the region being tortured being raped, are being kidnapped, are being solgd, even if we don't care at all about that as americans, we still care about the fact groups like isis, al qaeda, al qaeda in the arabian peninsula, al nusra which is benefiting in syria, is rising up. ultimately they come for us. >> do we care ian bremer? you have a new book but also a
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"time international" cover store in which you poll americans as to whether they want to go around fixing the world's problems and what are the results? >> well the good news is that there really is space for a debate here that americans are all over the map in terms of whether they believe we need to live up to our values be more of a global policeman, lead if otherwise there would be a vacuum and thos that want to pull out. but there's a problem here. there's a huge generational divide. the younger you get, the more you have americans saying we do not want to touch these things and the problem you have is that the candidates while they are at least starting to really debate some of the foreign policy issues in way that in 2012 the election really didn't the willingness to actually stand up and talk about the costs, talk about what would be required to truly take a leadership role in helping to build a coalition, fix the iraqi army defeat isis the same people are saying we must defeat isis are saying absolutely no boots on the ground and that just does not stand.
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>> but the problem with the independent america, quote, unquote, thesis that ian in the end supports is that you may not want to have anything to do with them, but they'll end up having something to do with you. and in an interdependent world, remember more than 50 years since jfk declared interdependence, the idea that america can have the blessings of globalization but none of the burdens does not add up. and i think that's the real choice that america faces because it cannot enjoy all the fruits of being a leader of the global economy, including economic but not only that without bearing those burdens unless there is leadership from america for a rules-based international system then you will have a vacuum. when you have a vacuum you have danger. that's the simple -- i do admit i feel passionately about this because seven beneficiaries of our services lost their lives outside italy and so the consequences of inaction the consequences of the vacuum are that people we're serving are having their funerals today and
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that really speaks to very very deep american values as well as interests. >> let's just talk about where that vacuum hits though. there's no question that it's a much worse world order if no one is providing that leadership and the americans are best situated to do so. but the fact of the matter is that isis is a much greater threat in the region, a much greater threat to europe than the united states. the americans are the ones with the energy production they're less interested in these things. the americans are not being affected by the refugee crisis in a way that the turks the jordanians the lebanese the europeans are, and, frankly, the willingness of the saudis and others in the community to not only send their boys to war but also to be willing to say we've got a problem with radical islam within our countries and we have to actually deal with that. we have to cut off these clerics. if they're not prepared to do it i'm just saying you have a much harder argument to make. i agree with you, but if you don't have a credible decision by an american leader that's really going to give you that kind of outcome, then the least you can do is not lie about it.
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>> danielle isn't that fair that this is first and foremost an arab problem. the arabs should be taking care of this. >> as i said before we can posit, we don't care about these arabs, we don't care about your guys in italy. okay. fair enough. i'm sure seven people were killed in new york state as well. that is the challenge here is to understand that even if you want to profess indifference callous indifference to what's happening and say isis is an arab problem, even the sunni/shia is a muslim problem, each time to comes back to bite us. >> we will have to switch gears when we come back because another big issue people have been talking about has been the british elections. there is an argument that the labor party moved too far left which is one of the reasons why it last it did that under one ed miliband. i'm going to ask his brother, david miliband whether he will take over the reins of the labor party when we come back. moment, thinking about people?
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another big issue people have party when we come back.
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labor party moved too far left and we are back with ian bremer danielle pletka david miliband and gideon rose. right after the british elections elections, j.k. rowling tweeted i wonder what david miliband is thinking of these elections. tell j.k. rowling, did the labor party under your brother who won narrowly in a contested labor party race for leadership against you, did he take the party too far left? >> i think he bet and the party bet that this was an economic change election and, in fact it was an economic security election and at some level it's relatively straightforward what happened. there's many layers to it. in scotland obviously you can see political fragmentation of a very serious kind.
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the rise of the scottish national party, but essentially economic security was the key argument and economic risk was the danger that labor failed to mitigate. >> is that good nution or bad news for hillary clinton? she presumably will be the candidate of economic security and a degree of continuity. >> this is a lesson for hillary clinton if you want. she's tacking very far to the left. she's nervous about her left flank in the country. she recognizes who exactly is going to turn out, who is going to be energized, and so she's taking a series of positions that are rather different from the hillary of i don't know last year and i think that's very fraught with risk for her actually because at the end of the day people do value security and i think they also value a genuineness in a candidate who isn't sort of john kerry style flip flouping around based on what they think is going to win them the next primary. >> you were just in asia what are you hearing in terms of concerns about china? it does seem as though china's
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flexing its muscle in the south china seas but tame aggressively courting india, trying to present itself as the kind of inevitable economic super power of the region. >> one interesting point tied to the hillary question is when you go around the world and ask you who they want to be the next leader, you know elites everywhere are saying we're happy with hillary, not chinese leadership. they didn't like the pivot to asia. they didn't like hillary's containment consents the way they perceived it. it will be interesting when we started talking about foreign policy for 2016 but there's no question china is the one country in the world that actually today has a global strategy. not the united states. the fact that they are creating all of these institutions like the brics bank they're planning to spend over a trillion dollars both on infrastructure and equities to align other countries economically toward the chinese long term. the americans have not had a response to that and i think that unnerves a lot of american allies in the region who unlike
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a lot of other countries like britain really want to see a lot more america in their part of the world and they're not getting it. the british election was not about let's talk about european leadership. it wasn't about the world. in asia modi's india, abe's japan, they're quite concerned that the united states is not consistent and is not ultimately committed to them and i think that's an interesting challenge. >> which is why the united states simply has to has to pass not just trade promotion authority but the transpacific partnership to show that it is not a wall that it actually cares about maintaining and reviving the liberal international order and sustaining it that it has created and benefited from. >> presumeablypresumably this is also the reason we can't get overly involved with the middle east. >> the problem with the pivot is we didn't do enough of it and we didn't back it up and we managed to get trapped into backward-looking olive tree conflicts rather than forward-looking lexus concepts to use tom freedman's old terms.
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>> in your dealings as foreign minister, what was your sense of the chinese? do you think they are trying to kind of upend the international order? >> no i think they've studied very carefully the history of how hegemonic powers have declinened and rising powers have gained. they worry actually about what american quote, unquote, dexlin is going to mean and i'm actually a strong supporter of the asian pivot, one of the last ones and i think it should have been done with europe. >> you can't pivot if the middle east is on fire. europe certainly can't pivot if in fact thousands and thousands of refugees are arriving streaming through italy which is taking more than 40% of these boat people. you can't ignore it. at the same time you've got to have the bandwidth and we in the united states don't have the military resources. the real tragedy behind the pivot is even if we wanted to even if we had the will, even if the middle east wasn't on fire we don't any longer have the necessary resources to put
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towards a fully resourced pivot in asia. >> we're spending 70% of nato -- if we don't have the resources, nobody has the resources. >> that's exactly right. >> i don't buy that. i think the problem is one, less of resources and actual capabilities than of will and attention and the fact that sort of in effect we take for granted not just the benigness of the american order and recognition of that but also the persistence of it and americans have a sort of imperial privilege that they need to check, and they need to make clear to the rest of the world that this order is good it benefits the united states and the snorldworld, and it's going to be going forward for generations to come not just generations in the past. >> i think we're capable. 37% of the world's defense budget spent by the united states but the problem is the pivot to asia was run by hillary clinton, by tim geithner by a series of folks that did asia. tom donlnell and others. john kerry is not an asia guy.
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that's a fireable offense in my experience. if you don't have leaders that will engage in consistency with a president that really cares that strategy matters, then the result you will get is people saying you can't do this stuff. >> may i have at you both for one second on the defense budget. you know you need to understand that we are spending a smaller and smaller part of a smaller and smaller pie so the notion that we're spending any particular percentage needs to understand the pie is much smaller. we spend 50% of our defense budget on personnel. we don't have the carriers. we don't have the attack ships. we don't have the refueling capabilities. we don't have the new technology that we need to actually be in asia in the way we need to to contend in the middle east as well. >> the military budget is becoming like the budget of all american institutions which is largely devoted to pensions and health care. >> well said. >> with a small appendage at the
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end. we have to stop. thank you all very much. wonderful conversation. we'll do it again. up next germany offers a free college education to anyone who qualifies. bernie sanders says the united states should do the same. we'll see if that makes any sense. ) mmm, this beneful healthy weight is so good... i mean how can this be low- calorie? how is that even possible? an' i feel good... lean, strong... ...ah...you're gonna find out just how strong when we wrestle. look at you, you have no idea what's coming. come on... ...make your move. (vo) beneful healthy weight, a delicious, low-calorie meal your dog will love. with wholesome rice, real chicken, and accents of vegetables and apples. beneful. healthy with a side of happy.
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now, for our "what in the world segment." this week the vermont senator and presidential candidate bernie sanders introduced a bill that would make four-year public colleges and universities tuition-free. >> it is a national disgrace that hundreds of thousands of young americans do not go to college not because they are unqualified but simply because they cannot afford it. >> the cost of college in america has skyrocketed to more than 13 times what it cost in 1978 far outpacing inflation and even health care costs as bloomberg points out. student loan debt is now over $1 trillion and it has more than tripled in the past decade. other countries like germany and denmark are offering free college education for all sanders says so why can't the
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united states? take germany, for instance. students can get a free education at any of the country's public universities some of which are among the best in the world. even foreigners don't have to pay tuition. there were almost 200,000 foreign students enjoying a tuition-free and debt-free deutscheland education in 2012 including over 4,000 americans. how on earth can the germans afford all of this? mainly through high taxes, though the concept of college in germany is more bare bones in some ways compared to the united states. the four-year full-service residential college experience with a range of extracurricular activities is an anglo american idea. as rebecca schuman has pointed out on slate, german universities don't have billion dollar student union buildings or huge sports facilities like their american counterparts. and there isn't much in the way of student housing since a lot of german students commute to school.
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there's also less academic advising in germany, a more hands-off approach with students schuman says. so you can get a prestigious degree for free at a german university but the experience might not match the vibrant, dlab ra tiff wide ranging experience that one can get on an american college campus. but is there a smarter way to help expand access to the american style of higher education? michael crow the president of arizona state university for the last 13 years, has some very interesting ideas in his recent book. he's hoping to bring quality education to the masses like never before in the 21st century. similar to how california state universities changes education in the 20th century. crow has allowed a lot more students to enroll at arizona state giving access to those who normally wouldn't go to college. to help meet all that new demand at reasonable cost he's supplementing classroom teaching with smart uses of technology like the online e adviser system
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where students can plan out their education and view a dashboard that tracks their progress in realtime. thanks in part to that technology crow says the school's four-year graduation rate went up 20% between 2002 and 2010. arizona state is also offering a full set of courses online so that students who can't make it to campus aren't excluded. the online revolution in education has just begun. the courses and experience are going to get much better and data analysis will allow educators to better customize each student's individual experience. in a way, there are probably two paths to solving america's education cost crisis. the first, sanders relies on government to somehow foot the bills or rein in the costs. the second relies on technology to produce innovation efficiency and transformation. my bet is on technology but it won't be enough.
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it's still very important for state governments to fund state universities which are the real highways to the middle class in america. state funding has been declining for decades, and it's still way down years after the recession. technology won't solve that problem. only politics can. next on "gps," elon musk bill gates, and stephen hawking. it's tough to find three smarter guys and they're all issuing dire warnings about something they say could be disastrous for human life as we know it. what is it? i will tell you when we come back. if you're taking multiple medications does your mouth often feel dry? a dry mouth can be a side effect of many medications. but it can also lead to tooth decay and bad breath. that's why there's biotene available as an oral rinse toothpaste, spray or gel. biotene can provide soothing relief and it helps keep your mouth healthy too. remember, while your medication is doing you good a dry mouth isn't biotene, for people who suffer from a dry mouth.
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stephen hawking told the bbc it its development could spell the end of the human race. elon musk said it was our biggest existential threat. big gates says it's a huge challenge. when three people that smart are that worried, i'd perk up. so what are they concerned about?
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artificial intelligence computers growing past the point where humans can control them. now, there have been amazing advances in so-called ai in recent years. ibm's watson winning jeopardy was just the start. now mit professor andrew mcafee says watson will soon be the world's best medical diagnose stition. google and others have their self-driving cars. that all sounds benign so what are all those smart guys worried about? well who knows what form the threat from ai would take, but over the years movies have given us some out there ideas. there was hall the computer in "2001: a space odd si" of who kills all but one astronaut. and then there was sky net in "the terminator" hell bent on eliminating the entire human race. will fiction become fact? i asked jeff hawkens to come answer that.
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he is the chairman of the board of the redwood neuroscience institute which hopes to understand human cognition and apply that to computers. jeff pleasure to have you on. >> it's a pleasure to be here fareed. >> so what do you make of this debate and what is your response to people like stephen hawking and elon musk who say this is the thing we should be the most scared of going forward in this sort of brave new world of technology. >> i don't think there's a real threat here at least not in any time in the foreseeable future and the fears that are coming out are a bit more related to science tucks and popular culture than the real science and technology. there's a couple of basic concerns people have but i think one of the core things that people think about is they think intelligent machines will be like human. they imagine them being like you and i and doing our jobs and having faces and having emotions. >> and having the same kind of desire for, frankly, control and domination -- >> yes. >> and you say no.
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why? >> because if we were to recreate humans if that was possible then that might be a threat but machine intelligence is not about that. >> the concern is let's be clear, the machines will keep learning and learning and they'll get smarter than us and people's evidence for that is ibm's deep blue or watson that they can now beat the smartest human being at chess or jeopardy or whatever. >> we already live in a world like that. everybody is smarter than somebody else in something. >> so we have expertise. you're smart about international politics and i'm probably smart about brains. and we're comfortable with that right? and this fear though there is a fear that somehow a machine that gets intelligent will somehow get more intelligent and make new machines and there will be an idea called a runaway intelligence explosion. this is nonsense. brains take a long time to train. you don't just be born intelligent. you have a raw capability.
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we have to go through school for many many years. what we become intelligent about is what we're trained on. intelligent machines are not some god-like thing that becomes instantly intelligent. so the real question we want to ask ourselves, is there some existential threat is the term elon musk used, a threat to the existence of humanity that something we're doing today that we couldn't undo. and the answer is no. not even close. maybe 50 or 100 years from now we might have another problem or maybe 30 years we might think about it. but are we doing anything today that's dangerous that we should step back and go we shouldn't do that? i can't see it at all. it's like we're building machines just like computers and they learn and it's not like human-like at all. >> what's the big benefit to the world? >> this is almost an impossible question to answer. if you asked in the 1940s you asked the people building computers what were going to be the benefit of building
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computers, they would say we can build math tables and -- >> which is what they were built for, world war ii rockets. >> and they first became commercially exciting when ibm adopted it for business finance and accounting. we're going to go through the same learning experience now. it's easy to say we can apply intelligent machines to the world's data problem. we're awash in data and we can't have people looking at all the data whether it's medical data security data. there's a ton and ton of data and we need machines to sort through them and look at them as a human would and say i see the patterns i see what's going on this is how we should act upon it. that certainly will happen. where it goes beyond that is really hard to say. i have my dreams about it but we're going to have to see how it plays out. >> jeff hawkins, pleasure to have you on. >> it was a pleasure fareed. thank you. >> up next the u.s. federal code of regulations is over 170,000 pages long.
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is that statistic alone enough to make your blood boil to make you want to rise up against your government? well that's what it does for my next guest. the provocative charles murray. flex and it's got the spring and bounce of a traditional mattress. you sink into it, but you can still move it around. now that i have a tempur-flex, i can finally get a good night's sleep. when i flop down on the bed, and it's just like, 'ah, this is perfect." wherever you put your body it just supports you. like little support elfs are just holding you. i can sleep now! through the night! (vo) change your sleep. change your life. change to tempur-pedic. why do we do it? why do we spend every waking moment, thinking about people? why are we so committed to keeping you connected? why combine performance with a conscience? why innovate for a future without accidents? why do any of it? why do all of it? because if it matters to you it's everything to us. the xc60 crossover. from volvo.
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july 4th will mark 239 years since the declaration of independence and my next guest says it's time for a new declaration against the government a declaration of resistance he calls it. he wants american citizens to rise up in protest of their government's ways. why? it's not for the reasons you probably think, but i will let him explain. charles murray is the author of such provocative, trofer sham books as "the bell curve" and "coming apart." his new book is called "by the people:s rebuilding liberty without permission." so what is the great cause you
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want people to rise up in rebellion against? >> ordinary people can't live their lives as they see fit anymore. they live under a constant presumption that they need permission so that if it's somebody trying to run a small business or a family building a deck behind the house or a community trying to get a new playground for their kids they constantly have the government coming up and saying no you can't do this you have to do it that way. we're going to fine you 5$5,000 for that. i'm not so worried about the big corporations and i don't want to get rid of the reg lationzs that are important and necessary, but the lice of people are being constantly impeded by stupid, pointless regulations. that's the thing i want to do something. >> the number of regulations you point out has grown astronomically. >> if you want to talk about the total pages in the federal code of regulations, year up to 175,000 pages now. and that's not as telling to me fareed as what happens if you go out and just ask somebody who
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runs a small business. how does regulation affect your life? and the answer you're going to get is it makes my life miserable. >> so since the 1940s with this regulatory state rising the united states has become the richest, most dynamic, most technological advanced country in the hit of the world. secondly i look at our lives and we have cleaner air, safer coal mines, cleaner water. >> what's the big deal then? >> what's the big deal? >> look, point number one, i am in favor of regulations that take smokestacks boiling out noxious smoke and regulating the hell out of them. that's fine with me. coal mines safer, that's fine with me, too. >> is there a way to get the good regulations without the bad. you point out for example, it makes sense you should have some rules about stairways so that people don't fall off, that there should be some kind of railing. >> there should be a railing
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there. >> but there's a regulation that says if the railing is 42 inches high, you will be fined as per osha regulation 1910.23e. how do you avoid that but still have safe coal mines? >> that's where you have come to my proposal which is to say that you have a way to find back and i put it in terms of legal defense funds. and these are not legal defense funds that just defend the innocent. they defend people who are technically guilty of violating a pointless regulation and, again, this is a fund for ordinary people. it's not for big corporations. so what happens is you are being harassed by a bureaucrat for silly reasons. the defense fund says the bureaucrat, we are taking this person's case. it will not cost them a penny. we will litigate it to the max. we're going to make as much work for you as we can, and when you finally find that he was in violation and fine him we're going to reimburse the fine and i want this done not with one or
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two cases. i want it done with hundreds. i'm talking about a large fund. >> to put it in terms i think an average person can understand suppose you're speeding on an open stretch of highway, you're going eight miles above the limit you point out, i'm taking this as your example, and you say the cop pulls you over. almost certainly he's doing it or she's doing it because they need to reach their quota or the county needs a little bit more money and they have been told go out and write some tickets because your argument is there is no harm done in that kind of slight irregularity. you would then fight back. >> let me give you -- let me extend the analogy. the only time you get picked up if you're going five miles over the speed limit is if you're on a deserted stretch of highway. then they might do that. if you're on an ordinary interstate 70% of the people are going 6 miles over the speed limit. at that point the state troopers do not pull you over they only pull over the people going crazy
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fast or driving erratically. they wait until there is an actual harm done and, fareed that is my whole goal not to wipe regulations off the books, but to drag the bureaucrats kicking and screaming into a common sense enforcement where they have to marshal their resources against case where is real harm has been done and when no real harm has been done ignore it. >> always a pleasure to have you on. >> thank you. >> next this weekend is the unofficial start of summer at least in the united states. it's the season when many people's minds turn to travel. you probably would like to go somewhere where you are unlikely to be killed right? if that's the case stick around. i will tell you exactly where you should go in a moment.
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jordan or brunei. stay tuned and we'll tell you the correct answer. this week have the last time i will remind you my new book is just out and perfectly timed for graduation season. "in defense of a liberal education," it's basically my thoughts about what kind of skills you need to prosper in today's world both in terms of your career but also in terms of your life. so buy it gift it above all, read it. and now for "the last look." have you ever spun a globe, closed your eyes and dropped your finger promising to visit whatever faraway place it might land on? well a new interactive map let's you do that digitally, though this globe may tell you where not to go. the web-based map curtsy of the brazilian security think tank shows homicide rates around the world. want to go to a country with a very low homicide rate? try monaco, liechtenstein, or
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singapore. according to the organization's most recent data just ten countries account for 58% of the world's homicides. nine of these may not be all that surprising brazil india, nigeria, mexico the democratic republic of congo, south africa venezuela, colombia and pakistan but can you guess the last? it is the united states which is the world's deadliest western democracy as the global post pointed out. as of now, the u.s. homicide rate is comparable to that of yemen, but before you book a vacation to yemen, keep in mind this measures homicides, not war casualties. now, not all middle eastern countries have rates as high as yemen. the rates for lebanon and the united arab emirates are roughly half as high as that of the united states. and rates in kuwait bahrain, and saudi arabia are much lower still. fancy a trip to north africa? go for it. according to this map, libya,
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egypt, ewe knee sha, algeria and morocco have rates lower than that of the usa. so the next time you worry about going to cairo or algiers, remember you are statistically less likely to be murdered in those places than in new york city a reg tiffly safe city in this country. the correct answer to the "gps" challenge question is "d." 2.2% of the small nation of brunei is on active duty according to the world bank's most recent data. that's relatively high for a country with no mandatory conscription. 1.8% of jordan's population is actively serving. while just 0.2% of india's vast population is on active duty in their military. the united states currently has about 1.4 million people serving in the armed forces or 0.5% of the population. there are, in addition roughly 22 million military veterans in the u.s. which means more than 7% of all americans alive today
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have served in the military as 538 pointed out. to those who have served and are currently serving, we honor you and, of course we remember and honor those who made the ultimate sacrifice this memorial day weekend. thanks to all of you for being part of my program this week. i will see you next week. is fox news actually bad for the gop? a conservative heavyweight says it's guilty of self-brainwashing republican voters. and behind the scenes of the george stephanopoulos donations controversy. does the website that broke the news have more to come? plus my in-depth interview with legendary cbs newsman bob schieffer before he faces the nation one last time. good morning. it's time for "reliable sources sources." i'm brian stelter in washington. i'm starting with a question that matters