tv Legal View With Ashleigh Banfield CNN August 13, 2015 9:00am-10:01am PDT
9:00 p.m. let's keep this music going while we finish the show. thank you for joining us. "legal view" with ashleigh ban felled starts right now. >> whoa! >> what the -- >> holy [ bleep ]! the fire still burning. hundreds of people in the hospital after back-to-back chemical explosions so huge, they were visible from space and shook the ground like an earthquake in a city of 13 million people. also ahead, three more cosby accusers coming forward yet again with some disturbing details unlike any we've heard before. and some that sound all too
familiar. and donald trump says she'll be a great first lady. meet the former model and current mrs. trump, businesswoman and mom who is ready to make her mark in the white house. i'm ashleigh banfield. welcome to "legal view." fair play may be a rare sight. every four years politics comes to the fair. a deep fried slice no one dare miss out on. it starts today and while it's hard to take one's eyes off of the rise and the foods and the shows and the crazy, 600 pounds of butter, yes, i said a cow entirely made of butter.
i do want to direct your attention instead. listeners afforded the same privilege. last hour mike huckabee became the first of at least 14 gop candidates expected to take this soapbox stage over the next ten days. four of the five democratic candidates are planning to be there, too. hillary clinton has a plan to tu tour the fair saturday. she's going to skip the soapbox. and then there's vice president joe biden, "the wall street journal" says joe biden is using part of his vacation this week to sound out friends and family on whether he should make one more run for the very top job. democrats by and large seem to be divided. a new poll showing 45% want biden to run but 47% don't.
i'll bring in sarah murray. nia-malika, at least one thinks joe biden's time has passed. listen to what howard dean told the "today" show. >> i have a lot of respect for joe biden. he's been a terrific vice president. the problem is that joe biden is a very good guy and no appeal whatsoever to people under 35. people under 35 elected barack obama. that is a key part of the coalition along with latinos and african-americans and asian-americans. so i think it makes sense to have a candidate, and i think hillary is one, bernie another, who really can turn on the under 35 set. and i think that would be a problem for joe. >> i don't know if that's relatability or ageism. >> it doesn't make sense. he says people under 35 elected
barack obama. will they also elect joe biden as well? i think he is getting a larger issue this idea but where does joe biden fit in at this point? how does joe biden make a case that he can come in and chip away at what hillary clinton is already able to do in terms of connecting with those voters. i will say this, it is interesting, and i think notable, that he is trying to decide this in south carolina because that would be the state where i think hillary clinton really could start to do well. african-americans are down there. it was a state that was very important to barack obama's rise to prominence in 2008 and overtaking hillary clinton in that race in 2008. i'm told that there's a lot of buzz down there, a lot of love for joe biden particularly among african-americans in south carolina.
he's using the latter part of the week to talk to folks down there who love him. people are very high up in the african-american community down there, reverends and people on the state legislature. if he's going to decide, i think south carolina will be a key state and a key metric for him to go by to figure out if he could run against hillary clinton, chip away at some of her support. >> i love deep fried butter and that's one of the big things at the iowa state fair that starts today. sarah, in an iowa state of mind. some polling cnn has just completed so we can have a frame of reference to talk about. we're less than six months away from the iowa caucuses. and cnn is weighing in on where people are right now. but i always wonder, gosh, with six months to go, should we even be doing this, even have these parlor games? here's the republicans and how they shake out with the iowa
caucus goers, likely iowa caucus goers. but then if you continue moving down those numbers on our prime page you don't even get jeb bush. and you don't even get some of the folks weighing in much higher before the debate. how many people are decided at this point this early on in iowa? they may answer the questions. how many are really decided? >> like you said, this is a snapshot in time right now and we're still far out. because we're so far out and there are so many candidates most likely caucus goers in iowa still aren't sure who they're going to vote for. two-thirds said they have not made up their mind about a candidate. so when we see this snapshot, we see donald trump on top, other candidates who don't have washington experience who aren't professional politicians, we see them rising to the top very early. but we've also seen this in the past in iowa. remember, mitt romney ended up coming in second in iowa in 2012. he lost by just eight votes and
people were lamenting his status in the polls. it takes a while for these establishment candidates to come around and to start rising, so i don't think it's that big of a surprise to see some of the candidates that we would have thought of as long shots leading in the polls there right now. >> i want you to talk about john kasich, if you can, because he skyrocketed. he squeaked into that debate and it was questionable by some people's standards whether he should have been in the debate in favor of rick perry. and then all of a sudden shot up to the top of the polls in new hampshire. but in the iowa polling, he barely even registering. why such a discrepancy? >> different states. it's a different constituency. a different base of voters. he's a better fit, in terms of ads, he has top republicans who have come out to support him and back his candidacy. so that's where he is staking his capped daes like chris
christie. a lot of people are betting on new hampshire. so it's not exactly a surprise he's not doing so well in iowa, much more socially conservative, a lot of home schoolers there, sort of the culture issues are much more important to both there. and if you look at kasich's record, it's very different in terms of expanding medicaid. he's done things that don't sit well with the kind of voters that will be caucusing in iowa. >> we'll have the same conversation only entirely different next week. thank you. i always love having you. cnn will host three republican debates, the first one taking place in september. then in october cnn will host the first democratic presidential debate, so stay with us here on cnn for the latest on the race for the white house. coming up next, a chemical explosion so massive, this thing was visible from space. how much damage did it do to a city where 1 3 million people live and can they even get close
containers that caught fire and then exploded last night in the port city of tianjin. the shock waves blew out windows and doors, get this, a mile and a half away from the site of the explosion. 12 of the people now registered as dead were firefighters. more than 500 people are hurt at this most early count and are being treated in hospitals there. officials have called off the efforts, though, to stop the fire. this happening just a couple hours ago. they just don't know what it is that's burning. and how dangerous it is to be close by that inferno. cnn's will rippley is there and has more. >> reporter: when you look around at all the devastation here, it's really remarkable. one, just all of the damage that was done to this convention center building, the windows smashed in, the doors smashed in as well. take a look at this car. it clearly caught fire. the windows smashed. it's crumpled to bits. and we are standing two
kilometers from the blast site. we're not even close to the epicenter. that gives you a sense just how strong this was and how scary this was for the 15 million people who live here in tianjin when they were jolted out of bed overnight. a lot of people in those apartment blocks we visited earlier and many of those windows are smashed. there's shards of glass piled up on the ground and people were running outside in a panic. they didn't have time to put on their shoes. they were barefoot going through this. and that's why we see so many people, hundreds of people in the hospital, a lot of them with cuts because of all the brokenen glass. you can see there are helicopters in the air flying overhead and looking at that gigantic smoke plume you can kind of make out through the haze off in the distance. the fires are still burning right now as they have been since the initial chemical fire and the first explosion, then the second explosion and so on. the air has a thick chemical smell and we actually feel it a
bit in our throats. we wonder exactly what it is we're breathing in right now although most of the people you see are not wearing masks, either they didn't have time to grab any, just don't have any. we saw police and medical personnel with masks. that's about it. we were over at the hospital earlier. it was a very emotional, very sad scene. we actually have security here telling us that we need to move out of the way, and that was an issue we ran into the hospital earlier, security, and onlookers were not happy we were filming and we were told to stop. i was actually knocked off the air and surrounded by a pretty angry mob. these are people who have gone through so much. they haven't slept. some have loved ones sick in the hospital. at least one man had a loved one who had died. emotions are high right now. the grief is high and people are still trying to process all of this, exactly what happened and why, why was this huge city rocked by these explosions overnight? that's a question investigators will be looking into as they try to assess the damage, try to
treat the sick and the emotionally scarred and try to figure out what happened and how to prevent it from happening again. will rippley, cnn, tianjin, china. >> i want to stay there if i can for a moment, but i want to take you over the disaster scene. let's not forget this is a city that is larger than new york city in population. this is video we have from a camera attached to a drone that's flying over this who whod out. it's the closest image that you can get of this crisis zone. china's earthquake center has weighed in on this and says that one of the explosions and, don't forget, more than one, but one of them alone registered as a 2.9 magnitude earthquake. in what may be a sign of some further developments to come, several executives from that
warehouse company have now been taken into police custody. coming up next, a fraternity pledge who was found dead in a lake under a bridge, was this a horrible accident or was it something else? was it hazing? some brand n court filings and a brand-new witness account just might be offering some clues. we danced in a german dance group. i wore lederhosen.man. when i first got on ancestry i was really surprised that i wasn't finding all of these germans in my tree. i decided to have my dna tested through ancestry dna. the big surprise was we're not german at all. 52% of my dna comes from scotland and ireland. so, i traded in my lederhosen for a kilt. ancestry has many paths to discovering your story. get started for free at ancestry.com.
student at clemson university. and in the process of pledging a fraternity there when instead his body was found floating in a lake near a bridge. a newly filed family lawsuit has fresh details from someone who said that 19-year-old's death was no accident. cnn's sayer sara ganim is here. where is it going? >> this tragedy has been going on more than a year now and it's been a mystery, did he jump over the bridge, pushed over the bridge, forced to jump? his family attorney says this fraternity had a history of forcing pledges to jump off bridges during early morning runs and swim to shore. we know from the family lawsuit the brothers were upset with him because he didn't have the money to bring them their mcdonald's breakfast. we know three brothers have been charged. one is the son of delaware congressman carney. 11 months later as we approach the one-year anniversary, a new
witness is coming forward telling police or leading the family to believe tucker hipps was forced to walk along the railing of the bridge. i want to read to you from the lawsuit. it says they believe now after this witness came forward that tucker slipped from the railing and caught the railing under his arms, tried to climb back onto the bridge unassisted, lost his grip and fell headfirst into the water below striking his head on the rocks in the shallow water. afterwards, the lawsuit says the brothers didn't call police for several hours. they even lied to his girlfriend so that she wouldn't do anything, telling her they spotted him in the library when they hadn't. >> wow. >> i talked to his mom yesterday, ashleigh, she's understandably heartbroken. here is what she told me. it does answer some questions. it connects some of the dots. his dad and i miss him so terribly. he is still the first thing and the last thing we think about every day and he is just so
terribly missed. of course really quickly everyone who is being sued is denying these allegations when sam carney is saying through his attorney they didn't see anything and he doesn't know how. >> you have a lawsuit, you have to deny. if this witness is to be believed there might have been anger or even a confrontation over you didn't bring the mcdonald's that we ordered to you bring as a pledge, does that take this from sort of a negligence or a cover-up to a potential murder case? are we looking at the possible manslaughter or murder two in this case? >> i think murder two might be a bit of a stretch but i think manslaughter would be a charge people would look at. >> what if they had a confrontation on the bridge and he went over because of it? >> if it happened during the confrontation, possibly. the facts as i understand it from this witness, he was supposed to buy breakfast for 30 kids, very expensive for a college kid, and he shows up without the breakfast. they tell him essentially to walk the plank. get up on the bridge, walk this
narrow rail, and then he falls to his death into the river unassisted as he's hanging on. the most horrific scene. i think that would support a manslaughter charge because these fraternity brothersre in essence his guardians. he's a pledge. there's a trust relationship and they're forcing him to walk the plank and he dies as a result of it. that strikes me as criminally reckless conduct. it doesn't strike me as an intentional murder with an intent to kill. it's a tragic accident but based on reckless conduct. >> the filings change and the witnesses seem to be changing as well. sara ganim, great work. donald trump says she will make a great first lady. meet mrs. trump, former model, mom and businesswoman who typically stays out of the political spotlight.
neurosurgeon and he's now being called a hypocrite by an ob/gyn. he co-authored the types of research he says aren't necessary. >> virtually everything that can be attributed to progress by using fetal tissue can also use other types of tissue. so i'm -- if it were the only way to do something and there was no other way, that might be an argument but under these circumstances it really is not legitimate argument. >> so this was ben carson last month on cnn's "the lead" with jake tapper. last month with jake tapper. now dr. carson says this to "the washington post" and i'll just quote him directly as the paper says. you have to look at the intent. to willfully ignore evidence that you have for some
ideological reason is wrong. if you're willing babies and taking the tissue, that's a very different thing than taking a dead specimen and keeping a record of it. carson is among many republicans calling for planned parenthood to lose its federal funding. but he told "the post" he doesn't believe fetal tissue research is wrong or should be banned. he is in second place in the new cnn poll. take a look. donald trump still out ahead at 22%. ben carson right behind him at 14%. you can see the others in single digits playing out behind the doctor. well, donald trump leads in the republican polls. most voters don't know a whole lot about his third and current wife melania, a former fashion model, and also the mother to trump's fifth child. she's a businesswoman herself and likely his closest confidante. randy kaye introduces us to a
potential first lady named melania trump. meet mrs. trump number three. >> reporter: to some she is just known as mrs. trump, the quiet, impeccably dressed force behind her husband. melania is much more than just a sideshow to her husband's business empire and presidential ambitions. there's glitzy and glamorous magazine covers and her own line of jewelry on qvc. >> i want all women to have a piece of my jewelry because it will make them feel special. >> reporter: she also took a silly turn in an aflac insurance commercial. >> aflac. >> reporter: before becoming mrs. trump, melania had long been a fixture on the modeling scene beginning her career at just 16 in her native country of slovenia. by 18 she had a contract with an agency in italy jetting as her
biography puts it between milan and paris building a career where just two years later she met her future husband, donald trump. >> we met in 1998. it was a fashion week. it was a fashion party. we were both invited. >> reporter: it was her first marriage to a man known for his famous marriages. and even more for his infamous splits. larry king interviewed the newlyweds back in 2005. >> do you worry about women and him being attracted to them? >> no, i don't worry about that at all. i know who i am and if a man doesn't want to be with me or i don't want to be with the man -- >> good-bye and good luck? do you worry about her with men? >> no, i know her. that's the rock. >> reporter: a successful relationship that produced a son, barry, born in 2006. >> the energy of the children
and my son. >> reporter: and one of her husband's bombastic style? >> is he a control freak? does he make demands? >> i don't think so. maybe he makes demands in his business because he needs to. he's kind of a general. he needs to have people in line, but not at home. we are very equal in the relationship, and that's very important. you know, to marry a man like donald is -- you need to know who you are, and you need to be very strong and smart and, you know, he needs to know that he can rely on me sometimes. we share a lot of stuff together. i don't think he's a control freak at all. >> reporter: an equal relationship, she says, and a supportive spouse. in his wife melania, trump may have the secret weapon he needs to help keep that trump surge going strong. randi kaye, cnn, new york.
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in case you have lost count, more than 35 women say they are victims of bill cosby. victims of sexual assault and, in some cases, of being drugged. in others, it's harassment, inappropriate touching. while cosby admits he gave drugs to some of them for sex, he has said time and time again he is not a rapist and that he didn't drug women against their will. well, now three more women are coming forward via their attorney gloria allred. she is representing several other alleged victims as well. the three new women include two
actresses and a flight attendant for american airlines. cnn cannot independently verify the authenticity of their claims, but it is clear they were beautiful young women, women who say they were afraid to speak up until now. this is eden turl, cast to play a police officer in an episode of "the cosby show" when it was in its fifth season back in 1989. in the middle of rehearsal she says she was summoned to cansoss dressing room. that happened three days in a row. s he didn't show up. on the fourth day he did show. >> after 25 minutes of interviewing me he said something that let me know he was done bantering. i had one last deterrent up my sleep. bill, you are jell-o pudding pops and fat --
i've told this story a couple of times. bill, you are jell-o pudding pops and fat albert to me. you are my childhood. he barked back instantly, don't say that. they all say that. the mood in the room turned. i wanted out. i knew i had to walk a line, though. he had handled being hit on many times in the industry, but this had far surpassed that. i felt dominated. he then said, come here. everything now seemed to slow down and i had to decide swiftly what i would do. i stood up. bill came toward me. when we were face-to-face, he asked me to turn around. how was i maintaining my decorum, i asked myself. i will be in a completely powerless position if i turn around. i wanted to smack him. my mind raced and concluded i could knee him. i'm 6 feet tall. i could elbow him, run out if he
tried to touch me. so i turned around. i felt him step towards me and put his hands over the back of my hands. he began to move our hand together like an exercise many know as the mirror exercise. i played along and made sure that his lower body stayed away from my bottom. when he was finished with this, he then pulled me into him, wrapped both our arms around me like lovers would, and whispered in my ear, see, this is all that we were going to do, make love. this is making love. he turned me around, hugged me, and i left without saying a word. >> just ahead, the woman who was on the right-hand side, gloria allred, is going to join us to share more of those stories and as attorney for these women she also has a challenge for the attorney representing mr. cosby. you're going to hear it next.
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from los angeles. as always, gloria, thank you for being on the program. so often when you and i have talked over the years about the cases you represent, it's usually because a lawsuit has filed. in a lot of the cases, the women are not taking legal action. they're taking public action. but what do you hope to get out that have? >> well, of course, empowerment of women and empowerment of those who believe they're victims of bill cosby. accountability for mr. cosby in the court of public opinion. if they can't file a lawsuit because it's too late, because the statute of limitations han run on their ability to file a civil lawsuit or because it's too late and the statute of limitations has run on any criminal prosecution of mr. cosby. they can still speak out in the court of public opinion and that's what they're doing. it has been empowering. they have lived in fear. they have kept the secret.
they want now to be out and to help to support other persons who allege they are victims and also to tell what they say is their truth. >> so i know that you have a challenge for bill cosby's attorney. let's just be clear bill cosby has said almost nothing to so many of these allegations time and time again as they come out, but he has dispatched his representatives and you have something you want them to do. what is it? >> yeah. his recently newly hired person who is going on television, monique presley, who has been on cnn and other outlets, i challenge her to debate me. let's say right here on your program or right here on cnn, come on with me anytime anywhere. a lot of the victims feel you've been attacking them, have been filibustering reporters' questions, avoiding and evading and giving bill cosby-like evasive answers.
i will debate you. not about the case i am currently litigating, judy huth versus bill cosby, but any other allegations. you say they shouldn't wait 10, 20, 30, 40 years. i want to talk to you about that. if you have the courage to come on with me, let's do it. let's get it on. don't just be out there all by yourself circling giving these ridiculous explanations and defense of mr. cosby. >> we thought it would be a great idea. we invited her to join us today. it didn't happen. she did do one thing. she gave us a statement. monique presley says while i do appreciate the temptation that may exist for some to turn this matter into a public spectacle, lawyers representing clients resolve matters in court not debates, and we were declined -- our invitation was declined from
monique pressley. thank you so much for coming on. we'll continue to follow the case that you mentioned of judith huth. i want to bring in defense attorney joey jackson to weigh in on this as well. the court of public opinion, we were just talking about this. and then as you sit up on the set with me, we are both of the same age, we talked about how the jell-o pudding man and "fat albert" -- >> a big part of our childhood and a big part of america. >> it's a court of public opinion. if you're facing something of a behemoth like that, a loving behemoth like that, doesn't gloria have her work cut out for her? >> she absolutely does, ashleigh. the more women come out, the more it appears to corroborate each and every one of their stories. to be clear there's the court of law and in a court of law never found guilty. there was the settlement. it's a sealed settlement or was. we saw parts of the deposition in other things.
and then the other court that's so valuable, the court of public opinion. there are three others that have now come forward, two actors and one stewardess with other stories. it gives credence and credibility to the other women. the ultimate thing is to what end? what can happen? that's changing and turning. there has not been an official adjudication in the other court we know as the court of law. >> and this is where you and i come in with the stories we cover every day. there is often adjudication and people find their justice and thank the judge. in this case, do you think the only justice they may ever hope to find is on tv? >> unfortunately, because, according to our process, there are time limitations that you have to move forward and to be fair to women who engauge in or
suffer from abuse, there's a repressing that occurs. you'll have an expert witness come in and tell that jury, look them in the eye, listen, this is a result of women who do feel embarrassed, do feel ashamed who don't want to be forthcoming because of what people will think of them. based upon the way the laws are structured there's limited redress in the court of law. gloria allred in representing judith huth that deals with the merits. one of the claims is her client did repress the memory and will or will not have an opportunity to move forward to see whether those claims are meritorious. >> thank you so much. up next, it is one of the greatest art heists in history. a half a billion -- a half a billion dollars worth of masterpieces sliced out of their frames from a boston museum and
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randi kaye reports. >> reporter: on this never-before-seen video, a man who may have pulled off the biggest art heist in history. take a good look. the grainy video is from march 17, 1990, the night before two men broke into boston's isabella stewart museum. they made off with 13 works of art valued at $500 million. rick abbott was one of the guards on duty that night. he was just 23 years old then. we spoke to him back in february 2013. his only television interview. he admitted he let the thieves into the museum on the night of the heist. >> i announced over the intercom and said, yeah. they said, boston police. we have report of a disturbance on the premises. so i buzzed them in. >> reporter: rick abbott has always maintained he had nothing to do with the theft, but this
newly released video shows a guard resembling abbott just 24 hours before. at the start of the tape the unidentified man is seen backing up his car to the museum side entrance. after the first guard leaves to do his security rounds, the man outside approaches the museum. the guard at the desk faces the buzzer, but the man doesn't enter. instead, he returns to his car and turns on the parking lights. after, he heads back to the museum and is once again buzzed inside. this time he does enter through the same door the thieves would enter through the very next night. the man appears to go through some paperwork at the guard desk and then disappears for about three minutes inside the museum out of view of this particular security camera. it's unclear what he was doing or why he was there in the middle of the night. investigators want to know if
this video was some sort of dry run for the real thing. they say the car seen in the video even matches the general description of the vehicle seen parked outside the museum the night of the theft. the fbi released the tape hoping the public can help identify the mystery man. could this man have anything to do with the break-in on the night of the heist? and why did the museum security guard let strangers into the museum two nights if a row in rick abbott, who says he was handcuffed during the heist, has never been charged in connection with the crime, but he's never been officially cleared either. >> once i sat down with the fbi the first thing i said was, what do you want to know? i knew they were going to be looking at me. >> reporter: on the night of the theft, the panic button at the desk was never activated allowing the thieves to take their time spending nearly an hour and a half in the museum
collecting the artwork. that was 25 years ago. and despite a $5 million reward, the artwork has never been returned. randi kaye, cnn, new york. that's all the time we have. dana bash is up next. hello. i'm dana bash in for wolf blitz er. it's 1:00 p.m. here in washington, 6:00 p.m. in london, and 8:00 p.m. in baghdad. wherever you're watching from around the world, thanks for joining us. and up first, joe biden. he is huddling with his family talking to advisers about whether to jump into the presidential race. some democrats concerned about the controversy brewing around hillary clinton have urged biden to run. former democratic national commit
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