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>> i'm john berman. this is cnn special breaking news coverage. just moments ago candid and incredibly at ease, former president jimmy carter opened up about his health and a new serious battle with cancer. mr. carter says that four spots of melanoma were found on his brain. he begins radiation treatment for that today. doctors made the discovery after removing a cancerous tumor from his liver. this was the president's reaction after he learned that the cancer had spread. >> i felt that it was confined to my liver and that they had -- the operation had completely removed it, so i was quite relieved, and then that same afternoon we had an mri of my head and neck, and it showed up that it was already in four places in my brain. so i would say that night and the next day until i came back up to emory i just thought i had a few weeks left, but i was
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surprisingly at ease. you know, i have had a wonderful life. i have got thousands of friends and i have had an exciting and adventurous and gratifying existence, so i was surprisingly at ease, much more so than my wife was. >> surprisingly at ease. and i have to say, if you had the chance to watch this full news conference, it was simply arresting, the poise, the grace, the intelligence with which the former president talked about his prognosis. it was astounding. here to discuss right now is dr. david spiegel, a medical oncologist. also joined by cnn's presidential historian doug brir brir brinkley. let's start with the medical news. four spots of melanoma on the brain. we did not know that until a few minutes ago. he begins radiation treatment for that in a few hours. what does that mean, spots of melanoma on the brain, and what
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is generally speaking the prognosis. >> you know, in general we hear cancer in the brain and we think the worst and it's never a good thing but in this case i was encouraged these spots are small. he mentioned two millimeters in size. that's about the size of the tip of a ball point pen. these are spots that often we'll just watch if patients aren't having symptoms. in this case his radiation oncologist who actually is a friend, a very good doctors, he's in great hands, will probably treat that with a focal form of radiation therapy. sometimes we use the term radio surgery but this is no cutting. it's often one or two treatments and then you're gone. he'll have four treatments spaced out over several weeks. i think he will do very well with that. >> dr. sanjay gupta joins us right now, our chief medical correspondent. sanjay, you were in that room, and before i get to the medicine here, let me just ask you about the experience itself because watching from afar here as i just said, it was arresting to
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hear the ease and the peace with which this former president spoke about the cancer and the battle he now faces. >> reporter: yeah. i agree, john. it felt that way in the room as well. he walked in punctual as always, he's known for that. a pair of jeans, a sports coat and tie, and sat down. made a couple jokes initially and then got right to it and described it in a lot of detail. wasn't looking at notes really and just described what has been going on with him over the last several months. there were a few months that were as you say arresting. at one point he said when i first heard about this i thought i had just a couple weeks to live. that was hard to hear, and i think that there was definitely a hush in the room when he said that as well. but he also talked about the fact that he's now going to pursue this aggressively. he started a type of chemotherapy as you were just hearing, a sort of boosting of the immune system drug, and he's
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going to start this radiation this afternoon. he had to have a mask fitted to his face because this is a type of radiation that will pinpoint these lesions in his brain. so he's very much moving forward. it was a long press conference, took a lot of questions, but it was an emotional one i think as well. >> sanjay, let me ask you this and i'll get to the doctor in a second on the subject. the former president said he's going to step back from some of his day-to-day responsibles at the carter center and the work he does for habitat for humanity. he's going to step back a little but he's still going to stay engaged some. he's still going to be part of meetings. he still wants to focus on what the center and his charity work, what it's doing. is it reasonable, jan ssanjay, think he can stay involved while engaged in this medical battle? he's 90. >> i think so. you know, he's 90, but he's an active 90, john. i think we have talked about this, age in terms of chronological years obviously important. age in terms of your physiology, much more important. there are 5-year-ol0-year-olds
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like 90-year-olds and vice versa. he's been moving around. he planned to go to nepal this fall for habitat for humanity. take a plane to kathmandu and another plane further south. he said he still wants to do that if he can coordinate it around his radiation treatments. he certainly wants to do these things. he's proven he can even at his age. i think right now it's a question of doing these things without interfering with his treatments. he is going to pull back a great deal he said from the carter center, but he clearly has a lot more to do. you know, one thing i can tell you, a moment from the press conference, one of the things he's known for is the fight to eradicate guinea worm. it's a terrible disease in many parts of the world. he said i hope the last guinea worm dies before i do. he was making a little joke, but it gives you an idea of just how focused and passionate he remains about these things.
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>> another thing we got an idea was just how smart president jimmy carter has been. he's been politically controversial at times. i don't think it's ever been a question about how intelligent the man is. it sounded like he could be a cancer surgeon. it counseled sounded like he co oncologist. part of the reason is because of a serious family history. >> you bring up a good point. you know, he's an important part of the team, so he defers -- he mentioned in his press conference he has a radiation oncologist, but he's a patient and a former president. he'll be important in making the decisions. he's well-read in his own family's medical history. he knows a lot about cancer and medicine and health care and has worked at the carter center. one of the challenges as a provider is kind of getting out of the room. you want to be in the room and talk to him all the time and get his thoughts on things. so i'm very hopeful for him.
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>> he has an interesting time ahead of him. his family history is with pancreatic. i know he was concerned it had spread to his pancreas. no sign of that. doug, you have written extensively about the president over the years. i suspect you were probably the least surprised of anyone to see the poise with which he is now facing this battle. >> absolutely. wasn't surprised at all. it's the way jimmy carter is. he mentioned the pancreatic cancer in his family. mr. earl, his father, died of it. his mother, miss lel iillian, w worked for the peace corps, his brother billy, his two sisters, gloria and ruth, all died of the pancreatic cancer. some think it was because of the pesticides that were sprayed in sumter counstycounty, georgia,
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jimmy carter was away in the navy. he writes letters all the time even now around the world asking for political prisoners to be released, documenting human rights abuses all over the world. only eleanor roosevelt has injected the concept of human rights into our global parlance with the diggity and quanity an jimmy carter. >> he noted how the bushes calls, the secretary of state, john kerry called, and it's the first time they've spoken in a while. right now president carter's foreign policy not always in line with the current administration. douglas, he spoke at this point as he's 90 years old facing this cancer battle reflectively about his life and about his career and about his regrets and there
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was this remarkable moment in this news conference where he spoke about the iran hostage crisis which was perhaps the -- it was the low point of his presidency, one of the low points for the united states, period, and he spoke about the failed hostage rescue. let's listen to that sound bite. >> and anything you wish, i'm sorry, that you had not done or that you had done differently? >> i wish i had sent one more helicopter to get the hostages and we would have rescued them and i would have been re-elected. >> he went on to say, you know, if he had to choose the carter senster over being re-elected, he would use the carter center and then he went on and joked again, maybe i could have had both though. it was interesting to hear him talk about that, douglas, because it was such a raw time in his career and in this country's history. >> well, he desperately regrets that, that hostage rescue mission didn't work. one thing we have to keep in mind because people do a backhanded compliment to jimmy
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karlter, you're a great ex president which means you weren't a good president. in truth it's all one in the life of jimmy carter. without his presidency, if he didn't put human rights into the forefront of state department policy as president, he wouldn't be able to be the human rights warrior who goes on to win a nobel peace prize. if he didn't do the panama canal treaty as president, he wouldn't have been able as ex president in 1989 to say general manuel noriega ran a fraudulent election in panama and have all the panamanians believe jimmy carter. if he hadn't recognized the people's republic of china, carter did that, not nixon and kissinger, and create a relationship with the president, he wouldn't be able to go now and election monitor this china like he's done in recent years. he was the first president, sitting president, to go to africa while president when he went to nigeria. he had denounced apartheid when he was president. so it's all part and parcel, the
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presidency and the post-presidency of an extraordinary american life dedicated to honesty, decency, and democracy everywhere on the planet. >> very notable at this time and we have to be careful not to eulogize him because he made clear he's not done yet. he has much more work he wants to do. doctor, let me go finally to you. i asked about the prognosis and you said it's strong, it's bright potentially but again he is 90. he's talking about radiation on the brain and he's talking about cancer. they don't believe it spread anywhere else but there might very well be more cancer cells in the body. >> ultimately it's hard when you're talking about an advanced cancer. doesn't matter where it's from. if it has spread to different places in general we associate that with a poor prognosis. there was a little bit of a relief when i heard of the actual diagnosis, melanoma, because we have had such breakthroughs in the last -- >> we think of melanomas a s as
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skin cancer. how does it end up on the brain. >> cancer can spread through the bloodstream, through the lymphatic stream, the same system that our immune cells travel through. what's been exciting, john, has been the number of breakthroughs in what would largely be regarded as a cancer that couldn't be treated. just in the last few years therapies to boost your own immune system to fight cancer are showing great results in melanoma. at our major cancer meeting this past june, we saw results with the very drug he was discussing allowing patients to live longer, to live better than we've ever seen before with traditional therapies. i'm very optimistic. >> dr. david spiegespiegel, dou brinkley, and sanjay gupta, thank you for this. we have more breaking news. just moments ago the man who pulled off the daring prison escape in new york, he appeared in court for the first time since his capture. we have it on camera.
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see what happened inside and the prosecutor there getting ready to make a big announcement. plus, a city on edge. bottles, brick, tear gas as police and protesters clash in st. louis. is there more violence now in store? and then the joyful tortoise becomes the slightly aggressive turtle. jeb bush with a new strategy against donald trump. will the now eagle taming billionaire unleash his talents or some equally threatening animal metaphor? (vo) after 50 years of designing cars for crash survival, subaru has developed ons or some equally threatening animal metaphor? a car that can see trouble... ...and stop itself to avoid it. when the insurance institute for highway safety tested front crash prevention nobody beat subaru models with eyesight. not honda. not ford or any other brand. subaru eyesight. an extra set of eyes, every time you drive.
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conference about that prison break we saw a couple months ago in that region. new information coming out right now. this is d.a. andrew wiley. let's listen. >> i'm not sure if he's been out here yet or not, but you'll have the opportunity to speak with him and his office is located here in plattsburgh just on the other side of the building. he is a court-appointed attorney for david sweat. the maximum sentences that the court could impose with david sweat is a 3 1/2 to 7 year indeterminate sentence on the promoting prison contraband. all three are class d felonies so it is once again a 3 1/2 to 7 year indetermine yacrterminate . they could be imposed consecutive to each other. the sentences in whole would have to be imposed consecutive to the sentence that mr. sweat is currently serving. we all know that's a life without parole sentence at this
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point in time, but those are the sentences that the court could impose along with a $5,000 fine on each charge should he be convicted after trial of those matters or after a plea is entered by mr. sweat. it's a little windy here. you all know i have somewhat of a difficult time hearing on the left side so if you guys are going to get a question in just ask me that, i'll try to address those and we'll take a few questions at this time and if you don't have a copy -- hold on. if you don't have a copy of the indictment and you don't get one here, we can e-mail you that. just send an e-mail to us at da@co.clinton.ny.us. >> reporter: for the people who are just watching now and wondering why a guy who has already been sentenced to life without parole would be
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processed, charged -- >> right. >> what's the point? >> the point is that david sweat and richard matt committed a crime in clinton county. they committed a crime of escape in the first degree and it's my job as the prosecutor in this county to prosecute the people that commit crimes within this county, and that is the bottom line. he committed a crime here in this county, and i am prosecuting him for that crime. >> you said -- >> could he get further punishment behind bars, extra solitary confinement? >> the status of a new conviction for escape in the first degree, promoting prison contraband could result in the department of corrections treating him in a more severe way than they currently would had he not escaped. as we know he was in an honor
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block in clinton correctional facility up through june 5th, 2015, and in the early morning hours of june 6, 2015, it was discovered that he and richard matt had escaped from the facility. so he would be subject to those conditions that the department of corrections would establish and set on him which would be special housing. he's currently i believe in special housing now limited to 23 hours a day in his cellblock with a one-hour time period out of it, his immediate cellblock. >> can you tell us what happened in the judge's chambers, and in the courtroom you looked over at him a couple times, you finally got your man. what did you see when you looked over at him? >> let me address the second part. and it's not a situation of, you know, getting my man because i prosecute people that commit crimes in this county as i said earlier, and that's what i was
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elected to do and i will continue to do that. yes, actually jay cook is the person who got my man. and he is the person who needs to be credited for that, the incredible work that each and every law enforcement agency did, but in particular on that day in june in franklin county where sergeant cook was able to observe, recognize, and then apprehend david sweat. that's the man that needs to be recognized. regarding your first question -- i'll go back to the second, too. and, you know, david sweat, my observations of him are he's obviously -- you notice he was in a sling today and it's mienedimieney understanding in speaking with officials he's still recovering from the gunshot wounds from the time he was apprehended and that's a medical condition that's being continued with treatment for those gun shot wounds. he was cooperative.
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he was -- in dealing with the arraignment process today, he did not speak at all. i did not speak with him during that period of time. relative to the court calling us into -- >> you have been listening to andrew wylie talking about charges that he just filed against david sweat. david sweat is the inmate, the convict, who escaped from the clinton county correctional facility back in june i believe it was and was since captured, shot in the process. the new charges include escape in the first degree and promoting prison contraband, and just moments ago sweat appeared in court, our first chance to get a look at him inside a courtroom since he was captured and the judge entered a not guilty plea on escape in the first degree which is interesting in and of itself, also a not guilty plea on the promoting prison contraband charges. alexandra field joins us live from plattsburgh, new york,
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where this has all been happening. alexandra? >> reporter: hey there, john. it's the first time we've seen david sweat in court, certainly a change of pace for him. he has been kept in a prison a few hundred miles southwest of clinton county where he escaped back in june, and he's been in solitary confinement since he was released from the hospital and brought to that other prison following the escape and his capture when he was shot twice in the torso. when we saw him walk into the courtroom this morning with a number of guards surrounding him with his attorney by his side, he was shackled at the feet, he had shackles around his waist and his wrists were shackled. he had a sling and some kind of brace on his arm. you heard the district attorney saying he was still recovering from the gun shot wounds. he did nothing in particular to draw more attention to himself in any way. he only spoke once say being three words when he acknowledged to the knowledge that he had elected to have an attorney represent him as this case proceeds forward. and you heard a little bit of the breakdown from the district attorney saying that these are
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charges that could come with a three to seven-year sentence which would be served concurrent to the life sentence without parole that david sweat is already serving. there have been a lot of questions about why you might bring charges in a case like this. the district attorney said convictions on these counts would be helpful to the department of corrections as they try to ensure the most maximum conditions of confinement who will be in prison for the life. there's a separate hearing at the prison he is in to determine how exactly he will be kept, what kind of housing, again solitary confinement he's been in for weeks now. >> alexandra field for us in plattsburgh where we did get our first look at david sweat looking like he has pretty much recovered from that gunshot wound. joining me now is jean casarez who covered the story from the beginning, also tim williams the chief inspector for new york's fugitive task force. what about the criticism that the d.a. responded to which is
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why bother? this guy is in prison serving life without parole and now they're going through this legal process to get him on this escape charge which he pleaded not guilty to which is strange in and of itself and the contraband charge. >> and he could have pleaded guilty. he had an opportunity at the arraignment. first of all, every defendant is going to want their case overturned. every defense attorney would like their case overturned. the life in prison without the possibility of parole, if it would be overturned, he would be out on the street, this protects that even though it's a mere seven years and if it's consecutive terms it could be 14 years, but it protects that and the fact is he committed a crime. and it actually cost the taxpayers of new york $58 million in overtime, $23 million in total, this man hunt and i think justice in the eyes of the prosecutor and i think the state of new york needs to be served. >> tim, one of the things the da d.a. said is if he is convicted,
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it would allow them to treat him in a more severe way in confinement. i mean, what would that be? i have a hard time thinking that there's anything not severe right now about how he's being confined. >> well, i think, you know, it was said before he was in custody 23 out of 24 hours in the cell. that takes away a lot of freedoms and certainly those are the kind of things that they look for in these type of escapes. that's what leverage they have to get those individuals and this is a wake-up call to prisons across the country, federal, state, local, private institutions, and actually internationally that, you know, these individuals have nothing better to do than think about ways to get out of there and, unfortunately, insiders, sometimes employs and new york state corrections is a very -- it's a great organization. they have great people there, worked with them quite a bit over the years. they do not tiss-- it doesn't s
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for the individuals they hire. they have top notch people unfortunately a few bad apples, but it's a wake-up call around the country and around the world, kaescapes in mexico, similar tactics. >> you mentioned leverage, that's really the only unanswered question, did they have more help inside the prison. what were the conditions that allowed this escape to occur and there is a special investigation going on right now. does any of this, any of this new prtosecution, any of the confinement details involving sweat, does any of that help with the investigation into how this was allowed to take place? >> i'm sure it does. i mean, the investigators are going to comb through everything. they want to make sure that anyone that was involved in assisting these individuals with the escape are going to be prosecuted. they want to make sure that everyone -- i'm sure there's going to be training in place and there will be lessons learned from this that the institution will take. as far as they're going to want
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obviously this individual to cooperate, give them as much information on anything that has occurred in the escape and any individuals that were involved. >> all right. tim wells, jean casarez, thanks so much for being with us. violent protests erupting in st. louis after police shoot and kill an 18-year-old man. then officers and protesters clash. we'll take you there live. plus, donald trump says he could force cnn to pay $10 million or he could refuse to attend the next debate. what's going on here? we'll tell you why. rheumatoid arthritis like me... and you're talking to a rheumatologist about a biologic, this is humira. this is humira helping to relieve my pain and protect my joints from further damage. this is humira helping me reach for more. doctors have been prescribing humira for more than 10 years. humira works for many adults. it targets and helps to block a specific
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happening now, escalating tensions in the city of st. louis after a night of unrest where protesters took to the streets upset over a deadly officer-involved shooting of a young african-american man. you can see the tension on the streets there. tear gas used after authorities say the crowd began throwing bricks at the officer. police killed a man while executing a search warrant. officials say he pointed a gun at them forcing the officers to fire. joining us now is cnn's ryan young who is in st. louis, also with me here in new york is cornell west a civil rights activist and professor emeritus at princeton university who was just last week arrested in st. louis i should say amid the continued demonstrations about the events in nearby ferguson.
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ryan, i want to start with you. what happened last night. give us the chain of events. >> john, a tough night here in st. louis. you can see behind me right now it's all calm here but what we found out is after that shooting people started amassing in the street. they were upset about this and then officers showed up with their riot gear. then someone started tossing water bottles and rocks towards the officers. at some point they used what they said was smoke bombs and people became upset and they started throwing things back towards the officers. at some point someone set a car on fire and then it moved to a building and things spiraled out of control. then the officers moved forward and the crowd pushed them back. it went back and forth for some time. nine people were arrested and that 18-year-old who were shot, police were telling us they found three stolen guns in the area near where he was shot. there's a second man they're looking for and they believe he's armed and dangerous as well. the reason they were executing a
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search warrant, a man was robbed. in fact, it was a tuskegee airman. his car was stolen. they were trying to recover some of that stolen goods. they were trying to execute the search warrant and all these events unfolded. now people are wondering what will happen over the next 24 hours after everything that happened last night. john? >> ryan young, a complicated night in st. louis. i turn to professor west. i think there's a discussion right now about the police tactics about what happened after the demonstration started but i want to go back even before that to the idea of the protests and the demonstration and where we are right now in the country because there was this search warrant served on this 18-year-old man suspected of having weapons. police say they found stolen weapons and also i believe some drugs in the house. so is every officer involved shooting at this point in and of itself necessarily objectionable and a cause for protest? >> well, i think the real challenge here is, and i'm
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thinking really of that wonderful moment with jimmy carter with that need for spiritual sensitivity, the need for integrity, the need to understand, and when we really tell the truth, then we have to allow suffering to speak. we're going to see this over and over again until we have quality education, jobs with a living wage, black self love on behalf of my own folk and an acknowledgment of the degree to which we can't have 1% of the population owning 42% of the wealth and the social neglect of these precious brothers and sisters with guns and with drugs. individual responsibility is crucial but back to jimmy carter, look at his sensitivity to the vulnerable. juxtapose jimmy carter with our dear brother donald trump. a lot of authenticity in donald trump, i love it, no real integrity, no real sensitivity to mexican brothers and sisters and others. we need a national atmosphere
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which is the opposite of what we have here, a national atmosphere of the spirit of jimmy carter that says i could be wrong, but i'm concerned about the least of these. we've got to ensure that the most powerful are rendered accountable. jimmy carter had the courage to do that even in the middle east escalating anti-semitism in the world but also a very ugly israeli occupation. how do you walk that tightrope? we don't have leaders like that. >> let's take it down then to the street level last night in st. louis. >> yes. >> we don't know all the details. >> that's right. we've got to get the facts. >> we have to get the facts. >> absolutely. >> before the facts all come out, it just seems that the protesters who were out there, wharf the facts they were told or whatever facts they may be told, they're already upset over what happened. they're already saying something went wrong here when i don't know that the facts suggest it yet. >> we lost a precious life. another young black brother is shot. happens every 28 hours. it's happened for seven years in the making.
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every 28 hours a black person is shot by vigilante police or security guard. granted, we have a black president, black attorney into justice for folk on the ed- ground. what do we do? we've got to shift to a carter-like spirit, and that's the legacy of martin king and that's the legacy of fannie lou hamer. >> is that what the black lives matter movement is doing. >> it's just a moment in the black freedom struggle. the black freedom struggle is about sustained catastrophe and responding with sustained compassion. >> you say it's just one chapter now in the overall -- >> 400 years. think about it this way though, brother john. i think about this in relation to donald trump because his mother is from scotland. his grandfather is from germany. my people have been here 400 years. he just got here but he wants to define who ought to get here. wait a minute, where is the sensitivity to the weak and
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vulnerable? that's what martin king and the others were talking about. he recognizes the game was rigged in terms of the 30 years he participated as a donor, well for 30 years you participating in the rigging of the game. where is the integrity? that's what jimmy carter is about. >> we're not going to mark you down as a trump voter. >> i just want to be honest with trump. why does he lack integrity? why does he lack the truth telling? why did he wait so late to deal with the confidence game he was a part of for so long. that's what st. louis is about because st. louis is a spiritual condition. it's not just political. if you're always looking to wall street and not concerned about main street, you already have a disorientation of your soul in terms of how a democracy operates. >> let's keep it on politics a little bit and martin luther king. mike huckabee said dr. king would be appalled, appalled by the black lives matter movement. >> what was his argument? >> he was suggesting that he thinks the way they are
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protesting and the unrest in some cases that they're causing, that dr. king would be appalled by it. >> no, no, i think brother huckabee is just wrong about that. king was accused of engaging in disrupti disruption. he was accused of being un-american and moving too quickly. the crucial thing about it and here i think is most fundamental, king said that love must be at the center of it, and justice is what love looks like in public. and that is a challenge i think, that's why we need a marshal plan for the cities. that's why my dear brother bernie sanders, i might disagree with him on this issue and that, but he is a prophetic politician in terms of his love of working people and critique of wall spirit. you know how critical i am of both parties -- >> it's always like being in class. i appreciate you being here. >> always a blessing. let the verbal jabs fly.
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donald trump turning into frazer and ali in the race. jeb bush on the ropes, but now punching back. listen to an excerpt of the thri thrilla in new hampshire. >> he's very low energy. >> mr. trump doesn't have a proven conservative record. he was a democrat longer than a republican. >> do you know what's happening to jeb's crowd right down the street? they're sleeping. he was supposed to do well in new hampshire. he's going down like a rock. >> look, mr. trump is clearly got talent. there's no denying that, but when people look at his record, it is not a conservative record. even on immigration where it's, you know, look, the language is pretty vitriolic for sure. >> only thing constant is trump. all of them change on the bottom, going up and down like yo-yos. >> the thrilla in new hampshire. dueling town halls. let's bring in dan pfeiffer and
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ana navarro. dan is a former adviser to the priz. ana is a good friend of marco rubio but a good friend to jeb bush and a big time floridian. donald trump is leading jeb bush, the form ee eer governor flo, fl florida, in a poll right now. do you think it's a good idea for jeb to be punching back at donald trump? >> i think it's great. i almost want to get up and dance. hallelujah. you know, it's finally happened. look, trump is running against 16 other people but the way he's focused on jeb, you would think he's only runs against jeb bush. if you want to make it a hand-to-hand combat between bush and trump, i couldn't think of a more stark choice for voters to
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have. i hope they go at it at the debate. people aren't going to need to say jeb needs to bring in the energy. i want him to show that same energy and continue making a contrast between his record and donald trump's record. so i think this is good for donald trump. i think it's good for jeb bush, and i think it's good for voters because they get to see the contrast. remember, john, there was another guy who had a town hall at the same time as jeb bush and donald trump last night in new hampshire. nobody is even talking about him. >> it's a good point. so you want him to go from a joyful tortoise to a spry turtle but there are risks, dan pfeiffer. you noted on twitter a few moments ago that being pull into a fight for donald trump for jeb bush does have some problems. >> i think on paper this is the right thing to do. donald trump is right that jeb bush has been, quote, sinking like a rock. he's struggled. he's behind him in every state, including his home state in the most recent cnn poll. jeb bush is less electable than
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donald trump so he is a challenge. my view is if he's going to throw a punch, he should really throw a punch. i thought his performance at the town hall was really sort of pitiful. there was no energy. it was very milquetoast. if he's going to do it, he has to be willing to show some passion, show some fight and stand on the debate stage next to trump and make the case to his face and do it with passion and be able to handle the counter punch because everyone else who has punched trump has lost the fight. we're going to see if jeb bush has more fight. >> but he's also engaging sort of on trump's field because trump is using the phrase anchor baby to talk about babies born to illegal immigrants in the states and now jeb bush using the same language. >> i think jeb bush made the case when he was going to run he was going to offer an inclusive message, reach out to communities, but because he's behind trump, he's speaking trumps language. he's using a term i think many find offensive. if jeb bush were to be the nominee, he will regret and
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sufficient irfrom havier from h into this debate with donald trump. >> i want to give you a chance to talk about polls that may bring you some joy. and that's on the democratic side where joe biden in this new quinnipiac poll, joe biden's doing better against republican candidates than hillary clinton is in these key swing states. what does that tell you? >> you know, i'm not surprised by it at all. i will tell you that i know joe biden and i know joe biden has been in florida a lot during his long career in public service. he's very well liked here, and i do think that, you know, instead of focusing so much on jeb's problems, dan should be focusing on hillary clinton's problems which are great and numerous. you know, we have a trump problem. hillary clinton has a hillary problem, and i would say that's a much more serious problem than what we're facing. she's going down in every poll. she's under 50% in these three swing states of florida, ohio,
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and -- >> pennsylvania. >> florida, ohio, and pennsylvania where joe biden is doing great. of course, joe biden is an adopted son of pennsylvania. so i think she's got a host of problems. you're talking about how jeb did in the town hall yesterday. let's talk about how hillary did in her press conference where, number one, she was flippant about being investigated and, number two, she was testy and thin-skinned about getting asked about it. >> well, we have successfully raised a lot of problems now. we will try to focus and answer some of those problems another time. dan pfeiffer, ana navarro, thanks so much. great to see you guys. >> thank you. shots fired, threats of more violence. these threats coming over a loud speaker. north korea warns the south to stop its psychological warfare or else. we'll explain. and he thought he only had weeks to live, but now surprisingly at ease.
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happening now the pentagon monitoring escalating tensions between north and south korea. more than just tensions. the two countries exchanged fire. north korea fired the first shot taking aim at a loudspeaker broadcasting anti-pyongyang propaganda across the border.
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south korea retaliated with 36 artillery shells. cnn's kathy novak from seoul, we hear threats all the time. it's been some time since we've seen live fire between the two countries. >> reporter: absolutely, and the tensions have been ramping up the last couple of weeks. south korea's military on high alert and the president order ing it to sternly take action against north korea's provocation. this is all happening as the united states is holding joint military drills with south korea. we know pyongyang threatened to attack the u.s. mainland over that. it's angry about the propaganda messages being broadcast through the loudspeaker that you referred to there. now this is part of psychological warfare, something south korea hasn't done in more than ten years and pyongyang threatened to blow up the speakers. it threatened indiscriminate threats against south korea and after this exchange of fire it issued an ultimatum. if south korea does not stop the
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broadcasts by 5:00 p.m. on saturday seoul time north korea will take military action. >> has south korea responded to that? do they continue to broadcast? >> reporter: as far as we know it is continuing to broadcast and as we know the president chaired a meeting of the national security council ordering stern action against north korea. now these psychological warfare methods were taken in retaliation for land mines. those badly injured two south korean soldiers. >> all right. this tension showing no signs of abating. we'll have to watch it very closely. thanks so much and thank you all so much for joining us. "legal news with ashleigh banfield" starts after a quick break.
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hello, everyone. i'm ashleigh banfield and welcome to "legal view." we'll begin with breaking news about president jimmy carter. he's lived a long life in the public eye, and president carter sees no need to change that now. this morning the 39th president of the united states held a news conference unlike anything you've seen before laying bare his diagnosis of melanoma on the brain, professing his ease at starting cancer treatments at the age of 90, recalling the best thing he ever did. and here's a hint -- it is not politics. and declaring his hopes for doing more for the carter center and

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