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>> progress is being made. the commonwealth of virginia announced today that it had effectively ended homelessness for veterans. the white house today also announced that the cities of syracuse, new york and las vegas have eliminated effectively veteran homelessness. to all our veterans out there, thank you for your service. for me, my family and everyone at "the lead," i thank you. turning you over now to wolf blitzer in "the situation room." happening now, isis threat. u.s. sources say intelligence is poring over cell phone records and other intercepts trying to track any terrorists who may have been involved in the downing of that russian airliner over sinai. and we're now learning that before that plane exploded isis called for attacks on russia. holding pattern, egypt says it will let u.s. experts help with the airliner investigation, but how much will the american investigators be allowed to see? and what's behind the delay? stun gun suit, surveillance video shows a man being tased
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multiple times while in handcuffs. he later died in custody even though the incident happened at the doors of the emergency room. now his family is about to get a day in court suing police for $25 million. and a beautiful thing back on the campaign trail donald trump declares victory in the latest republican debate. and says watching other candidates drop out is a, quote, beautiful thing to watch. i'm wolf blitzer. you're in "the situation room." u.s. experts may now be able to examine at least some parts of the russian airliner that exploded over sinai. egypt has granted permission for a u.s. team to aid in the investigation. and the ntsb may also be able to draw on the fbi for help. egypt's president visited sharm el sheikh airport today insisting that the crash was an isolated incident and warning against what he calls hasty conclusions. he says the investigation
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results will be announced with complete transparency and clarity. we're also now learning that isis specifically called for attacks against russia in the days before the airliner went down. u.s. officials are focusing in on isis or its sinai affiliate which has claimed responsibility. officials are sketching out a scenario involving a bomb with a timer, perhaps planted aboard the plane with the help of an insider at the sharm el sheikh airport. our correspondents, analysts and guests will have full coverage of the day's top stories. let's begin with our chief national security correspondent jim sciutto on the latest on this investigation. jim, what are you learning? >> wolf, tonight u.s. intelligence and its allies poring through cell phone and other intercepts trying to identify and track any terrorists who may have been involved in bringing that plane down. those intercepts among their only clues without access to forensic evidence on the ground. but increasingly those briefed on the investigation say there is one terror group that is most capable of an attack like this.
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with egyptian investigators still poring over the wreckage of the metrojet 9268 for clues, today egyptian president abdul el sisi visited sharm el sheikh seeking to calm fears. >> translator: this was an i isolated incident. >> reporter: still, u.s. lawmakers briefed on the intelligence are already identifying isis as the likely suspect. >> everything that i've seen i am almost ready to conclude that it was isis, that it was either isis or an isis affiliate. and to me i think that is the general consensus. >> if isil within hours of an explosion like that takes credit, you've got to seriously look at what involvement they may or may not have had. >> reporter: u.s. intelligence has not made a definitive conclusion as to what brought down the jet, however isis' sinai affiliate remains the only group that has claimed responsibility. and britain's foreign secretary says that claim and other intelligence pointds to either isis itself, an isis affiliate
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or an isis inspired lone wolf. >> typically it's usually organizations, go back to pan am 103 or attacks by the chechens in russia, we have to organize the bombs, get it on the plane, there's somebody in charge. >> reporter: isis in the sinai has declared allegiance to isis central in iraq and syria, making the egyptian branch in fact an integral part of isis as a whole. official tells cnn if isis is determined to have planted a bomb on the plane, it would be, quote, clear and concerning evidence of its ambitions outside their home base. now, just in the last 24 hours isis in sinai has posted a new propaganda video threatening violence, but notably makes no mention of that downed passenger jet. in the video a masked man threatens to kill egyptian soldiers and jewish people. and remember, wolf, this is a group that has already carried out many attacks on egyptian security forces and even on the
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border with israel against real estate securi-- israeli securit forces as well. >> assume russians are going to get tough. egyptian security forces which can be pretty tough they're going to get into action i assume at some point as well. >> no question. and you have really regular clashes over the last several weeks between egyptian security forces and isis in the sinai. but when you speak to u.s. lawmakers they are expecting an aggressive response from russia as well. >> thanks very much, jim sciutto, for that. after some delay egypt now says it will let the united states play a role in the investigation. our aviation correspondent rene marsh has been digging through all of this for us. rene, could u.s. experts, what could they be allowed to do? >> well, wolf, so far we know in this crash investigation there are 58 participants in this crash investigation. and we know that the countries involved so far involve egypt, france, germany, ireland and russia. and now tonight there's a possibility that u.s. aviation accident investigators could
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also become directly involved in this crash investigation. u.s. investigators may finally have a chance to examine the wreckage of metrojet 9268. egyptian officials say they will allow experts from the national transportation safety board to have direct involvement in the investigation. that means direct access to parts of the plane. egypt's foreign minister broke the news on cnn tuesday. >> my understand iing there has been an american application to become part of the investigation, manufacturing of the engine, which we accepted and investigators encrypted immediately. >> the engines made in the u.s. under international law that automatically allows the ntsb to assist. but with egypt leading the investigation, the ntsb's access to the rest of the plane or crash site will likely be
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limited according to a u.s. official. >> if they're going to run it by the book, america, the united look at the engines.ccess to - but the engines only. the egyptian don't have to share other aspects of the investigation. >> reporter: cnn is told a leading theory by u.s. government analysts is that an insider at egypt's sharm el sheikh airport planted a bomb onboard, but with no direct access to the plane or its black boxes they cannot draw any conclusions. the ntsb would be the first u.s. officials with access to the plane. >> in any investigation it's a process of elimination. and in this case you really do have to check the box on engines. were they functioning at the time of the accident? were there any anomalies? but in terms of helping us determine whether it was a bomb, examining the engines simply
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eliminates them. >> well, the ntsb is an accident investigation agency, not criminal. their purpose is simply to determine what caused the crash. we should make clear the ntsb does not have its bags packed at this hour. they will not make a move unless they receive more information so now the ball is in egypt's court, wolf. >> rene marsh, thanks very much. let's bring in former ntsb managing director, peter goelz, cnn terrorism analyst paul cruickshank and our aviation correspondent richard quest. peter, what's the problem here? the ntsb -- used to work at the ntsb. presumably they want to go and take a look at whatever they can in sinai, but their bags aren't packed. i'm confused. >> well, this is a little bit of a dance governed by international treaty through the iko. and the egyptians and the americans are not very close when it comes to accident
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investigations. they have different profoundly on the last two joint investigations that they've carried out. and there are hard feelings at least on the part of the egyptians. >> because i would have thought not only ntsb officials but officials from pratt whitney, the manufacture of those american engines on that airbus, they would be allowed to go. and fbi experts, forensic experts would be allowed to go as well. so far i've seen none of that. >> that's right. it hasn't occurred yet. when the ntsb does go to inspect the engines, they will bring pratt and whitney technicians as advisers to them. they're the accredited representative. they'll be the ones on scene. but they'll use all the expertise they can get from pratt and whitney. >> richard, the egyptian president abdel fattah el sisi he visited sharm el sheikh airport today. this was in his words he said isolated incident. so what impact does this have on the overall investigation when the president of egypt makes a statement like that? >> well, the fascinating part is an isolated incident about what?
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an isolated incident -- is he tas sidly accepting, which i don't think he is, that this was a bomb and therefore it was an isolated incident of a security breach? or is it something else? we are still in this very unusual but not surprisingly difficult middle ground, wolf, where everybody from the security and intelligence agencies is saying it's a bomb. the investigators will not say they've found any evidence and in fact are leaking quite the opposite that they haven't found any residue. and so you still have to keep very much on the table the possibility of structural malfunction and failure from that former repair or whatever else it might be. it's a very -- peter will know this better from the twa days when of course it was bomb versus structural failure and it took many months before one or other was finally ruled in and
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out. >> richard, you know the egyptian foreign minister told me yesterday the u.s. is not, at least so far, sharing the relevant intelligence with them. is that normal? is that appropriate? why not share the intelligence with the egyptians? >> because, wolf, you do not know how reliable at the other end that intelligence is. in terms of where it's going to go. oh, the first person you give the intelligence to might be tr trustworthy, honest and full of integrity. but until they are sure that they can be relied upon, not for that intelligence to go to other people, basically to the terrorists involved if there were some. and that was one of the problems originally with russia. could they be sure, could the u.s. and and the british be sure that by handing over intelligence they weren't giving away too much. in the end they had no choice. the russians basically said it was shocking that they wouldn't share such information. i'm guessing there's a slightly
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higher before they start handing over great suedes of intelligence to the egyptians. >> i suspect you're right. paul, isis leadership call for attacks against russians and americans for that matter back in october before this plane clearly went down. tell us about this message, would it have been heard by isis affiliates, for example, in sinai? >> wolf, this was a major address by the isis spokesman, a senior leader in the group. it was 40 minutes long. it was an audiotape which was issued on the 13th of october, and it was a clarion call for isis affiliates and isis supporters around the world to launch attacks against russia. and 18 days later we see this russian airliner coming down in the sinai. certainly the isis affiliate in the sinai would have heard this message from the senior leadership of isis loud and clear. and it's certainly possible that they were responding to a call
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from abu bakr al baghdadi essentially. >> the translation from that tape says oh youths of islam all of you must come together from everywhere, all of you must come together to wage jihad on the russians and the americans. it is the war of the crusaders against the muslims. all right, guys, much more on the story coming up. we're going to take a quick break. we're also following other news, the race for the white house. donald trump predicting more of his opponents will be dropping out of the race after last night's republican debate. something trump calls a, quote, beautiful thing. trump's campaign manager standing by. there he is. we're going to talk about what's ahead in the race for the white house. we're also following a story about a man who died in police custody after officers used a stun gun on him multiple times.
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busy day in presidential politics. now that their fourth debate is in the books it will be five weeks until the republicans next debate. that will be here on cnn. donald trump headed to new hampshire today predicting more of his opponents will drop out of the race, something trump is calling a beautiful thing. before we speak with donald trump's campaign manager, let's bring in our senior washington
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correspondent jeff zeleny. you had a chance to catch up with him in manchester, new hampshire, what did he say? >> he was very excited after the debate. he slept for one hour he said. attending the politics and eggs breakfast. usually a small affair but some 650 people were on hand for this. and he started out his speech i was struck by saying, you know, we started out at 17 or so, one by one all the candidates keep dropping out. it's a beautiful thing. so afterward we caught up with him to ask him exactly what he meant by that. you said it's a beautiful thing to watch these candidates drop out one by one. >> i think you'll see quite a few people starting to drop out. >> reporter: who's next? >> well, i don't want to predict. i think i know. but i don't want to predict. but they'll be a lot of people dropping out. i mean, they have to drop out. they're not resonating. >> now, of course he's been saying this again and again that people will be dropping out. a few have, but what i'm struck when you talk to him he's so confident in the moment. i'm not sure he necessarily won last night's debate, but he certainly didn't lose it either. he held firm.
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so he was enjoying himself this morning. >> he looked like he was happy on this morning after that big debate. >> he said he's going to start taking a bit of a different tone. we saw him take a softer tone last night. but he said once he gets out there and starts campaigning again he's going to keep aggressively challenging his rivals. >> thanks very much, jeff zeleny. let's get more on donald trump's plans, his campaign manager is joining us here in "the situation room." cory, thanks very much for joining us. give us your sense we just heard from jeff what is going to be the tone of donald trump going forward in the next few weeks? >> well, thanks for having me, wolf. i think number one what you'll see from mr. trump moving forward is to continue to outline his vision for america and what it means to make america great again. you know, just yesterday mr. trump put out a plan as it relates to china and currency manipulation and a way to stop that from moving forward. he's talked extensively about reforming the veterans affairs administration so that veterans have the opportunity to go to any hospital and get the best health care they need. he's put out a detailed plan as
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it related to immigration and second amendment and others. and he'll continue to do that so american people understand. >> some say marco rubio was a standout last night. >> i think he's the only person on that stage created jobs in the private sector, only had to meet his own payroll in the private sector, he understands what it means to have a strong economy, a weak dollar, what that means for trading partners, what it means for our ability to get money and to utilize the economy to the best of its ability. so mr. trump had a great strong night last night. every online poll showed that he was the clear and definitive winner last night, so we're very pleased with his performance. >> ted cruz, the senator from texas, he seems to be rising in the polls, he and marco rubio for that matter three and four behind mr. trump and dr. carson, cruz could end up being the, quote, anti-establishment
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candidate. does donald trump see ted cruz as a major threat? >> i think every candidate in the race is a potential threat. they all want to be the nominee. we're happy with the position mr. trump is in. every poll that's come out recently has him in first place. morning consult has him in first place. just yesterday reuters tracking poll has him in first place. recent polls in iowa and new hampshire and south carolina, mr. trump continues to do very well in those places. leading in all of those states. we're very pleased with where we are let alone where anybody else may be. >> he, donald trump this morning said he would build what he called a deportation force to remove illegal immigrants from the united states, all 11 million or so, before some of them would be allowed to come back to the united states. how would that deportation force work? >> well, i think first and foremost you have to remember we have to have borders if we're going to be a country. first what we're going to do is build a wall. mr. trump has been the only candidate to come out and talk about this. all of a sudden hillary clinton yesterday saying she wants to build a fence on the southern border to finally understand how much of a problem illegal
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immigration is. but let's just remember when our veterans came back from world war ii and there weren't many jobs, what did dwight david eisenhower do, he rounded up illegal immigrants and moved them out of the country so our veterans and people who fought for our country have the ability to have those jobs. it's time to put america first. as mr. trump's administration has said, we will build a wall, there will be a path for legal immigration, but there will be no tolerance for illegal immigration any longer. >> you heard john kasich and jeb bush say it's really not possible to deport 11 million people. that's not happening, to which you say? >> here's what i say. i say if that were the case then dwight eisenhower wouldn't have done it in the past. and the bottom line is it is possible. we have unbelievable resources. there's nothing more important to our country than the sovereignty we have. by allowing individuals to come into our country illegally we're doing a disservice to our own residents. and one of the primary functions of our government is to keep our country safe. by allowing illegals to come in
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and cause harm and many in cases death to our residents, we need to do something about that. we need to take the committed felons out, everybody out who's been here illegally and give them an opportunity if they're legal to come back into the country. >> you're going to remove the 11 million, but what about their children who were born here in the united states? what happens to them? >> i think the scholars on this have been very clear. the 16th amendment is very clear. we don't need to change the constitution. these anchor babies as they're called happen every day. we see it not just from mexico but around the world. a huge influx from asia where women are coming over in their third trimester, what they think are u.s. citizens by having children here in the u.s. and going back to their countries, this is a major problem that we need to stop. and it will only be done with the trump administration. >> i think you referred to the 14th amendment, right? >> excuse me, the 14th amendment, my fault. thank you. >> the 14th amendment, but so far the courts have said if the
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children are born in the united states they're u.s. citizens, at least so far unless there's a change of constitutional amendment. >> that hasn't been tested in a long time. i think there are a number of scholars have said that the 14th amendment doesn't need to be changed. it can be done through an act of congress. and i think that's the path we would pursue under the trump administration. >> cory, thanks very much for joining us. >> thank you. coming up, new concerns over vladimir putin's latest aggressive moves, not just in syria but in europe and even north korea. we'll update you on what's going on. and a man dies in police custody after officers use a stun gun on him multiple times. now his family is suing. they're demanding millions of dollars. the great beauty of owning a property is that you can create wealth through capital appreciation, and this has been denied to many south africans for generations. this is an opportunity to right that wrong. the idea was to bring capital into the affordable housing space in south africa, with a fund that offers families of modest income safe and good accommodation.
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we're following the aftershocks from the latest presidential candidates' debate. recent polls show marco rubio and ted cruz they're running third and fourth among republican voters nationwide. tonight senator rubio is opening a new campaign headquarters in the first in the south primary state of south carolina. cnn's sunlen serfaty has more. what's the latest, sunlen? >> reporter: well, wolf, marco rubio and ted cruz are running around neck and neck in the third spot nationally, but they are both putting up big strong debate performances and posing threats to the current front runners donald trump and ben carson which potentially sets the stage for a big cruz versus rubio battle ahead. >> the time to act is now.
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>> reporter: marco rubio hitting the campaign trail today in iowa. fresh off another widely praised debate performance. >> this election is not simply a choice between republicans and democrats. this election is a generational choice. >> reporter: among the florida senator's standout moments squaring off with rand paul on foreign policy. >> i know rand is a committed isolationist. i'm not. i believe the world is a stronger and a better place when the united states is the strongest military power in the world. >> marco, marco, how is it conservative -- how is it conservative to add a trillion dollar expenditure for the federal government that you're not paying for? >> are you talking about the military -- we can't even have an economy if we're not safe. i believe the world is a safer -- no, no, i don't believe, i know that the world is safer and better place when america is the strongest military power in the world. >> reporter: rubio also scoring points with his rhetoric. >> for the life of me i don't know why we have stigmatized vocational education.
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welders make more money than philosophe philosophers. we need more welders than philosophe philosophers. >> reporter: earning applause from the fact checkers ruled the claim false. rubio isn't the only senator to shine last night. ted cruz competing in the insurgent lane against donald trump and ben carson wasting little time going after the washington establishment. >> washington is fundamentally corrupt. there are more words in the irs code than there are in the bible. and not a one of them is as good. >> reporter: the conservative fire also slamming critics who say his immigration position is too harsh. >> the democrats are laughing. because if republicans join democrats as the party of amnesty, we will lose. >> reporter: cruz and rubio eclipsing party front runners who took more of a do no harm approach last night. >> we'll have a wall. the wall will be built. >> what doi have a problem with is being lied about. >> reporter: could the gop primary fight ultimately come down to rubio and cruz?
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texas senator recently told cnn's jake tapper it could happen. >> listen, i'm not sure it will come down to marco and me. i like marco. i respect him. he's a friend of mine. great guy. there are a lot of political observers that are saying that. and i think that's certainly a plausible outcome. >> reporter: and ted cruz also giving some hints last night that he could potentially be looking forward to that specific matchup given a preview of some of the lines of attack that he's already lining up against marco rubio if and when the rest of the field winds down, wolf. >> sunlen in south carolina. let's get more insight on how the debate may change the republican presidential race. joining us gloria borger, political commentator s.c. cupp, eric fehrnstrom. gloria, so ted cruz, marco rubio, are they emerging really as the anti-establishment, the establishment challengers to
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trump and carson? >> they're kind of hanging out there waiting to inherit the votes of other people whom they're thinking and hoping are going to fall flat on their faces, right? so you have marco rubio hoping to inherit george bush's -- jeb, excuse me, jeb bush's support, which is small. but the establishment wing of the party. and you have cruz out there saying, okay, if carson and/or trump fails, then i'm there. i'm going to get the evangelical vote that carson has and the anti-establishment vote that trump has. this is their hope. i think they both did very well last night for themselves. and so while cruz said to jake, well, i'm not so sure some pundits are saying that. this is the hope of their camp. >> you think, eric, that some of rubio's financial problems -- he's not a rich guy to begin with, but he had some issues going back over the years. is that really a serious issue in this campaign? >> you know, i don't think so,
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wolf. i've studied the news stories about that, i've heard senator rubio's response. and i don't think it's much different than if cnn gave you a corporate credit card and you incured personal expenses and reimbursed your employer for the cost of those expenses. seems to be much ado about nothing. the bigger point to make about this debate is nothing has happened, not last night and not in the prior three debates to change the trajectory of the race. did rand paul have a good debate? yeah, i think he did pretty well. he might have moved from eighth place to seventh place. we're so obsessed with what is happening to see who is going to be in third place in this contest that we forget what's happening at the very top. and in all the national polling, in every state poll that i've seen carson and trump are running one and two. which gets me to a larger point, these guys are not going to self-destruct. the successful nominee is going to be the person who can
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metdically disqualify his opponents while making a strong debate for his candidacy. that's what mitt romney did in 2012. and sad to say i don't think the establishment candidates as a whether or not he will have been able to do it thus far this year. >> i think he makes an excellent point, s.c. >> yeah. >> it's not just been a week or two weeks or months, but for a long time very consistently trump and carson have been leading the pack. >> yeah. you know, you can talk about their voters, their supporters, who seem to kind of close their eyes, close their ears and just stay the course no matter what disqualifying thing they say. but when it comes to the moderators at these debates, when it comes to the press, i mean, when it comes to the other candidates who are listening right next to ben carson or donald trump as they say something either patently wrong or kind of absurd and ridiculous, when is someone going to turn to their left and say, mr. trump or mr. carson, that makes no sense. it seems like they're so afraid
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to take the fatal blow. they'll take a whiff, jeb has taken a whiff and he's not landed a punch. kasich i thought took a whiff, didn't really land a punch. >> they sounded silly, right? deporting 8 million people. >> yeah, it's not silly, it's crazy. it's not just silly. and someone needs to really hold ben carson's feet to the fire on policy because he's been incredibly vague. and someone really needs to challenge trump on some of his, you know, harebrained ideas. >> did jeb bush do last night what he needed to do, gloria? >> well, he challenged trump. when you're talking about foreign policy and putin and russia. >> with some assists from carly fiorina and john kasich and marco. >> right. he said this isn't a board game. >> yeah. >> but as you know, and as we've seen jeb bush is not great on the attack. it's not his natural position. so jeb bush kind of mostly went straight ahead. he stopped the bleeding, i think, to a degree last night. and he was fine.
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i don't think this debate per se moved the needle at all. people who like carson still like carson. people who like trump still like trump. i don't think it changed anything. >> eric, did anyone really move the needle? obviously we haven't seen any serious polls yet. in the coming days we might see some major national polls, polls in the early states. but do you think anyone really move that had needle much last night? >> well, i think jeb bush helped himself. you know, not too long ago he was in a bit of a doom loop, wolf, where bad news seemed to be feeding on itself. he needed to exceed expectations in order to keep the press content and his donors happy. i think he did that. he did challenge donald trump. i'll give him credit for that. but i think he challenged on the wrong issues. you're not going to win a republican primary by attacking trump's position on illegal immigration. now, trump is a target rich environment for republican. he was in favor of partial birth
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abortion. he wants to raise tariffs. he's expressed support for socialized medicine. these are all issues that he can be challenged on forcefully. but it hasn't happened on a debate stage. and these candidates cannot outsource entirely their attacks to a super pac. it has to be done by the candidate himself across the board and on the debate stage. >> eric fehrnstrom, we've got to leave it on that note. thanks very much. s.e.cupp, gloria borger, thank very much. coming up, aggressive new military moves of russia's president vladimir putin. what's his goal of meddling in syria? and what about europe and north korea? also surveillance released video of a man died after officers used stun gun on him multiple times now provoked a major lawsuit. . i take mine in the morning. i was trying to eat right, stay active. but i wasn't reaching my a1c goal anymore. man: my doctor says diabetes changes over time.
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russia's military intervention in syria's bearing fruit for now relieving pressure on the hard pressed regime in damascus. president vladimir putin is also looking to step up his involvement in other world trouble spots. our brian todd is here with me in "the situation room." brian, u.s. can't be all that happy about putin's latest moves. what are you hearing? >> they are not happy. wolf, u.s. officials telling us tonight they believe vladimir putin is getting in way too deep, especially in syria. but he's also being very aggressive in europe and extending his reach into north korea tonight. we're told of growing concern that the russian president may be overextending. vladimir putin ratchets up his
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aggression and again teams up with america's enemies drawing new concerns from u.s. officials tonight. the russian president extending his reach and ambitions from syria to europe to north korea. in recent days according to russian officials putin's forces have turned up the heat in syria. russian air power helping bashar al assad's army recapture a military airport near aleppo. a u.s. official tells cnn tonight it's troubling that putin's boosting the strength of assad's military. human rights observers say russian warplanes killed dozens including more than 20 civilians when they bombed the isis stronghold of raqqa. that was just days after the downing of the russian passenger plane, which u.s. intelligence believes might have been bombed by isis in sinai. >> it's quite plausible if this was a retaliation against isis for the bombing of the plane. it makes a lot of sense to see it that way. >> reporter: other analysts say putin's stepped up campaign in syria is more of a direct challenge to america. >> every single bombing is a
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demonstration of russian military might and it's also a message to the united states you have to talk to me i'm going to blackmail you until you start dealing with me as an equal party in syria. >> reporter: u.s. officials say if putin continues to hit isis and works toward a political solution, they could actually embrace his campaign in syria. >> it's possible, just possible, we'll see, russia may play a constructive role in resolving the civil war. >> reporter: but putin's not stopping in syria. his anger's been building over the u.s.-led missile shield in europe. and now he's saying he'll construct a missile that can pierce that shield. >> translator: we will work on assault systems able to counter any antimissile systems. >> reporter: and tonight putin's military advisers are inside north korea for a secretive meeting with kim jong-un's top generals. could all of putin's aggressive military moves backfire at home? >> there isn't a danger for of losing public support at home
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because public support isn't an issue for a leader who controls the public, who controls the media. that affords him the possibility of fighting a dead end war or a losing war for a decade like the soviet union did in afghanistan. >> u.s. officials are telling us tonight putin may already be in that dead end war. one u.s. official tells cnn putin's improvised his way into a quagmire in syria. a u.s. military official says russia's making itself a target for violent extremists, is isolating itself and is making a huge strategic mistake in syria. and tonight, wolf, a russian official pushes back to us saying you can't call this a quagmire when we haven't lost any troops in syria yet. and he says the u.s. is trying to demonize the russian government with all this. >> brian todd, thanks very much. we'll follow that story. coming up, there's surveillance video now that shows a man being tased by police multiple times while in handcuffs. he later died in custody even though the incident happened in the doors of the hospital emergency room.
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custody. the video from the police dashcam believes with the officers picking 46-year-old lambert up at a hotel early a night in 2013 after 911 calls about noise. police decided to take him to the hospital for a mental health evaluation based on the way he was acting. take a listen. >> we're not locking you up. what we're doing here is we're going to take you to the emergency room and get you looked at and make sure you good to go. >> the situation quickly escalated from there once at the hospital lambert began acting erratic and tried to kick out the window of the patrol car before running into the hospital doors. this is video from the hospital and eventually lambert is on the ground handcuffed as the officers threatened to taze him if he didn't roll on his stomach. listen to this. >> roll over.
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get on your belly! roll over. >> get on your stomach. >> get on your belly. >> get on your stomach. >> the victim's family's attorney says that he was tazed multiple times but cnn could not independently verify the number of times he was tazed. instead of taking lambert inside the hospital, police decided to arrest him and take him back to the police department instead and once they arrived there, he appears unconscious in the backseat as we see right here. he was later pronounced dead at the hospital. the medical examiner's report says he died from acute cocaine intoxication. lambert admitted to the police he did cocaine but in the wrongful death suit, the family says the officers' callous disregard for lynnwood lambert in tasering him multiple times and depriving him of medical
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care he needed violated his constitutional rights to be free. they released a statement saying we are vigorously defending the case. the case is confirmed by two well-qualified experts in the field and the police also say linwood erratic behavior justified the use of the taser. we reached out to the police department to find out how many times he was tazed but the medical examiner's report said he had punctures from the taser wire. >> thanks very much, pamela, for that report. coming up, u.s. sources say intelligence is pouring over cell phone records to track terrorists that may be involved in the downing of the russian airliner in sinai. owning a property is that you can create wealth through capital appreciation, and this has been denied to many south africans for generations.
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happening now, isis clues u.s. intelligence officials are monitoring terrorist videos and cell phone videos who may have brought down a russian airliner. they are threatening new attacks. egypt's president says they have nothing to hide. will they get the access to crack the case. surveillance video made public in a multi million dollar lawsuit against police officers that tazed a man multiple times. he later died everyone though the confrontation happened in
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front of the hospital. trump's forest, a new twist in the immigration plan after drawing fire in the latest gop debate. did he come out a winner or lose? trump is sharing his take with cnn. we want to welcome our viewers in the united states and around the world. i'm wolf blitzer. you're "the situation room." tonight federal aviation officials are preparing to send a team to egypt to join the investigation in the plane disaster. egypt has given the green light for the u.s. to get involved in the investigation, this for the first time. the country's foreign minister accepted to offer here "the situation room." investigators are looking for hard evidence that might support a working theory that an airport insider planted a bomb inside the plane possibly at the direction of isis killing all 224 people on board. u.s. intelligence officials are
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reviewing the latest isis propaganda videos and investigations looking for clues of who may have brought down the plane. tonight, one of the videos contains the threat of new attacks. i'll ask senator james risch what he's learning as a member of the intelligence and foreign relations committees and correspondents and analysts standing by as we cover the news breaking right now. up first, let's go to our pentagon correspondent barbara starr. barbara, u.s. investigators could get a lot of important information if they have direct access to parts of the plane, right? >> absolutely, wolf. good evening. it is vital. they will look for evidence of explosive residue, any evidence of a bomb. egyptian president visited sham el-sheikh airport wednesday promising his government will hide nothing. >> translator: we will announce the results of the investigation
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with complete transparency and clarity. >> reporter: for the first time, the u.s. has been asked to get directly involved in the investigation of what brought down russian metrojet flight 9268. national transportation safety investigators on stand by to go to egypt. the first indication came from egypt's foreign minister telling wolf blitzer the government was willing to accept american personnel. >> they have to be given full access to the crash area site and they will under take the same and have the same accessibility to all of the international investigators. >> reporter: security still a question in the egyptian resort city of sham el-sheikh. cnn seen security personnel using hand held bomb detectors that british officials and security experts say just don't work. isis in sinai believe to be behind the attack released a new
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propaganda video, the speaker threatens attacks in egypt and israel but no mention of the metrojet crash. the pressure is on egypt to do more than just find the perpetrator. experts say especially given the tourism industry that egypt does not want to scare off. >> they need to take stock of what could potentially be a growing threat in the sinai potentially with this franchise of the islamic state growing in it's capability and capacity. >> reporter: all of which may explain the on going egyptian sensitivity to letting the outside world in to determine what happened in sinai. wolf? >> barbara starr reporting from the pentagon, thanks very much. we have more on one of theagand. comes from sinai where the
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russian jet went down and includes threats against egypt and israel. let's bring in jim sciutto looking into all of this. what do you make of the fact that there wasn't any specific mention of the russian disaster? >> to be fair this group isis in the sinai releases videos and hard to say for sure because of that and another message before two weeks before the attack in which this group threatened and called for attacks on russians in particular. when you look at this particular one, you see it's possible they didn't want to be drawing more attention to themselves. u.s. intelligence noticed social media accounts went quiet. they don't want to attempt retaliation and this group is not shy so it's unusual for it not to be waving the flag and
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saying we did this and taking credit for it. that's one thing they noted. >> tell us more about the other threats. >> this morning highlights the bread and butter. egyptian giving them two or three days. that's showing remarkable capability and sources to operate. so far as far as israel is concerned, that's another target mentioned in this latest audio message, they fired rockets. if you speak to the israeli military, they consider isis and groups most effective outlet in the region and they know their attacks are very professional. sometimes they involve more than 100 fighters and use anti tank and anti-aircraft missiles and car bombs. it's a capable and dangerous group and you know the israeli military, they don't lavish praise on groups without thinking about it. they watch the group operate against the egyptian military and say they are serious and
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professional. they take them serious. >> they certainly do. jim sciutto, thanks. joining us is james risch of idaho, a leading member of the intelligence and foreign relations. senator, thanks for joining us. i want to talk about jim's reporting in a moment but first the ntsb, national transportation safety board are supposedly on stand by to go to egypt to get involved directly in the investigation and haven't left yet. what is the u.s. able to do, for example, if they are not given direct access to the crash site? >> probably not much, wolf. it is obviously land that's under a solve earn. they are a good friend of us and we worked together on a lot and you have to give equipment credit. they have been remarkably successful in keeping a lid on the sinai for over 30 years, a very dangerous piece of ground between israel and egypt and so
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we want to work with them. i suspect they want to work with us. just like us, they have interest. one of the interest is they take in a lot of money from tourists that come to egypt and it's in their best interest to see that it wasn't a terrorist act that brought this plane down. look, it's really important that we put this facade aside. everybody knows what brought this plane down. everybody says let's take our time and what have you. there isn't a shred of evidence to point to anything but a terrorist attack and bomb on the airplane. why al i saying we need to move this on? it's a dangerous situation if we don't admit we have a soft spot and we do have a soft spot and it's the backdoor. the people who are in know, know this bomb was not brought to the front door of the airport and as a result of that, everyone needs to focus on the backdoor. in the united states, we have
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about -- in the hundreds of thousands of people that have access to the backdoor that includes baggage handlers and people that work in the concessions and includes people who deliver supplies to the concessions. and the u.s. isn't as much of a problem as when you go to countries that have large populations of radical islamist that want to hurt people and this needs to be -- people need to admit what happened here. we need to admit we got a problem. we need to admit there is a weak link in the chain and we need to do something about it. front door has been closed. there is no question about it. just closing the front door isn't good enough as i learned. >> when i spoke to the egyptian foreign minister 24 hours ago. he seemed frustrated the u.s. was not sharing intelligence with egypt, at least not yet. why would that be? >> wolf, there are a number of intelligence agencies as you
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know. there is a protocol for doing this and i probably ought not to go into that, but i think it is important that there is some sharing here. part of it has to do with how you come by information when you share some information, sometimes that discloses how you came by it and that can be compromising. so we'll get through this, i'm sure, but the egyptians have a lot of information right now and it's time that they step forward and said that what all things point to. they can reserve some amount of uncertainty if they want, but look, we need to move this thing forward and we need to all put our heads together and say we got to work on this soft spot. >> senator richard burr, the chairman of the intelligence committee, a man you know well told me he would expect russia
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to retaliate for this attack maybe in the next day or two. what are you expecting to see from russia? >> well, you know, that's a really good observation from richard. he and i and a lot of others have been talking about what is russia going to do? russia last night, as you know, suspended all flights into equipment for six months. that tells you that they know what everybody else knows. and given that, and knowing putin, i don't think he's going to back away from this. i think he's going to ratchet up rather than down and i think the people in the sinai responsible for this, responsible for this are probably thinking about where is the biggest rock they can get under. >> are you suggesting that the russians are going to directly go after isis in sinai or in syria? >> i would not be surprised to see the russians retaliate in
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just about any fashion. they work with egyptians and wouldn't do anything of usually without coordination with the egyptians, but should that happen, it's not going to surprise me. as we all know, putin is ruthless. he doesn't diter. i suspect right now he's looking at what his options are together with the people he trusts and the people who he takes advice from and they are making some decisions as to what's going to go forward. i think isis is, isis is awoken the russians to something that they haven't been awoken to before. >> yeah, i suspect you're right richard burr. i think he totally agrees. we'll see what the russians do in the next 24 to 48 hours. stand by, senator, much more to discuss. we're getting much more
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russian airline disaster. senat senator, as you know, the u.s., russia, iran, saudis, they met in vienna to coordinate strategy in dealing with the future of syria. here is the question, should the u.s. and russia be directly coordinating their military strategy to try to destroy isis? but that really is unlikely, at least it was until that russian plane was brought down. the russians may now come to the really serious problem for them particularly now that they entangled themself in the syrian mess. they should. we do have understandings and there are protocols as far as deconfliction with the aircraft flying there and they are i think satisfactory from keeping the planes from each other. they are not as far as what is
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happening on the ground. >> take a look at this graphic the tangled web. it's very tangled. how does this particular graphic show how complicated this fight is? >> first of all, credit where credit is due. we use this as a work sheet when we talk about these various things. this was produced by senator dan coats and his staff as we try to wrestle with this. you come away from these meetings and your head is just swimming over trying to get a handle when we're talking about one of these particular lines that's on this graphic. sometimes it's maybe two or three lines. i know this doesn't sound right but the graphic is really over simplified. there is 16 entities under there. there should be another 200 or so on there that's a combination of ethnic religious and triable groups that are also involved one way or another with these entities and with each other.
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in addition to that, what we use in front of us and i couldn't bring them along because they are top secret documents, we get maps regularly and shows how fragmented the country is and shows who control what is by themselves or together with somebody else and when you see all this, you walk away saying you can't solve this problem. it is unsolvable. we'll have to continue to focus on isis because we know isis is a group dangerous to the united states and can cause us great harm and reach out and bring down airlines as we've seen in recent days, and as a result of that, we've got to keep the pressure on. that's all done with the background of what we're trying to understand here. now the russians leaked today, i think it was early this morning, maybe last evening they leaked this so-called plan that came out of vienna that talks about bringing together all the groups
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and having elections in 18 months. wolf, that's delusional. when you look at this and you look at the fact there are millions of people that fled syria and are living in refugee camps in turkey and jordan and other places, you look at millions that have been displaced that are siltill in syria. it is flat delusional -- >> 11 million, senator, 4 million externally, 7 million internally. elections that seem farfetched indeed. we're out of time. very quickly, i just want to button up the headline. i'm hearing from senator richard burr, the senator of the intelligence from you and other members of the intelligence committee that you're bracing for a very tough russian response against isis in the next day or two, is that right? >> you know, wolf, i'm not going to go so far as to say a day or two but i will be surprised if
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they respond very clearly and with great force. >> i think you're right. i think they are getting ready to respond and you're not ruling out that response could even be directly in sinai. >> it could be. >> thanks very much, senator, for joining us. james risch of idaho. just ahead, donald trump and his republican rivals make dueling claims of victory in the latest debate. he's talking to cnn about his performance and plans to go on the attack and we'll tell you what we're learning about the surveillance video that shows police officers tazing a man more than once outside a hospital and later died in custody and a multi million dollar lawsuit is making its way through the courts. for adults with an advanced lung cancer
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tonight donald trump says he'll form what he is calling a deportation forest to carry out plans to boot 11 million undocumented immigrants from the united states. it's a detail he left out of last night's republican debate. the gop candidates are back on the campaign trail and playing up performances on the debate stage. let's bring in jeff zelleny. you caught up with donald trump and had an opportunity to speak with him. >> we caught up with donald trump as he took a self-declared victory lap and said it was a beautiful thing watching republican challenges drop one
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by one but that may be a bit of wishful thinking. some rivals in fact are likely to climb after another republican debate where trump often reseeded into the background as those deep policitive visipolicy ti provisions were front and center. donald trump set off in a victory lap. >> we started off with 17 and one by one by one they are disappearing. disappearing. it's a beautiful thing to watch as they go out. >> reporter: his republican rivals did go out to the campaign trail fanning across the country on the day after the fourth republican debate. then carson arrived in virginia. rallying young evangelicals at liberty university. >> acknowledge him and he will direct your path. >> reporter: bush, rubio and christie turned up in iowa doing whatever it takes even pouring coffee to win over republicans. bush picked up a veteran's day
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endorsement from bob dole. >> whose the person that can beat hillary clinton is what we need to think about rather than trying to get into small differences between each campaign. >> reporter: perhaps a not so subtle gab at trump that took part in a new hampshire tradition, politics and eggs. you said it's beautiful to watch these candidates drop out one by one. >> i think you'll see quite a few dropping out. >> reporter: what is next. >> i don't want to predict. i think i know but i don't want to predict. there will be a lot of people dropping out. they have to drop out. they are not resinating. >> reporter: trump told cnn he has no plans on softening his edge on the campaign trail. >> it's not doing speeches because i think people would be very disappointed if i was that way in a speech. i think during a speech, it's different and during a debate, you have to give other people a chance to talk. >> reporter: and talk they did. often loudly. highlighting deep divisions in the party on foreign policy. >> you cannot be a consecutive
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if you keep promoting new programs you're not going to pay for. >> we can't have an economy if we're not safe. >> the world is a better world when america is the strongest military power in the world. >> reporter: and on immigration. >> we're a country of laws. we either have a country or don't have a country. >> we know you can't pick them up and ship them across the order. it's a silly argument. >> 12 million legal immigrants to send them back, 500,000 a month is just not possible. and it's not embracing american values. >> reporter: today trump took his plan one step further. >> tell me the how are you going to have a massive deportation forest. >> you're going to have a deportation forest and do it humanely. >> reporter: later trump didn't say how a deportation forest would work. >> very humanely done, very important. >> how? >> it's a management thing.
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good management. >> good management. that's what donald trump is promising but many gop rivals say the immigration plan isn't a plan at all. the milwaukee debate highlights deep divisions inside the gop no closer to being resolved over immigration of course but also foreign affairs and spending but wolf, after spending a couple days talking to voters in new hampshi hampshire, one thing i can tell you one thing we heard again and again, who would be the most elective and that's what republicans are trying to make the argument on now. >> they certainly are. thanks very much. we got more to talk about. our national political reporter is joining us, as is our cnn director. david, who are the big winners in the debate last night? >> well, listen, the front runners are front runners. i don't think anybody happened that dislodged donald trump and ben carson from their front-running position. they didn't take damage incoming and didn't make huge mistakes.
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the big winners are marco rubio and ted cruz. they are candidates on the rise and their performances last night will propel that rise more. >> did jeb bush get a boost out of this because he did fine last night. >> he did and there is no doubt he did a lot of work towards stopping the bleeding, right? he had a performance that he was able to get on the phone with donors and say guys, i'm turn thing around. stick with me. there is nothing damaging last night but i don't think that debate performance alone is going to be the thing that is going to all of a sudden turn around the jeb bush -- >> let me ask jeff and mav to respond. do you agree? >> i do. i think jeb bush had a good night and xanaxed for donors and a good moment for this. i think it showed his ultimate thing is hillary clinton, hillary clinton, hillary clinton. it put that in the mind he can stand up to her but at the end of the day, he's not a candidate at the moment but it is still early. it is still so early to know. i still think if you have to put an absolute winner, i would say
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marco rubio followed by ted cruz but david is right, ben carson and donald trump are still, you know, probably going to be at the top of the polls for now. they will not fall down at once. this may be bit by bit. >> it's impressive how resilient they have been not just for a few weeks, for several months and looks like it will go on for awhile. >> yeah, absolutely. i think that last night in the debate ben carson had a fine performance. there were questions, a little confusion but clearly, these guy haves a very strong core of support and, you know, that's going to stick with them no matter what. >> he's still got a problem potentially, maeve you've been doing reporting. his dramatic rise as one of the
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front runners for the republican presidential nomination. the daily mail online reporting according to his mother, she threatened him with a hammer, not the other way around. how do you reconcile this? >> it's interesting that this new version emerged of the hammer story because that's actually the third version of the hammer story and we asked the campaign over the last couple of weeks to explain some of the differences in his earlier stories. it's always that this argument over clothes in one version there was no hammer. in a version that he told the commonwealth club he went after his mother with a hammer and now there is this article mentioning his mother where she's the one welding the hammer. we're trying to get clarification on that. we've been continuing to talk to classmates what trying to find eyewitnesss or friends and classmates who knew about violent outbursts he had as a youth before he says he found god and really learned how to control his temper. as you note in the tempted
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stabbing incident that he's talked about, that story shifted a number of times. at first, it was a friend that he was having an argument with over a radio station. then that person was described as a classmate that pushed him too far and now he's saying that that person is a close relative. so these are all questions we're trying to clear up and of course, dr. carson has said, you know, that all of this is irrelevant and happened a long time ago and he said people are asking him about things that happened in the tenth grade can go jump in a lake. >> you know, jeff, the hillary clinton campaign supposedly was pretty happy watching that debate because in a general election they think the position on immigration, that will help her. >> they were. they were definitely pleased by any immigration discussion, you know. it is something that they believe the demographics of the country are changing and right about that and that's why republicans who study these numbers a little bit more
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carefully are worried about this. it's still a little too early for the clinton campaign to be high fiving and no one knows that more than the clinton campaign in brooklyn. >> what was important, david, in the debate last night and maeve you wanted to say something? >> what made jeb bush's performance stronger last night is he really was making a more forceful case on the electability front. the guys on the stage talking about deporting immigrants, that they were going to have a lot of problems when you get to a general election and that's really the strong suit that bush has to play but it just doesn't play well with primary voters and he continues to try to walk that tight rope. >> david -- >> and jeb bush knows this is his problem from the beginning. you got to be willing to lose the primary to win the general. the questions that remains between now and january 1st, are
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caucus goers going to vote their anger and desire to send a message they want an outside here is never been involved with this before or are they going to go and think no, no, no, i want to think a winner that will be legislated president that will be. >> that debate, aspect, marco rubio and land paul had whether you're in isolation. >> libertarian streak, i think that that exchange did them both well with their support. >> i think you're absolutely right. thank you. we'll stay on top of this. the next republican candidate debate by the way will be right here on cnn. i'll be the mouth rderator. mark your calendar, december
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we're learning more tonight about the surveillance video being tazed by police multiple times. he later died in custody even though it happened at the doors of the hospital emergency room. his family is suing police for more than $25 million. pamela brown is here, tell us about the video and lawsuit. >> the video shows the man dying while in police custody after he was taken away from that hospital and tazed raising questions about whether police should have done more to get him medical treatment sooner. this police video shows three officers in virginia tazing a man outside a hospital emergency room. shortly after that man, 46-year-old lambert died in police custody. >> we're not locking you up. >> the video begins with officers picking lambert up at a motel early one morning in may of 2013 after several 911 calls
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were made about noise. >> i got ya. >> in court records, police say because of the way lambert was acting, they decided to take him to the hospital for a mental health evaluation. they say he made comments about murdering two people and hiding their bodies in the ceiling. >> we're going to take you to the emergency room and get you looked at and make sure you good to go. >> inside the patrol car, police say he kicked out the window. then the video shows lambert running straight into the hospital doors while handcuffed. >> get on your belly! >> he falls to the ground and the officers repeatedly ask him to roll over on his stomach while threatening to taze him. lambert admits he was on drugs. >> i just did cocaine, man. >> reporter: instead of taking him inside the emergency room, the officers take him to the police station. >> you're under arrest. stand up. >> reporter: the officers taze lambert multiple times.
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he's bleeding, apparently from breaking the squad car window. he was later pronounced dead at the hospital after going into cardiac arrest. the report ruled the cause of death as acute cocaine intoxication but the family blames the police and they filed a $25 million wrongful death lawsuit alleging quote the officers' callous disregard for linwood lambert for tazing him and depriving him of the desperate medical care he needed violated his constitutional rights to be free from cruel and unusual punishment. police denied the allegations saying lambert's erratic actions required the use of force. the police department says we are vigorously defending the case. our position is affirmed by independent well-qualified experts in the field. cnn tried to reach out to police that picked up this investigation after his death and we have not heard back.
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the medical examiner's report said while cocaine was a cause of death, there were three puncture wounds that looked like they were from a taser. cnn was not able to independently verify how many times lambert was tasered, wolf. >> pamela, thanks very much. i want to bring in don lemon and sunny hostin, a former federal prosecutor. don, let me play a little more of the video showing police using stun guns on lambert after he kicks out the police cruiser's window. watch this. >> i'm going to tell my mama who the guy was and room number. >> it's an emergency room. calm down. >> i know. okay, please. i'm not going to do nothing. >> okay. >> please. okay. good. >> it's coming to you, client, it's coming to you clint.
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>> so don, pretty disturbing video. this is all happening at the entrance of the e.r. over there in plain view of nurses, doctors, taken down to the ground. you hear the moaning. instead of taking him in the hospital, they take him -- they put him back in the car and take him back to the police station to the jail, if you will. does that make any sense? >> boy, this is a tough one because this looks awful. i don't like to see this breaks my heart to see anything like this. obviously the man is in distress. he admitted he had been doing drugs. he was acting erratically. the officer said they didn't want to bring him in because they didn't want him insinuated that they didn't want him to harm other people. the question is and i think once sunny weighs in is the use of the force at the time. it just from this video, from this video, it looks awful and
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we know from the investigation there is much more to this video than there have been to others from that they tazed him 20 times at least. they don't know if all of it got to him but tazing someone that many times appears to be excessive force. i don't know how they could have restrained him. i'm not a police officer. i don't know if he would have put other people in harm's way if he had gone into the e.r. i don't know how many people were in there. it looks like maybe doctors or something could have come outside to help the man but something could have been done where they -- since they were already at a hospital to help this man out and to get someone out there to get him under control. >> sunny, in another part of the video, you hear the officer, the police officer officer talking about how profusely lambert is bleeding and one saying he's bloody as a hog but not taken back to the hospital. the suit, the lawsuit claims wrongful death. you're a lawyer. what's your legal take?
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>> i mean, you know, i think this is such a clear case, quite frankly of excessive force. when you read the civil suit and the documents that are attached to it, it is very clear that he was tazed over 20 times over the span of half an hour, wolf. and it's also clear when you look at the federal guidelines for taser use that this is completely i lly inappropriate is excessive force. if you look at the south boston police department's own guidelines, those guidelines say that taser use is no longer justified once the subject has been restrained. now remember, he is running in handcuffs. he is clearly restrained when he is being tazed over and over again. in fact, the female officer that you see tazed him at least 15 times including ten times wolf, in a two-minute span. each taze is about 50,000 electric volts, so there is no
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question in my mind when you look at the federal guidelines, when you look at this police department's own guidelines and when you look at this video that this is excessive force. what is horrifying to me is that this case case has been open an under investigation with the prosecutor's office since 2013. i don't understand why prosecutors across our country are afraid to call it what it is. and call it like they see it. >> a quick question, the medical examiner in the autopsy says the cause of death was cocaine overdose, if you will, cocaine intoxication. not the taser. >> sure. and i will tell you that oftentimes as a prosecutor, when you are trying murder cases and you have a cause of death that doesn't support your theory of the case, guess what, you get another expert in there to look at the autopsy report again or
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to continue the investigation. so that's really not an excuse for the prosecutor's office not to act. >> it does look excessive. but my thing is -- and, you know, you can weigh in on this, they were at the hospital and i think at the hospital the video shows him shackling his feet. i have seen them come out of the hospital and they put them on a gurney and then they strap them down and give them some sort of a shot or what have you. so my thing is, if they were there and they thought he was acting erratically and didn't want to put other people in harm's way of this person, they could have brought some medal person out and strapped him to a gurney and given him some sort of a sedative. i don't know why they would ave taken him back to the police station when he was already at the hospital. >> i agree. if you look at the civil suit, it's very clear what the officer said. i think his name is officer
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clay. when he went in to the emergency room, the emergency room personnel said, are you going to bring him in here? >> officer mann. >> he said, we were. we thought he was crazy and then he tell us he was on cocaine. they made a decision about this person's character and because he had taken cocaine, he didn't warrant any sort of medical help, which is, i think, at the very least, just the most -- one of the most callous things that another human being can -- >> the importance of body cameras, this illustrates that again. >> there were other cameras as well. guys, thanks very much. don lemon, sunny hostin. be sure to join don later tonight. he anchors "cnn tonight" at 10:00 p.m. eastern. much more news coming up after a break.
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on this veterans day, president obama is urging everyone to honor the u.s. military long after this holiday is over. take a look at the tribute to the u.s. troops at arlington national cemetery. ♪ >> today, we gather once more to salute every patriot who has ever proudly warm the uniform of the united states of america. this year we mark 70 years since our victory in the second world war. we pay special tribute to a generation that literally saved the world. tomorrow, after the parades and the ceremonies, we go back to
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our daily lives for getting the bond between our veterans and our obligations as citizens that we will be doing a profound disservice to our veterans and the very cause for which they serve. what has always made us exceptional is the patriots who generation after generation dedicate themselves to building a nation that is stronger, freer, a little more perfect. on this day and every day, we thank you. god bless our veterans and your families and god bless the united states of america. ♪ ♪
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thanks very much for watching. please be sure to join us here tomorrow in "the situation room." i'm wolf blitzer in washington. erin burnett "outfront" starts right now. "outfront" next, rubio and cruz on the rise after their strong debate performances. can donald trump and ben carson still lead the pack? plus, metrojet 9268. how a split second of audio can solve the mystery. a special investigation. and a black man dies in police custody after being tased repeatedly. was it excessive force? you won't believe what you see. let's go "outfront." ♪ good evening. i'm erin burnett. "outfront" tonight, rising stars, marco rubio and


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