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good report. that's it for me. remember, you can always follow me on twitter. tweet @wolfblitzer. in the meantime, thanks for watching. erin burnett "outfront" starts right now. donald trump one on one, you'll hear the republican front-runner defend his plan point by point and you won't believe what he says about ben carson's plan and marco rubio. and terror attack kills at least two dozen people. a death of an unarmed black man repeatedly tased by police officers. let's go "outfront." >> good evening. i'm erin burnett. "outfront" tonight, president obama weighing in on donald trump trump's controversial
immigration plan. spelling out exactly how he would do it. now, president obama ridiculing that idea in an interview tonight with abc news. >> the notion that we're going to deport 11, 12 million people from this country, first of all, i have no idea where mr. trump thinks the money is going to come from. it would cost us hundreds of billions of dollars to execute that. imagine the images on the screen flashed around the world as we were dragging parents away from their children and putting them in detention centers and then systematically sending them out. nobody thinks that is realistic. but more importantly, that's not who we are as americans. >> republican candidates are slamming trump's plan as well. >> the question is whether you can round up and deport 11
million people. i don't think that's a realistic response. >> his views that he believes you can round up half a million people a month, a half a million people basically i think would double the number of people processed through our judicial system. it's not possible. >> the issue has catapulted trump to the top of the polls. he burst on to the scene this summer by talking tough, famously charging that some mexicans are criminals and rapists promising to build a great wall on the southern border. when i sat down with donald trump at his new york campaign headquarters a short time before he took off for a rally tonight in iowa. before we spoke about immigration, we spoke about his changing tone on the trail, about ben carson and the other candidates. >> donald, thank you very much for meeting with me. >> thank you. >> you are at the top of the national polls right now. you have held that place for months and months now. in the debates on the campaign trail, though, there's been a little bit different of a donald trump. dare i say more conciliatory,
nicer. >> isn't that a good thing? >> are we going to see more of this? >> i don't know. i'm the conciliatory person. i think i'm a nice person. when i make a speech, it's different when i debate. i think when i debate, i've gotten very good marks for the debates. there were seven and i won all seven by substantial margins. i think i have to be a little respectful. i don't think i should be cutting in like some people cut in. i actually helped jeb bush. i was saying let him speak when i looked at kasich. let mhim speak. the man couldn't speak. i think it's just been working out well. i've enjoyed doing the debates. i've had a lot of fun with it and i think we've done it very well. >> you're on top nationally and in some polls he's within a distance and some others he has margins ahead. >> somebody said who is your closest competitor?
i mean, they are all -- other than the ones in the absolute bottom tier and then people hanging around, it can't be helpful to them or their families or their brand, frankly. somebody said who is your number one? i think you have many of themes. you never know what is going to happen with a political campaign. i've been a politician for four or five months but i haven't done it from the standpoint of running for office. i've never done this before. i've created tremendous numbers of tens and thousands of jobs and built a great company but i've never done this. i would say you have three or four or five people i guess that would have a shot. >> and in terms of dr. carson, you've said some of the questions about his past are fair. there have been a lot of questions about what really happened, what his childhood was like. he's pushed back in the media. he said at the debate the other night, i have a problem being lied about. do you believe he's being truthful now that you've heard his answers? >> first of all, i like him. i get along with him very well. don't forget, this is in his book. i'm not bringing up anything
that's not in his book. when he says he went after his mother and wanted to hit her in the head with a hammer, that bothers me. i mean, that's pretty bad. when he says he's pathological and he says that in the book, i don't say that. again, i'm not saying anything. i'm not saying anything other than pathological is a very serious disease and he said he's pathological. somebody said he has a pathological disease. other people said he said in the book -- i haven't seen it. i know it's in the book -- that he has a pathological temper or temperament. that's a big problem because you don't cure that. i could say they don't say -- as an example, a child molester, you don't cure these people. you don't cure a child molester. there's no cure for it. pathological, there's no cure for that. now, i didn't say it. he said it in his book. so when i hear somebody's pathological, when somebody says, i went after my mother with -- and he's saying it about
himself with a hammer and hit her in the head, i say, whoa. that's a big statement. when he says he hit a friend in the face with a padlock right in the face, i say, whoa, that's pretty bad. when he says he stabbed somebody with a knife but it hit a belt buckle, i know a lot about knives and belt buckles. they are not going to stop it. they are going to turn and twist. they are not solid, especially if somebody has an extra couple of pounds on. there's a lot of movement. so the chances of somebody hitting a belt buckle where it slides -- >> you're not satisfied about that? >> i don't know. but when somebody said he's pathological, you'll have to ask him that question. look, i hope it's fine because i think it would be a shame. but think of it, what he's saying is these things happened. it would be nice if he said, no, none of these things did happen. he's saying, these things happened and therefore i have
credibility. and what i'm saying is, i would rather they didn't happen. i don't want somebody that went after his mother with a hammer. >> to be president? >> i don't want somebody, frankly -- i didn't read his book but, according to the book, he says he's pathological. that's a very serious term. >> so i want to ask you about the immigration that is going on out there. you put immigration front and center in the gop conversation. >> you wouldn't even be talking about immigration if it wasn't for me. >> you have put it on the table and you were criticized heavily at the debate, kasich, jeb bush saying that your proposals were -- >> they are weak people. i watched jeb today. they are weak people and case i can made a fool out of himself in the debate. what he said was ridiculous. everybody was uniform in the fact that kasich did a bad job with the debate. >> on this one point of deporting 11 million people, even marco rubio said this morning it can't be done.
>> marco rubio is in favor of amnesty and always in favor of amnesty and then what happened is when people pointed that out, he sank. >> criminal record, people like that deported. >> which is different. >> which is different than he was in the past he's much different. as far as criminal, if i win, you know, we have tremendous props. i just gave you an article where an illegal alien ran over today from texas a policeman three times. just kept running them over. look, we have problems. you have kate in san francisco. you have the veteran soldier that put this wonderful woman who is 66 years old, the retired vet who was raped, sodomized and killed by an illegal alien or, as they would say, an illegal
alien. it happened in california but it's happening all over. it's a big problem. crime is a big problem. you also have wonderful people here. >> but that's my point. >> they came here illegally. they are here illegally. >> but how would you do the logistics of it? how would you do the logistics? how do you take 11 million people and make them leave? >> it's all a package. number one, we're going to build a wall. >> okay. >> let's go through it. it's going to be a real wall and a wall that is powerful and that people aren't going to be going under or over or through it. we're going to get a lot of people coming in and they will all come in legally. we're going to get rid of the bad ones because we have really bad ones. gang members in l.a., they are 100% illegal immigrants. they are going to be gone and they are going to be gone fast and they are not going to be in
our prisons for us to take care of them. our prisons are bursting with illegals right now. illegal. >> what about the law-abiding majority. >> now we have people who came in illegally. >> yes. >> and they are called illegal immigrants and they are here illegally. they are going to have to go and come back illegally. otherwise, we don't have a country and if we don't do that, we don't have a country. they are going to have to go and they are going to have to come in legally, they are going to have to come in through a cities testimony. you have right now, erin, millions of people who want to come in to the country. millions. they've gone through documentation and all sorts of things and waiting on a list in some cases for years. >> yes. >> and it's very unfair to them. it's very unfair. now, you can do the work visa thing in terms of the grapes because i have people friends with the grapes and they may need people. >> for the agriculture? >> but to come here and stay here, you have to come in to the country legally. we either have a country or we don't. erin, if you want to be a citizen of mexico, you -- and let's assume you're a perfect
person. >> uh-huh. >> you could not become a citizen of mexico. it's the hardest place just about in the country, in the world to become a citizen. so -- >> but the question i'm asking, how do you take 11 million people and make them leave? >> you do it through a process, in a very humane manner. >> they are not going to want to leave. >> first of all, they are here illegally. if a person comes over the border and the border patrol sends them right back, there's not a big court situation. they send them back. >> yes. but what about the guy already living in detroit? >> what's the difference between somebody who comes over the border for two days, he gets caught and they bring him back or somebody comes over the border, he's here for a year and you bring them back? there's no difference. >> logistically there's a difference in terms of finding them and getting them to go. that's how i'm trying to understand what you do. >> you can do e-verify, where the employers are not going to be hiring them and everyone is going to go back. that's one way of doing it so you don't have a problem.
an employer has a big problem if he hires these people and they are all going to go back on their own volition and that's one way. >> after the break, trump is going to tell us exactly how he plans to deport the undocumented immigrants from this country. also, trump's secret service code name. why he think it is should have been something else. startling details about the last hours of this man's life. he dayed after police tased him multiple times. his sister is "outfront" tonight. isis claiming responsibility for another horrific terror attack. bombs killing at least 41 people, hundreds injured. we have a live report.
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take the stage any moment. first, i sat down with donald trump today before he left for iowa. before the break, trump said employers won't hire undocumented immigrants and that many would self-deport thanks to an e-verify system. he spoke about the impact of undocumented immigrants on the economy and that's where we pick up our conversation now. >> we have 100 million people right now that, in theory, could qualify n qualify for jobs. the 5.2% is nonsense. we probably have 25% unemployment if you look at it realistically and really. you understand that. >> i would agree, unemployment underestimates the problem. >> when i go out to make a speech, i was in springfield, illinois, the other day. i had 10,000 people. broke elton john's records and he's got ornaments and a band, okay? i broke his record. if we had a real 5.2%, i wouldn't have 10,000 people there. i wouldn't have 20,000 people in dallas. and i wouldn't have -- by the
way, the people of dallas, they know more about this than the people of phoenix, the crowds i'm getting, because we have a problem in this country. you know, my book, which is a book that discusses all of this, and also talks about solutions which is really very important but the book comes out and the book is doing well because people want the answers to -- i just don't want to be a critic. i want somebody to be -- >> which i understand and how do you find these people? i know you plan on e-verify. that hurt mitt romney with the hispanics. >> look, make it hurts, maybe it doesn't. in nevada, i'm leading with hispanics. you know who i'm leading with, the hispanics that are here legally. the way our country is run, if you're an illegal immigrant now, you're allowed to vote. they have a little city, a town or something in california where the illegal immigrants want to get on the town council. i mean, can you believe this?
the world is changing. >> i'm sure you'll say you can do it cheaper but the number is big. >> these are people that don't know what they are talking about. >> they say $600 billion. that's bigger than the department of defense contract. >> excuse me. they also say it's $15 billion to build a wall that i'll do for six. and by the way, my wall will be bigger and better and stronger and more powerful. let me just explain something. illegal immigration each year costs us between 200 and $300 billion. i don't know if anybody gives those numbers, probably not. so you're talking about between 200 and 300 billion, the way it is now. >> they pay in taxes, $24 billion in taxes. >> who pays in taxes in they pay very little. >> what percentage? 10%? >> $24 billion. >> don't be naive. sure, some probably do only because the employers are
insisting on it. but there's very little percentagewise, there's very little. probably 5%, 10% that pay taxes. they are here illegally. they are not paying taxes. i hear them all. what i do is i get things better. i make things really good. i fix things. i'm a real fixer of things, not jeb bush. i'm a real fixer. i can really do things. one of the reasons that the wall never got built, something was in the way. they couldn't get their environmental impact picture. here's the thing, between e-verify, which will take care of a big portion of them, can go back. if they can't get a job, they are going back anyway. >> so on this point about humanity, are you going to be sending in officers, a force of people in people's home to get them out? >> we're going to be giving notice. they have to go back to wherever the country is. it's going to be all different countries. it's not just one country.
back to the country. we'll take them back to the country. we'll do it in a very humane way. but between e-verify and other modern systems, a lot of that will happen automatic legal. we're taking tremendous amounts of jobs from people born in this country and you understand that because when you look at the roads, you have 100 million people that potentially want to work and they can't find jobs. >> they don't want to pick grapes, though. >> maybe not. you know what, we can solve that with work visas, where they come in and they work legally. they pay taxes and then they go out. i'm all for that. i think that's true. because i agree with you, they might not want to pick grapes. not their thing. he they don't want to do that. but we'll have a work visa where they can come in, work and then at the right time they have to go back home. >> marco rubio, you disagree with him strenuously on immigration but he is hispanic, he's obviously -- his parents are cuban. he has an inspirational story.
>> that's why he wants amnesty. >> would you put him as a vp on your ticket? >> it's too early to say. i like him. i've gotten to know him. it's one of the funny things because people say i'm rough on some of the candidates. i like them all. >> you understand when you call them a loser or -- >> i like the candidates. you know, i don't want to talk about vice president now because i want to win first. i don't believe in being one of these people that talks about things and nothing ends up happening. i want to win first. >> we're here in your campaign headquarters. i believe this is where you filmed "the apprentice." >> yes. >> people may think it's fancy and it's not. there are exposed pipes. >> it's high ceilings and when this is over with we'll have a fabulous company in this space and have rented in 15 minutes but i kept it empty so i could have this as our campaign. one thing you'll say, it's the
greatest location in the history of campaign headquarters. >> certainly the most expensive real estate. coming in here, though, something happened to me that hasn't happened before and that was secret service checks. you wanted it. your code name is mobile. you said you wanted it to be humble. >> i liked humble but they picked mogul and somebody picked it out. i think they had mobile but i would have liked humble because i'm a humble person. actually, in the debate it came out -- >> see, what i like about you, donald, you can laugh about yourself. >> what i'm not laughing about is the sad state of affairs of the country. i'm glad i'm running. you talk about so many other things you've mentioned. one of the things you didn't mention is corporate inversion because we have companies trying to -- >> use their favorable tax treatment outside of the united states. >> that's right. they are moving out of our country to other countries because they get more favorable treatment. we're going to lose a lot of companies unless we have
somebody very, very smart and understands what is happening. i will tell you something, most of the people -- they didn't even know when i brought up corporation inversions and versions. they didn't even know what it meant, what i was talking about. you're going to have to have a very, very good person become president because we have a lot of work to do. >> donald trump, thank you very much. "outfront" next, on why ben carson's past is a problem. >> you don't cure a child molester. there's no cure for it. pathological, there's no cure for that. and carson's campaign has just responded "outfront." you'll hear that in breaking news, next. disturbing details about an unarmed black man tased by the police. court documents show he called 911 asking for help. his sister is "outfront" tonight. if yand you're talking toevere rheumyour rheumatologiste me, about a biologic... this is humira. this is humira helping to relieve my pain
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want to leave. you're going to have to hire a lot of people to find them and get them over the border, right? >> first of all, they are here illegally. if a person comes over the border and they are sent back, there's not a big court situation. >> but what about the guy already living in detroit? >> excuse me. what's the difference between somebody who is here for two days and gets caught and goes back and then somebody here for a year and then goes back? there's no difference. >> athena jones is live at the rally. this is the first day that trump has had secret service protection. have you noticed anything different at the rally? >> reporter: hi, erin. absolutely. it's different than a few nights ago i covered a trump event, a rally in springfield, illinois, and people were able to come and go as they wanted. trump did not arrive in a motorcade. tonight, this is a theater that holds about 1500 people and it's packed to capacity.
people had to wait in lines to get through. they had to pass through magnatometers screening people for weapons. there's a lot more security around. and there was the usual secret service sweep with dogs. the longer the venue, the longer the wait. it's going to be coming back through those magnotometers. a different feel. >> thank you, athena. donald trump likes to interact with people and wanted secret service protection but obviously it creates some speed bumps he had not foreseen. "outfront" right now, jeffrey lord along with s.e. cupp and david gergen. good to have all of you with us. david, let me start here with what donald trump had to say about ben carson.
because ben carson's campaign is just responding, which i'm going to show with our viewers in a moment. first, let me show you what donald trump said when i asked him about ben carson's past and the stories that he has told. >> he said he's pathological. somebody said he has a pathological disease. other people said he said in the book -- and i haven't seen it, i know it's in the book -- that he has a pathological temperament. that's a big problem because you don't cure that. that's like, i could say, they say, for example, as a child molester, you don't cure these people. you don't cure a child molester. there's no cure for it. pathological, there's no cure for that. >> he went way over the line comparing or bringing in to the conversation child molesters. and using that as part of his argument against ben carson. that's so subject to
misinterpretation that you just don't do that as a political leader. he said this stuff about his pathology and so forth. we ought to stop talking about ben carson when he was 15 years old. he's had a long life and let's look at his ideas. they are far more important. i think that was out of bounds. >> jeff, let me share with you ben carson, one of his inner circle staff members has just responded to "outfront." we shared what donald trump said. "mr. trump saying someone pathological cannot change. are you kidding me? mr. trump likes dr. carson but mr. trump has resentment when he sees dr. carson rise. he lashes out like he did tonight." will he regret that comparison? >> i don't think so. when you listen to him, the way he said it, he just reached out for something he thought was pathological and used it. he could have used anything. certainly i don't think he was saying dr. carson was a child
molester. i think this is one of the things that gets overblown here. you know, dr. carson himself brought this up. he wrote it in his book. >> s.e.? >> i think dr. carson should stick to medicine and donald trump should stick to business. donald trump doesn't really understand what pathological means and you shouldn't diagnose ben carson. i don't think this is, you know, going to be an effective strategy. i'm not really sure -- it's interesting, because dr. carson's critics are trying to discredit him by suggesting that these stories of violence and redemption from his childhood didn't happen. meanwhile, trump is trying to reinforce that they did, which is a huge part of why dr. carson is appealing to his supporters that he went through this stuff and then, you know, became such a successful, accomplished doctor. so trump is essentially saying, no, they did happen.
he's pathological. and, in fact, he might not have, you know, emerged as a completely cured, normal person. i just don't think that this is a good strategy to try to siphon off carson voters, if that's what trump is trying to do. >> what do you say, david, to the case trump is trying to make on his immigration plan? when it came down to it, he said he's going to build a wall to keep new people out and for the people already in the country, he's going to use e-verify, some of them are going to self-deport and then some people are going to go and round them up but he said that would be done and they would be sending them notices and doing it in a humane way. is that something that should be being given more consideration or is it as absurd as the president john kasich, jeb bush are all saying? >> it's a terrible idea. i have great respect for mr. trump and i've spoken out frequently on cnn about his marketing skills. i think he has masterfully
handled that ind end of politic. but when we rounded up and militarized the immigration forces, we went out, hunted down immigrants, we put them in cargo ships, we put them in trains, on planes. we dumped a lot of them in the desert. as many as 88 died in the desert when they were dumped back in to mexico. that's so inhumane and the united states, americans will not permit 350epeople knocking doors and ripping individuals away from their families. in many cases, the immigrants of today, these illegal immigrants have been here for a decade or more. operationed wetback, by the way, back in the '50s. it's a deeply offensive idea i think to most americans to rip people apart and send them back almost -- the descriptions of what they went back, like slave ships that they went back in. what are we talking about? this is not a 21st century
america. >> s.e., at the debate when they were talking about a trade deal and donald trump obviously hates the pacific trade deal. rand paul jumped in when donald trump was talking about how china would benefit and said donald, i want to inform you china is not even in the trade deal. i spoke to donald trump about that off the camera and he said he didn't even hear rand paul criticize him. the bottom line is, he didn't say china would get in and benefit by the back door. we find out today that perhaps more than half of the american cars, they could say made in america, the products could come from china under this trade deal. is this something that donald trump can use to win? >> well, there's no question that donald knows what he's talking about on a few -- on select topics. i think china and trade are probably, you know, his strong suit and, unfortunately, i don't think he talks about those things enough. he veers off in these tangents about dr. carson's pathology and
other nonsense. he should absolutely talk about trade and china and when he has, i think he's done it very successfully. if i could just add something to what david gergen was saying about operation wetback, which is all about 100% true, it should also be pointed out that it was not very effective. in the very year that the eisenhower administration said was its most successful, there were still 250,000 deportations. 250,000 people still came over illegally during the height of this operation. it did nothing to stem illegal immigration. for trump's point of view, it makes no sense either philosophically or practically. >> thank you all very much. i appreciate it. next, another major story tonight. this man died after being tased multiple times by the police. he was handcuffed, not under arrest, though. now his sister is asking why no
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hospital. >> reporter: how did it come to this? according to court records at 2:48 and 3:18 a.m., lambert called 911 from a super 8 motel on the morning of may 4th, 2013. he was apparently suffering delusions and twice gave the 911 operator the wrong room number. officers responded but left when they couldn't find him. around 4:30 a.m., police returned for a third time to the motel and this time they found lambert handcuffed him and were taking the compliant 46-year-old to the hospital. >> what we're doing here is we're going to take you to the emergency room and get you looked at, make sure you're good to go. >> reporter: as police drive lambert to the emergency room, he becomes increasingly agitated. >> don't kick the window! >> reporter: at 5:00 a.m., as they parked at the regional hospital, lambert kicks out the window and runs in to the emergency room doors.
he's handcuffed and thrashing. at 5:03 a.m., two police officers tase him simultaneously. while on the ground, lambert tells the officers that he's used drugs. >> i just did cocaine, man. i just did cocaine. >> reporter: in total, three officers fired tasers at lambert. it shows the three officers used their tasers 21 times over the next 16 minutes. his attorney claims, in total, lambert received 79 seconds of electric shock. but tasers don't always make a fuel connection and cnn cannot independently confirm how much shock lambert actually received. at 5:19, police drive lambert to the county jail. at 5:28 a.m., police begin cpr but it's too late.
lambert arrives back at the same hospital at 6:06 a.m. where he is pronounced dead. the medical examiner found lambert suffered cardiac arrest. the cause of his death was listed as cocaine intoxication and the manner? an accident. now, the family of mr. lambert is bringing a federal civil lawsuit. they are seeking tens of millions of dollars in damages. lawyers for the city of south boston virginia and for the police there say their police acted appropriately, did not use excessive force, deny any of the claims of the lambert families and their attorneys. there's also been an ongoing criminal investigation into the police behavior for two years now. so far, no charges. but that investigation is still ongoing. erin? >> miguel, thank you very much. live in virginia tonight. and "outfront" now, linwood lambert, gwendolyn smalls and her attorney. i know watching this again, this
footage play out again has got to be very difficult for you. it does give viewers a sense of what really happened, though, and police are now saying the use of force was appropriate and necessary because your brother was acting erratic, he posed a danger that justified 21 tases. what do you say when you hear that? >> obviously they had to say that because they had nothing else to justify what they did to him. they have to say that it was justifiable. but as you look at the video, it's excessive force. it's more than what was needed for a man who was restrained. so that's just a story that they want to stick with because, that's what they do. they make up stories and stick with it. if they tell a lie long enough t. becomes their truth. >> gwendolyn, let's me ask you about the part where they pull up to the hospital and he kicks the glass out of the window. you can see the glass spraying everywhere and then he runs towards the hospital. is there anything there that
makes you think twice, perhaps they were afraid about the people in the hospital or any of tlaur justifications that would add up to you? >> that's just an excuse. because they were taking him initially to the hospital for a medical evaluation. so by him running to the hospital, he knew that those officers just didn't feel something in his soul just didn't feel right so, as you can see, when he was banging up against the hospital doors, it's because he was trying to open the doors on his own so he could get away from the officers. it just so happens that the doors did not open because, from what i was told, that only the employees can come in and out of that entrance. so why the officers took him to that entrance when they passed two other emergency wards is the -- something i would like for them to answer. >> all right. so joseph, let me ask you, the autopsy says linwood lambert died from a cocaine overdose. obviously i know you dispute this because you believe the tasers played a significant part in his death.
our dr. sanjay gupta says everyone reacting differently to cocaine. some people can go into delirium causing instant death. do you categorically believe that cocaine was not responsible? >> absolutely. we've consulted with world renowned pathologists. the amount of cocaine in his system was minuscule and hardly traced. as opposed to the hundreds and thousands of volts of electricity sent through his body on multiple occasions that does cause sudden cardiac death. we're talking about an analysis or a conclusion by the coroner that would be akin to saying, well, someone had a drink of alcohol and were subsequently shot in the head and the cause of death was alcohol intoxication. that's clearly not the case. the evidence will come out and
that is not true. >> gwendolyn, what do you see as justice? >> jail time for the three officers that killed my brother. i want they stripped of their gun and badge. they don't need officers running around trying to protect and serve citizens with that type of attitude. that's justice for us. justice for my family. >> thank you very much, gwendolyn for coming out and talking about this. joseph, thank you as well. >> appreciate it. "outfront" next a. major terror attack. bombs exploding killing more than 40 people. hundreds more injured. isis, again, claiming responsibility in its reign of terror. dicines may raise your blood pressure. that's why there's coricidin® hbp. it relieves cold symptoms without raising blood pressure. so look for powerful cold medicine with a heart. coricidin® hbp.
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day. jim shciutto is "outfront." >> reporter: the explosion struck during the height of rush hour. on an open market just south of beirut. coordinated, powerful, and deadly. first, one suicide blast draws a crowd of onlookers. and a second blast strikes that crowd. maximizing casualties. this man said he was praying when the blast blew a door right over his head. the victims carried by bystanders over rubble by damaged buildings and rushed to nearby hospitals. >> the twin suicide bombing went off. the area is mostly emptied, otherwise there is a lot of shattered glass on the street, a lot of blood and just a scene of
chaos and carnage. >> reporter: within hours, isis claimed responsibility. this neighborhood is a stronghold of hasballah, the lebanese militia fighting alongside bashar al-assad. >> isis doesn't think of itself as having borders. you say isis, i say isil and they want an islamic government covering the areas where the islams live today in the world. lebanon will be seen as another battle field. >> reporter: we're learning details tonight, two other suicide bombers involved in this, one of them killed before he could dead nate his own explosive and a fourth lebanese government tell us captured and arrested by lebanese security forces. we're told, as well, he told them that they were sent to lebanon from syria by isis, erin. >> jim, i mean, horrible that this happened and isis is threatening russia again after
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