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search for salah abdeslam. 23 are in custody after 150 raids overnight. >> as you see behind us right now, hearts and minds are in one place, remembering what happened. there's a moment of silence here and being reflected around the world. we'll show you it and observe it right now. [ moment of silence ]
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we're showing you pictures from around europe, obviously there is a very heavy silence that is being observed in respect of what happened here during the paris attacks and also a reality of the future that we all share, united in the war against terror as well. we've showed you president holla hollande. there's been singing of the national moment coming out of this silence. there are concerns facing the french president. he'll be speaking later today to
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address what happened overnight both at home and abroad with french capabilities. he's facing questions of what will this mean? what happened here now. he's been using very specific language, that this is an act of war against france, that it's not just political hyperbole. it enforces and allows a state of emergency that we are told will last at least three months to get them through the holidays. >> now you can hear everyone clapping after the moment of silence. there's something so poignant about the moment of silence being broken by applause and by the singing of the national antha anthem as we heard president hollande. that's the triumphant spirit that will come back here to paris. >> we saw this after charlie hebdo as well. the french are grandfathers of our own sense of democracy in the united states. they are uniquely beholden to the idea of personal liberty and freedom. it shows their resolve here but also their challenge going forward. let's go to clarissa ward. she's our senior international
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correspondent, obviously, in paris, following the investigation. clarissa, you have been very frank in laying out the propositions before the french people in the seat of their own government, which is how do you deal with a threat that's growing fast every than your capabilities, faster than your ability to recognize it as we saw here all too recently? >> reporter: that's right, chris. you can see behind me people here still observing this moment of silence. you could hear a pin drop during the last few minutes. everyone just trying to take a moment to process these horrifying attacks, people just quietly, respectfully bowing their heads and trying to make sense of this senseless and horrifying crime. now, we've had a lot of information coming in over the last four hours. i just want to get it right for you. france's interior minister has said that 23 people have been arrested in more than 150 raids early this morning. more than 100 people are now
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under house arrest. and this is on the heels of france's prime minister who said that he believes these attacks were, quote, organized, conceived and planned inside syria. we now know four of these attackers were french nationals, at least three attackers had spent time in syria and the focus here in france and indeet across the european continent is on finding that eighth attacker, you'll remember isis said that there were eight attackers involved. french officials had said that seven attackers had been killed. really, the focus now is on a man called salah abdeslam, he is the brother of one of the attackers who blew himself up at the bataclan theater. he was detained briefly for questioning a few hours after the attack, reportedly driving towards the belgian border. he is very much the focus but certainly still a lot of questions here. people desperately trying to find that eighth attacker. chris? >> clarissa, we do have breaking
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news for you and our viewers on that front. right now, near brussels there's an active standoff. police have blocked off a industry in the suburb of molenbeek. it's an area that's become a hot focus in this paris attack investigation. it's home to several of the suspects and perhaps the eighth terrorist who fled. we go right now to cnn's nema albagar. >> reporter: we see anti-explosive robots. we've seen bomb squad officers were they're heading towards the house that seems to be at the center of where those officers are standing. the reports we're hearing is that salah abdeslam is the target of this active standoff. he's the target of this manhunt, that eighth attacker. you can see that it's a pretty intensive police presence. a lot of plain clothesed officers in addition to the
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reinforcement. a little closer to that house. we've also seen sniffer dogs enaambulance enand ambulances an a fire truck further back. this is one of two incidents going on in brussels. the european commission has evacuated its offices closer to downtown brussels where there's concern there is also a situation that might involve explosives. belgian authorities have sent the bomb squad to there as well. it is absolutely becoming very clear, alisyn, that all active roads, all active lines of investigation in the paris attacks are leading back here to molenbeek, an area that's been long a point of concern, not just for authorities here in belgium but for authorities across europe. chris? >> all right, nima, this is a situation, this eighth terrorist could be equipped with a vest.
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two concerns here, one for safety and also investigatively. these vests were made of a highly volatile chemical composition called tatp. it was made locally, literally ingredients out of a supermarket. it doesn't transport well. that fed an understanding that this plot was done here locally as well as externally. this look for the mastermind not being someone killed in the attack is of equal concern. here's what's most important. what happened here could happen anywhere in the world. that's not to scare you. that's to wake us all up to the reality. certainly world leaders understand that and at the g-20 summit right now, the agenda that was planned has been scrapped. president obama was seen huddling specifically with vladimir putin during a break. their heads bowed in obvious intense conversation about what needs to be done next. putin came out saying the world needs to unite in this fight against terror. let's get to cnn's michelle kosinski. she's in turkey, the site of the
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g-20. what's the latest? >> yes, we'll see how much coordination there is there. the u.s. and russia seem to have very different ideas of whom to target in syria. but yesterday we heard from the president's deputy national security adviser who said that the paris attacks do demand more urgency and more resources from the international community in response. now, more is what the u.s. has been looking for from the other countries in the coalition for a long time now. but this also includes the u.s. so what can we expect to see from the u.s. response? more air strikes, we're told, as well as more targeting of leadership. we have seen that step up in the last week or so. but we're told that that will increase because those are the individuals who have the capacity to direct attacks abroad similar to what we saw in paris. when you look at what happened overnight with a french bombing raqqa, we know that the u.s. has been helping them coordinate over the last two days what
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exactly to target. and every day the d.o.d. sends a list of what was targeted overnight. when we looked this morning we saw there was one u.s. air strike in raqqa overnight. but what was interesting, too, the targeting in syria of more than 100 isis oil tankers. that's something we haven't seen before. we know it's part of a new effort to really get at isis's funding. that was a plan in place, though, before the paris attacks. but, again, from the administration we're told we can expect to see more. will the strategy itself, though, shift? or is it more of what we've been seeing? we're expected to hear from president obama today. surely he's going to face that question and many others. back to you. >> all right, michelle, obviously, this isn't just about the awareness of the risk. it was about the political will. that's been a big part of whether or not we have what we need to do more in syria. we being the united states and the coalition. now with the inclusion of france, now with what we saw
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here, not just as a threat to paris specifically but this could be a major city in many different places. isis has outlined that threat, the vulnerabilities are clear. that's leading to a new political reality and we're seeing that reflected in bombings overseas. wee s we're seeing them from people at home themselves. let's bring in paul cruickshank. >> tell us what the latest is. >> this comes from a journalist that is a journalist at a newspaper. the information suggests that salah abdeslam, the suspect at large they've issued this arrest warrant for is probably in belgium because he drove back to belgium the morning after the attacks. he was actually picked up in paris by his brother who drove all the way from belgium to paris to pick him up and take him back to molenbeek in
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belgium. it may be this standoff we're seeing in molenbeek right now, that may be him that they're trying to get. it's unclear at this point but the information from a newspaper suggesting that he's back in belgium. >> what about reports they were stopped by law enforcement but somehow slipped through? >> one of them was stopped about three hours after the attack as he was driving back from here to belgium. the thing is, at that point, they didn't know he was a suspect. a few hours later, as it would turn out, they would identify from fingerprints that one of his brothers was a suicide bomber, i believe in the stad de-frande fran france attacks. >> we know two of the attackers were known to police before these attacks. one from 2010. he was known to have been radicalized. they didn't know he was involved in terrorism necessarily. the other was, for a time, on a terror watch list. this gets to the larger issue. we talked about a lot. we talked about this in january
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with charlie hebdo. 5,000 jihadis in this country. impossible from a resources perspective to monitor all of them. they are on a slying scale, getting to the point you might make a judgment that they're about to carry out a terror attack. that's a judgment call they have to make all the time. here, their judgment was wrong. can everyone get that right 100% of the time? impossible. >> the information suggests that salah abdeslam, the guy on the run, participated in the attacks in paris, they picked a guy that looked close to him in resemblance to him up on cct participating in the attacks. he's thought to have participated in the attack on the restaurants. at a certain point he's believed to have dropped his brother off, ibrahim, who blew himself up. for some reason he didn't detonate his vest. either he chickened out, so to speak or it didn't work.
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he calls his brother up in brussels, come and pick me up with be i need help. they managed to trace that call after the fact. they've established the fact they called his brother. the brother then drove all the way from belgium, they picked up the car up on cct on the motorway going to france at about 3:00 in the morning after the attacks. he picks him up, brings him back and at 9:00 a.m., according to the parisian newspaper, they're stopped. the routine stops coming in from the belgian border from france. at that point they don't know he was involved. it was only later that they did the examination on the car outside the bataclan that he rented the car and they've just stopped him and let him go. they tell the belgians, good in, move fast, arrest these guys. that's why we saw all the arrests in belgium. but by that point he had escaped, presumably somewhere in brussels. >> if it is true they captured what they suspect might be the
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eighth attacker, what value that is to the investigation to have an attacker alive. the big question here is how did french authorities, considering the terror alert level they have in this country on any day, particularly following charlie hebdo missed what is turning out to be a massive international and complex ring involving france, belgium, ties back to syria, presumably communications among those places, physical movements. many opportunities. >> one of the big things is we're all hearing from the military community here and the police community here as these vests are huge key to how this was planned and by whom and where. because, again, this tatp is something they believe had to be made locally. could be made with ingreed ynts found in a supermarket. you have to know how. it can't be transported because of its volatility. this guy should know the ans to that. >> you and i dealt with the new york police department, the nypd. the ingredients for a tatp explosive, they monitor purchases of that like in hardware stores, things like
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acetone and so on. they have a division looking for that because they know that's one use for it. now, that's very hard to do. there are a lot of stores that sell this kind of stuff. it's basically nail polish remover. how do you do it? that's the level of alert you have in a city like new york. >> that abandoned car, they believe that belonged to salah abdeslam, that he was driving that car. they didn't find suicide vests in that car. there may be a missing suicide vest. there's concern he may still have those explosives, he's still at large, still dangerous, perhaps involved in the standoff in brussels right now. a missing suicide explosive vest, investigators believe. >> paul, jim, stick around. obviously we'll come back to you. there's so much breaking news from here, from paris. there's also headlines in new york. we get back to michaela. >> chris, alisyn, we appreciate that. hundreds of mourners came out in california to remember
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the college student among the 129 people killed in paris. friends, family, faculty and communityers filling the community building to honor nohemi gonzalez. she was studying abroad in france. she was killed in the attacks. she graduated from wittier high school in 2010. american flags across the will be at half-staff most of the week out of respect for the victims in paris. president obama ordered the flags at the white house and federal buildings lowered until thursday night. u.s. military outposts and embassies around the world will also fly the stars and stripes at half-staff. those are your headlines from here. let's go back to paris, chris and alisyn. there's so much happening right now with this investigation, so much recognition of pain and sharing of that, behind us and around the world but also of a new reality of the threat.
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we have breaking news on several fronts in the situation surrounding the paris attacks. we have all of them covered for you. there is information about bombing overnight in syria and iraq that is obviously france-led as part of the response to what happened here just days ago. there are also raids overnight, discoveries overnight here, arrest and an active police situation right now in brussels where they believe they are dealing with who might be an eighth attacker. there's also talk about the mastermind of this not having been killed. let's discuss it all. we have chief international correspondent christiane amanpour, jim sciutto as well with us. what we're hearing, let's start with the urgency of what's going on in belgium right now, christicris christiane. >> the eighth attacker, they let him slip through their fingers the first night. he wasn't really a suspect yet, they didn't know. he's considered one of the major
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people still to be caught. here in france overnight, they've done something they haven't done for a long time. they have dozens and dozens, hundreds and hundreds known to them, petty criminals, radic radicalized jihadists. they have 23 under arrest, 19 heavy weapons have been cleared out from these houses. >> like a rocket launcher. >> yes, a rocket launcher, heavy machine guns, ammunition, all of that kind of stuff. the authorities say we are at a state of war. >> the attackers were believed to have been wearing these suicide vests, most blew themselves up. he ran away. so interesting they might be able to get him and connect some dots. >> this is a real focus of the investigation, one on that suicide vest. there's one missing suicide vest. either it didn't work or he chose not to use it. that's a possibility. assuming they get him and assuming their assumptions are correct, they have the eighth attacker alive who they can ask
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questions about how they managed to put this all together. basically what they're doing with the raids overnight, they're doing preventative detention. there are folks in this country who have argued that they have to do that in advance. the trouble is, you can't do that in a free society. you can't round people up when they haven't doning in wrong. the number of folks that they have to track here really virtually impossible. >> the thing is they have done something wrong. they are holding weapons that are not allowed by lay. many of these people who they raided are known because of radicalization. >> they haven't committed -- not all of them committed a crime. >> except for many of them have committed petty crimes, drug trafficking and stuff likeink between petty criminals, certainly in our country -- >> what they called banditry in the press conference. >> it absolutely clear. >> they have strong search and seizure laws here. >> under a state of emergency they can. under the terrorist laws they can. >> that's why hollande and the
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interior minister were careful to use this language, "we are in a state of war." that gives them operative legal effect. they have a bigger population they're dealing with here than in the u.s. that cowl be rat ul radicalized. fair. two of the guys that died here in paris were known to them. explain what the insistence is that we have to do more. >> one was known to have been radicalized in 2010. what does it mean? he was in touch with people via jihadi forums, et cetera. but at that point they made a judgment not a nexus of terrorism. another one had been previously under investigation for terrorist activity. a step beyond that, right? again, this goes to those judgment calls. you can have committed a petty crime but not terrorism. right? you could have been in touch with terrorists but they don't know for sure that you're going to take the next step and go into terrorism. that's the judgment call they have to make. i always think of this, think in the states, 5,000 here, we don't
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have anything close to that number, dozens, perhaps hundreds. this is an order of magnitude larger of a problem. >> one of the big issues, obviously, is that we're learning almost half of these people who were identified involved in these attacks have been to syria. that was the blow-back fear from our intelligence services all over the united states and europe. >> yes. >> people who have gone over with their passports, come back undetectable because they have national passports. >> all right. breaking news right now. >> it says that the belgian raid fails to capture the eighth suspect salah abdeslam. special operation forces made an arrest but failed to apprehend the man that they were looking for that they believe to be the eighth attacker. >> look, we've been hearing from intelligence officials this morning when the first news of the raid came out that they didn't expect to get this lucky this soon. here's the plus/minus on it. they believe obviously when someone is heavy on the lam and people are in hot pursuit, there will be people less likely to give shelter and protect.
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they believe they have an advantage. that said, they believe there's a population in belgium and here and in and around paris that is involved with these kinds of activities and they are up against a larger threat. he couldn't be more important than he is right now. >> you know, per capita, the most number of jihadis going to syria come from belgium. >> this is the other point. there's a lot of talk about closing the borders to jerefuge. you know the political sensitivities of the refugee issue. the fact is when you look at this, a number of the attackers were french, from france. the idea that you could put up a wall that doesn't get rid of the problem because you have a home grown population here. you talk about not just the attackers but a support network around them. >> you put your finger on the hot issue for the united states in terms of political election, popular concerns. refugees. we know that there's an infiltration now. what will that mean? what does that mean for the threat you face at home in
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friday's attacks in paris were not just horrific but they were coordinated and missed by french intelligence it's raising questions to whether something like this could happen here in the u.s. juliette kayye mem joins me. based on your time with the department of homeland security, what's your biggest concern
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right now? >> it will obviously be self-targets. this is clearly where isis is focusing. it will be any major event, any institution that has symbolic meaning. quickly, we never talk about perfect security. anyone in homeland security or emergency management, all we can do is minimize the risk and fortify the vulnerabilities. in a society like ours, you're never going to get fortress america. we're too big, too vast. you try to lower the risk and for theny things like soft targets. the challenge in the united states, even if you fortify the soft targets, there will be other soft targets you didn't fortify. >> it's a question of resources, too. how do you manage all of those soft targets in a place the size of america. let's talk about the fbi. we understand they're stepping up surveillance of known isis sympathizers.
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>> that's the most remarkable thing of what happened, the fbi rarely announces a lot. >> right. >> they did that purposefully. the reason why is because there are so many people who are what i would say flirting with isis. they're online, figuring out what's going on. they're sort of intrigued by isis. what the fbi did was essentially said, this is no joke. we are serious. we are -- all of you who think you might be interested, we are going to be watching. the fbi can focus their resources on the people that we're really worried about that are becoming radicalized online or leaving the country and getting trained. this was a statement to the world, more than just we're going to increase this investigation. them doing it publicly is fight uniq unique. >> it certainly is. we know, we are learning information moment by moment. we know one of the terrorists arrived in europe october 3rd amongst the refugees.
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the influx of people leaving war in syria. i'm curious about the concern here in the united states, the question of bringing syrian refugees here. there will be a lot of people who will freak out and say we can't get anybody in. how can we manage the humanitarian crisis and then make sure those people are aptly screened. >> just a month ago, people were saying it's taking too long to bring in the refugees. it's an 18 to 24-month process. people can debate this as a policy but just to talk about the substance and the process very quickly, it's very different than in europe. we have a formalized process that goes through a resettlement office in the state department. it then, making sure that the refugees satisfy legal status, it then goes to a is he strong verification process, biometric information, interviews, health requirements. and then after that, there's all these organizations that are called resettlement organizations who seasonally have to vouch for the refugee,
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either their family members or others who know the refugees. so it's a longer process. >> right. >> we're not talking about people are coming in tomorrow but in the next 18 to 24 months is essentially how long that process takes now. >> i reckon we'll be talking about this a lot more in the days and coming weeks. thank you so much, juliette. we head back to alisyn in paris. >> as a result of the attacks here, the u.s. promising to accelerate efforts to wipe out isis. russia says it's time to do the same thing. they say it's time to unite to defeat terror. we will speak to a french senator about the international cooperation and combatting radicalizati radicalization. that's next. [meow mix jingle slowly anright on cue.cks] [cat meows] ♪meow, meow, meow, meow... it's more than just a meal, it's meow mix mealtime. with great taste and 100% complete nutrition, it's the only one cats ask for by name.
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welcome back to a special edition of "new day" out of paris. we are following breaking news out of belgium for you. police just wrapping up a raid in a neighborhood of brussels. there were special operations forces out in force but they failed ed ted to apprehend sal abdeslam. the elusive eighth suspect in friday's terror attack in paris. over 100 people under house arrest, 24 people in custody. all sorts of equipment and weapons have been found as well. the french launching air strikes also against isis positions in raqqa, syria, with the help of u.s. intelligence. millions pausing across europe at the top of the hour for a moment of silence to remember the victims of friday's attack.
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now to chris. >> the emotion is obvious, the pain is real. you hear sirens behind us. this is the new normal in paris. i'm joined by senator natalie goulet. you know the world is with you here right now. the deeper question for you is, what will be the new normal? you've been outspoken about this. there's a unique balance of security and liberty in france. is it time for a new normal in terms of the aggression and tactics against potential terror? >> well, you know we have regulation enough to fight. we have strong will. i have no doubt about the will of the president, the prime minister and office of interior. what we need is a lot of money, more police, more intelligence, more cooperation. that's really the very necessity. then we are now facing a state of emergency as you know, which
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is very unique in our life. we also will have election under a state of emergency. and that creates a lot of interrogation for us. >> we're told that a state of emergency will last at least three months. >> after christmas. >> to take you through the holidays, after christmas. you haven't had one since the north african war here in this country. is it justified? is it justified to extend even beyond that? first let's talk about the risk. france is uniquely vulnerable by geography, by population and by disposition. we know that isis has named france as a main target. why do you believe that there are so many more potential jihadis here than in other european countries? >> first, we have a lot of french foreign fighters. >> why do you think? >> because we have -- you know, we do not recognize communi
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communitiaryism in this one. we probably miss integration. >> what does that mean? >> miss integration of the muslim community. we miss integration. a part of them do not recognize the french. there is a breach of cities and link. you know, talking about redrawing the passport but they don't care. they don't feel cities are that old. with french foreign fighters when they are back, they are trained, their mind is set to fight against -- we have almost more than 7,000 people under surveillance. >> you know members of your military and police forces believe they need more tools legally, that they want to be able to detain people more like what they did overnight here,
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taking 23 into custody, 104 under house arrest. they believe that the balance of security and liberty has to change. do you think there's the political will, even after what happened here recently, to change that? >> i think we have to be very careful, with a balance between security and liberty. what i think is that they need more money. they need more tools. that is for sure. but with the need, it's more cooperation. and more understanding. you know, we need more staff. we cannot put somebody behind any people on the survey -- >> it's too much. >> it's too much. we just cannot do that. but at the same time, what we miss is tools for intelligence services. we need more data babases. we need to be able to cross the data, which is forbidden. we don't want any guantanamo things. we don't want emergency
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regulation regarding the civil situation. >> every time something like this happens, hopefully it's very rare but as we all know, the practicality is it can happen, the needle moves a little bit and people become more aware. >> you know, i think it's one word that nobody pronounces right now, prevention. let's say you have the money and regulation and staff enough. okay? let's put that on the side. if you don't solve the prevention, if you don't prevent the people to go on the verge of radicalization, you will feel the connection. we need absolutely to preven. we need to have a big cooperation with the muslim community. they help the police,
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administration, civil servant to prevent the youth people to go on the verge of radicalization. >> we also have to -- that government, the last ten years -- >> right. >> army, police, yelling to have more budget and it was a first to get it. >> right. >> we have to fix that situation and that will be solving one day. >> senator nathalie goulet. >> i did my best. >> president hollande as the senator says will be speaking. france has made good on its threat to attack the french citizens. they are launching new air strikes in raqqa and syria with u.s. support. we'll talk in a moment with a former nato supreme allied commander about how effective that air campaign was and what
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the french launching air strikes against isis targets in syria over the weekend. this, of course, in response to friday's horrific terror attack in paris. what kind of response is needed from the world? let's bring in former supreme allied commander and nato, admiral james saveritis. he's the dean for the admiral's school at tufts university. do you have a sense of what the french air campaign against raqqa has been thus far? >> i think it's symbolic and a start. it will certainly degrade and kind of push the islamic state out of their planning mode and
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put them into crouching and survival mode. there's a lot more to be done. the strikes again the oil trucks that are carrying fuel, which is the money for the islamic state. we'll need to go after both military and economic targets to really begin to choke off the islamic state. >> president hollande promised retaliation that will be merciless. whatyou think that will look like? >> they should go to nato and invoke article 5 of the nato treaty, which states an attack on one nation is regard as an attack on all nations. if they do that, that opens the door for a nato campaign against the islamic state. that would amp up significantly the level of strikes. it would include more special operations were more intelligence, more trainers, boots on the ground.
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not 150,000 but say 15,000, to stiffen the land force, the kurds, the iraqi security forces. over time it would unlock the turkish army, second largest in nato. because we are going to have to do this ultimately on the ground in syria, unfortunately. >> and admiral, do you think nato is prepared to offer a robust response like that? >> the jury is out. i think we'll know more over the next couple of weeks. i think a good analogue to look at is back in the mid-'90s in the balkans where you did see an extremely robust nato response that included 50, 60,000 troops into the balkans. and let's not forget as recently as two years ago, nato had 140,000 troops in afghanistan. so the will could be there, we'll know more as the week goes on, alisyn.
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>> admiral, we've heard time and again that isis is about an ideology. you can't kill an ideology with bombs and bullets. do you believe that? >> i think that there is a time for hard power and this is that time. we should not forget, alisyn, there's a long gain here. that is integration, jobs, economics. all the things that integrate societies. but at this crucial moment, and of course it's not just paris, it's beirut, it's the downing of the russian airliner. it's a series of horrific beheadings, selling women and children into slavery. now, if there is ever a time for hard power, this is that time. >> admiral james stavridis, thanks for your expertise. we appreciate yhaving you on "nw
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terror rocking paris friday night and it is a sad case of deja vu here. because of course the charlie hebdo and the kosher supermarket attacks were just ten months ago. good samaritans helped over a train massacre as you'll remember in august. how are parisians coping with the loss of life that we saw friday and of course the renewed fear? for answers we turn to french journalist stephan devry. where were you friday night. >> i was actually at home. i received a phone call from a friend of mine. she was in one of the bars where there was a shooting. she said, there is shooting, what's going on? i started to work immediately as a journalist trying to get information. another friend of mine was in
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the stade de france, the stadium where there were explosions. he said he heard two bangs but nothing was going on in the stadium. i started working basically until this very moment. >> how do you feel about the level of recognition of the french public? you talked to the military, the authorities, they say this can happen. it's an every day reality. does that translate to the citizenry and if so, what does that mean about the resolve to change things going forward? >> two things. first of all, this attack is very different from the attacks that happened in january. the terrorists targeted specific targets like charlie hebdo, the supermarket. these were targeted. the people who -- the terrorists who did the attack on friday, they talk to normal people. people who were listening to music in the concert hall, people attending a football match. they were trying to get to the heart of paris, which is base include a city of fun.
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instinctively, they wounded over 500 people, over 100 died. so this is completely different from the attacks in january. in january, the terrorist targeted the brains and now they targeted the hearts. that's a completely different ball game. and i think the parisians really realized that they, even if they have coffee on the terrace, which parisians love to do, you can risk your life. >> what will that changen yod the attitude? we see people out and about. everyone has come here for the moment of silence. they're out here in solidarity. it doesn't seem as they they're cowed. >> last night i was trying to eat something in a bar on the street over there. within seconds. the bar was filled with tens and tens of people screaming hysterically. before i knew i was on the floor with people on top or below me.
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>> they thought they heard something. >> they thought they heard a gunshot which was a lightbulb that burst and a police officer had drawn his gun. there was complete hysteria. it is very crowded here. that shows people are on the edge. of course that's what terrorists want. that's a worrying development. >> there's also no push back against the state of emergency. we noticed that the president, the interior minister use legally operative language saying this is an act of war against paris. that's not political hyperbole. it allows a state of emergency. >> yes. >> no push back. hasn't been since the north african war here a state of emergency, do you think it will be okay to have it extended for three months as is being suggested? >> i'm expressing myself as a citizen and not as a journalist. i think it's a very worrying development, because the state of emergency can only last 12 days. it's a very tough measure, especially in an open society like france. basically the government can seize the media, they can do any -- they can arrest anyone
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they like without a judge interfering. there are many, many measurements that don't have the place in society like this. 12 days because it's such heavy law basically. what is going to happen this afternoon in paris, 4:00 paris time, francois hollande is going to reunite the two assemblies, the senate and house of congress, only third time since 1848 that this happens. it shows the importance of this meeting. there he's going to ask for the extension of the state of emergency for three months and basically, in my humble opinion, means the end of democracy. >> you think he gets it? >> i'm afraid so, yes. the worrisome thing is, the citizens think that's the right solution, we need more security to stay free. that's contradictory, it's not possible. if you look at what happened since january, hundreds and hundreds of millions of euros have been invested in france, police forces, intelligence services. a severe law has been voted,
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like a french version of the patriot act. there were no objections against it. in spite of all these measures, the horrible attacks happened again. the main issue here is the exchange of information. it's not tough to loss. >> best of luck. stay safe. >> thank you. we're following a lot of news this morning. let's get right to it. we had huge gunshots, glass coming through the window. >> i've seen 20 to 25 bodies lying on the floor. >> across this country, police carried out a series of anti-terror raids. >> an arrest warrant for a man whose brother was one of the dead terrorists. >> this could fight possibly be that eighth attacker. >> they believe these attacks were planned in syria. >> french fighter planes revving up engines, their target, isis
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outposts. >> this fight is getting closer and closer to the homeland. >> i've been told flat out they were here. >> there's a moment of silence here and being reflected around the world. >> i'm not scared. i'm just shocked. >> we should go out and keep living. >> to our viewers in the united states and around the world, you are watching a special edition of "new day" from paris. there's a heavy, uncertainty in the air here. behind us, you see in the republican plaza, people are here to mourn what happened in the past but also to try to come together to figure out what will happen in the future. there's breaking news about attacks abroad by french authorities. and also investigations and raids within this country and in belgium. >> that is where we start. officials are wrapping up, just minutes ago, special forces had spread out in this neighborhood, just outside of brussels. they failed to get the elusive eighth suspect in friday's terror attack in paris. >> french authorities are
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conducting over 150 anti-terror raids overnight. 104 people are under house arrest, 23 people in custody actually, weapons, i.t. equipment seized. >> the french retaliating for the attacks with force. they have launched air strikes against isis in the syrian town of raqqa. the u.s. providing intelligence to help them for that air campaign. but isis says that everything that was hit, they claim was already abandoned. and in just the last hour, there was a moment of silence here across this city, and across all of europe to honor the hundreds of victims who were killed and wounded during friday's terror attacks. >> we've got this situation covered, only the way cnn can with correspondents in every place that are relevant all over the world. let's begin with cnn's nima elbagie.
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>> the standoff continues it here, chris. a few moments ago we had what sounded lake a controlled detonation and just before we came to air, we saw explosive squad, officers fully suited, and heading towards the house that continues to be surrounded by police. we don't have a sense of who it is, who is inside that they are trying to bring out here. who it is they're looking for. we're waiting and trying to confirm reports of where exactly that eighth attacker is. >> all right, nima, it's about who or what they're looking for. we're hearing from intelligence official this eighth vest, they believe this eighth attacker had what the other seven had, these explosive vests. it wasn't in the car they found. it hasn't been recovered. that's the reason for caution. could be why they are using preventative explosions to get into the house. >> nima, thank you. france's prime minister says the paris terror plot was hatched in syria.
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senior international correspondent clarissa ward is in paris. she has the latest on this investigation and more. clarissa, what have you learned? >> reporter: good morning, alisyn. a lot of information coming in to us in the last few years. france's interior minister says roughly 150 raids were conducted overnight and early this morning. 23 people were arrested, more than 100 people now under house arrest. and heavy weapons, including a rocket launcher were found during those raids. this comes on the heels of france's prime minister announcing that he believes these attacks were orchestrated and planned inside syria. we now know that of the attackers, at least four of them were french nationals, three of the attackers believe to have spent time inside syria. the focus here in france now is on this massive manhunt for the eighth attacker. you'll remember isis said there were eight attackers involved, french authorities only knew of seven attackers who have been killed. the focus very much now on this
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eighth attacker. and the subject, the primary subject of this investigation and manhunt appears to be a man called salah abdeslam. he is the brother of one of the men who detonated his explosive vest inside the bataclan theater. he was actually stopped by pless and questioned a few hours after the attack driving towards the belgian border. that now very much the focus of this investigation. alisyn? >> clarissa, help us understand these arrests and the 104 house arrests. are these people that they believe had some sort of connection to friday, what happened here, or are these just people who were on law enforcement's radar that they now want to keep a closer eye on? >> i think, alisyn, at this stage, police are leaving nothing to chance. they want to try to find anybody who has had any history of affiliation with islamist groups, dangerous islamist groups, of traveling to syria and iraq. they are not leaving any leads unfollowed. it's difficult to say at this
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stage whether these arrests and these house arrests are specifically related to friday's attacks. i think what you're seeing here, french authorities want to question everybody. they watch the to follow every lead and they want to make sure that nothing like this happens again. alisyn? >> okay, clarissa, thank you for that update. meanwhile, the paris terror attacks forcing a big agenda change at the g-20 summit. president obama, you saw there huddling with leaders including russia's president vladimir putin. we are expecting to learn more about the u.s. assistance that they will offer to the french air strikes today. cnn's michelle kosinski is live in turkey with much more. what have you learned, michelle? >> reporter: hi, alisyn. we also want to hear more about strategy. a deputy national security adviser told us that, yes, the paris attacks do demand more urgency and more resources from the international community in response to what happened there. and two key words we keep
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hearing over and over again are redoubling and intensifying the effort. that does include the u.s. but within you look at the strategy itself, it seems like what we can expect to see is more of the same. they're telling us more air strikes and more targeting of isis leadership because they're the ones who have the capability to plan, launch and direct attacks abroad. that seems like that's exactly what we saw with the paris attacks. so in terms of where we go from here, we expect to hear more from the president today, in just a couple of hours, within he has a press conference. he'll be taking questions from the press there. questions that we've been wanting to ask for a long time. so he could lend a lot more detail. when you look at what happened overnight with the paris -- the french bombardment of raqqa, we know that the white house has been involved with that. they've been helping them direct those targets. direct the bombings to specific targets over the last two days. coming to fruition last night. but in addition, the u.s. launched its own attack in raqqa
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also. there was one air strike that the u.s. conducted. but what really stood out was the targeting of more than 100 isis oil tankers. that's a plan of more targeting of how isis makes its money that went into place before the paris attacks. it looks like we can expect to see much more of that as well. chris? >> of course, michelle, everything that we're seeing right now is being looked at through the lens of what has come before it. president obama has a lot to justify to the american people and the global community about what's been done against isis and terrorism in syria and beyond, up to this point. many are looking at it now as simply not enough or failure. he'll speak this morning at 10:30 eastern local time in the u.s. he's going to be able to address this situation in the context of these new challenges. two men who have heavy criticism for the president and heavy concerns about the present are senatorses john mccain, of course the chairman of the armed services committee and senator
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lindsey graham, republican presidential candidate, member of the senate armed services committee as well. senator mccain, you say, yes, this happened in paris but it is a wakeup call to the united states as well. do you believe this could happen just as easily in a major city there and what does that mean about what needs to be done, sir? >> well, i think it is obviously a threat to the united states and has been for a long time in light of the lack of strategy which has characterized the obama administration's approach to this growing threat which senator graham and i have predicted for years. and their various steps along the way have failure to address this issue which has resulted in this and beirut and the russian airliner, with tragic loss of 224 russian lives as well. so unfortunately, we have predicted that we were not defeating isis. they were certainly not contained and we need boots on the ground and we need to have a
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strategy, not just more of the same. more of the same doesn't get it, chris. >> we are using the words from the white house of redoubling the effort. senator graham, that is not enough to you. you say more needs to be done. you've said that another 9/11 is coming and it's coming from syria. what do you think needs to be done? make the case. >> well, walking faster in the wrong direction is not redoubling your efforts. it's just going the wrong way. to the french president, my heart breaks for you and your country. you declared war on isil, you did the right thing. but ten planes dropping 20 bombs is not the adequate response, to the french, to the american president, we should rally the entire region. they're there to be rallied, to go in on the ground and destroy isil. in world war ii we went to tokyo and berlin. we should go as an international force led by the region, arabs and turkey, to destroy isil on the ground in raqqa.
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if we don't change our strategy and come up with a ground component, there will be another 9/11. >> but as both of you gentlemen know, there's been great resistance to that more than american populous, just for a point of american parallel, senator mccain -- >> i don't know that at all. i don't buy that at all. >> you don't boy what, sir? >> i don't buy that the american people are reluctant to destroy isil. the american people are willing to send american forces to syria and iraq to protect the american homeland. when people say that, they don't know what they're talking about. the american people are ready to take on radical islam because they see it for what it is, a threat to our homeland and way of life. >> chris, could i just add -- >> senator graham, it comes as no surprise. senator mccain, let me give you context. there are many polls that show the american people don't want american women and men put at risk abroad.
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do you believe that's changing or do you believe its time to make that decision as a point of leadership? >> i think it's rapidly changing. this has to have had a significant affect and also the fact is that this president has not led. it takes presidents to tell the american people about a threat. as tragic as this is, it is certainly predictable when you look at the decisions made by this president, beginning in 202009, his failure to address syrian violation of the use of chemical weapons, refusal to army the free syrian army and measure after measure where the president has not led. the american people have been awakened. these people by the way could have easily bought a plane ticket to the united states from paris. >> so, senator graham, when you look forward in terms of things that have to be done as a man who wants to be president of the united states. the big point of concern will be
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refugees. the u.s. leadership had been moving in the direction of letting in more. you see what happened here and the investigative findings about at least one, if not more, had been infiltrating through the refugee process. what do you think is the right balance, sir? >> there are people on my side of the aisle who say if you stop the refugees from coming to america, that fixes the problem. there's about 20 different ways to get to america. refugees are just one of 20 lanes. shutting that lane down does not protect us. anybody coming to america needs to be vetted and vetted well. we can't shut off syria. people being raped and murdered, yes, isil can intermingle among refugees. they're doing that. there's other ways for them to get here. my advice is, eliminating the refugee problem doesn't involve the problem. you have to go in on the ground and hit them there. i'm looking for an away game when it comes to isil, not a home gam.
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i want to fight them in their backyard. shutting off refugees doesn't destroy isil. i have a plan to destroy isil. use the army's in the region which are large and professional, integrate our forces among those armys with the french and other nato nations, have an air campaign supplemented by a ground campaign of 80 to 100,000 ground forces of which will be about 10% and going on the ground and destroy these people before they hit us here at home and continue to do damage. there is no other way to defeat this enemy other than a ground component of which we will have to lead and be part of. >> chris, could i just add -- >> as you know -- go ahead, please, senator. >> the refugee problem is a symptom of failure. it's not the cause of failure. the refugee problem would not be there if it hadn't been for a failed foreign policy, a lack of strategy, a lack of addressing this issue seriously. so of course we don't want anyone coming to the united states who might do damage in the united states. but the fact is, until you address the problem of isis, you're going to continue to have
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refugees. >> can i just add one thing? isil when we put 50 special forces on the ground, that reinforced the view of isil that obama is not serious about degrading and destroying isil. if all the french do is drop a few bombs, that reinforces isil that we don't have stomach for this fight. i'm running for president. we don't have until january 2017 to do with this. i office my services to my president as a republican to rally my party along with senator mccain to a different strategy, a more robust response that requires ground components. i stand ready to help president obama because we need to do this quickly or they're coming here. >> senator graham, as you know, members of the military say a suggestion of 8,000, 10,000 troops which simple math is the number you're suggesting right now, won't be enough. that you need a huge u.s. military presence on the ground there, akin to what we saw in iraq, if not afghanistan. >> that's not what i heard.
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>> to push back isil there in any effective way. look, the idea there's one opinion on this would be simplistic. certainly many in the military, as i'm sure both of you gentlemen know, think you need a bigger presence. the question becomes, then wa? if you push them back as you did with the al qaeda forces, the taliban, how do you hold that land and deal with the political change that needs to happen? you're fighting an idea, not just a ground force. what about those concerns? >> real concerns. the regional force i'm talking about would be large, saudi arabia, egypt, jord be and turkey have large armys. they're ready to fight isil because isil is a threat to them. bush 41 is a coalition. the good news according to general keen is about 10% of this 80,000 to 100,000 force needs to be american. we're down to 10,000 people in afghanistan. if we keep them there think will hold. if we let the 10,000 in iraq,
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we'd be okay. you do have to hold. this is a generational struggle. you have to destroy these guys militarily. >> can i just add, if the president had any sense at all, he would call in david petraeus, jack keen, general mattis. call in the people that are respecced in america, in the world, they've give him a strategy. they talked about it publicly. and i'm confident using those people instead of -- instead of the feckless statements we heard, we can succeed. american is still the strongest nation on earth. isis is not invincible. it's a matter of whether we have the will to do it. >> senator mccain, senator graham, thank you very much for your perspective on this. this conversation has to continue. every time there's a new piece like what happened with these atechs, there becomes a new
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priority. thank you, gentlemen, both. back to michaela in new york. we want to take you to california where hundreds of mourners came out to remember the california college student among the 129 people killed in paris. friends, family, faculty and community leaders filling the student union building at cal state long beach to honor nohemi gonzalez. a candle light vigil was held. she was a senior design student, spending a semester abroad in france and was killed in one of the restaurant attacks. another vigil will be held at the high school she attended, wittier high school in california. she graduated from there in 2010. if you're watching football on sunday, you probably noticed some of the tributes to france and the victims of those attacks. moments of silence, french flags on jumbotrons. fans holding signs. some of the expressions of solidarity from the nfl. one of the most moving tributes was this in baltimore, morgan cox of the ravens ran out on to the field carrying the french flag.
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a raid in belgium, apparently unsuccessful in bringing in the surviving suspect in friday's paris terror attack. where do investigators go from here? we'll have the latest on that, next.
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welcome back to a special edition of "new day." we live in paris, a city reeling from friday's terror attacks. the manhunt for the eighth terror suspect outside of brussels, police there had fanned out but they have apparently come out empty. joining us again is cnn chief international correspondent christiane amanpour and paul cruickshank. there was a big manhunt, s.w.a.t. teams fanned out in brussels. what happened. >> it's possible the suspect is still at large, salah abdeslam is still there in molenbeek. we know that he got back to belgium the day after the attack. >> where he lives? >> where he may live in molenbeek. and there was cctv footage from
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paris the night of the attack showing he was here in paris, suggesting that he was participating, that he was driving a car around, that fiat they found abandoned in a suburb of paris. he had his brother with him in the car. his brother became a suicide bomber. for some reason he didn't end up becoming a suicide bomber. he calls his other brother, a third brother up in molenbeek in belgium, come and get me, he says. the brother then drives all the way from molenbeek into france, 3:00 in the morning they pick it up on cctv. his car coming in to paris, picks him up and gets him out. they actually, the french police stopped the two brothers as they were driving back but didn't know they were suspects at that point. they let them go, eventually realized after they examined another car outside the bataclan that he rented that car in belgium. they told the belgians arrest them. by the time they launched the
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arrests in molenbeek, he got away. there's a suicide vest he's missing. it's possible he may still have it. >> that's a key point. a chance of good fur tuortune w missed. this vest, having not found it in the car, that's why we're seeing such caution as they approach the house. it's also a key piece of evidence for them to figure out who made it. that will expand the team of influence. >> who's the bombmaker in this case? who has the skills to make tatp, a high explosive, volatile, more powerful than what we saw in the boston bombings. to be able to make it without blowing yourself up, you need skills. terrorists who have managed to make it, they've got training overseas. that was the case with najibullah zazi. a bombmaker perhaps still at work in belgium, france, in europe somewhere, able to make these devices.
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that's alarming to the authorities given the fact that more than 1,500 extremists are thought to be here. this is an unprecedented threat. >> what is president hollande doing today? >> he's getting together a joint session of congress in versailles. only the second time since 1958. he's suggested to once again reiterate two of the political parties in the classes and the elected officials that this country is in a state of war. this has been the language used by the president, the prime minister, the interior minister over the past three days. and clearly, it is designed to justify the heightened powers they're now using. we saw these 150 different raids all over france in the overnight hours, the wee hours of the morning. the enormous numbers of house arrests they've made. the two dozen or so arrests that they've made. the enormous number of weapons they've seized, including heavy
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weapons. we can't believe a rocket launcher, heavy machine guns, ammunition. plus a lot of drugs. they're seeing the nexus between radicalization and petty criminals. at least half of the attackers on friday 13th in paris had been to syria. this is the tender of intelligence fears right now. the blow back, go to syria, come back with your own passport, slip in undetected, join up with syrian operatives as we know one of them has come from syria, infiltrating the refugees. we reported that yesterday. this is -- this terrible new scare whereby it's not 9/11 but it is hit and run on a mass casualty, separate casualty event to try to stretch police, stretch authorities and hit civilians. this is, you know, now what isis is doing abroad. >> this extension of a state of emergency is supposed to be 12
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days. president is going to ask for three months. isis hasn't put out imminent threat reports to france but also to the united states. they are saying specifically they'll attack. paul, you were saying this was the re-issuance of a threat we've heard before but still adds to the immediacy. >> they're exploiting the media attention right now to put out a series of threats, apparently threatening washington, d.c. unclear if this is words or if there's something specific they have in mind. they tend to put out a lot of threats, threatening all sorts of countries, all sorts of places, calling -- >> it has more teeth after this. >> for people and countries taking part in the coalition strikes against them. they've already carried out their threats. paris, russia with the aircraft and this is incredibly serious. and france overnight did an unprecedented number of air raids in raqqa and elsewhere.
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they're saying 10 to 12 fighter jets they're saying 20 bombs. they're moving the aircraft carrier charles de gaulle. at the same time, they are saying, i've had all the people i've interviewed in the region, the prime ministers and presidents of regional countries to say, this is not going to enuntil the syria war ends and this is not going to be over by air strikes. >> it takes a commitment of troops on the ground yet. >> yes. >> we haven't seen that. >> we have to arm and train people to do that. >> or send your own. >> help the peshmerga. there's still no appetite in the west to do that. >> the french may be more amendable. maybe this is a real pivot point. >> christiane, paul, thank you for the latest information. great to have you here. >> we're dealing with the situation here as it's going forward. let's not forget what happened here. people at a cafe, a concert
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hall, at a sports stadium all targeted for death. now, when we come back we'll talk to a witness of the carnage about those moments and how it will last in their head and heart, vudly and collectively for the rest of their lives. believe it.
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cnn does have more breaking news stemming from the situation here in paris. isis issuing new threats in a just released video vowing to attack not just france but the united states. the video says any country that takes part in the effort to fight in syria will be targeted by them. this comes as special forces and police are all over belgium, looking for who is believed to be an eighth attacker. remember, seven took their own lives here or were killed during the attacks in paris. now they are looking for an eighth. he remains at large. >> chris, joining us by skype now is mark, he was walking with
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a friend towards the cafe bonne biere on friday. tell us what you saw. >> we were talking home from a restaurant. we were vacationing in paris. we were there for a conference and had taken the day off. and were just being tourists in paris. and we had gone out for a dinner around 9:00 p.m. we decided to call it a day. we were making our way through paris simply using google maps as our navigator to get home. at that point we -- >> tell us what -- >> excuse me? >> yes, just tell us when you realized something horrible was unfolding. >> yes, we came close to cafe bonne biere and we heard an initial crack bang which we thought was fire crackers, a big
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one. i directly looked ahad of me. about 20 meters ahead of me, just off to the right i could very clearly see a gunman who had taking position in a tripod shooting position, was lean into his semiautomatic rifle. he swivelled to the right and took three shots, instantly killing the three people, at least shooting the three people at the cafe. i could clearly see, to the right of him. >> mark, what was the gunman saying? how were they behaving? >> we weren't close enough to hear if they were saying anything at all. because he was back lit, it was very hard for us to see any facial details clearly. we could see what he was doing. we couldn't hear if he was saying anything. what we could see was that he intentionally shot at, he took four shots at the three individuals. then he took a step forward, swivelled it a little bit and
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put two rounds through a car, which was ten meters directly in front of him. i saw he shot the driver of the car. >> and, mark, what was happening? what was everyone doing while this was unfolding? >> well, listen, i didn't see what was happening around. i was just watching the shooter and the carnage he was creating with his weapon. when i think back through my recollection, speaking with you now, what i recall most clearly are the sounds of his rifle. i heard he was shooting, shoot, look, shoot, look, shoot, look, pause. as one does when one has military training. i assumed for a moment i was looking at perhaps a s.w.a.t. team or specialist team that were doing something in connection with a police investigation. so even for the first second or two i had doubts about whether we had stumbled upon a police sting of some kind. it wasn't until he moved
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forward, stepping into the cafe. i saw him pan over the cafe with his rifle and i heard him open fire inside the cafe. at that split second i knew this was an attack against civilians. and i shouted to my travel friend we should seek cover immediately. >> mark, it's so frightening and the idea that so many people witnessed these just unspeakable aftermath of these attacks, you know, it's of note that you are a psychotherapist. what do you do moving forward? how do you erase the psychic impact of everything that you saw friday night? >> i think that's a very good point, alisyn. it's not a question about erasing. it's a question about embracing it. denial is a very powerful defense mechanism for any person alive. and it's through -- working
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through my feelings and working through especially what i see when i close my eyes, when i fall asleep, it's working through that process that i will be able to allow it to not become a traumatic episode for myself. >> mark, it's a challenge for you and everyone here in paris. thank you for sharing the story and we wish you all the best moving forward. thank you for being here. >> thank you very much, alisyn. >> the french air force -- thank you. the french air force hitting isis targets in syria following friday's terror attack, as you know. should the u.s. somehow be more involved, be more aggressive in the fight again the terror group? martin o'malley, democratic presidential hopeful talks about the strategy, next. the future belongs to the fast. and to help you accelerate, we've created a new company... one totally focused on what's next for your business.
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well, no shortage of opinions when it comes to fighting isis. what is the best plan forward? the democratic presidential candidates are in a tough position, trying to stand by the president in the face of growing frustration with isis's advances. joining us now is democratic candidate and former governor of maryland, martin o'malley. governor, thanks so much for being here. can you tell us where you were friday night when you heard this
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news? >> well, on friday night i was in iowa, i do believe, getting ready for the democratic debate that was to follow the next day. this is -- ever since september 11th our world has changed. we're in a new era of warfare. this is the reality we need to figure out how to deal with that's going to require new thinking. it's going to require fresh approaches. we have to be more adaptable and willing to adapt in the face of these new threats. >> so let's talk about that, governor. if you were president friday night and you got word in the white house that there had been a terror attack in france and that isis was taking responsibility, what would you do? >> well, the very first thing that the kmaner in chief must do is protect the homeland. my thoughts would immediately go to our first responders and our own cities in the united states, in the event this is a coordinated attack or precursor to attacks here on our homeland.
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ever since the attacks of september 11th, i lived every day as a big city mayor and as a governor with the reality that attacks like this can happen here. they very much -- they very likely will happen here. that is why we have to be more engaged in this world rather than less. this is not a matter of applying hard power or applying soft power. it's a matter of applying both. but doing it in concert with and in coordination with other nations, especially those that are on the front lines of this new safe haven which has obviously been created by isis that allows them to perform the sort of training and the exercises and provide the financing for strikes against civilian targets, whether it's the airliner or there in paris. >> but governor, when you say more engagement, does that mean boots on the ground in syria to fight isis? >> well, what it means is the president, i've supported the
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president in calling for and indeed deploying more special operations advisers. i believe what you will -- pardon me -- i believe what you will see coming out of the talks that are upcoming is a much more coordinated international effort. i think we need to have a political solution to the stability short term anyway about the questions of regime change in syria that will allow the russians and other partners to focus all of our attention on isis, if there is to be greater american involvement. it's not going to be a matter of sending in the third marine division. it would be special operations, possibly in conjunction and possibly under nato with close air support. that's the why these battles are actually fought in this new age of warfare. may i also add something else. we need to ramp up what we're doing here in our own homeland. we forget the fact that when we cut our federal government year in and year out with the
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sequester cuts when we shut down the federal government, we're harming the ability of our own cities to prepare. the ability of our state fusion centers to connect dots and share intelligence. this is not a matter of -- this is not just a matter of protecting and hitting isis in syria or iraq. it's a matter of protecting our homeland in smarter and more connected ways. >> governor, i want to ask you about something that came up saturday night at the democratic debate. hillary clinton was asked about her support for wall street. i want to play you her response. >> i represented new york an i represented new york on 9/11 when we were attacked. where were we attacked? we were attacked in downtown manhunt where wall street is. i did spend a whole lot of time and effort helping them rebuild. that was good for new york. it was good for the economy and it was a way to rebuke the terrorists who had attacked our country. >> governor, you heard there she
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got a lot of applause for that response but you bristle at how she responded. what was the problem with it? >> well, she had a lot of friends in the hall, shall we say, secretary clinton has a lot of friends on wall street and those friends on wall street at the biggest banks have paid her hundreds of thousands of dollars in speaking fees and are the ones that will be guiding our country's economic policy should secretary clinton be elected president. it's one of the big differences in this race. i thought that moment, frankly, was pretty shameful. i don't believe that the people watching were applauding the notion that secretary clinton was pumping up the smoke screen and wrapping herself in the tragedy of 9/11. i don't think they saw that as something appropriate to do to mask her coziness and her closeness to wall street and all of the architects of the crash of 2008. one of the big differences in this race is economic theory
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between myself and secretary clinton. secretary clinton subscribes to a sort of crony capitalism. of the few, by the few and for the few, an economy that doesn't work very well for most of us but works very well for the big banks of wall street. i instead subscribe to traditional fair market american capitalism. i believe we should not be on the hook as taxpayers for the bad bets that are made by banks that have grown too big to manage on wall street. that's a fundamental difference in this race. in that shameful moment i think secretary clinton was trying to pump out a smoke screen to cover her tracks on this one. >> governor martin o'malley, we appreciate you being on "new day" this morning. thank you. >> thank you. thanks very much. well, other candidates in both parties have been weighing in, of course, on the paris attacks. talking about how the u.s. should respond and the threat of terrorists disguising themselves as refugees. more on the impact of the attacks on the race for the white house. that's next.
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the fears is what's going on in the hearts and heads of these people could be reflected anywhere in any major city in the world, certainly in the united states. that's why the question of what to do with isis is front and center once again in the u.s. presidential campaign. let's bring in zeke miller and cnn political commentator peter, also a contributing editor at the "atlantic." thank you for being with us. new word from reuters on a threat from isis specifically on the united states. what do you think, zeke, in terms of the political calculus changing because of what happened in paris? >> certainly, what happened on friday injected a new tone of seriousness in the race which has been dominated by personality and overarching focus on domestic issues. immigration, taxes. now we'll see the role of commander in chief front and center, and seeing the candidates address what they'd do to this real threat. >> peter, as we just saw reflected in senators mccain and
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graham, quick and intense scrutiny of the president obama, as having failed thus far. no plan in syria. and syria is the root cause of what happened in paris and the threat we face today. however, let's go back two years. when president obama was confronted about the red line, he wanted to, in response, bomb in syria. he was pushed back by congress. what about that and how did that set the stage for where we are now? >> yeah, and you notice since then, congress has been unwilling to vote on an authorization for war and significant measures because republicans don't want to give the president more power. i think that the truth is, it's easy to call for getting syria in a strategy get against isis, but the reality is difficult. if you mean more and more bombing for a strategy, that's not a strategy. the conversation we need to have is what will it take to end the syrian civil war? it's the syrian civil war which is creating the climate in which
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isis is thriving. so bombing alone is not enough. there has to be a diplomatic strategy, and it has got to do with america coming to some understanding with iran and russia, which are big players in syria, about how we get the diplomatic solution there. >> zeke, senator graham said two things i want you to vet for me. the first was, he gave me pushback when i said the american political will among the citizenry to have boots in syria or somewhere is low and has been. he said, that's not what i'm hearing. americans are willing to fight. he says the military believes 8,000 to 10,000 would be enough. i and others have reported and heard that they believe they need a much bigger force there to make a sustainable change. what's your take on those two? >> certainly on the first point, whether the american public supports boots on the ground there, even when we saw 50 special operators go there, some of the polling that came out was mixed. it comes down to how you ask the question. certainly, president obama was
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elected twice on a platform of ending war. there is a general appetite in the country of bringing the troops home. that's why you've seen, particularly in the republican contest, the rise of candidates like donald trump. even some support still for rand paul. focus back at home rather than abro abroad. you know, if you were to poll this generally, maybe it depends on how you ask the question. paris may change that, and we'll see in the next couple weeks. on the issue of the troop levels, senator graham's number is roughly 10,000 american troops as part of an international coalition of 100,000. certainly, is 100,000 enough, and are 10,000 american troops enough to lead a coalition of 100,000 regional troops? those are all things the military says it's an okay number. it's not clear he can get 90,000 other troops from the region, as he's been saying for a few weeks. >> that's a huge concern that
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you outline there. right now, you're basically zero, in terms of coalition troops on the ground actively fighting that fight. this controversial, short-term fix of arming the rebels and training them has had mixed results, to put it gently. that takes us back to what the solution is in syria. with the taliban, al qaeda, we saw a big ground force goes in, smashes the opposition, dot, dot, dot, then what? how big is that consideration in whatever happening in syria? >> it's a tremendously big consideration. syria is divided between multiple rebel groups. putting the u.s. troops in the middle of that would be, i think, could make the situation our troops faced in iraq in 2004/2005 look simple by comparison. i think that the focus has to be on what it takes to end the syrian civil war. moving towards a diplomatic solution. the good news is, all the major powers, whether they be the saudis, the russians, the
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iranians, all have an interest in opposing isis. what they're divided about is who is going to run syria. the more you can move toward some kind of negotiated compromise on syria, the more you're able to turn people's attention in a more united way to fighting isis. >> zeke, how do you deal with that politically? we see what happens in a power vacuum. you saw it with the taliban. excellent example. not exactly like isis, but they were about ruling on the ground and creating their own qua quasi-governmental structure. once they were removed and there was a vacuum, it was equal and maybe some would argue intensified. syria is a similar model. is there the political resolve, you think, to create the kind of change in strategy you need to make a different outcome in syria? >> certainly, that's the big open question, both for the white house and for the people who hope to occupy the white
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house in a year and a quarter. the white house is taking on the strategy, is thstrategic patien. having the administration set things up to keep as many doors to a possible diplomatic outcome or stable outcome available, and doing as few things now to close the doors. the question is, looking at the republican candidates, particularly in the field, they're divided, more bombs, fewer bombs, troops on the ground, no troops on the ground, no fly zone, yes, fly zone. at the end of the day, none of them have a vision for what that post -- what syria looks like after isis is defeated or what it takes to get there. that's going to be the big test as we get beyond talking points and into substance in the coming weeks. >> zeke miller, peter, thank you very much. all of this set against the context of president obama speaking later this morning, 10:30 eastern time in the u.s. how is he going to address what
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happened here in paris, in light of what people see as his own failures up to this point in fighting against isis? that's a big headline. we have new developments for you, as well, in the investigation surrounding the paris attacks. let's get to it. france has been pierced at its heart. >> this was an assault on their lifestyle. >> he had huge gunshots and lots of blasts coming through the window. >> french war planes attack the isis stronghold of raqqa. >> the u.s. was assisting with the french air strikes. >> there were raids carried out in belgium. >> this as the european man hunt intensifies for a brussels-born french national. >> is it possible groups like isis would use this flood of migrants to sneak more people in? >> the refugee of today may be the terrorist of today. >> this fight is getting closer and closer to the homeland. >> there's a moment of silence here and being reflected tarnd wor -- around the world. >> we have to keep going. we have to be strong.
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hello. thank you for joining us again this hour. you're watching a special edition of "new day." welcome to our viewers in the u.s. and around the world. michaela pereira is in new york monitoring headlines there. chris and i are here in paris with the breaking developments in the aftermath of friday's terror attack. isis making threats now against the u.s. and our allies. there is a new video to tell you about, in which isis says any country that takes part in the u.s.-led air strikes in syria will face a similar fate to what has happened here in paris. they have vowed to strike washington. >> you hear sirens behind us. it's the new normal now. >> we've heard it every five minutes. >> france really isn't even the center of the current flurry of investigation. belgium is. we know that there are police mixed with special operatives on the ground. they're looking for a man believed to be the eighth suspect. there's all this intelligence intrigue surrounding that he may have been stopped after the
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attacks but let go. not because it was a missed opportunity, he simply wasn't connected to the event yet. there was a raid that was active going on there in belgium. they thought they had him. we've had no word as to whether or not he has been taken. this done in the context, also, of what was done militarily by france overnight. >> there were air strikes against isis in the syrian town of raqqa. isis says everything that was hit, they claim, was already abandoned. we have this story covered the way only cnn can. with correspondents all over the world. we want to start with nick paton walsh, who gives us the latest on this new threat. nick? >> alison, this video is emerging on social media, bearing the hallmarks of isis's propaganda machine. the key quote delivered, as usual, by men in military garb, is to the countries joining the christian mission, basically the
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coalition air campaign as it stands, you will have a day like france. we swear to god, you'll have a day like france's day. if we hit france in its home, so god willing, we will hit america in washington. .g god willing, we will open rome. rome is a long-term target, the seat of vatican. none of this is new. the timing is vital. the way they were able to penetrate the french french cap means they could target washington. u.s. officials will dispute that. but many people view isis as an apo apocoliptic movement. 24 strikes, hits numerous targets. standing up and saying, we're coming for you instead. that's designed to appeal to
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those disillusioned, deranged youth attracted to isis. it's also them seeking the end of days message that's at the heart of what they do. back to you. >> nick, thank you for all of that breaking news. we do have more developments and we want to go to cnn in molenbeek, a suburb of brussels. that's where there had been a massive raid going on looking for the eighth suspect. what have you learned? >> we are hearing conflicting reports, alison, as to whether abdeslam salah has been detained. the raid behind me is continuing. since we last spoke, there has been another control detonation and reinforcement of police officers behind us here. this, of course, all comes as a source close to the investigation in france tells cnn it was a belgium national.
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the suspected mastermind. he lived with his sister a few streets from here. he was based in molenbeek. it reinforces the reality that so many avenues in this investigation are returning back here to melenbeek. this raid behind me, what is going to happen over the coming days, it's going to be crucial in unraveling not just what happened and how it happened in paris, but what more is still out there. chris? >> obviously, the aggression of forces in trying to find this eighth attacker have to be balanced with the fact they also have to find the eighth suicide vest they believe exists and whether or not he has it on him. it's going to slow them down when they get close. we have what's going on in brussels. we also have the investigation, trying to figure out who planned this and from where. right now, the word from french authorities is this originated in syria. let's bring in our senior
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international correspondent in paris on the implications of the man hunt here. how do you see it? >> good morning, chris. a lot of information coming in this morning. france's interior ministry announcing it carried out about 150 raids overnight/early this morning. during the course of the raids, 23 people arrested. more than 100 placed on house arrest. some people heavy weapons, including a rocket launcher found. also, military clothing found in one location. it's not clear if this is related specifically to friday night's attacks but, certainly, officials here are trying to pursue every single lead. they're looking for any information, trying to expand on the network who may have helped facilitate and orchestrate these attacks. this is on the heels of france's prime minister, who said he believes these attacks were orchestrated and planned inside syria. we do know that at least four french nationals were among
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those attackers. three of the attackers had spent a lot of time in syria, so there's a lot of moving parts here. french authorities really focusing on the man hunt for the eighth attacker. as mentioned, the primary subject that was under suspicion, who they are looking for right now, is salah abdes m abdeslam. police actually stopped him and questioned him a few hours after the attack, but then he was allowed to go on his way. driving, reportedly, towards belgium. a lot of information and a lot of moving parts here, chris. >> clarissa, you have been making a point in expressing while we have sympathies for the french, part of the sympathy is pushing for accountability about what happened here. they have a very tall task in front of them. at least two of the attackers were known to french authorities. what do you believe this situation revealed about the challenges that they have and,
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frankly, the shortcomings they have? >> there are very real challenges. something like 900 french nationals have gone to iraq and syria to join the jihad. of those 900, roughly 185 have come back to france. 80 of them are presumed to be in jail. that leaves about 100 on the loose. that's an enormous amount of people to be following day in and day out. at the same time, we have french nationals who travel to syria. some had criminal records. there's no doubt about it, this is an intelligence failure, especially coming on the heels of "charlie hebdo." there will be a lot of finger pointing and a lot of questions and people wanting to hold the appropriate authorities responsible for this failure, chris. >> sla ris sclarissa, thanks so that. a french official revealing that one of friday's attackers made it into europe by posing as a refugee. this, of course, begs the question, can terrorists be
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stopped from infiltrating the west, and how many could have made it already using the humanitarian crisis as cover? senior international correspondent arwa damon is tracking that angle for us from leros, greece. what have you learned, arwa? >> well, alison, that most certainly is arguably one of the biggest challenges facing the international community at this stage in the intelligence organizations. given the volume of people fleeing and coming through this refugee and migrant route from turkey and then onwards to greece. one of the passports found at the scene was traced back to the very island where we are right now. a tiny little island of leros, population, 8,000. this individual was registered and fingerprinted here. that is the standard operating procedure when these refugees and migrants do come through. they are then issued a piece of paper that allows them to stay in greece for 60 days.
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we spoke with the mayor here, who expressed something we've been hearing from other greek authorities. that is that the coast guard, the police that are the ones who are doing the bulk of the registration here, the fingerprinting, don't necessarily have the needed capabilities. they have been, even prior to the attack in paris, asking for additional support from europe, from front ex. front exhas has a presence burk they ne -- but they need more. if an individual is just getting fingerprinted, there's no database to check that against. one thing agencies have been expressing concern about is some of these people that are exploiting this refugee route at this stage do not have prior records. they're complete unknowns. what they're doing is taking advantage of a route that the most desperate of peoples are taking at this stage, chris. >> arwa, obviously, it's a very complex situation, trying to balance the humanitarian need
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with the security needs. unfortunately, one day in country is enough if you're here for the wrong reasons, before you can disappear off the grid, assuming you were ever on it. we'll check back with you in a bit. let's bring in the chairman for the house homeland security committee. he raise td red flag about terrorists infiltrating the west under the guise of being refugees. a reality that is now painful clear to everyone. congressman, what is your take on this recent threat from isis, confirmed through routeeuters, it's anyone taking part in the coalition against syria, including the united states specifically. what does the threat mean to you? >> i take it very seriously. they said this is the beginning of the storm. i don't know where the storm is going to take us. it hit paris, obviously, very hard. they downed a russian airliner. we're really seeing isis, their capability, their external operations increase.
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in my judgment, it impacts the homeland, as well. as you mentioned, there are direct threats now against the united states. just very concerned where this is going to go. it's, i think, a lot of this also, the communications, the fact we didn't have this on the radar screen, it went under the radar screen, indicates to me they could have been indicating in dark space, dark platforms. if you can't see their communications, it's hard to stop this activity. this is a very coordinated, sophisticated attack. something we don't want to see in the homeland. >> what should be done differently in the united states in light of what happened here in paris? >> well, i think we are raising our security awareness. certainly, at sporting events. but you know, you can't stop it all. we've arrested over 70 isis followers in the united states
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over the last year. that's more than one per week. we have investigations in all 50 states. we have 900 investigations ongoing in the united states, in the homeland as i speak. we're trying to stop it all. we stopped a lot of bad stuff, chris, but you just can't stop it all. this threat is magnifying. it's not shrinking. it's not going away. if we don't deal with it in the core, syria and iraq, if we don't deal with the problem over there, it's going to come here. >> well, that's why attacking at its source, as you suggest, is getting more and more attention. a lot of the attention is criticism of president obama. do you think it's time for you and your brothers and sisters in congress to vote on the authorization for use of military force that president obama was asking for two years ago, after a spade of violence in syria, and it didn't happen then? is it time for that to be taken on the floor? >> i think that is our
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constitutional responsibility. i think congress should declare war against isis. that would send a very strong message, i think, worldwide. that we're serious about this. you know, look, if anything, paris is a wakeup call. we have not dealt with this -- it's been a policy of containment, not to defeat and destroy isis. i think we need to galvanize the coalition forces, nato and, quite frankly, the world, against this evil, this threat, that threatens not only europe, but also the united states of america. you know, the irony is, the president said that isis has been contained the very day this happened. clearly, it demonstrates that they haven't been contained. i would hate to see what isis looks like unleashed. they are not contained. we need to defeat and destroy them. >> a little -- obviously, the
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threat is real. a little of explaining the president's situation is contextual. he was talking about the ground war in syria and northern iraq, specifically but, obviously, in light of the paris attacks, the situation came into different context. you talk about the resolve translating into action. again, i take you back to what you need to do within congress. you say it is your constituti constitutional ability and responsibility to declare war and, yet, so many of the voices criticizing president obama and calling for change didn't vote on that aumf. still have not voted on that aumf. shouldn't that happen first? >> well, i think a lot of us, it depends on what's in the language. i think it should be an aumf. that basically states that we will defeat isis wherever they exist. it should be very broad, authorized use of military force, and i think that's what the country wants. i think that's what the world wants. i think after paris, this again,
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i think, gets the attention of the world to galvanize against this really evil force against mankind. >> why doesn't it happen though, congressman? >> i think congress has a role. >> why doesn't it happen? it's so easy to hear even senator graham saying, hey, we need to do more. the american people want to do more. the president hasn't done enough. a big part of his ability to do more is you guys authorizing it. you haven't. many saw that through a political lens. where is that debate on the floor? why aren't we having this discussion, instead of just on television? >> chris, i think we should. when we met with white house council earlier, their authorized use of military force was more restrictive than the current authority after 200 2001 9/11. what we want to do is give the president and the military a more expanded authorized use of military force by congress to
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eradicate isis wherever they exist. if there's an au on the floor that said that, i think you'd see the majority of members of congress vote for that. i think it's a great point, and i think congress, we need to do this. >> you could propose it. it's an interesting thing legally and politically, the marriage of this situation, how the constitutional responsibilities over time have been shifted and mitigated, who declares war, who makes war, the war powers act, the aumf. it got complicated. ultimately, it's simple. you could, congressman, take to the floor and say, this is what i think it should be. this is within my constitutional responsibility as a member of congress. there needs to be action on that level, as well. i appreciate your concerns and perspective on this. let's see what you all do about it. you're right, it is your responsibility. thank you for being with us on "new day," sir. >> thanks, chris. i appreciate it. >> michaela, back to you in new
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york. >> breaking this morning, nine arrests in last week's deadly bombing in beirut. lebanon's interior minister says seven of those arrested are syrian. two lebanese. one of them, a suspected bomber. the other accused of smuggling militants across the border from syria. isis claimed responsibility for the attack that killed more than 40 in beirut. back here at home, hundreds of mourners came out to remember the california college student who was among the 129 people killed in paris. friends, family, faculty and community leaders filled the student union building at cal state, long beach, to honor nohemi gonzalez. she was a senior design student spending a semester abroad in france. she was killed in one of the restaurant attacks. another vigil will be held at the high school where gonzalez graduated in 2010. 17 minutes past the hour here.
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french officials trying to get their footing back as they figure out what happened in paris friday night and how they missed the warning signs. here this morning to help us, jim sciutto, cnn's national security correspondent, and chairman of the center for analysis ofrorismterrorism. part of this is the scope of the suspects in france. there are 5,000 people with suspected terror ties, maybe more. >> already the number to dwarves the number we have in the u.s. 11,000, so 5,000 suspected of terror ties. tack on an extra 4,000 suspected of having been radicalized and others connected. just imagine those figure yos i u.s. this is the challenge in the country. it's impossible to track them all. i was speaking earlier with a french presidential candidate on the conservative side. he makes the argument, and this is to say the least, a controversial argument, that there should be preventive
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detention for many suspects. france's system is similar to the u.s., you need to be charged with something to be detained. in light of the terror threat here, you do have political leaders who are calling for more of a preventive, preemptive response. we're seeing a sample of that in the last 24 hours. >> with the raids. >> more than 100 people under house arrest, 23 people detained. >> jean charles, another chilling notion is it's getting harder to track terrorists. not just because of the number, but because they're using craftier methods. >> we've seen that in many plots that we've foiled since january. even for the january attacks on "charlie hebdo," they were using encrypted devices. >> encrypted internet dark web things. >> yes. several phones, also, under other names than their own names. it is still possible to do that in france today. many devices to escape civilians
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and become really unavoidable. >> because officials know that they are using the dark web and encrypted devices, can't they do that, as well, and track them? why aren't intelligence officials one step ahead of them? >> we just adopted a new law a couple months ago that gives the authority to the intelligence services to use the tools to be able to track down the encrypted device. it's really new. it's only implemented now, so it is very difficult to do this. what you've just said. the numbers, we are really overwhelmed by the numbers. >> usually with encrypted communications, and you'll hear this from u.s. intelligence and counter terror officials, is they don't have a go around on that. when they're in the dark, even the enormous power of the nsa, doesn't have the ability to intercept those communications. >> even something like a playstation 4. however, the terrorists are able
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to use. how? >> they use the ability of the system to communicate. again, this is out of reach of the intelligence. we know that afterwards, when the investigation is underway. we cannot prevent that. >> one way they use playstation is during the games, say you're playing a violent game like call of duty, you can talk to another player not with you, and you can discuss shooting and bombs and so on that, in that conversation, sounds like you're talking about a video game. >> yes. >> i mean, it sounds hopeless, quite frankly. it sounds hopeless. we've given the resources to france and other countries and we won't be able to be one step ahead to ft tof the terrorists. >> it's not hopeless. france has been asking europe to put in place free, simple measures. first, the ability to control our own citizens when they're entering the border. today, it is just impossible to do that. >> open border.
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>> by law. >> you want more control. >> for the internal citizens. >> yes. >> second thing is, to have a platform to exchange information, real-time information about suspected terrorists, about radicalized jihadists, et cetera. the third thing is to have european pnr. it's the passenger name records. to be able to exchange data among the european countries. this is still under discussion. this is blocked for political reasons. >> these sound logical. >> they do. listen, a lot of these steps, frankly, reminds me of the process that the u.s. went through after 9/11. you had a lot of issues of sharing with intelligence, even competitive relationships with the fbi and cia, all of which they tried to fix with a director of national intelligence, bringing it together. passenger watch lists. when people say, this is france's 9/11, it's not just rhetoric, hyperbole, you get a
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sense of these steps taken out. >> you get a sense things will have to change after this event. >> we said that about the bombings in 2004. nothing has changed. we said that after the "charlie hebdo" shooting in paris. nothing has changed. hopefully, and i know the french government is pushing for that. hopefully, something will change now. >> jean-charles, jim, thank you for all the information. what was it like to be inside the stadium, watching a soccer match, when the bombs went off outside? we'll speak with a cnn contributor who was there. we'll be right back. what makes this simple salad the best simple salad ever? heart healthy california walnuts. the best simple veggie dish ever? heart healthy california walnuts. the best simple dinner ever? heart healthy california walnuts. great tasting, heart healthy california walnuts. so simple.
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there have been developments all morning from here in paris, from brussels and around the world. now, new threats just released against the united states. isis saying anybody who takes place -- who takes a role in the u.s.-led coalition strikes in syria are also vulnerable to attack themselves. specifically, the united states. this comes from reuters and confirmed by cnn. that has been added into the calculation. this isn't new for isis, to
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threaten the yiunited states, b it is a new threat by isis. in paris, we've seen the french doing a lot within and without their borders. bombing in syria overnight. specifically, on raqqa, known as the isis capital here. raids, 168 we are told, rounding up some 104 people now on house arrest. 23 in actual detention. lots of heavy weaponry found. the likes of which were used until the attacks here on friday. a rocket launcher found. police action in belgium, looking for a believed eighth attacker. suspicion about an eighth suicide rest still in play, as well. that is a developing situation. now, this all originates from what happened here on friday. imagine being one of the men or women who actually survived that and had to see it and all these different locations around paris. the big point of excitement was, of course, the stadium in
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france. france and germany playing in a friendly match. one of the people who was there was simon cooper, a journalist for "the financial times." he lives here. this is his home, and he experienced what it was like to be in that stadium. we're going to talk to him. first, just to recall what it was like that night, here's a listen. [ explosions ]. >> that was the scene. france and germany playing a football match and, all of a sudden, the explosions around the stadium were heard. there were three of them. simon cooper, i'm sorry to meet you under these circumstances. it's about your perspective as a journalist and as a hue monowma lived through it. what was it at that point, realizing it was not a simple explosion? >> i thought these explosions were too loud to be the kind of smoke bombs or firecrackers you get at football matches. i thought, this sounds like a real bomb. most of the stadium seemed
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unaware, play continued. i searched on the internet. there was no news for 20, 30 minutes. we lived under total uncertainty that night of what was happening. it was hard to understand. later, i realized the suicide bombers meant to blow themselves up in front of our eyes on live television. that plot failed. >> it wasn't just the stadium, but other cafes, restaurants and, of course, what was happening at the concert hall. >> i live in this neighborhood. this was the neighborhood that was shot up. i have children at home that night. i was terrified. it was a time of great confusion. also, having to think clearly, making the right decisions for your family is something you try to do. it's only later that you get stressed and start to think about what might have happened. at that moment, you go into adrenaline mode. you think quickly. later, you have to hold it
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together. people are talking about paris being defiant. paris is also confused, scared and human. this is a place of human beings. >> look, we saw it with "charlie hebdo." this much more large scale and wide ranging. for all the misfortunate, you are one of the lucky ones. not everyone you know made it through. how do you cary that wiry that ? >> i want to mention the french football writer. i mean, like any parent, i thought first of my children. i'm thinking now of my children. my children live in a neighborhood that, in ten months, had two major terrorist attacks. "charlie hebdo" is around the corner. how do you raise children in that kind of situation? i don't know. it's a question i'm asking myself. we're dealing with it every day. >> the french have specific vulnerabilities. geographical, dem grdemographic. there's a disconnect between
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french society and this emerging muslim population here which is, of course, also vulnerable to the islamic tendencies that infiltrate. the refugees, a new avenue. do you think the society, because of this, will embrace changes that, to this point, does n hasn't wanted to? >> like in the u.s. after 9/11, the mood of the population is for strong responses, bombing isis, state of emergency, there's support for those things. the french state recommends there's 1 in every 2.5 thousand are terrorists. this is a city where most of the time, we get on well, and we must not confuse these 2,000 jihadis with the muslim origin people living in france.
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>> the people behind us in the republican blplaza, there's embracing and concern going forward. what will it mean when they hear a state of emergency planned for 12 days will be three months? >> people want to be reassured. rightly or wrongly, people want the president to show strength and even aggression. like was wanted of the american president after 9/11. i'm worried that we'll act hastily like the u.s. did after 9/11, and i hope that will will be time to think hard and not act in high emotion only. >> unlike what happened in the aftermath of 9/11, we know who is doing this and we know where they are. they admit it themselves. do you think that changes the calculus, in that the french will not just dedicate air assets, but also ground assets? there is talk about that politically here. would it be acceptable? >> i think we learned two things from 9/11. an invasion of the middle eastern country, maybe not such a good idea.
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secondly, go for the people who did it. i mean, if the u.s. hunted down al qaeda after 9/11, there would have been global support and it probably would have been much more efficient. to go and try to remake the middle east is not something france plans to do now. we've lived through this film before. we watched this 14 years ago. that may save us from some mistakes. >> not just as a journalist but as a father and someone living here, yes, geopolitics matter. for you, it's figuring out, what do you do with your kids and family. we wish you well going forward and a safer tomorrow than you dealt with last week. >> thank you. >> thank you very much. simon kuper, he's one of the lucky ones, despite all he had to live through. he's not alone. so many behind us that we meet when we're on and off television, they're trying to figure out, what does this mean for tomorrow? how do they balance their uncertainty with their desire to be uniquely perisian and live
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here in france, people are trying to regain some sense of normalcy on this, the first business day following friday's terror attack. here at the place de la republique, people are out, refusing to be terrorized. what does france do now? we turn to our cnn international anchor, hala ghara kne gorani? what is happening with france? >> it's the third time since 1848, so historic is the right word, that a french president advances a session of parliament and the nation. this is the huge test for the president. how do you react in the wake of an attack that killed almost 130 french citizens? the french presidency is saying it was organized abroad in syria with the help of french citizens, we now know, on six
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different sites across the capital. this country is traumatized, alison. i was out on the street for a few hours. every single conversation with no exception was about this. i kept trying to overhear everything that was being said around me. everybody was saying, how can it happen? who is it? will they find the other guy? et cetera. it is a country that is getting back on its feet. it is a country that is traumatize and had searching for answers. >> it's not just a speech, it's a request he's going to make today. it'll be historic. tell us about it. >> he's going to request the extension of special powers, state of emergency. this gives the state an authority that it doesn't have during normal times to detain, to conduct surveillance operations. also, there's going to be a lot of appetite, i believe, on the government level to extend france's military involvement abroad. the big question is going to be, will they stop at an aerial campaign, the likes of which we've seen already over the last few months, or will they go in
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deeper? will they do something similar to what they did in mali, for instance, when the islamist's takeover of that country was stopped by french troops? there is a change and shift in public opinion in the country. it is not a country that is, as you know with the 2003 invasion of iraq, readily jumping on military action in the middle action. i'm getting the sense it'll be different. >> we heard from the leader of the far right party who, just this hour, is calling for a change in the refugee policy. >> yes. the leader of the national front. in europe, over the last several years, you've had far right leaning, anti-immigration parties who have capitalized on fears such as the one that may have materialized in the case of a suicide bomber, that refugees are a national threat. she is going to politically benefit from this. she has said, i am calling on france to close its doors to migrants and refugees and, certainly, not have them relocated in various parts, villages and towns, she said in
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the statement by the party, in france. put it in context. france has not received or allowed in that many refugees compared to germany and sweden. politically, there's a bit of scoring going on here. >> it's whether the exception becomes the rule. with the huge number of radicalized jihadis, it pail an comparison to the muslims you have here. you have the muslim population and french society. there hasn't been proper integration. how does that play into this? >> it is true, though you have to put it in context. there are 4 million french muslims. they are born here, have been here generations. there are sections of that population who are certainly more vulnerable to radicalization. it is a small minority, of course. that small minority, when it decides to organize itself, when it allows itself to be brainwashed, when you have some of these young men, 19, 20, 21 years old, who go to syria, train militarily, come back to
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attack their own country, that exists. but the muslim community as a whole in this country, even though there are problems with integration, are fundamentally french. so many of them have come out against and discussed at these attacks. if you look at the victims from the bataclan, many of the names are arab. many of them are muslim. they are, in this case, in the case of this attack, certainly as much victims as any other french person. >> as we have seen, indiscriminate attacks. women, men, muslims, they don't care. hala gorani, great to get your perspective. >> we've seen, as hala was saying, there is a resolve here now in france after what happened on friday's attacks. they did not waste any time in retaliating against isis, as promised. nearly two dozen air strikes on targets in syria. our military expert is going to tell us, they say it's a good start, but is it too little, too late? we take that up after the break.
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france launching its most intense air assaults on isis targets in syria, including a command center, training base and recruiting center in raqqa. the air strikes coming as a growing number of countries are under attack by isis. here with us is a former member of the joint chiefs of staff. it's a pleasure to have you here. >> thanks, michaela. >> we need the context, the understanding. let's talk about the cobombardmt from french fighter jets going on in raqqa as we speak. give us context about the focus
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on raqqa. >> so the focus on raqqa, michaela, is because that's the de facto capital of isis. the reason you strike raqqa is you want to show them you will go after their top echelon. the top echelon is going to be in raqqa or around raqqa. at least that's the theory. you go after that because you want to, in essence, decapitate an organization like isis, so it can't do the things it's doing. >> isis saying it was non-operational, nobody was there. we're hearing from our sources they were operational sites. talk about the french strategy going forward. are the air strikes going to be enough? we understand the importance of intelligence on the ground. it speaks to the effectively of the air strikes. >> it does. the reason what you see here is this fog of war issue, and what you're going to have is you're going to have them say certain things were not operational when, in fact, they were. what they're trying to do is mask what happened to them. so the french strategy ask going to be one in which they go after this. it will not be sufficient to do
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this from the air alone. you need some ground presence in order to go after this type of target. we're looking at an emorphous target. >> targeting the trucks the group is using to smuggle in crude oil was happening before the attacks. this is a new strategy. planned before the paris attacks. why would that not have been done before? it seems like an obvious. >> it should have been done before. what they're doing is, first of all, they're trying to figure out where their lines of supply are. there may have been an issue where they couldn't find exactly where they were. they also wanted to hit them for maximum effect. you want to get a concentration of fuel vehicles, convey, where you go after them and say, this is exactly what we're looking for. then you attack it. in this particular case, they warned the drivers to get out of their trucks before they struck. when they did that, that was showing them, we're going to go
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after your economic inf infrastructure but don't want to affect your civilians. >> interesting. we're on the map to give context and perspective. isis claiming responsibility for attacks in egypt, lebanon and france. what do you make of isis' capability of having these coordinated attacks in a widespread area? >> well, they're going global. this is, in essence, the -- >> they've threatened that. >> they're doing it for real. the paris attacks and the threat to attack washington, that idea is idea very specific to a glob strategy isis had. they started being in the middle east, being for their caliphate in the area they control. they wont to go not only into north africa and the northern middle east, they want to extend into europe and eventually into the united states. what they want to do is they, in essence, want to make the world safe for their brand of islam. that is what they're trying to do. >> that makes it not safe for anybody else. we look at egypt when we think about this reign of terror, if
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you will. egypt, they're claiming responsibility for the downing of metro jet 9268. you look at beirut, a suicide bomb there, targeting shiite muslims. isis claimed responsibility. then we look to paris and what has happened there. this is a long way from the home region of isis, the stronghold. what is that telling you, and how concerning and difficult is that to combat? >> well, it's very difficult because isis is this emorphous organization. even if you go after them in raqqa, which is good, it's not going to be sufficient. they'll use their ability to get into europe and potentially get into the united states to attack these areas and do it with great propaganda effect. that's what they want to achieve. they want a major propaganda victory, and they want to do it with a maximum loss of life on our side. that's why you saw what you saw in paris. >> maximum loss of life,
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horrifying. i hate that you have to be here, but i appreciate your insight and expertise. thank you for joining us on "new da day." >> thank you. >> we have a special edition of "newsroom" with anderson cooper, live in paris. it'll give after a short break. olay regenerist
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good morning to our viewers watching in the united states and around the world. i'm anderson cooper live from paris. a lot to report on in this hour. isis speaks to the world just a short time ago. a new propaganda tape praises the attacks in paris and vowing to unleash new carnage elsewhere. the new isis targets french allies, including a threat of a strike on washington, d.c. meanwhile, police launch more than 150 raids here in france. within the last few hours, this sweep in neighboring belgium. two dozen people are now in custody. more than 100 others are under house arrest. also, a global man hunt now underway for this man who may have been involved in the attacks. salah


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