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good evening and listen hard, you might hear the first hint of a what trump/clinton nomination may be like. we're getting an early preview of the kind of race they may be running against each other. details from brianna keilar. >> reporter: hillary clinton fresh off a sweep last night. >> this is another super tuesday for our campaign. >> reporter: the democratic front-runner bringing home victories in four states adding to her delegate lead over bernie sanders. >> we are moving closer to securing the democratic party nomination and winning this election in november. >> reporter: with the math and the momentum in her favor, clinton is looking to the general election. >> our commander in chief has to be able to defend our country, not embarrass it. >> reporter: she's taking aim at gop front-runner donald trump, treating him as the presumptive
nominee. >> our next president has to bring our country together so we can all share in the promise of america. we should be breaking down barriers, not building walls. >> reporter: trump firing back at clinton on cnn today. >> she's under federal investigation. she doesn't have the strength or stamina to be president. she talks about defeating our enemies. where has she been for the last year? we can't even beat isis. she wouldn't know how to defeat the enemies. it's ridiculous. so i think she's an embarrassment and we'll see what happens. >> reporter: he followed up with a video post slamming clinton as incapable of taking on leaders like russia's vladimir putin. the back and forth, a preview of a potential general election matchup, even as sanders presses on with his campaign. >> next week, arizona has a very important election.
we will win if the voter turnout is high. let's make it high. >> brianna keilar joins us now. are the campaigns expected to ramp up again before we get to week's end? >> we are expecting it to ramp up kind of going into next week because, of course, tuesday is another big day. you have idaho, utah and arizona. so what we're expecting certainly from donald trump and from hillary clinton, although the details are not finalized, is that they are going to head out west and try to court those voters. but it's also very expensive to have a primary battle, which these candidates, though the front-runners still have, hillary clinton is going to be focusing on fundraising here at the end of the week, kind of taking a break off the campaign trail that she needs to build up for. >> brianna keilar, thanks. back to our panel. margaret, what do you think a matchup between these two will be like? >> i think it's going to be
bloody. here's the challenge. they are both quite unlikable to key constituencies that they have to win. trump is unlikable to mine north. his unfavorability is high, 76% with african-americans and 46% with latinos. you have to win some minority votes. likewise, hillary clinton has to win mine nororities and women a millennials. the turnout for minorities doesn't even begin to rival 2008. she's going to have to win over the youth going for bernie sanders. >> but this can be used by the other side to get out votes. just as they may be not beloved by large numbers of people or percentages, they are also hated by people who will come out to vote against them. >> yeah. yeah. that's absolutely right. i've often said the thing that
makes donald trump interesting is that he's a cultural figure but he's always been a cultural figure. now he's becoming a politician. hillary clinton, on the other hand, began as a politician but, you know, like cher, she's got the one-name recognition like donald trump. and i really think that this ingenders a certain animosity as it does for donald trump. in her case, though, the question is, donald trump has a lot of enthusiastic supporters. i don't know that she has enthusiastic supporters, people that will just do and die for hillary clinton. >> what is your animosity to cher? >> i love cher. >> by the way, cher watches this program so i don't want to hear anything bad about cher. >> to hear donald trump talk about hillary clinton already as not having the strength and stamina reminds me of what he did to jeb bush. >> yeah. >> where last summer he was -- he called jeb bush a low-energy candidate and by the way, that
stuck in jeb bush's head and what he's doing here is either referring to her femininity, she doesn't have the strength to be president, stamina, the fact that she was ill at the end of her tenure as secretary of state. you know, these are things that i believe are going to come back in this race. >> do you think both know how to run against the -- they have both been able to watch the primary battles. do you think both have learned how to run against each other? >> i think donald trump feels emboldened running against hillary because what he did when they started to come after him and then he nailed the clintons on the sex scandals and reminded people of that sordid history which tamped down some of the clinton attacks on him for a time. i don't know. we talked about this earlier. i don't know that the clinton world knows exactly what to do but i can tell you this, they have a research book probably about five feet high on donald trump. let's not forget that they are both in new york.
donald trump has a checkered past and they will use those things against him. they may not resonate with the republican voters in the primary but when you get into a general election and you start trotting out the people, the small business owners that have been screwed over by him and his bankruptcies, the women that he spoke to like that, the ad that came out recently that showed women speaking his own language and saying that's our mothers, our daughters, our sisters, those kinds of images are very powerful in a general election. that's just -- >> what's interesting -- the only thing that seems to bother him is when people talk about his business record. >> right. >> i think we should stay away from his hands as a subject but trump university being this really shabby organization. you know, the fact that he's licensed his businesses to so many -- >> or the bankruptcies. >> the las vegas bankruptcies. that is something that certainly seems to bother him. i don't know if moves many voters. >> in the general, i think it
will have an impact. >> hillary clinton is not the inspiring figure for a lot of democrats that barack obama was but she doesn't have democrat who loathe her. the bernie sanders people will get behind hillary clinton. donald trump is presiding over a broken party and historically if you look at american elections, parties that are divided do not win presidential elections. >> that's been practiced. >> the clinton campaign has leaked exactly how they are going to run against him. they have said they are going to paint him as a heartless businessman, go after his record against women and paint him as erratic and they are not hard to prove. he's given ample to other republicans at that. >> i've spoke to him about this topic a couple of years ago when i interviewed him for the american spectator and i say that one of the complaints that republicans had about mitt romney, john mccain, moderate republican nominees in general is that they don't fight back
and i -- and i said specifically, if you ran for president, what would you do? and he said, in essence, oh, yeah, i will fight back. >> the sexism charge from hillary clinton, he not only didn't take it, he went right after her. so any of these charges that we're talking about here, believe me, he'll come at that. >> but in a general election -- >> hillary clinton is a fighter, too. i mean, she's been through a lot. we've all watched it over the last 30 years, right? hillary clinton knows how to fight back, also. and so she will be able to take it to him, oddly enough, i think, in ways that some of those other men on the stage couldn't in a way that maybe carly fiorina did quite well. >> right. remember, her defining moment in her senate race against rick who wanted to be really aggressive, walked over to her space to get this thing to sign about pac donations? that was a disaster. the dynamics in a race against a
woman and we'll see how this works once you enter a general election against a fee pamale. >> a lot of people look at hillary clinton and they don't see, she's a woman and you need to be respectful. she was going to play the woman card and i'm a grandma. that's gone out the window. >> i think the general election is different. >> hillary clinton is as tough as nails and i don't think people want to hear i'm a woman victim thing. >> i don't think that's over. you know, it's also worth remembering that hillary clinton is the most famous and admired woman in the world. she has a lot of people who don't like her but the fact that she is a grandmother, that she would be the first woman president, that is nonissue that has gone away. and there are people who out there who will be impressed by that. >> i think in this election climate, it's less important than it would have been. barack obama has taken the historical value thing which reached critical mass in 2008. i don't know. if you look at millennials
supporting bernie sanders, and when they are asked what do you think about the first woman president, they really don't care. >> what we think is going to happen -- >> that's right. >> who could have predicted, except for you, jeffrey lord. >> and very often, there's foreign policy. it gets inserted. the october surprise, we always talk about. you never know what's going to happen the last three months and how they react as potential presidents. >> which is why there is a marathon and things change over time that you can never predict. >> look what happened with john mccain in 2008. he was doing fairly well until the financial crisis and the way he handled that destroyed his campaign after that. most people don't -- i guess this time around it may be different but those people really don't pay attention until after labor day. right? that's usually the way it's
been. that's why they call it the october surprise. people are focused on the election going into it and who knows, six months away from now -- >> a lot more to talk about, including what a contested convention could look like and my conversation with former candidate carly fiorina, her thoughts on ted cruz's chances. and a north korea sentences a student to 15 years of hard labor for stealing a banner from a hotel. north korea sentences a student to 15 years of hard labor for stealing a banner from a hotel. north korea sentences a student to 15 years of hard labor for stealing a banner from a hotel.
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as we've been reporting, another big night for donald trump last night as he picked up wins in three more states but he did lose to john kasich in ohio. ted cruz is warning that it's impossible for kasich to become the nominee, pointing out that only he himself has defeated trump multiple times. cruz also said it was a good night for him despite not winning any state. earlier today i spoke with former president candidate carly fiorina who has endorsed him. >> ms. fiorina, thanks for joining us. how do you think ted cruz had a good night? he lost north carolina, ohio, and appears to have narrowly lost missouri, which is virtually every state that voted yesterday. >> i don't think anyone expected him to win florida or ohio. he did pick up delegates and he is the only candidate with a path. >> how do you see ted cruz's path, though? because other than a contested convention. >> here's the thing. donald trump has been winning in
ownership primaries. that's where democrats and independents can also vote. he's been losing in closed primaries or caucuses and the contests that are coming up are closed, which means only republicans can vote for their nominee. and i actually think republicans should vote for their nominee as opposed to democrats and independents, some of whom haven't voted before. so it's not that it's not a good thing that they are voting perhaps but realistically, ted cruz has never been in a situation, until today, where we are down to so few candidates and closed primaries favor him. we know that and we also know from the data that people who are late deciders, generally speaking, break away from donald trump, not towards him. >> do you think ted cruz and other candidates, yourself included, underestimated donald trump in terms of -- did cruz and others, yourself included, think that he would maybe just implode or drop out before going after him?
>> oh, i think we all underestimated donald trump. i mean, i'll just say, i was surprised that donald trump entered the race in the first place. i frankly have been shocked by the unparalleled amount of media attention that he has gotten. so, yes, i think we underestimated the role the media would play. i think we underestimated the fact that he got in this thing and is in it to win it, apparently, not just for a lark. absolutely yes. and as i said the moment he got into this race, donald trump does not represent me and he does not represent my party. and i think it is critical that we beat him and i think it is critical that we beat him at the ballot box and that is why i've endorsed ted cruz, among other reasons and why i'm working so hard to help him win the nomination. >> you point to the media as being responsible for giving a lot of attention to donald tr p trump. something ted cruz does as well.
donald trump returned phone calls and was willing to do interviews. cnn repeatedly reached out to follow you along on the campaign trail, to do specials and were rebuffed time and time again, the same with ted cruz. is it really fair to just point the finger at the media because donald trump was actually willing to do interviews? >> well, first of all, i think that your characterization of the campaign is inaccurate. >> you did turn out requests from cnn? >> i went on cnn many times. that's also fair to say that cnn -- excuse me, if i could answer the question. cnn always had a very particular schedule. and believe it or not, when you're running for office, sometimes a more important item is to actually meet with voters. but i would say this. every objective assessment of the media coverage that donald trump has received, including by your own reporters and media analysts, every objective assessment, concludes the same
thing. that donald trump has gotten far more coverage than all the other candidates combined. so i think, is it fair to say that donald trump has hit a nerve with voters? of course. is it also fair to say that the media has played a role in his rise no matter what he says and does? of course. >> carly fiorina, good to talk to you again. thank you very much. >> thanks. as we've been reporting, it's looking more and more like the republicans could be on the road to a contested convention, the convention set for july in cleveland. and the magic number to clinch the nomination is 1237 delegates. still, a lot of questions to be answered between now and july. trump says even if he falls short of the magic number, that he should get the nomination, for instance, and predicts there will be riots if there's a contested convention. riot, threats aside, though, we wanted to look at what a contested convention would look like. tom foreman joins us to explain.
>> anderson, you mentioned the magic number. what that means is the number of delegates that any one of these guys has to get to clinch the nomination. and this is the delegate count right now. so you see they still have some way to go. if anyone gets to it, it's all over. if not, if you get to july and the convention and nobody has that number, you already have what's called a contested convention. and what that means is that the first vote on the floor of all of these delegates won't just be for show, it will count. now, obviously, if trump, for example, had a big lead going into that, there's a good chance he could win on the first ballot and it would be all over. but if he doesn't, everything changes because at that point, some of these dalgs become unbound. they no longer have to reflect the voting and the delegates could be changing their allegiances and the outcome of all of this becomes much more
uncertain, anderson. >> trump says if he doesn't get a nomination, there could be riots. is it plausible that the nomination could be taken away from him? >> it could be in the sense that they could start fiddling with the rules and throw out all of the states where there is any question about his win but it's not really that likely for several reasons. first of all, the popular vote. no party wants to go out and have millions of americans tell them their preference and then just shove that out of window because the party doesn't like it. secondly, the rules. right now, there's a rule on the republican side that says you can't even be considered for the nomination unless you've won eight states. that could further constrict their options other than trump if he's the guy out front. and lastly, anderson, it all comes down to the democrats. the republican bosses know, as upset as they may be about the things happening in their party right now, if they lose enthusiasm, momentum through a really nasty, dirty convention, that could split their
constituencies so badly it would effectively hand the victory over to the opposing party. anderson? >> tom foreman, thanks. president obama makes his supreme court pick with republicans vowing to block any nomination. we'll look at that next. only miralax hydrates, eases and softens to unblock naturally, so you have peace of mind from start to finish. love your laxative. miralax. weinto a new american century. born with a hunger to fly and a passion to build something better. and what an amazing time it's been, decade after decade of innovation, inspiration and wonder. so, we say thank you america for a century of trust, for the privilege of flying higher and higher, together. ♪
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battlefield reporting now. with two branches of government at war over a third, the party in control of the senate saying flat out no, not holding hearings. many republican senators refusing to meet with the nominee who, in this case, happens to be a long-serving and highly regarded member of the federal bench. the president trying to expose what he is seeing as splpolitic motivations. the latest from justice correspondent pamela brown. >> today i nominate merrick garland to join the supreme court court. >> reporter: chief judge for the d.c. appeals court. >> i have selected a nominee who is widely recognized not only as one of america's sharpest legal
minds but someone who brings to his work a spirit of decency, modesty, integrity, evenhandedness. >> reporter: an emotional judge garland looking on. >> this is the greatest honor of my life, other than lynn agreeing to marry me 28 years ago. >> reporter: the white house touts judge garland is having more judicial experience than any nominee in history, serving two decades on the bench. before that, he prosecuted timothy mcveigh in the oklahoma city bombing case. >> a ryder truck was seen there. >> reporter: the president considers the chicago native a consensus nominee. he was appointed to the d.c. appeals court by president bill clinton in 1997 and confirmed by a 76-23 senate vote with bipartisan supporters, including
orrin hatch. >> i support the nomination of mr. garland and encourage my colleagues to do the same. >> reporter: the ball now is in the republican's court but they continue to vow there will be no hearing for a nominee until a new president is elected. >> give the people a voice in filling this vacancy. >> reporter: and they are using vice president biden's own words against him from his day as a senate judiciary committee chairman. >> here's what he said. it would be our pragmatic conclusion -- >> that once the political season is under way, and it is, action on a supreme court nomination must be put off until after the election campaign is over. >> reporter: mcconnell went on to dub it a biden rule, getting a lot of support on capitol hill, including house speaker paul ryan. >> co-equal branch of government has every right not to act on that nomination. >> reporter: biden shot back on twitter saying, there's only one biden rule i followed while in the senate. every scotus nominee gets a
hearing, committee vote and floor vote. senate democrats are joining that. >> we hope they will prevail on chuck grassley and on mitch mcconnell to do their job. >> reporter: for garland, this day is especially poignant, having been passed over twice before for a seat on the high court. >> mr. president, it's a great privilege to be nominated by a fellow chicagoan. i am grateful beyond words for the honor you have bestowed upon me. >> pamela brown joins me. is the judge himself going to meet with skeptical republicans or can he? >> well, there certainly is a divide in the republican party with the senators, who is going to meet with garland and who isn't. so the senate majority leader mitch mcconnell spoke to him on the phone but said he will not meet with him in person. chuck grassley, the chairman of the judiciary committee, seems to be noncomittal and then there
are other who say they will be happy to meet with him in person, such as senator collins. but what's clear here, most of the republicans are sticking to the party line that they will not hold a hearing. they are sticking to that and the white house, though, is holding out hope that without the public pressure on them, that they will change course and end upholding the hearing. so we'll have to see how it plays out. >> pamela brown, thanks very much. what went into the decision to pick judge garland, michelle kosinski is joining us from the white house. we just heard from pam brown saying that republicans have been critical of the president's push to nominate garland. what are members of his own party saying about his choice? >> reporter: hi, anderson. what most prominent republicans are saying it's obstruction, bad for america, that it would be unprecedented and that this needs to move forward. but there are some liberal groups out there who have some issues with the candidate himself saying that this could have been a more progressive
choice, the nominee could have represented diversity much better and some people are worried that garland could be bad for criminal justice reform because of the way he's ruled in several cases, often ruling for the government. anderson? >> is the white house actually optimistic that the judge will ultimately sit on the supreme court? >> reporter: that's a good question. they don't want to flat out say, we don't think this is ever going to happen and they don't want to say that it will. they have been expressing some optimism, especially when there is a little bit of movement. we've seen a handful of republicans saying they may be willing to meet with garland even though that doesn't mean that doesn't mean they will give him a shot at a hearing. they've seen republicans change their tune in the past. we've seen that recently with the budget, with raising the federal debt limit. so the white house says, this could happen. that some republicans could change their minds. they don't want to say that this is going owl tall the way.
the white house wants to frame this as the ultimate consensus nominee, someone so moderate with such stellar credentials, that if republicans don't give him a chance, they will look as bad as possible and will inflict the maximum political damage right before the election. anderson? >> michelle kosinski, thank you. back with our panel, jeff, does anyone know how this is going to play out? >> what we don't do often enough is listen to what the politicians are saying. the republicans are saying, we are not giving him a hearing. we are not giving him a vote. i don't think they are going to give him a hearing or a vote. >> this pressure could somehow change that? >> this seat is too important to republicans. they know there are four democratic appointees and four republican appointees. this could be the first liberal majority on the supreme court since the late 1960s. >> you're saying this the most important decision for -- i'm sorry, in what? >> in more than a generation. >> uh-huh. because virtually all the
vacancies that have taken place, you have had conservatives replacing conservatives, liberals replacing liberals. this is the potential for a liberal to replace a conservative or a moderate to replace a conservative with the court divided 4-4. so the republicans are willing to do whatever it takes, including take a little heat for being obstructionists to stop this from happening. now, the risk, of course, that they take, instead of getting a 63-year-old moderate from barack obama, they get a 45-year-old liberal from hillary clinton next year. but, you know, that's also -- >> that's also the political way to look at this from the democratic side is that if the republicans are obstructionists, that could motivate people to go to the polls. >> sure. >> if enough people are upset about it. >> that's right. and that's why you're going to hear hillary clinton and bernie sanders talk about the fact that they believe congress is not fulfilling its constitutional obligation. i will tell you, though, that mitch mcconnell knows an awful lot about the constitution and
they believe that there are no limits on how the senate discharges its authority to advise and consent, which means that they don't have to do anything and they -- that's their interpretation of the constitution. it's perfectly valid. there's another valid interpretation of the constitution because it is not written in the constitution. and mitch mcconnell made it very clear to democrats that it's their fault because back in 2006, barack obama, when he was a senator and other senators decided that they could filibuster justice -- now justice alito and he is effectively saying, you started it. right. but this is his argument to them. you guys started it. >> you know, it's one thing to not vote for the guy, right? even to demand -- even to filibuster and demand that they win 60 votes. it's another to not even give a hearing, not even allow the guy to come to your office. that seems to me where the kind of political cowardice is here.
go through the motions and vote against him. but to not even allow him to make his case seems to me to be stretching the boundaries of -- >> is it cowardice? >> he wouldn't be as objectionable -- >> they like him. >> i've worked on five court nominations while in the white house political office and a couple appeals court one after that in the bush era. and for chief justice roberts. i can only tell you the politics of this stuff stinks. this stuff is so bad -- >> what does that mean? >> the -- frankly, if you go back to the nixon era, when nixon nominated both of them for the same vacancy that was just cities powell -- and the politics of it has become so bad because what began with democrats saying, you know, we're not going to do this, we're not going to do this, we're not going to do this and
then switch to republicans and then they basically said the same thing. so now you've got this just ocean of mistrust here. on top of which you've got in the base of each party people are saying, we want this seat, more or less, as jeff has indicated. so it's terrible. and i just don't see any way out of this. >> the politics of this actually don't make any sense at all. i mean, the republicans and conservatives had really bad luck as justice scalia died. >> what do you think of justice scalia's luck? >> we are not going to get a better nominee under a hillary clinton presidency. we are just simply not. if you look at the way the nomination is going, conservatives don't trust that he would put up a strict originalist to be a nominee anyway. >> very quickly and then we've got to go. >> this is where the challenge becomes really important for the
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we've been talking about the new political landscape that super tuesday three has carved out. in the democratic race, hillary clinton won four, possibly five states. the question is, where does that leave bernie sanders? does he still have a viable path forward? john king is back to break it down by the numbers. the word inevitable is back after the strong night that clinton had last night. map out, if you can, a plausible sanders comeback. >> the come back is a big question because with inevitable
becomes a lot of talk that hillary clinton's lead is insurmountable. three contests next tuesday. you see them there in arizona and idaho and utah. and then you come up forward to saturday the 26th, hawaii, alaska and washington state, all good territory for bernie sanders and then the primary on april 5th. now, let's come over here. we have 359 delegates over the course of those primaries. here's our state of play today. hillary clinton starting to pull away, almost at the halfway point in the nomination chase and right now she's on the path to convince -- a path to clinch if she keeps winning at the rate she's winning. let's say bernie sanders wins them all. clinton thinks she's going to win in arizona but for the sake of argument, i'm going to give them all to arizona. then let's say he wins washington, alaska and even wins wisconsin. now, the clinton campaign doesn't think that's going to happen. even if bernie sanders swept the next three nights of contests, look what would happen. if the contests are around
55-45, yes, he would narrow the gap a little bit but remember, clinton has superdelegates in her back pocket. that's a dream scenario for sanders. and if you talk to the clinton campaign, they think they are going to win arizona and rough split of the delegates. they think they are going to win arizona and think they have a got shot at wisconsin. if this happens, then she's started to pull away even more and keeps her lead. that's 300 plus delegates right there. for the sake of argument, this is probably a little more favorable to sanders. even if hillary clinton only wins one of the next three big nights, she's still going to stretch the map so sanders can claim he has momentum but because of the democratic proportional rules, it's almost impossible to catch up. >> despite her dominance, clinton needs a higher percentage to clinch the trump on the gop side, right? >> donald trump needs about 54%. it's probably lower than that
when we get done allocating on the republican side. donald trump needs about 54, 55%, maybe lower from here on out. hillary clinton needs 59%. even though she's dominating and winning many more states than bernie sanders because of the proportional democratic rules, she needs about 59. so 6 out of 10 democratic delegates. which means she can't stumble but to beat her, bernie sanders has to start winning 65/35. even if hillary clinton is losing, even if she's losing some states, 52/48 and then winning some, 55-45, she'll continue the march. >> john king, thanks. back with our panel, gloria borger, bernie sanders will probably stay through even if he's not going to get the nomination. >> he's had a huge impact on this race and he's got a lot of money. what's the reason for him to get out? as long as they are not name calling on the republican side, you know that democrats are happier voters, that each
candidate is acceptable, that if hillary clinton were to become the nominee, as you were saying earlier, the sanders voters -- >> do you think there will tb ton democratic debates? if you're hillary clinton, do you want to be on a stage with bernie sanders? >> i would say town halls. i would say that they are getting very big audiences and that if you're a presidential candidate, you don't want to turn down an audience like that if it's not going to be contentious. >> and hillary clinton is a different candidate with different views on the issues because bernie sanders is right and that's a tremendous influence, even if you don't win. you know, free trade used to be something that, you know, the clintons were very much associated it, nafta and the like. donald trump has contributed to the skeptacism of free trade. income inequality is a -- you know, it's a core issue now that every democrat has to address. >> beyond that, the next
democratic nominee after hillary clinton will look more like bernie sanders ideologically than the way hillary clinton was. the party demographically, because of the influence of millennials, is moving left and her presidency, if she wins, will be different. she will not be able to nominate the same kind of people to the treasury department that bill clinton did. when she tries to nominate people from wall street, there will be a revolt from bernie sanders and elizabeth warren. >> we've already seen that she's been pulled to the left, pulled to the left. she's made some pretty extreme comments on immigration and other things and that can hurt her. it will come back to haunt her in a general election. i'm sure they don't want that. >> i want to thank all of our panelists. coming up tonight, a true nightmare for a north korean student. sentenced to 15 years of hard labor for anywhere else would barely mention, even if it were true, efforts on the way to free him.
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prints from a banner allegedly stolen. they claim this is proof that american student otto frederick warmbier. >> my ses ter needs me. i beg you see i am only humen. >> it didn't work. warmbie is sentenced to 15 years hard labor. >> what are the conditions he'll be facing? >> he may be forced to work in agriculture as it happened with other american prisoners. he may spend his days planting apple trees, for example. it will be fairly grueling forced labor. it is very likely that he will be interrogated by agents of the state security department.
this is the north korean gestapo, the internal security agency, if you will. >> human rights groups say similar conditions were experienced by kenneth bay, who was held for about two years. tonight otto warmbier's family is not commenting on the sentence. >> the department believes the sentence is unduly harsh for the actions he alleged live toly to. >> the regime claims he was encouraged to steal the banner by his church, a secret organization at his school, the university of virginia and the cia. kenneth bay and math othew mill
were also accused and were released much earlier. >> i would say that otto warmbier would stand a fair chance of being released about six months after his arrest. >> is north korea trying to use this prisoner for leverage? >> reporter: very likely they are. u.s. officials are telling us it's likely in this case the north koreans will use this young man as leverage to try to get an important american to come over to north korea and make a political show of getting him out. james clapper went to north korea in 2014 to get kenneth bay and matthew todd miller out of north korean custody. former presidents bill clinton and jimmy carter have made similar mission there is. we're being told that could be in the cards.
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hillary clinton, being the only woman is taken to task. what passes for fair game isn't necessarily fair. jeanne moos reports. >> reporter: she's used to getting shoutouts, as well as shouting at her audience, shouting everything from her gratitude to her web site. >> hillary clinton.com! >> reporter: but between her hoarse voice and her volume, critics cover their ears, hillary shouting her speech tweeted media critic howard kurtz. what's she mad at wondered fox's britt hume? last month journalist bob woodward declared -- >> she shouts. there is something unrelaxed about the way she is communicating. >> reporter: but when joe scarborough advised smile, you just had a big night, he got an earful from hillary supporters crying sexist. comedian i kate spencer
captioned me when someone tells a woman to smile. you want to see a smile? here as a smile. oh, you want a bigger smile? here's a bigger smile. and in a cameo on "broad city" wednesday, well, you don't get smiles much bigger than this. the male candidates sure aren't above raising their voices. >> and then as soon as we left, they knocked the [ bleep ] out of everybody. >> excuse me, i'm talking. >> no, no, no, no! >> reporter: hillary is awhich are -- aware of the shouting critique. >> i'm told when i talk to you, i should talk to you --
[ whispering ] >> you want to win, you know what you do? yell. in fact, this phone isn't even plugged in. >> i'm smiling. we see you at midnight eastern for another edition of "360." "cnn tonight" with don lemon starts now. >> if there is one thing we know about this campaign, is that the conventional wisdom is usually wrong but this may be the biggest surprise of them all. this is "cnn tonight." i'm don lemon. america has never seen a matchup like this, a billionaire reality tv star, a woman who has been preparing for this race her entire adult life but most americans doesn't like the front-runners. >> what would that mean for donald trump and hillary clinton if