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have against hillary clinton. then you have the pending indictment that could come down from the fbi. it is very possible that donald trump or a gop candidate could beat hillary clinton in the general. >> amanda, adriana. thank you very much. that segment took a turn i was not anticipating. let's let the conversation continue. thank you all for joining me. our special news coverage of the very important story we're covering, the attacks out of brussels, belgium, continues right now. this is cnn breaking news. >> top of the hour, i'm poppy h harlowe in for ashleigh banfield. we begin with breaking news. out of the pentagon. ash carter just confirmed the death of the isis terrorist described as isis' finance minister. and by many accounts believed to be the number two no the terror
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organization. barbara starr joins me with that. you were just at the pentagon. what more do we know about the man whose name we noul know is abd al rahman mustafa al qaduli. >> hi had a high price on his head before he was killed. this operation coming at a time when there is so much focus on the isis leadership. sec care tarter talking about the cells. the ones we see in brussels, may be inspired or directed by the isis leadership in iraq. there's no word on whether he directed anything himself. it's an ongoing concern. it's one of the reasons they're trying to get to the top leadership. as finance minister, with him gone, the hope is it will become
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more difficult for isis to recruit people. bring them into the organization. and pay them to stay. so they hope that this has an impact. will someone else take his place? almost certainly. that's what happens in the terror organizations. for now, they do feel they took out a very senior, very significant isis operative, poppy. >> you have the feeling, listening to the defense secretary say that today as the pentagon, talking about the fact that this is the person who would likely take over if isis' leader, al baghdadi, were to be taken out. they've taken out what is presumed to be number two. the question is how? i know they wouldn't goat into specifics. do you know, was this special ops, the expeditionary force? >> what was most interesting in that press conference is what the secretary would not talk about. and that was how it was done.
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and that is because -- multiple sources are now telling cnn the operation to take him out did happen in syria. it was u.s. special operations. and that means it was the expeditionary targeting force. this was a unit carter and the pentagon set up to go after the most high-value targets in iraq. they've already done that to some extent. this may well be the first operation in syria. for them to go into syria is a much more dangerous proposition. they did, we're told, go into syria to go after him. what should be said, when these special operations forces do execute a mission, it means they have spent days looking at the target. watching, waiting, to see where the person goes. how they move. who may be around them. this was an ben is jens-driven operation that clearly has been
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under way for days. >> barbara starr. thank you. this is someone with deep terrorist roots. someone who worked under al zarkoui. within the past few hours, the brussels neighborhood of schaerbeek was the scene. one man was shot and arrested. this was the area where a taxi driver picked up three men who bombed the brussels airport on tuesday morning. one of the men in the light jacket and the hat is, or was, on the loose. whether he is the man arrested in that neighborhood today, just not clear at this hour. overnight, security forces picked up at least six terror suspects in various parts of brussels. police in germany arrested two men in two different cities with alleged ties to the trough cell.
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another man was arrested near paris,n't sd of quote highen involvement in an advanced plot. u.s. secretary of state brought a u.s. pledge to support brussels this morning. he sat down afterwards with our erin burnett. he said the group's days are numbered. >> there isn't one single country anywhere that supports that. we will destroy them. every region that surrounds it is aposed to dash. and the sooner we can deal wit, the sooner we'll have an ability to go after them and deliver on the promise i've just made. >> our fred pleitgen was on the
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fringe of the raids. what have you seen? >> it was major operation going on here, poppy. a lot of plolice officers. a bomb squad on the scene the entire time. we were talking to eyewitnesses as this was going on. they said there was an individual on the platform of the tram behind me. that person was carrying a rifle. the police came, and shot the person in way that did not kill him. he was merely wounded. after that, the bomb squad moved in. they had a robot. that robot investigated to see if there was anything in the backpack that the man was carrying. the raid, i would say took several hours. it happened in the schaerbeek area. there have been a lot of raids
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here in the last few days. and the main bomb maiking facility was in this area. this area had been cordoned off by police. the cops are slowly making their way out of the area. this has repoepd this was a high-powered, very fast-moving operation. the belgian police, we can see they're steps up their operations. to try to find any additional people that might be behind the attacks that happened here on tuesday, poppy. >> what about last night? we saw these live raids and the apartment hunt taking place late last night. six arrested made. any more details on who was detained, their significant? >> it's hard to say. six people were arrested overnight. one of those major raids right here in the schaerbeek area as well. we know that there were three
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people who were arrested right in front of the federal prosecutor's office here in brussels. it's unclear if they'll be charged. there was a statement put out by the federal prosecutor a couple of minutes ago confirming the arrests and saying the investigation is still ongoing. they want to see whether or not these people will be charged with anything. the person taken into custody after being shot here, right here, a couple of moments ago, as this operation was going on, the police has said that they believe that person is linked to the terror attacks that happened here on tuesday. pop poppy? >> just shows the e nnormity of this cell. let's talk more about the significant of all of this. paul cruikshank is with us.
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why is this so significant? >> well, what we're seeing over the -- especially over the last year, the intelligence community, and the intelligence operations on the ground in iraq and syria have got son much better. when we first started doing this, we had very little idea where these people were, how they were operating, how they're communicating. and now, given the operations secretary carter described in his press meeting tell us us they're develops much, much better sources. if you're going after the number two guy in isis. you don't have to know where he was. you have to know where he's going to be. who he's going to be with. the exact timeline. what is the security? the mere scope of the operation in syria tells us we're developing excellent intelligence. if we can do this, it sends a message that we can go after anyone. i think our intelligence is so much better now. >> and paul, one of the key
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strengths of isis has been their money. how incredibly well-funded. how flush with cash they are. the fact that not only do they go after the finance minister and killed him, but they went after the warehouses housing the cash. >> that's right. they're under some financial pressure now that documents, which were recovered, suggesting the salaries of isis leaders have been cut in two. that can create dissension in the ranks. lots of rumors of bickering between the fighters. some violence. they're not getting along as well because there's not as much cash to grease the wheels as there was before. they're less able to pay foreign fighters. less able to pay local fighters. that weakens them for sure. however, isis is a resilient
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organization. nay have significant safe haven in these areas. a big strong hold in mosul still. this is not tend of days of isis that we're seeing out here. but i think what we can say is this is the end of the days of impru impunity for isis' leadership. this is a big message. we can get you been we can get the top. >> sure, where is the person that would repalace al baghdadi. >> why are we making these details public? they didn't go into the execution details. >> it was interesting, if you watched the news conference, what the secretary said, but what he didn't say. and barbara alluded to this. i don't want to talk about the details of the operation. earlier on, we were told it was not a drone strike. he kind of walked that back.
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we had to have forces on the ground there if it wasn't an air strike or a drone strike. these are high-risk missions. so many things can go wrong. especially trying to get into syria. a very, very hostile territory. so many things could happen. i think it's -- we -- we should be saying, yes, we got the guy and just shut up about all the details because, now, everybody is going to be looking for these black helicopters at night. and as paul said, you know, baghdad d baghdadi is certainly wondering, when are they going to kick in my windows. >> they were able to execute this. paul, to you, the question still becomes. you and i spent all the time together in paris in the wake of the attacks. talking about the intelligence deficiency in terms of communication between belgium and france. you would think that things have
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gotten better. you had belgium's prime minister saying we have to improve the fight on the intelligence front. you have the french interior minister stressing that this month. why hasn't it gotten much better? >> it has got better. >> to where it needs to be? >> it needs to be a whole lot better. this is unprecedented right now, from isis. the richest terrorist group in history. the one with the most ever western recruits in its ranks. it's now pressing the accelerator on the attack plotting in europe. as it loses territory in syria and iraq. it's lashing out with everything that it's got. the go signal is being given to recruits. exploiting the migrant flows. the launch attacks against all the countries that are carrying
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out air strikes against isis in syria and iraq. that's not just france and belgium. it's also holland. the uk. it's also germany. all of those countries are very worried about what's going to happen in the next days and weeks. from everything that we are hearing, about this insb investigati investigation, there seem to be connections in the arrests in paris. i'm told 4 1/2 pounds of adp were recovered. there is a connection between that and the ring leader of the attacks. at at that and a connection between the guy that they just shot in schaerbeek. this is all happening very, very fast. >> thank you so much, paul. appreciate it. colonel rick francona, thank you
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we now know that two americans have been killed in the brussels terror attacks. we do not know their identity. this morning, secretary of state john kerry laid a wreath at the scene. he sat down with our erin burnett. >> we know americans are dead in the horrible terror attacks here in brussels. do you consider this an attack against america? >> whenever americans are killed, of course. >> so you do consider this an take on america. do you think americans were targeted? >> it's an attack on america, europe, civilized people and countries all over the world. an attack on people who weren't even here and weren't killed. it's an attack on everybody's ability to move freely, to live without fear. that's what the terrorists want.
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that's why we have to continue as we are to go after daesh with full determination. i'm confident we're going to. >> what he said resonates so much. i was thinking about that tuesday getting on to the subway here in new york, a little nervous. i thought, if i don't do this, then they win. finally, we're hearing more about the victims. the most important part of all of this. what do we know? >> so many families had loved ones that were missing. unfortunate lir unfortunately. there are confirmations. we know about the pinczowski siblings. they were headed back to europe. their family served kor fir mags this morning. they said, we received confirmation from belgian thorlts of the positive identification of the remains of alexander and sascha. we're grateful to have closure on this tragic situation and are
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thankful for the thoughts and prayers from all. they had new york city ties. sascha went to school her. alexander was engaged to a girl here. the mayor tweeted a statement saying two of our own lost in the brussels attack. in memory of the pinczowski siblings, we'll continue to stand up to terror at every turn. >> some families, on top of dealing with the unknown, some misinformation coming to them, whether they were dead or alive. and also, two still unidentified americans. >> that missing came to those two, the family of those two americans. first, they were learning about the shults couple. the family was told, they're in the hospital. they survived. then later in the week, they learned that is not the case. they're still missing. they were dropping off her mother at the airport.
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she survived and she said today she still has not received a text, a phone call, any message from her daughter and son-in-law at this point. >> just can't imagine. thank you for staying on top of it. as weeach day passes, we learn more about the missing. can you imagine the agony. aileen was at the train station. her friend posted she's a young woman, full of life, always smiling. another woman on the ferry, she's a mother of three sons. a p.e. teacher at an islamic school in brussels. she didn't show up to work on tuesday. her family has been in contact with all the different hospitals since the attack, even providing
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dna to the hospital, trying to identify her if she's there. it could take up to three weeks to identify all of the victims. her school's co-founder says she represented the true values of islam with generosity and caring. the victims, the wounded, and the dead span 40 nationalities. those who lost their lives that have been identified thus far were from the united states, belgium, uk, peru, natterlands, france, and china. coming up next -- >> i feel love for those injured. i feel so bad for -- for -- because i was so lucky. i was so lucky. being how close i was. >> could you say you were so lucky in a situation like that? unbelievable courage from behind their bandages. in their hospital beds. survivors share their stories. each more harrowing than the last. to prove to you that the better choice for him is aleve.
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four mormon missionaries were injured in the brussels airport attack. three of them from utah. mason wells sustained injuries to his foot, ankle. burns on his hands and face. he was two blocks away from the boston marathon bombing in 2013. he was serving in paris during the attacks there in november. his parents were kind enough to allow us in the hospital room as they visited their son in a cnn exclusive.
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>> a visit for you. >> mason! >> hey. hey. >> how are you? >> love you, son. >> wow. look at his parents there. mason spoke with our phil black on the phone from the burn unit at the hospital. >> i was looking at my ipad when, the first blast went off. um -- it was really loud. it was really loud. >> no warning. you had no worning this was about to happen? >> no, it -- it really came out of nowhere. um -- the -- i wasn't expecting it. i was looking down and a huge blast came from, i believe my body was picked off the ground for a moment.
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and, um -- my ipad that was in my pands, i don't know what happened. it disapeerpd i think it might have hit me in the head when it got blasted out of my hands. the watch on my left hand disappeared. my left shoe was blown off. a large part of the right side of my body got really hot and then really cold and -- i was covered in -- a lot of -- lots of fluids, a loft blood. a lot of the blood wasn't mine. i feel love for those who were injured. i feel so bad for -- for -- because i was so lucky. i was so lucky. being how close i was. and i saw a lot of people that were injured worse. i heard a lot of people that were injured badly. and -- you know, my only thoughts, my only feelings just for the people that are out there, i hope that they're doing okay.
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i've -- i've just wanted to pray for them. i've been praying for them since it happened. that's the only feeling i have is i hope they're okay. i'm very lucky. i know there there were some that were not as lucky as i was. >> not as lucky as i was. unbelievable to hear him utter those words. sister fanny clain was on her way to a mission assignment in ohio. she heard a huge noise. >> i was starting to talk to something and it was -- all black. and i was laying down on the ground. it was all ashes. all around was all gray. it was really stinky because of the burn. and i was all brown on my coat.
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it was like a sticky brown thing. and my hands was burned. my hands so -- so i -- quickly then i realized it was a bomb, i realized it was a bomb and then i was laying down. i then opened my eyes and woke up and go away, so i walked as fast as i can, crying. >> in addition to the survival stories there are hero stories as well. including a story that secretary of state john kerry shared this morning. the story is about a doctor named dr. laura billiet. an american doctor. she ran to a nearby police station right after the airport take on tuesday. she treated those with shrapnel wounds and other injuries. she spoke to us this morning.
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>> they started moving all of the wounded that could be moved out of the airport to the police station. um, to get them out of harm's way. we didn't know what else was going to happen after that point. so, you know, it was still -- it was still frightening to be there. we were waiting to see if there were other bombs or if somebody would come along with guns. we were not really sure. there were a lot of wounded people up in the second floor of the police station. then we started going and trying to help the people that were there. since we were able-bodied and most of them weren't that point. >> well, dr. billiet's friend laura harper went to help. she wasn't a doctor. a lawyer, a mom of three. she answered victims' questions. sat with them. sang with them. offered words of comfort. coming up, more terror-busting raids happening by the hour. the question now becomes why belgium? and why brussels specifically?
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the answer is about many things including location. a few neighborhoods in the major european capital have been a breeding ground for extremism. details next.
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the part of brussels that many of these anti-terror raids have been taking place in rescent days is called molenbeek. it's filled are immigrants from north africa. the middle east. it's widely regarded as one of europe's extremist hot beds. the people that live there are angry and getting angrier. >> reporter: this is the neighborhood that everybody in the world is now talking about. molenbeek, home to nearly 100,000 people. it's been described as one of the most dangerous hot beds of radicalization. on the streets, it feels like a normal, working class neighborhood with a large imbrant population. but the problems here are beneath the surface largely. the lack of integration here is striking. on the streets, you'll hear arabic much more than you'll hear french. and when you talk to people, you will often hear people say, they
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don't feel fully belgian. they feel like second class citizens. molenbeek imam asha says younger second and third generation immigrants feel particularly marginalized. >> there's a big community in muslim that are feeling they're not belgian citizens. the reason is, first of all, the unemployment of belgium. they don't feel that they're accepted in this society. this is why they feel they're not belgian. >> reporter: most people here don't want to appear on camera. they're very concerned there's a negative image being portrayed of the residents here in the media. privately, many of them will concede there's a big problem with radicalization. in this community. but there just isn't any trust or communication between the local community and between the police.
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and that is a huge problem for belgian authorities. >> and colllarissa ward joins u. when you speak to family members. people going authorities saying, my son, primy brother, many cousin, think they've been radicalized. we need to do something. is anything happening? >> reporter: this is interesting. the assumption is that nobody in the communities comes forward when they know someone ho has become radicalized. we've been hearing more and more that a lot of people have gone to the police. we heard from the family of one of the airport bombers. the top bomb maik, najim laachraoui. his family said they went to the authorities. we're hearing again and again that authorities are not doing
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anything with the information. you're seeing a dysfunctional system of sharing information in law enforcement. you have 19 different mayors in brussels. six different police districts. two official languages. we heard one reporter telling us there were just two arabic-speaking plifers working in molenbeek just several months ago. it gives you the idea of the factors contributed to this lack of communication. >> and also, clarissa, one of the things we spoke about, is this sort of -- the impoverished nature of the people there. not as any excuse but as a driver of looking for some meaning. there was a fascinating political tharlt compared this week, the u.s. muslim population with the european and talked about how many of these muslims in europe are in this sort of concentration of very poor neighborhoods with little upward trajectory. does that play in at all? >> reporter: i think it does.
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i think it's less an issue of poverty than integration. over and over again, we talked to people, we would hear the same thing. that we're not considered to be real belgian. we're considered to be moroccan-belgian, even though we're third generation immigrants. there's a sense that the communities have been allowed to muddle along on their own without having real sense of participating in society. at large. we also heard interesting reports about a number of mosques that are unofficially -- they're unofficial mosques. unregist unregistered. the concern there is that authorities don't know what kind of rhetoric is being preached at mosques like that. and beyond that, think you have to take into account the criminal element, which we have seen playing such a growing role in these terror attacks. and certainly, neighborhoods
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like molenbeek have a strong, underground, criminal world. the terrorists are learning their skills when they're younger. it max them all the more deadly when day become radicalized when they're older. >> no question about it. thank you so much. coming up next taernlgs of elite police officers is getting ready for the next time the terrorists try to strike on american soil. >> three, two, one. [ explosion ] >> they're tracking homemade bonls, very easy to make, everyone at home. and hard to trace. a look inside their training facility, next. (vo) you can check on them. you can worry about them. you can even choose a car for them. (mom) honey, are you ok? (child) i'm ok.
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this is cnn breaking news. all right. breaking news right now out testify pentagon. significant new details of the raid that left the man that many analysts call the number two in command of isis dead. we now know that u.s. special forces were actually trying to take him alive. barbara starr with me from the pentagon. we've just learned this. what happened? >> some of the details are still
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sketchy. things are beginning to be filled in. sources tell us that they were trying to capture this man, qaduli alive. that u.s. special operations forces swooped in on helicopter at this location in syria. trying to take him alive. they wanted to interrogate him. he may well have known quite a bit, being the so call eed finae minister. by all accounts, what happened is as the special operations forces moved in on their helicopters, on the target, it was a vehicle he was riding in, something happened. we don't know what it was. that made it not possible for them to get him alive. that is when the gunfire erupted. and as he was killed. we don't, in all candor, we don't have all the details. but we do know that they were trying to get him alive. bring him back to iraq,
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interrogate him for everything he knows. they were not able to finish that part of the mission. and they now believe he is dead. but, what should be underscored here, you have u.s. special operations troops moving into syria. there are no friendly forces on the ground for those troops. it was one of the most dangerous missions there can be. and we're learning that thankfully, no u.s. troops killed or wounded in the mission. poppy? >> wow. that's incredible. our thanks to all those men and women putting their lives on the line in this mission. barbara starr, thank you so much, from the pentagon. up next, a team of elite police officers getting ready for the next time the terrorists try to take this country. they're tracking homemade bombs. we'll show you how they train to do that next. bug chicks. and we are the we are a nano-business. windows 10 really helps us get the word out about how awesome bugs are. kids learn to be brave and curious and all kids speak the language of bug.
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an update now to one of the many angles we're following in a crackdown on suspected terror cells in europe. french authorities recovered almost 4 1/2 pounds of the explosive tatp. they also recovered a kalashnikov rifle. here in the united states, top level police and security professionals are preparing for a day they hope never comes. a day when terrorists try to bomb targets here in the u.s. we went to the training site where those officers prepare. >> fire in the hole! [ explosion ] >> reporter: here in rural alabama, e let members of law enforcement agencies from around the world prepare for the worst case scenario. it's state of the art training against global terrorism. >> it's all about savoring lives. >> reporter: this all hits close
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to home. he's a brussels police officer and canine handler. sent to the u.s. for training as his city was hit. had he been if belgium, he likely would have been guarding the subway. >> if the knowledge we have here, question share that with the rest of the world who also wants to make ate better world, think that's one step in a good direction. >> this is what we know. they're using all over the world. >> reporter: require morris founded the training company trip wire in 2005. the lessons he teaches are critical in the fight against isis and beyond. >> the things that bother me are the stuff you can make in your house. you can make in a garage. you can make it anywhere. >> reporter: and we found out firsthand what he meant. >> grab sof ammonium nitrate. >> reporter: how much? he shows us how in matter of
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minutes, anyone can make this type of exploes pich i'm holding two very volatile bombs. >> put it on the ground. three, two, one. fire in the hole! [ explosion ] >> reporter: what i found terrifying about the entire experience is just how simple and easy it is to make an explosive using ordinary house hold products. capable of inflicting massive casualties. it's these explosives training courses that are crucial to stopping those who want to inflict chaos. for morris and the team around him, their success is a matter of life and death. nick valencia, cnn, lynnett, alabama. >> jeff is with many. a security consultant. let's talk more. how easy sit to make tatp and also, jeff, what kind of
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facility do you need to manufacture mass constituequant this? >> it's possible to do in an apartment. you have to watch very ventilation. when you talk about tatp, it's still a vool active product. the finished product is volatile. all of these things have inherent dangers. they can be made into high explosives. and the u.s. government has a lot of experience with this from the wars in afghanistan and iraq. >> and the availability of the chemicals needed to pull this off. any difference in availability in brussels versus is united states? >> in my opinion, one of the reasons you're seeing tatp is because the chemicals with highly available. based on the report, it sounds
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they like they had some commercial grade materials. that's the key. they're using things they can procure locally. >> you have said that the smoke you have seen from the images of the take is an indicator of the type of bomb. >> i said that referenced to previous attacks. attacks, for instance, in boston. the signature was black powder. not really a high explosive. it's not as efficient a device, i think. whereas, with tatp, it is a more efficient explosive. >> yef parks, thank you so much for your insight. we appreciate it very much. scary to think how they could pull it off and it can be so easily manufactured. thank you. thank you all for joining us. see you back here in for a ashleigh on monday. wolf takes over from here. thank you for watching.
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this is cnn breaking news. >> hello, i'm pamela brown. wolf blitz sir on assignment. it's 1:00 here in washington. 6:00 p.m. in brussels, belgium. wherever you're watching from around the world, thank you for joining us. we begin with the breaking news. fast-moving developments? the brussels terror attacks investigation. witnesses reported hearing explosions and gunfire as police carried out a major operation in the schaerbeek part of brussels this morning. police arrested at least six people in raids across brussels overnight. in germany, police say they have arrested two suspects linked to the attacks. one man was stopped during a routine check at a train station. and in france, authorities raided an apartment near paris overnigh


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