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♪ hatred so deep it drives men to turn planes into bombs. >> a plane crashed -- >> stairer on our soil. >> it is impossible to understand. impossible to get into the mind of a terrorist. >> why do so many millions of muslims hate the u.s.a.? >> a better picture of the man accused of killing 13 people.
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>> why do they hate us? >> americans are asking why do they hate us? >> emphasis on that last word "us." why do islamic terrorists hate americans? . >> 15 years after 9/11. >> so, what are you waiting for? you can go down to a gun show at the local convention ceptor and come away with a fully automatic assault rifle. >> but who are they? how many? and are they multiplying a new deadly form? >> tomorrow will be washington.
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it will be new york. it is coming. >> announcer: inside schools. young children are being taught how to kill us. if the goal of isis propaganda is to terrify america, it has worked. >> let's look at the mood in the country because terrorism is again front and center. >> and that fear has paved a way for a new voice. >> the next president of the united states. >> donald j. trump is calling for a total and complete shut down of muslims entering the united states until our country's representatives can figure out what the hel is going on. it's going to get worse and worse. you're going to have more world trade centers.
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it's going to get worse and worse, folks. >> reporter: trump 's message has led some americans to say who cares why they hate us. we hate them. >> it's not the christians, not the buddhist, it's the muslims. you got that on camera, sport? >> we have training camps where they want to kill us. >> they're not going to be happy until they take over this country and we have to be under sharia law and i'm not going to bow down to them. >> americans are understandably angry and afraid but with fear turning to hate, we need answers. it's literally a matter of life and death. >> when you ask a scholar steeped in the subject like columbia's rasheed, he make as an important distinction. >> why do they hate us?
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>> if you take they as muslims, they don't hate us. if you talk about they as a small group of extreme radicals, that's a different question. >> we call on muslims around the world to ban the constitution, to ban the american flag. >> reporter: he comes from this group of extreme radicals. >> you're hypocrites. >> reporter: he's awaiting trial in london. >> i personally hate the american regime and their foreign policy. >> reporter: he faces prison for his support of isis but he's unrelenting in that support. never mind the kidnappings, the beheadings, the sex slaves. to choudry, it's paradise. >> there's no corruption, bribery, alcohol, gambling. all the vices which you're used to in america and other parts of
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the world don't exist over there. this idea that they're raping people, why don't you interview some of the -- they will deny these things. >> because they kill journalists, that's why. they kill journalists. >> these could be my last hours. >> reporter: in fact, isis has killed 23 reporters in the last years. james foley and steven sotlof. >> let me not get into what you're saying about the islamic state. how do you explain that people are fleeing the islamic state? despite documented evidence of 10s of thousands of people desperately fleeing isis, choudry claims there are more arriving. >> they're coming into the islamic state. we have pictures of christians coming back to mosul and
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embracing islam. you don't show those because it doesn't fit your agenda. >> and then the flood gates open with the reasons why he says he hates us. >> freedom of expression, religion. these things sound very nice but where was it for people in guantanamo bay, was that freedom in practice? i bet you love that, didn't you, fareed? did you hold that up as american life? george bush flushed those down the toilet. he said we're talking about terrorism. >> but the united states intervened in bosnia to protect muslims. it has intervened in afghanistan and supporting a government that has been elected twice by the afghan people. >> i spent you've spent too much time in the cnn world. in the real world, people in afghanistan hate americans. >> it's determined by polls, not what you say and the polls overwhelmi
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overwhelmingly show it, as do two elections. >> you live in hollywood. >> if the groups that you seem to the support from al qaeda to isis, were as popular as we claim, why don't they hold elections? why do they have to murder, slaughter, raping and forcing people into submission? >> for a minute i thought you were talking about guantanamo bay when you were talking about rain, murder and oppression but obviously you're not talking about that. >> he reminds me of markest ideologies i met in my youth who can explain away anything for their belief system. what is striking is that america remains the obsession of chowdry and several who have never been here. so, what happens when a jihadi is one of us? an american?
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are the reasons he hates us the same? >> to the muslims in america, i have this to say. how can you have your loyalty to a government that is leading the war against islam and muslims? >> reporter: no one has scared american security officials more than anwar. >> helps plan attacks on the united states. >> reporter: he is the driving force between virtually all of the worst terrorist attacks in america since 9/11. >> we're facing you as men who love death just as much as you love life. >> he's an american born in new mexico, educated at colorado state university. how influential is he?
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dzhokhar tsarnaev, the boston marathon bombs, wrote about his teachings. one of the san bernardino killers, the husband, syed farook, watched his video sermons for years. >> the deadliest shooting ever in an american military base. >> and then psychiatrist who murdered 13 americans at fort hood in texas. and he emailed him about his plans. the underwear bomber, anwar, tried to blow a plane out of the sky. but here is the strangest twist in this american horror story. after the 9/11 terror attacks, he was invited to lead prayers at the u.s. capital. he was considered such a perfect role model, a moderate imam in
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virginia, that the washington post did a story about him. >> there's always this association between islam and terrorism. when that is not true at all. i mean, islam is a religion of peace. >> reporter: but gradually it is possible to see the beginnings of his disenchantment. >> there are reasons for this resentment. the fact that the u.s. has administered the death and homicide of over 1 million civilians in iraq. sfwlr >> reporter: no one seems certain when he became a full fledged jihadi. but one thing is clear, he's a scholar of islam, yet he never sites his religion when he talks about why he hates us. >> over here.
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>> reporter: his reasons, like c choudry's are the so-called war against islam they speak of. the fbi began to monitor him. he fled to yemen and eventually became a top leader of al qaeda. >> when you say he's at least a severe threat today as bin laden? >> probably the most significant risk to the u.s. homeland. >> reporter: there is one important fact about anwar that i have not mentioned. he is dead. it was an american drone strike in 2011. but here's the most frightening fact, he's still killing americans. some of the bloodiest terror he inspired happened after his
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death, the san bernardino killings, the boston marathon bombings. he's on the internet right now, literally thousands of his videos are just a click away. >> you remember the goodole days when americans were enjoying the blessings of security and peace. >> reporter: the man is dead, the message is not. and yet his main explanation for why they hate us doesn't ring true to me. for better or worse, the u.s. has waged war in many lands. why are there no vietnamese tourists? and why do they kill mostly muslims? the explanation must lie somewhere else. somewhere deeper. some say it comes directly from the quran. but is the muslim holy book being distorted? >> the quran promises a martyr
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an honest muslim reformer, you will get essentially the same answer. there is a connection between the religion and the violence. >> it's time to stop saying that this isn't about islam. isis is uber islamic. uber islamic and it's time it's said. >> the next time a bombing or beheading occurs and god knows it will, the first thing you will hear from a mouth of a so-called moderate muslim is please don't understand, islam has nothing to do with this. that's simply not true because most of the people say they're doing it in the name of allah. and they actually site verses from the quran. >> we are men honored with islam who climbed its peeks to perform jihad. >> the controversial question triggered a shouting match on
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bill mar's program. >> we have more than a billion people who aren't futhat inical, who want to go to school -- >> wait a second. wait a second. >> stereotyping. wait a second. you're painting the whole religion -- >> no, let's get down to who has the right answer here. a billion people, you say. all these billion people don't hold these pernishes believes? >> they don't. >> we will come back to afflec's point about the numbers but let's just look at the texts. the quran does contain versus that encourage intolerance and violence. it recommends a fiery death for gay people in a shower of brim stone. but look at the bible on the same subject. if a man has sex with another
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man, kill them both. both holy books have passages recommending murder for nonbelievers. this verse in the quran is the one that isis has taken literally. "i will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve, therefore strike off their heads." >> our knife will continue to strike the necks of your people. >> reporter: but the same belief that guides isis also appears in the bible. believers are instructed to stone nonbelievers until they die. one obvious difference. jihadists are acting on what they read in the quran. >> islam is being manipulated. it is being used. >> here one colorful example of manipulation. >> the quran promises a martyr in the name of islam, 72
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virgins. is that true? >> it is not true. >> she says that several scholars studying the original text, came to a startling realization. >> nowhere does it promise 72 virgins, 48 virgins. what it promises, as far as heaven goes, is something lush. the arabic word for virgin has been miss translated. the original word that was used in the quran was the word for "raisen." not virgin. in otherer words that martyrs would get raisins in heaven, not virgins. >> 72 raisens. madgeen the surprise of the terrorists who expected something completely different. ♪ we will march through the gates ♪ >> reporter: the story
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illustrates that radicals have twisted islamic ideas and also reflects a growing new reality, the violent jihadists who carry out isis terror attacks often know little about islam. >> they're petty criminals, drop outs, unemployed, drug users. who never had goog do with religion, have no religious training whatsoever. >> maybe you have studied. >> they're completely ignorant of religion and lartch on a. >> these are the isis killers partying at a high-end night club in brussels. sala was the master mind. brahim blew himself up in paris. they say it's easier to brain
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wash recruits who are not religious. former radical told the new yorker that for purposes of recruitment, having no background in islam is actually an advantage. manji is trying to stop the recruitment process by exposing young people to all of islam's ideas. >> the self has the raw material, the elements for a change. >> there is another famous curonnic stories. he asks the prophet muhomed to bring them back but he declines saying there is no compulsion in religion. >> the book itself can't speak. it is we muslims who speak on its behalf. there is a beautiful passage, one of many, that states god does not change the condition of a people until they change what is inside themselves.
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figure out -- >> the wife in the san bernardino terrorist attacks. >> how and where was the 29-year-old mother of a new born radicalized? >> how does a young mother drop her baby off at grandma's after nursing the baby and proceed to massacre 13 people and give up her own life in a twisted act of martyrdom? there is a way to understand this because you can draw a straight line from tashfeen
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malic. bazar though it may sound, today 's radical islamic movement started with a popular song. 1949, greerly, colorado. ♪ baby it's cold outside >> "baby it's cold outside" an e egyptian student happened to stop in. he was a deeply conservative muslim and he was deeply horrified what he saw at that dance. he talked about the animal-like mixing of dancing. chest met chest, the worst site of all, he said, the outline of a women's breasts in tight
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sweaters. his essay about his time here, the america i have seen, became a sensation in parts of the arab world. he hated everything, hollywood movies, big cars, fast food. >> his views on america are terrifying. terrifying because they're narrow, racist, he resented the way woman and man interacted in society. he resented the nature of american materialism. >> reporter: by the 1950s, he was a fierce critic of arab governments trying to westernize their economies and political systems. he wrote 24 books urging the return to sharia law and terrorism against the leading government in the world, the united states. he was executed in 1966 for
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plotting to over throw the government of egyptian president. he had become a rock star among budding radicals. even as they were jailing his followers. thus, in the jails of egypt and other arab teernayrannies was bl qaeda. he was read and revered by osama bin laden, anwarrall racky and the current head. and then in 1979, radical islam explodes. in iran, there was revolution. enrage bidd by the oppressive r
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popular protests drove him out. angry mobs seized the american embassy. for 444 days, the united states watched helplessly as americans were held hostage. >> but there are indications tonight that a large number of armed shiite muslims -- >> reporter: november 1979, c cataclism. the holiest site was stormed by insurgeants, demanding the over throw of the american-backed saudi king. these events were like rocket fuel for islamic radicals. they had taken control of iran.
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and in saudi arabia, the monarchy decides to appease the ult ultraconservative clergy who preach an intolerant interpretation of islam, giving them free reign to run schools and mosques and oil money to spread their poisonous world view to other muslim countries. >> it's hard to imagine a muslim community anywhere on this planet that hasn't been touched by this ideology. >> reporter: remember, saudi arabia is one of america's strongest allies. >> you are talking about a country that presents itself as the leader of the world muslims, the muslim world. >> reporter: the new saudi regime is finally trying to contain the spread of radical islam. but look at this interview with one of the most powerful men in
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saudi islam, the former imom of the grand mosque. >> translator: we have the same believes as isis, he says. we share theiridolo ideology bu express it in a more refined way. >> and that's still being preached from the mosques. >> 15 of the 19 hijackers on 9/11 came from saudi arabia. so, did osama bin laden. and one more person who is from saudi arabia. tashfeen malic. >> she later moved to saudi arabia -- >> so, she lived in both saudi arabia and pakistan. and to what country has saudi arabia most lavishly exported its ideology?
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pakistan. its pseusaudi funded mosques. tashfeen malic is a product of radical islam globalized by saudi money. up next, a crucial question. when we ask why they hate us, how many are there in the first place? >> 300 million people who are ready to strap bombs on their bodies. >> at most --
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300 million people ready to strap bombs on their body and blow us all up. >> reporter: 300 million muslims ready to strap bombs to their bodies. can that really be true? donald trump offers even higher
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percentages. >> it's 27%, could be 35% would go to war. the hatred is tremendous. >> fox news anchor, chris wallace, had just told the gop frontrunner the facts. >> according to the best experts, they say at most, 100,000 people are fighting for jihadist charges. >> reporter: he is right, trump is wrong. the number of jihadists world wide is somewhere between 1 and 200 thousand, not hundreds of millions. how did they come up with those results? simple math. they added up the estimated memberships of all islamic terrorist networks world wide. that works out to 1/100th of 1% of muslims around the world. but despite the consensus, the myth persists. >> 250, 300 million muslims --
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>> why don't you take a look at the poll that came out recently. >> reporter: we did take a look and couldn't find any poll by pew that bought any relation to trump's claims. in fact the research center sent us a statement saying it has not issued a survey saying 27% of muslims would go to war with the united states, nor asked a question of muslims about going to war. but there are some with findings that are troubling. let's take a look at just a few. in egypt, 81% of muslims who want sharia as the law of the land, told pew that they also favor stoning as a punishment for adultery. and 86% favor the death penalty for those who leave islam. religious scholar.
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>> i mean, we may be appalled by certain regressive believes. but they are just believes. the issue is people's actions. >> reporter: but can some bad thoughts lead to bad actions? bill maher make as good point. >> if vast majority of muslims believe that humans deserve to die for writing a book or eloping with the wrong person, not only does the muslim world have something in common with isis, it has too much in common with isis. >> answar responds with an analogy from america. >> the christians that west borough baptist church believe god hates home sexuals and as a result, they picket the burial ceremonies of american soldiers who die overseas.
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now christians in the united states also believe that home sexiality is a sin. so, they share that belief. but they would never share in those actions. by bill maher's logic, those two groups are essentially the same, because they share one fundamental belief. >> sam, a critic of islam, counters with his own american analogy. >> to have a play on broadway, like the book of mormon, it is unthinkable to produce such a play on the topic of islam. >> the hit broadway musical, lampoons the salt lake city based religion. >> what did they do? they took out ads for mormonism in the program, which is an adorable response. but there's no one who lost any sleep about whether they would
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be killed or hunted for the rest of their lives by crazy mormons. that is where we have to get to on the topic of islaislam. >> reporter: on this, i certainly agree with harris and yet there's another ideology that seems far more successful in seducing muslims, american democracy. when we come back, the history of american islam, warts and all. there's no one road out there. no one surface... no one speed... no one way of driving on each and every road. but there is one car that can conquer them all. the mercedes-benz c-class. five driving modes let you customize the steering, shift points, and suspension to fit the mood you're in... and the road you're on. the 2016 c-class. lease the c300 for $359 a month at your local mercedes-benz dealer.
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anchl a story as old as america. polish immigrants settled here. it became known as little w warsaw. preserving the traditions of old country into the new country. fast forward and the american dream repeats itself. this time, the immigrants are muslims from yemen, bangladesh, bosnia. and now what was once known as little warsaw is the first city in america run by muslim americans. it has a majority muslim city counsel. >> last night's election had historic significance for that
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community and the country. >> reporter: one more story as old as america, the inevitable culture clash. >> i don't like the changes going on. so, i'm leaving. >> church bells collide with the call to prayer. restaurants catered to separate groups. different cultures now living side by side. there have been rough spots. but they've begun to make its new reality and government work. >> i pledge allegiance to the flag. >> we have a great possibility of showing the world how to solve problems. >> reporter: but then the calls started coming in from the rest of america. >> we're coming to blow up muslims. they try to bring sharia law, this. people are going crazy. >> it's time to say no sharia in
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america. >> reporter: many communities across the country fear that arab immigration could translate into sharia law. >> i'm not saying to hate them, i'm just saying we don't need them here. >> by the grace of god, it will not dominate texas. >> reporter: sharia law has never been established in any city in america and no one wants it less than the muslim americans. >> we don't believe in that. we came here to this country to run away from sharia law. you think i would put it in this country to follow me here? i don't think so. >> reporter: community activist, ab abruhim said they fled for the same things all americans want. >> we came here for a better future and we'll always carry
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that american flag everywhere we go. >> it's a country where advancement and entry into the middle classes and in some cases access to wealth and power is open to people of all backgrounds. >> reporter: look at khan, he came to america from pakistan at age 16. penniless, today, he's a billionaire in the most american way possible. he owns an nfl team, the jacksonville jaguars. look at television host, dr. oz, a first generation turkish american. the list goes on. but middle eastern study scholar says it's a list you won't find in many other western countries. >> how many people at the top of french politics, on french television?
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people who are barren in this region. whose faces look different from ordinary white americans, such as yourself. >> reporter: and as for all the fears of sharia law, of muslims as terrorists, they're partly rooted in this fact. >> 1% of the population of america is muslim. most americans don't know any muslims and so it becomes very easy when confronted with extreme acts of violence in the name of islam, it becomes very easy to conflate that with mainstream, every day islam. we would never make that mistake when we're confronted with extreme acts of violence or radical interpretations of christianity, because we live in a country that's 70% christian.
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the next time you hear of a terror attack, no matter where it is, no matter the circumstances, you will likely think to yourself, it's muslims again. and you will probably be right. in 2014, about 30,000 people were killed in terror attacks world wide. the vast majority of those purp traiting the violence were muslim. but, and this is important, so were the victims. of the 30,000 dead, the vast, vast majority were muslims. that's crucial to understand because it sheds light on the question "why do they hate us?" islamic terrorists don't just hate america or the west, they hate the modern world and they particularly hate muslims who are trying to live in the modern world. let's be clear. while the jihadists are few,
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there is a larger cancer within the world of islam, a cancer of backwardininess and extremenessd intolerance. most of the countries that have laws that restrict the free exercise of religion, are muslim majority. but are these things inherent in the religion? when experts tried to explain that in the 14th century, islamic civilization was the world's most advanced or that the quran was once a liberal and progressive document, they're not trying to deny the realities of backwardness today. what they're saying is it can change. islam has been around for 14 centuries. there have been periods of war and also of peace. it's the same religion then and now. so, what is different? it's not theology, it's politics. radical islam is the product of the broken politics and stagnant
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economics of muslim countries. they have found an ideology that lets them rail against the modern world, an ideology now being exported to alienated young muslims everywhere, in europe and in some rare cases, the united states. so, how to end this? there's really only one way. help the majority of muslims fight extremists reform their faith, and modernize their societies. in doing so, we should listen to those on the front lines, many of whom are fighting and dying in the struggle. the hundreds of muslim reformers say their task is made much harder when western politicians and pundits demean their faith and speak of all muslims as backwards. in america, african americans
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made up 13% of the population, yet they comprise 50% of homicide offenders, according to a justice department study. now, we understand, i hope we understand, that when we see a black man on the street, we itinai cannot, must not treat him as a likely criminal. it would be unfair and racist. in america, as all places, people should be treated as individuals, and not a stereotype. remember, the cab driver who drives you to the airport, has nothing, nothing to do with isis, even though he is also a muslim. it's hard not to make these quick associations, especially in the wake of a terror attack. but if america is about anything, it's that people should be judged as individuals. it is what they hate about us. we might as well live up to our
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own ideals. i'm fareed zakaria, thank you for watching. hole aello and welcome to o viewers in the united states and around the world. this is "newsroom l.a." we'll start with the new polls that show the that that u.s. presidential race is tightening between donald trump and hillary clinton. a survey, clinton, 46%, trump, 43%. well-won the margin of error. >> and the polls also show more than half of u.s. voters have an unfavorable view of both candidates. >> adding to secretary clinton's


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