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rest of the world is rushing with reaction to what's known as
the brexit. foreign ministers from each of the six founding eu member states are set to meet in berlin this hour. and a half an hour from now, scottish officials expected to hold a cabinet meeting. >> crucial one, that one. political wheels are turning in the wake of the vote, but the world economy is suffering a bit. markets down across the board. some investors are in crisis mode. if you look at the different markets. >> all while britain prepares for another change. a new prime minister. david cameron called it quits on friday after losing the push to stay in the eu. our international diplomatic editor nic robertson standing outside 10 downing street. >> also atika shubert live in berlin. what have we got in terms of crisis meetings in europe today? >> reporter: well, germany is hosting the meeting
of foreign ministers here of the founding eu members. germany and france, of course, the big ones. but also belgium, netherlands, luxembourg, and italy, all of
them looking at what happens next. foreign minister steinmeier already said this is a bitter day, but the priority is keeping the eu together. so what they'll be looking at is what is the quickest, most painless way that the uk can leave the eu, and how can they make it clear that this must not happen to any other eu members. they want to give a clear message that there must be no benefits to leaving the eu. how this happens, the legal framework is what they'll be discussing, but they will also be discussing how to reform the eu from within. whether or not there needs to be more flexibility for members who just don't want to move in the same directions all at once. so these are the things that they'll be tackling today, but it will be a long process to go, max. >> nic, angela merkel called this a watershed moment for europe and for european integration. it's a watershed moment potentially here in the united
kingdom as well. what happens next? >> reporter: well, smp first minister nicola sturgeon, and the ref ren campaign in the early phases of it indicated quite clearly if there was a brexit as we now have, a leave the european union, then she would be minded if the scottish people wanted it to call for another referendum on scottish independence. she is meeting with her cabinet later today in the coming hour or so, and one would expect that to be a topic of conversation. look, the ground has changed a little since scotland had that referendum in 2014, late 2014. the price of oil across the world and of course the economic forecast for scotland going it alone were based on a relatively high price of oil. the north sea oil that currently flows through the london exchequer. the expectations now with the lower price of oil, it might be harder for the scottish government to make that kind of argument, a plausible argument to the scottish people that they
could afford financially to go it alone. but the point that she will be putting to the cabinet today, the point that she has made publicly is that scotland itself voted to remain part of the european union and that the majority of the rest of britain didn't. and, therefore, they would feel, under those circumstances, that they are right to break away from britain and join the european union as scotland. of course questions about how they would negotiate that, how long it would take to negotiate that are huge, but the implications for britain are also huge. britain's trident nuclear submarines are currently based in scotland. the scots have indicated if they went it alone, they would not want to have nuclear weapons on their soil. so the implications are huge. it's a long way to travel, but that seems to be the direction they're headed at the moment, becky. >> no one's really got a clue what happens from here, have they, because it's completely unprecedented.
atika, over there in berlin, the reality is that they want britain out as soon as possible because they want to get rid of this uncertainty, and they want to start reforming the system, whether or not it's very different from what we see today or not. and what the european stands for. so how are they going to get britain out when the british leave campaigners are suggesting they want to drag this one out? >> reporter: well, this is the tricky part. you know, the referendum has happened, but really nothing legally starts moving until the uk submits that article 50, which is the official notice that they want to leave the eu. and that has not been submitted. it's not likely to be submitted until there is probably a new prime minister in the uk, after, in a sense, cameron has resigned. so that means we're looking at a long, drawn-out process, which is exactly what germany and other members of the eu have said they do not want. they want this to be quick. they want the instability to stop. they want it to sort of smooth out and even out so that they can get back to the business of
keeping the eu together and running it, whether or not the uk is involved. that does not seem to be happening very quickly, though. so one of the things they will be discussing today is basically how to move forward without this article 50 in place. >> nic, the conservative leader and prime minister david cameron looked shell shocked yesterday morning once this vote had been announced. he said with heart, head, and soul, i did my best. i pushed for what i believed in. it didn't work. what happens next so far as the leadership of this country is concerned? >> reporter: well, the conservative party will have to pick a new leader, who will become the prime minister. at the moment, twot favorites would seem to be boris johnson, who was a leading figure of the leave campaign, the flamboyant former mayor of london. he went to school with cameron. he went to university with cameron. they were friends and have run sort of parallel political lives for a long time.
but it's always been understood that boris johnson harbored an interest in becoming prime minister. and when he backed the leave campaign, he was sort of roundly chided as this being a political move on his part to try to secure the job at number 10. it's not clear that he would. he does seem to be the leading contender. however, theresa may, the home secretary who stayed loyal, if you will, to cameron -- there were people that said she had sort of a eurosceptic tendencies, but she stuck with the narrative that britain was better off in the european union, that it was more secure. obviously her job as home secretary very much dealing with the security of the country. she is also seen as a figure, somebody who has also harbored an interest, it's been rumored, in becoming prime minister. so the expectation is that she will throw her hat in the ring. there may be others. could boris johnson, who is seen potentially as a divisive
figure -- could he really rally the party, or would theresa may be perhaps a safer pair of hands and be a more centrist figure? however, she was on the wrong side of history, if you will, in terms of this vote. could she still curry favor across the whole of the conservative party? we've yet to see how this is going to even begin to play out at the moment, becky. >> nic robertson is outside number 10 for you this morning. always a pleasure. thank you. global investors looking towards monday trading. >> we saw u.s. stocks lose more than an estimated $800 billion in value in friday's session. the dow jones industrials down more than 600 points. >> uk stocks finished down more than 3% while other european industries saw heavy losses. >> the dax, and the french market you can see down 6% and 8% respectively. and the british pound fell to a
30-year low against the u.s. dollar. >> no one knows exactly how this brexit will play out. there were no precedents for it. but here's what we do know right now. the outgoing prime minister, david cameron, says his successor will trigger what's known as article 50 of the lisbon treaty. >> now, that gives the other 27 eu countries two years to come up with an exit deal. the uk will not take part in those talks. >> if there's no agreement after two years, eu countries can vote to go over or not, crucially. there is no unanimous. if there isn't one, the uk is out of the eu with no deal at all. >> let's take a closer look at the potential consequences then of the brexit vote and the shock waves it set off. robin niblet is the director of chatham house based here in london. a regular guest at cnn. thank you, sir. >> we're also joined by our chief europe correspondent for politico. he joins us from berlin. first of all, the view from
berlin, i mean all eyes really on berlin because they've got to somehow get europe out of this mess. what are your sources telling you? >> reporter: well, i think the germans are torn on a lot of fronts on this point. on the one hand, there is this pressure to take this process forward, to do it quickly, to have a clean break and also to make an example of the uk so that other countries like the netherlands, like denmark, don't get the same idea. on the other hand, there's a lot of pressure from the business lobbies in germany, which are very worried about losing the uk as a market. one in five german cars is sold in the uk. there are about 400,000 uk citizens working for german companies there. so it would be an enormous blow to german industry, to the german economy, if the uk were to leave without including them in the common market as they are now. >> robin, political leaders suggesting -- and i heard a
number of them yesterday being quite conciliatory. but behind the scenes, suggesting that out is out. britain, you know, you voted out, so you're out. no deal, and let's do this swiftly. as you hear from our guest in berlin this morning, for example, german businessmen suggest that this needs to be dealt with very, very carefully. how do you see this playing out? >> i think it's going to be played out cautiously because although you've got a lot of pressure from the president of the european commission to, as we just heard, not let britain set an example. it is one of the largest economies in europe, second or third depending on how you look at it. it's the largest export market, single export market. and to try and rush a deal at the moment may prevent a kind of flexible outcome that you already hearing in the leave campaign in the uk, which is plit between those who want to stay in the single market and those who take a different view. they could influence the outcome to one that is actually beneficial by giving some time
and not pressuring the brits too fast. >> there's some confusion here in london because europea sources suggesting that the lisbon treaty has already been invoked. they're pushing that because they don't want this toing strung out too long. certainly all of westminster, certainly the leave campaign as well saying it's up to britain to decide when it's invoked. what do you think? is there any clarity on that issue? >> reporter: i think there is clarity. i think it hasn't been invoked because brussels says that it hasn't been invoked. we heard martin schulz, the president of the european parliament today, urging london to submit it as soon as possible. so if brussels is saying it hasn't been invoked, then it hasn't been invoked. i think this is sort of going to be the cat and mouse game that we're going to see in the coming months. the question is does london really have much leverage by holding off? i think you will have a lot of pressure there obviously from the ukip camp, from the whole brexit camp to push this through
quickly. there are others who will want to take a more cautious approach. i think the likely thing is that there will be a more cautious approach. people will want to let the dust settle. that's the way merkel tends to handle these sorts of situations, these crises. i think you're going to see something come out of this meeting coming up this week in berlin on monday in berlin, where merkel will be meeting with francois hollande and the italian prime minister. i think they're going to first of all try to calm europeans, try to calm the markets and say they're going to do this s studiously. but they want to get it done. >> clarity is the word that we kept hearing yesterday. we need it. the head of the imf speaking to that, this lack of clarity is what investors absolutely hate, and is why we saw the market so
weakened yesterday. the uk was the fifth largest economy until yesterday morning. it is now the world's sixth largest economy. how is it going to hold up? >> you know, the danger here is the british economy has been painted not just by size, the fifth largest, but one of the fastest growing in developed economies for some time. low unemployment. it's in that kind of goldilocks phase from the outside. it is also one of the countries that had one of the largest budget deficits in the world. current account deficit of 5%. debt growing to eu averages of around 90%. beneath the surface, the uk's fine so long as it was connected to the rest of the eu. once it disconnects, people start to look at it in isolation. how strong is the pound? how big can the city be if it doesn't have the hinter land of an eu market with it. those doubts are going to start creeping in. the uk has relied hugely as well
on foreign investment. the largest destination for foreign investment in the eu for ten years, including the chinese, who would hoping it would be its gateway to europe. that foreign investment, at least future foreign vest, is likely to be held back while people work out the deal is. >> that's impossible to quantify. >> this is the problem is we will not be able to quantify the loss. those who want to push and pushed for brexit, who are going to get this outcome, can point also to ideas of what might be there. but those who were leaving were pointing to lost gain can't be seen. and this is -- you know, it will take probably two to three to four years to see the impacts. >> as it will to cut this deal. >> same thing, becky. >> therein lies the issue. >> thank you very much. mathi matthew as well in berlin. u.s. president barack obama opposed what's known as the brexit. how he says it affects u.s. and britain's special relationship is coming up.
eu, but on friday he gave assurances that the, quote, special relationship between the u.s. and the uk is still solid. >> i do think that yesterday's vote speaks to the ongoing changes and challenges that are raised by globalization. but while the uk's relationship with the eu will change, one thing that will not change is the special relationship that exists between our two nations. that will endure. the eu will remain one of our indispensable partners. our nato alliance will remain a cornerstone of global security. >> only former french president nichol nicolas sarkozy is also reacting to the decision. he said british voters' rejection of the eu is a sign that reform is needed and called for an treaty. >> translator: europe, now at 27, cannot function any longer in this way. the question of its deep re-foundation is therefore urgent and has dragged on for
too long. i ask that a reunion of european heads of state and governments take the decision to elaborate another treaty which will show the people of our continent that europe has decided to take hold of its destiny. >> the uk's decision to leave the european union has been compared to the rise of donald trump in the u.s. since both highlight voters' dissatisfaction with the political establishment. and hillary clinton's campaign is rejecting the comparison saying in part that trump is more concerned with himself than his fellow americans. but the presumptive republican presidential nominee disagrees. >> i really do see a parallel between what's happening in the united states and what's happening here. people want to take their country back. they want to have independence in a sense. and you see it with europe, all over europe. you're going to have more than just, in my opinion, more than just what happened last night. you're going to have, i think, many other cases where they want to take their borders back. so i think you're going to have this happen more and more. i really believe that, and i
think it's happening in the united states. it's happening by the fact that i've done so well in the polls. >> the donald in scotland on friday. during his visit to scotland, he tweeted that the country was, quote, going wild over the brexit vote. >> in reality, the returns showed scotland had actually voted to remain in the eu, overwhelmingly in fact. trump's view has put him in hot water with british politicians and celebrities, and they're speaking about it on social media. >> yes, they are. a member of scottish parliament, joan mcalpine quickly responded, you are in scotland. we voted remain. >> singer song writer liliana, scotland voted in, you moron. >> scotland voted to remain you weapons grade plum. >> meanwhile, youtubers resorted to oh so british humor by tweeting respectively, don't know what part of scotland you're in. pretty sure they're not wild about this.
>> and scotland was more yellow than your fake tan, they said. >> ouch. he can handle it. many of britain's allies have voiced concern about the vote to leave the eu. >> pentagon correspondent barbara starr has more on the global security concerns surrounding the brexit. >> reporter: popular online jihadi forums applauding the uk vote to leave the european union, hoping to see more chaos in europe. but from the war on isis to european terror threats and russian aggression, the security implications are still uncertain. the pentagon clearly had not wanted it to happen. days before the vote, defense secretary ash carter stood at nato headquarters and called for the uk to stay put. >> we know the strategic value that unity and cohesion brings to our alliance. >> reporter: but after the vote, the pentagon struck a
conciliatory note. >> we feel confident this special relationship, including the special defense relationship we have, will certainly continue. >> reporter: the optimism is not shared by all. >> what we're seeing here is the potential for a major reorganization within nato and a potential weakening of the security environment in europe. >> reporter: despite exiting the european union, the uk remains a member of nato, though its financial contribution to the military alliance could be at risk if its economy falters. >> today, as we face more instability and more uncertainty, nato is more important than ever. >> reporter: european union and nato members are already scheduled to meet to discuss closer cooperation in issues like cyber and terrorism. on isis and fighting terror threats, britain and the u.s. still will share the most highly classified intelligence. >> that agreement is not going to be impacted by this in any
way, shape, or form. >> reporter: but the cia director points out with 28 countries now in the eu, there are already significant problems. >> within each of those countries, they have sometimes several intelligence and security services. they do not have the interconnectivity either from a mission and legal perspective or an i.t. perspective. >> our pentagon correspondent barbara starr reporting there. >> brexit being felt around the worlds. so far the markets have had the brunt of it. we'll break down the economic fallout for you next.
for whatever you're trying to master. welcome back to our continuing special coverage of britain's decision to leave the eu. i'm max foster. >> and i'm becky anderson. scottish first minister is set to lead a cabinet meeting momentarily. she says a renewed vote on scotland's independence would be highly likely now that britain has voted to leave the eu. scotland and northern ireland both overwhelmingly stood with the remain camp. >> some of the remaining eu nations' foreign ministers are meeting in berlin amid concerns that others may attempt to follow britain out of the bloc. the rapid economic fallout is at the forefront as well as investors look to shore up in the face of fundamental uncertainty. >> we can't know how the brexit
is going to play out. but the international monetary fund already has some dire predictions. it says a brexit would plunge the british economy into recession, causing the gdp to plummet 5.6% by 2019 under a worst case scenario. >> let's hope it is. risk models also suggest leaving the eu could cause uk stocks to crash, falling by 24%. >> and warned brexit would trigger inflation to rise and house prices to drop. >> some of that damage appears to be happening already as well. we're joined by simon french, chief economist at pan muir gordon. extraordinary day yesterday. the london markets actually came back by the end of the day. >> yep. >> it was the european markets that seemed to suffer the most. >> it was, and we were down 8% at the start. we closed 3% down, but that can be a bit illusory because at the same time, sterling was down 7 1/2, 8%. you put those things together and in dollar terms, uk markets
had its second highest reduction in value, in dollar terms, in its history. the only other time is the 20th of october, 1987 skprngs that fa famous post-storm crash we had. people may have walked away saying it could have been worse, but it was still a very, very dark day. >> the amount of money lost yesterday on the markets is more than britain has ever paid into the eu in dues. however, the brexiteers will tell us, well, we knew this was going to happen, and we warned it would happen. as people try and work out what's going on, as we put in ou contingency plans if they've got an there was always going to be a wobble on the market short term. everything will be fine going forward. will it? >> i don't think it will be. the only thing i would agree with the brexiteers on is one day's print on the equity market is not a good way to assess the long-term impact of brexit. the more material developments in that regard came from
european union leaders yesterday. they were indicating they wanted the uk to trigger article 50 very quickly and have a quite aggressive timetable. there's one reason for that. contagion avoidance. they're trying to avoid other separatist movements getting strength from this decision by the british people. that really sets the uk up for a very difficult set of negotiations. one of the things they'll be looking at is whether the leadership of the conservative party and then of the uk goes for an entirely free trade model, which some of their economists advocated for beforehand, or try and go for a norwegian/swiss type associate relationship. the problem with any relationship is if it's deemed to be too good, then of course that strengthens the hands of separatist movements who go we'll have the same thing for our country. let's remember, all the bargaining chips sit with the remaining 27 eu countries. they're a much larger economic area. they have the ability to veto a lot of this stuff. it's set to be a very rocky road ahead. >> they've got to reach some
sort of common message ahead, ready for the markets on monday morning. how do they reassure the markets so we don't get the same chaos on monday morning? >> i think they need to speak directly to investors both through their fiscal arm and their monetary arm through the politicians because there will be a lot of -- we have the institutions reacting yesterday, but you'll have the retail investors considering over the papers, these shows over the weekend, what the long-term prognosis is for european earnings, global earnings. and of course their decisions on redemptions will hit the desks on monday morning. i think it's very important the narrative is led out of britain, led out of europe to provide some assurance of the long term future. >> what is the future of the union here? nicola sturgeon holding meetings today, and it's highly likely she will want to table an independence referendum. as britain goes into or gets ready for these negotiations
with europe, how much worse off would it be if it ended up being england and wales negotiating their deal with the eu going forward as opposed to england, wales, scotland, and northern ireland? >> and the strength of this gives the separatist movement in scotland is quite significant. but i wouldn't overplay it because when we had the scottish referendum back in 2014, oil was trading north of $100 a barrel. that was material in terms of making the economics stack up. and of course the sub text to any second referendum in scotland about independence will mean remaining in the european union as effectively a new member, and there is an obligation to join the euro as a currency. that is quite a swing factor for a lot of scottish voters. i don't think it's entirely plain sailing for nicola sturgeon, but certainly if she gets her way, and she's proved the single most effective uk politician in recent times, she's definitely capturing the
mood, capturing the momentum. that's a very dangerous thing for the remaining uk because with scotland outside of that group, it would just further weaken their hand in any negotiations. >> you would have thought we would be calling nigel farage one of the most effective -- i don't think he can believe it. he told our colleague, who would have thought 35 years ago. they were calling me a lunatic, that i would be able to pull this off. nigel farage being the leader of the uk independence party. thank you. >> thank you very much for joining us. a key figure who has campaigned for those two decades of britain to leave the eu is nigel farage. leader of the uk independent ensz party. becky spelled it out already. these pictures really tell the whole story. he's been criticized, though, for inciting fears over immigration. >> but the vote to leave is a political success, and that is an understatement for farage.
cnn's senior international correspondent nima elbagir spoke with him, and this is part of the discussion. >> i've been doing this for 25 years. i mean i was in danger, i think, in the 1990s of becoming the patron sapt of lost causes. i was written off as being a lunatic, and politically support for this was absolutely tiny. so when we got to 10:00 last night and the polls closing, i almost dared not to hope that what i dreamt of and worked for for 25 years could happen. but it did. >> reporter: could you believe it when you heard it? >> not really. i'm not sure i can now to be honest with you. it is -- and i say that not just because of my journey, but it's such a big, seismic political event. it's affected the rest of the european union too. >> reporter: for those out there who have been concerned that the anti-immigration rhetoric has at times been cover for less savory sentiments, there have been times when like phrases like indigenous workers. >> i never used that phrase at all. >> reporter: you have not, but
the leave campaign has become a very broad tent. >> well, both sides are a very broad tent. i would say this to you. we set uk apart. my party is none racist, non-sectarian party. we've been successful at being that. all we've argued for is an australian style point system. all we're arguing for is normality. >> farage also said that the uk will be safer outside the eu and the intelligence sharing will not decrease. that actually conflicts with what all the heads of the intelligence agencies said. but his message got across, and that's the point, isn't it? philip hammond disagreeing with him on that argument as well. >> after the uk voted to leave the eu, the british prime minister said a new leader for the country is needed. after this very short break -- and do not go away -- we will look at who could replace this man on your screen, david cameron. >> vote becky.
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>> translator: i want to say and all the initiatives he's been able to undertake in the areas of the objectives of sustainable development which have been a great success and which were approved by the general assembly last september. there was the paris agreement, which would not have been possible without the support of ban ki-moon and the secretary general. i also would like to speak about the british votes, which the
consequen consequences -- which does not affect the united kingdom's position in the united nations, being a permanent member of the security council. which it has already done for peace and settled the great questions of the world. but it is true for the entire planet. there are questions about what is going to happen. i was very concerned about the british vote. i deplored it, but it is democracy. but at the same time, we need to draw all the conclusions and consequences within the framework of the european union and the participation of the united kingdom. we now have to organize this separation, but we have to do this in the right order and following the rules, which must be implemented. but we're also going to maintain our relations with the united
kingdom, particularly concerning economics, france's relations concerning questions of migrants and refugees, and also this would be the case as far as defense is concerned. also we spoke about the great subjects that is first of all to ensure that the paris agreement can be fully implemented, and this supposes there could be the ratification by at least 55% of the countries. we hope that at the end of the year in marakesh, there will be this meeting, making it possible to ratify and therefore implement the paris agreement. we also have the will to settle in a dignified way the question
of refugees, and i would like to pay tribute to the initiative of president obama and the secretary of the united nations, and the general assembly in september in new york. we will ensure that the refugees will have new prospects. we have to think up policies in particular making it possible for them to have value to their knowledge, to their achievements, to what they have to offer. this is part of current affairs. that was the historic agreement in columbia which, following the conflict which lasted 50 years. i'd like to express all my gratitude and recognition. >> francois hollande speaking there, and due at that stand as well today, the secretary general of the u.n., ban
ki-moon. and after the uk voting to leave the eu, you had francois hollande there suggesting that this was democracy at work, but it is now a separation or a divorce that will be the next and very difficult stage as the eu effectively organizes how the uk will leave the project. after the uk voted to leave, the u.s. spoke with the british prime minister on the phone. >> barack obama told david cameron the special relationship remains a key part. >> mr. cameron had campaigned heavily to remain in the union, now he is stepping down and wants a new leader in place by october. >> i think the country requires fresh leadership to take it in this direction. i will do everything i can as prime minister to steady the ship over the coming weeks and
months, but i do not think it would be right for me to try to be the captain that steers our country to its next destination. >> rob nib let is director of chatham house, back with us for more anallis aboysis about who e the uk's next prime minister. thought? >> boy, thoughts. i think the big question is whose hand do the conservative party want to have on the tiller of what is going to be a really difficult negotiation. >> that's where boris is divisive. >> look, if you've called -- compared the eu to hitler, you're wondering how that, as your lead negotiator, is going to go down with countries that are going to have to think very carefully about their own survival and their own political position. and, you know, when you look at the steady hands, somebody like theresa may, the home secretary, who has always seen very much as euroscept eurosceptic, people might think to this thing called the balance
of competence review. hers was the only paper that didn't come out because it was seen as maybe being a bit too pro u. they came up with a strong thing about the european conventional and human rights. another bug bear for the conservatives during the campaign phase. >> and she voted remain. >> so she's been loyal to the prime minister but maintained those skeptical credentials. who unites? because in the end, the leave campaign are split, and they're split today. you've got those who always wanted to control immigration, like nigel farage, but didn't really care that much about the money side. you've got those who want free trade and an open market and for whom the single market is critical. and the single market, of course, would mean immigration. so, you know, who's going to bridge that? >> farage was giving an olive branch. it's very important to whoever
steps into downing street to be able to build on a relationship with paris, with berlin, and with brussels because whether or not you agree with it, you cannot extricate economies. >> absolutely. i think this is the irony for me of this whole brexit debate is the uk is going to be spending more time focused on europe for the next two to five or ten years, not on domestic or on international issues. so the great britain setting off as the buccaneering ship is going to be obsessed about europe. in the end, i think france and germany have very different attitudes to the future of europe. each in a way want britain slightly in their corner, and germany wants britain still to be part of that single market. that's the vision that's wanted. >> robin, is always a pleasure. thank you. much more on the fallout from the referendum. first we'll take you to atlanta to check some other stories we're following. >> that's right. we'll be back after that. stay with us.
european union referendum. but now we want to turn to other stories we're following. this one comes from china. russian president vladimir putin is in beijing for what has become an annual meeting with his counterpart, chinese present xi jinping. stephen, i would imagine the uk's decision to leave the eu is likely to be a talking point between these two leaders. >> reporter: natalie, that's right. brexit is likely to be a topic. but it's not going to be a focus because these two leaders are going to focus on this increasingly close and important bilateral relationship. and also brexit is probably one of the international issues the two do not see eye to eye. for his part, mr. putin, has come out to say that the result of the brexit vote is understandable. in his words, nobody wants to subsidize weaker economies. he even blamed the arrogance of the british leadership for contributing to this outcome. for mr. xi, his government
officially says they respect the choice made by the uk people and they're confident of the future development of china/uk, and china u relations. remember last october, mr. xi paid a very high profile visit to the uk and assigned multibillion business deals there. so the chinese have been trying to use the uk as a gateway to the larger european market. and the uk for its part has been a very pro-china voice within the eu, for example voicing its support to grant china the status of a market economy. so all these arrangements are now probably going to crumble down due to this brexit vote. so i suppose mr. xi is probably not going to be very happy about it. natalie. >> the complexities of this vote are mind-boggling as far as globally, are they not? steven, i want to ask you about the meeting between these two. the second time within the week. what are they really trying to accomplish from the bilateral meeting? >> reporter: that's right. they actually just met earlier
this week, and now they are meeting here again. there you have quite an ambitious agenda both politically and economically. politicalically i think both countries feel increasing western pressures on different issues. for the russians, it's the ukraine issue. it's been isolated by the eu and the u.s. since its an exation of crime mia in 2014. for china, it's the south china sea. as you know, it's increasingly locked in a heated dispute with its neighbors over competing territorial complains and it feels the west and the u.s. have been unfairly treating their position. so the two probably want each other's support to shore up their case internationally. economically, both economies are facing challenges, and so russia of course is facing continued european sanctions, and the chinese economy is slowing down in the past few years. so they could really tap into each other's huge markets as well as the investment
potentials. so it's really about money, but it's also more about money natalie. >> it usually comes down to money. we understand. steven, covering from beijing. thank you. we want to take you now live to armenia. pope francis is continuing his visit there, and we have video of him attending an outdoor mass right now. this is live video from armenia. earlier he attended a wreath lay ago the armenian genocide memorial. he has said the mass killing of armenians under ottoman rule back in world war i was a genocide. and this trip and those comments are likely to draw the ire of turkey. the government in turkey rejects calling the killings genocide and maintains there were losses on both sides. some 20 countries do recognize the event as a genocide, including france, canada, russia, and italy. the u.s., uk, and israel do not. turkey and armenia also differ on the number of people killed.
armenia says some 1.5 million died. turkey puts the number at around 300,000. but, again, this is the pope in his visit to armenia holding mass right now. brazil's only accredited lab to test for doping has lost its license. the brazilian doping control lab was suspended friday because of what the world anti-doping agency calls a non-conformity. the lab hopes to get its license back in time for the summer olympics. that's in six weeks. a spokesman for the lab says he will not comment on the events that led to the suspension, but lab officials hope, again, to get the ban lifted. that's the news from atlanta. we're back in london next. i'm natalie allen, and you're watching cnn.
leave the eu. >> and the dust is starting to settle in britain after what was an historic day, the world getting a clearer look at some of the consequences it can expect from this decision. >> foreign ministers from six founding countries are meeting and wheels are turning within the uk, as well. >> scotland holding a cabinet me meeting, saying another independence referendum is likely on the way. >> and hollande and ban ki-moon said they would remain strong ties with the uk despite their decision. >> translator: it is democracy, but at the same time, we need to draw all the conclusions and consequences within the framework of the european union and the participation of the united kingdom. we now