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started shooting into the crowd from inside the truck right after the fireworks ended. >> i wondered if that was fireworks. it was definitely not fireworks. you heard screaming and you just see masses >> reporter: another eyewitness capturing this video, the truck slowly approaching people on the promenade before the driver accelerate, hitting one after another. >> it was complete chaos. people were running away. one lady fell on the ground, and everybody was running right over her. >> the music was so loud that we couldn't hear anything. i didn't really see a truck but just people running and screaming and crying, people carrying their children. >> reporter: those who survived the attack describing the chaos and confusion. >> i was walking amongst bodies, dead bodies and wounded people and families of those people just gathering around the bodies. >> reporter: the truck's path of
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destruction over a mile long before finally stopping in front of this witness. >> he was nervous. he was moving inside like this, like this. i saw he's like holding something like a cell phone. >> reporter: police circling the truck, ending the carnage by shooting and killing the driver. >> they shoot gun until they killed him. his head was out the window. >> reporter: survivors desperate for help. >> i wasn't sure what it was and tried calling the police. the lines were completely jammed. >> i think it took 10, 15 minutes until there were first signs of ambulance. >> reporter: police say they found a handgun and several fake rifles and fake grenades. french president francois hollande raced back to paris after the attacks. telling the world that france is strong and will always be stronger than those who want to attack the country.
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now, investigators found in the truck an i.d. card belonging to a 31-year-old french-tunisian. this man had a criminal record, not any involvement with islamist extremism activities, but mostly for petty crimes. we don't yet know for sure that, in fact, the i.d. card belongs to the man who was driving the truck. french media is reporting that there have been several raids at the house of the man whose i.d. card was found in that truck. we are also hearing from french media that among the many injured, there are more than 50 children. of course, as you said earlier in the show, we are now learning from the american statesman that two americans were also among the dead. a father and son who had gathered here for the festivities. poppy? >> unbelievable. let's remember that state of emergency, as you know, still in place in france, which means you can do those raids without any prior authorization from a judge. meantime, this bastille day attack in nice marks the third
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major terror attack in france in just the last 18 months. the question so many people are waking up this morning and asking is, why does this keep happening in france? our will ripley is in nice with more on that. will? >> reporter: poppy, the third major attack and the second deadliest in the last 16 months, but if you look at the list of times that paris has been targeted over the last year and a half, it really is stunning. unparalleled in modern european history. by all indications, it appears that terror groups such as isis and others have put france in their bull's eye for a number of reasons. number one, this country is considered the epicenter of europe. it is secular. it epitomizes many of the western values that jihadists so despi despise. while the united kingdom or united states might be preferable targets because they're taking the biggest roles in the coalition to defeat isis, the u.s. is quite far away.
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the uk is on an island. it's more difficult to access. here in paris with freedom of movement throughout europe, it's essentially a soft target. that's the definition of what you saw here in nice where there were thousands of people out celebrating july 14th, bastille day. they were enjoying the lovely beachside promenade, the fireworks display. even though france has been on a state of alert and people have been fearful of attending large public gatherings over the last year and a half, it is clear that people were not expecting anything like this. this is truly a horrific attack, taking terrorism to a new level, using a truck in this way to kill so many people, something that hasn't yet been seen, which is why you see so many world leaders speaking out in condemnation and sympathy. a line has been crossed here, and the fear is that the terrorists will then take these attacks to even greater levels, which means more vigilance throughout paris, throughout france, and throughout europe. poppy? >> no question. what an absolute tragedy. thank you so much, will ripley. chris? >> let's discuss what's going on
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here and what the response will be. we have clarissa ward and cnn terrorism analyst and editor in chief of the anti-terror publication "ctc sentinel" paul cruickshank on the scene. we also have cnn counterterrorism analyst and former cia counterterrorism official phil mudd here with me in new york. clarissa, in one way, this is taking it to a new level, but in a practical sense, this is the lowest level. no need for explosives, no team involved. just a vehicle that's easy enough to get an using the opportunity of what's the equivalent of fourth of july there. people in a high state of celebration. this is the most impact for the least investment for the bad guys here. fair appraisal? >> that's exactly right. it's obviously, chris, a very some bo symbolic today, a symbolic target. also a soft target, many civilians gathered to watch the
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fireworks. many of them children, more than 50 hospitalized. we also know this is exactly the type of attack that isis has been encouraging. it was just over a year ago that we heard from isis' spokesman encouraging people to take whatever they could, whatever blunt instrument. he said if you have a knife, use it to stab people. if you have a car, use it to run people over. we've also seen al qaeda even before isis emerged encouraging people to improvise essentially, to use what they can. a heavy truck, as we saw so terribly last night, can do an awful lot of damage. but what is really striking, i think, chris, is hearing from france's prime minister today, and he's saying, of course, we mourn the dead, but essentially this is the new normal. there will be more events like this. and there is a very real sense here in europe that terrorism, unfortunately, is here to stay. >> in termings s of what happen
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today, phil mudd, i remember 2010, the alert came from homeland security about watch for vehicles being used. there was a guidance about them being in places they shouldn't be, driven erratically. it's almost impossible to figure anything out on that level. so what do you do on a day like today? >> there's a rhythm. you almost have a routine you have to go through on both sides of the atlantic. in america, there's a basic question at the bureau and cia this morning. i want every bit of data about the driver. you've got to prove a negative. has he ever e-mailed, phoned, traveled to the united states? is there any indication there's connectivity here? likelihood is near zero, but you can't assume that today. on the other side of the atlantic in paris, you've got to go through almost a checklist process. documents, money, acquisition of the vehicle, acquisition of weapons and explosives. go down that list of not only who the co-conspirators were, but was there a web around him that allowed him to acquire things like the weapons and exkploe
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explosives, the fake material. >> why was it fake? >> i got a couple problems with this. first, we apply a rational model. somebody conducts this operation. let me determine what i would do in this circumstance. i don't know. my guess is he might have been considering a broader operation that included the use of these to suggest it was a bigger attack than it was, but i'm not sure we're ever going to know, chris. >> paul cruickshank, the paperwork on this guy suggests a french-tunisian, north african. what's the significance to you of that? >> well, we've seen people of north african descent get involved in terrorist plots before in france. there's been a real problem of integration. there's a sense of alienation, of frustration amongst the second and third generations of this immigrant community. the isis message has also resonated amongst some of these
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people. but so far, what we're hearing from our sources is this person was not on the radar screen of french counterterrorism services. he was on the radar screen of french police for some petty crime, but there was no surveillance file opened into him by french security services. there are 11,000 french nationals and residents who they have opened these surveillance files for. so the fact he was not on the radar screen will be very disquieting for french authorities. we're obviously still trying to figure out the motive. we haven't had official confirmation yet from french authorities. we still don't know whether this was a lone wolf attack or whether it might have been instigated by isis or even directed by isis. in the french riviera, we have seen a significant amount of radicalization over the last several years. some of those people have been people of north african descent
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who have struggled to integrate. we've seen people travel over here from syria and iraq in quite significant numbers. even just a couple years ago, there was a french isis operative who came back and was arrested just a few kilometers away from here. he had actually t.a.t. devices that he put inside cola bottles to launch a bomb attack very near here in france. so this has been a long time coming, chris. >> clarissa, in terms of what they can do, every time i speak with you and paul about the situation there, they're overwhelmed with possibilities. the sheer population they're dealing with, it's either sympathetic or radicalized, is huge. they made a big move there by french standards in putting into effect this state of emergency. we just heard it's going to be extend another three months. what will this give in terms of additional capabilities, or does it just ensure the status quo in
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terms of their investigative capabilities? >> well, essentially, it's just going to continue the status quo. it will allow them to keep bringing people in for questioning, keep launching those raids. the question paul really touched on is how on earth do french authorities get to grips with the depths of this problem when the man in question, who is likely, possibly, responsible for this attack had no real terrorist background or extremist background that authorities knew of. he was involved, however, with petty criminality. this is something, chris, you and i have discussed so many times. i've gone blue in the face talking about it. this is the new reality of terrorism that authorities are now grappling to deal with. it's a sort of hybrid between somebody who may be a petty criminal, who knows how to organize a safe house, who knows where to get weapons, who knows how to lock into networks of the criminal underground, but who also then becomes radicalized and imbued with that zealotry,
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which makes a petty criminal and an incredibly dangerous proposition. for authorities, what can they really do about this? what we're seeing here, chris, as the caliphate, or so-called caliphate, is getting squeezed physically in syria and iraq, it's expanding online. we're seeing the emergence of a virtual caliphate. i just have no idea how you begin to police that. >> phil mudd, quickly here, what makes a thug, a low-level criminal, be susceptible to zealotry or radicalization? >> first of all, he can access ideology. 15 years ago he couldn't. today, get on the internet, look at videos, look at speeches. second and finally, you look at cultural issues. we talk about politics, french intervention into a place like syria. there are these neighborhoods on the periphery of major cities like paris and brussels where you have immigrants who do not have economic opportunities. i don't want to suggest that's an excuse. i want to tell you people like this don't believe that they have a place in society. that's one of the drivers.
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>> phil mudd, then on the scene paul cruickshank and of course clarissa ward. thank you very much. we'll be checking back with you throughout the morning. poppy? >> we have much, much more of our continuing coverage on the horrific attack in france. next, you'll hear from someone who witnessed the horror on nice's promenade as it all played out last night as that truck mowed people down that were out there with their families celebrating bastille day. what he and his wife did when they heard those shots ring out, next. the ford freedom sales event is on! with our best offers of the year! ♪ i'm free to do what i want... and 0% financing is back! on a huge selection of ford cars, trucks and suvs. plus get an extra $1000 smart bonus on specially tagged vehicles. that's freedom from interest... and freedom to choose with ford.
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welcome back to "new day" as we continue to follow the horrific, horrific terror attack in france. i want to show you some pictures of nice airport. that is where french president francois hollande will be arriving at any moment. he cut his trip short. he returned to paris last night for emergency meet wgs his cabinet. at any moment, he is stepping off the plane right now in nice, france, addressing what is the
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third major terror attack in his nation in just the last 18 months. i want to go to melissa bell in france. she's live for us in paris. as we look at these pictures of hollande arriving, speak to me about the state of your country, your nation right now. it is hard to wrap your head around the third major attack in 18 months. >> a nation very much waking up in shock. with the death toll already at 84, 18 people still in critical condition, and also much more about the numbers of children that have been admitted to the local hospital over the course of the night. more than 50 with two who are believed to have died in the early hours of them this morning. so a death toll that is expected to continue to rise. a nation in shock. here in paris, people are only really just recovering from the attacks eight months ago that claimed the lives of 130 people and now this. with this change in the tactics,
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we heard from the head of france's internal security just a few weeks ago speaking in front of a parliamentary commission that so far we'd seen knife attacks, we'd see kalashnikovs used. we'd seen suicide belts used. what we could expect is weapons being used, vehicles being used as weapons against large crowds of people in order to cause maximum casualties. this is, of course, exactly what we saw last night in nice. francois hollande arriving in nice. he's to go to the local police station. after that, he'll visit survivors in hospital. he's a tired french president who's had to deal with the fallout of three major terrorist attacks now over the course of the last 18 months. the night's been a long one for him. he addressed the french people at about half past 3:00 in the middle of the night, promising to take on islamist terrorism and naming this act as a terror act very early on, just a few hours after it had taken place. now he will go and seek to soothe those who are trying to recover from what they witnessed
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or what they went through last night. also keeping an eye on this investigation, which is in its beginning. french media are beginning to report the name of the man who drove that truck across a mile of that sidewalk, that boardwalk last night, causing all those casualties, a man who's believed to be a tunisian, who's been positively identified now from fingerprints in his truck. the big question that remains, and this is something we should hear about, was he acting alone or in coordination with others. >> melissa, for people that don't know this promenade well, just explain to our viewers what this is like, especially on french independence day, especially on bastille day, at the height of the summer season. it is absolutely packed. >> there were 100,000 people watching this fireworks display last night in nice. nice, like all the other french cities, people come out after nightfall, which is just after
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10:00 p.m. in midsummer here in france, to watch those firework displays. it's very much like the fourth of july. families, children, hence the chilling number of children who are now known to have been taken into french hospitals and those who are believed to have been among the 84 kills. families who had gone out to watch this firework display, it had just come to an end on the boardwalk of nice. that std pr-- the fireworks had just come to an end when the truck came careening towards the crowds. quite a large truck that was rented a few days ago, killing 84 people, and causing scenes that have been described by eyewitnesses as scenes of war. i think what people who survived witnessed last night is something they'll never forget and will take an awful long i'm to get over. the sounds of what they heard, i think in particular, have stuck in the mind of eyewitnesses who have been speaking to us over the course of the night. >> it's so chilling to watch
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this video as we speak. as i watch it, it reminds me exactly of the video we saw after the attack eight months ago in november, the video from the bataclan. people rushing out, desperately trying to save others. for francois hollande right now as he grapples with this, there's also a state of the unknown because the intelligence sharing, the increased security, the state of emergency hasn't worked. >> it hasn't worked. now, one of the first things francois holland did overnight was announce that state of emergency that's been in effect since those 13th of november attacks is to be extended. ironically, he'd only announced yesterday they would be brought to an end on the 26th of july, imagining that france had come out of the worst of it. as you say, this did nothing to prevent this man from renting this vehicle and using it as a weapon, this new method we hadn't seen used in france
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before and was used with such tragic circumstances, taking such a huge number of lives. now, the question is, was this a man acting alone? was this a man acting in coordination? in september 2014, the islamic state group put out a call to muslims in france, saying make sure that you take as many french lives as you can, and if you don't have weapons at your disposal, then use vehicles. was this a man heeding that particular call, a deranged man? what we do know according to sources close to the investigation, he was not known to the intelligence services. this was a petty criminal. that could be the sort of profile we're looking at. that will be one of the big questions for the investigation as it continues over the coming hours. >> by the way, that's a profile we've seen play out in paris and brussels. melissa bell for us in france this morning. >> and authorities will say if not for the state of emergency, who knows how many more attacks they would have had. they said they've been very productive under this new set of abilities. let's take a quick break. when we come back, the impact of
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terror on the presidential race here in the u.s. donald trump making his vp pick but then postponing the official announcement because of it. we have a live report next. ♪ is it a force of nature? or a sales event? the summer of audi sales event is here. get up to a $5,000 bonus on select audi models. americans are buying more and more of everything online. and so many businesses rely on the united states postal service to get it there. that's why we make more ecommerce deliveries to homes than anyone else in the country. the united states postal service. priority: you so we know how to cover almost almoanything.hing, even a romantic rodent. [rickie] a romantic what?
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donald trump postponing his vp announcement due to the terror attack in france. cnn has learned the pick is in. sources telling us donald trump has chosen indiana governor mike pence as his running mate. cnn's sara murray live at trump tower in new york with more. i mean, this does make sense. donald trump wants to get as much currency out of this announcement as possible. on a day like today, he would not. >> reporter: well, that's absolutely right, chris. i'm actually at the hilton in midtown manhattan, which is where donald trump was expected to make his announcement today. of course, i am here and he is not because he decided to delay it in the wake of these terror attacks in nice. he did call indiana governor mike pence yesterday. he made the offer. mike pence accepted, but in spite of all that, donald trump was still playing coy last night
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on fox news. >> i think newt is a fantastic person. i think chris christie is a fantastic person, been a friend of mine for 15 years. just a fantastic person. and mike has done a great job as governor of indiana. you look at the number, and it's been great. he's done really a fantastic job. but i haven't made a final, final decision. >> and even though trump says he hasn't made a final, final pick, he was a little more forthcoming at his california fundraiser last night. a source tells us he told donors in that fundraiser that he has made his pick and he is ready to announce. we do expect it to be indiana governor mike pence, but i imagine this is a very stressful situation for pence today. he does have to decide by this afternoon whether he is going to pull his name from the re-election fight in indiana. that's going to happen even though donald trump has not come out publicly and made the announcement. now, we are expecting to hear more from the trump campaign today about when they're going to reschedule this.
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of course, we'll bring you the latest as soon as we hear. >> that's just what chris and i were talking about. noon is that deadline for him to withdraw from the governor's race in his home state. sara murray, thank you so much, live for us in new york this morning. donald trump said months ago he wanted a political insider as his number two. mike pence certainly fits that description. he's the form current governor and former congressman. he's got a lot of experience and connections in washington that frankly trump just doesn't have. so what more do you need to know about this man? >> i'm supporting donald trump because we need change in this country. >> reporter: indiana governor mike pence, a veteran washington insider -- >> i'm prepared to make that case anywhere across indiana and anywhere across this country that donald trump would want me to. >> reporter: bringing that expertise and executive experience, noted for message discipline while bringing social conservativism to the ticket. >> you have a really good governor here. you have a nice guy and he's a
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good governor. >> reporter: pence hasn't always been aligned with team trump. during the gop primary, he endorsed trump's opponent, senator ted cruz. >> i'm not against anybody, but i will be voting for ted cruz in the upcoming republican primary. >> reporter: but in this interview, he also singled out and praised donald trump. >> i particularly want to commend donald trump, who i think has given voice to the frustration of millions of working americans with a lack of progress in washington, d.c. >> reporter: that endorsement of cruz was seen as lukewarm at best. >> i'm going to work my heart out to make sure we elect a republican president in the fall of 2016. >> even if it's donald trump? >> i'm going to support the republican nominee because indiana needs a partner in washington, d.c. >> reporter: even mocked by his future running mate. >> most people think it was more of an endorsement for me than it was for cruz. it was the weakest endorsement anyone has seen. >> reporter: but there have been times when governor pence has also been critical of donald trump, calling trump out over
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his attacks on the ethnicity of the judge overseeing the trump university case. >> of course i think those comments were inappropriate. i don't think it's ever appropriate to question the partiality of a judge based on their ethnic background. >> reporter: and splitting with the gop nominee over his call during the primary to ban muslims from entering the u.s. pence calling trump's proposal offensive and unconstitutional. criticism that pence has tried to down play in recent weeks. >> i'm supporting donald trump, not because i've agreed with everything that he's ever said. i've occasionally taken issue with things that he said myself. republicans have every right to do that. but i think at the end of the day, it's important we come together around our nominee. >> let's do more. >> reporter: pence served as a congressman for six terms in the u.s. house, rising quickly to prominence by taking on top house leadership positions. >> this fight is not over. >> reporter: a role that could help pence now as he works to
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unite the republican party. >> all right. we'll certainly be hearing more about that throughout the morning. you are looking at live pictures of french president francois hollande. he's now on the ground in nice. he's going to go to the scene of the attack, and we do expect him to speak. when he does, we will bring it to you live. the latest information is that there is no claim of responsibility yet for the terror attack there. we have an eyewitness to the attack next. wearing powerful sunscreen? yes! neutrogena® ultra sheer. no other sunscreen works better or feels better. clinically proven helioplex® provides unbeatable uva/uvb protection to help prevent early skin aging and skin cancer all with a clean light feel. for unbeatable protection. it's the one. the best for your skin. ultra sheer®. neutrogena®. see what's possible.
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the bastille day celebrations along the french riviera quickly turning into absolute horror. witnesses are describing chaos and confusion. let's just take a moment and look at some of this video coming in and listen. [ gunfire ] [ speaking foreign language ] >> a man caught in the middle of that, he and his wife were at a
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nearby restaurant and bar when the attack broke out. he joins me live from nice. take me back to the moment. what was going through your mind as you and your wife ran from the gunshots? >> i didn't even realize what they were. we heard these sounds, the pop, pop, pop sounds. my wife, oddly enough she's deaf, she recognized the sounds as gunfire. we immediately ran toward an open area underneath the prom na -- promenade. we crowded in with about 100 people in that storage area. we were in one toilet stall. there were probably ten people in the stall. you had no time to think. you just had time to react. that's what we did. >> the fact that this happened just as the fireworks were going off is something that so many people are pointing to as a sign
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of how perhaps well planned and horrifically executed this was. did this happen immediately at the same time as though fireworks were ending in your experience? >> no, the fireworks had ended probably about 10:30, maybe a little bit before. we were having a glass of wine and settling our bill, so it had to be, i would say, anywhere from five to ten minutes after the end of the fireworks. the finale was very obvious. so the we certainly didn't mistake it for the official fireworks. it could have been somebody setting off fire crackers. i wouldn't have known. as i said, my wife immediately recognized the sound as gunfire. >> this is the third major attack in france in the last 18 months. you had "charlie hebdo," then the attack at the bataclan in paris. now this. as an american going to paris, did you think about that? did it go through your mind?
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were you nervous at all about security? >> so we were in paris initially, and there was a pretty extensive police presence throughout paris. we wecame to nice last saturday. there weren't a lot of police obvious. we went to the fan zone for the football finals with portugal and france on sunday night and decided at the end not to enter, in part because there was such an enormous congestion of people. we were worried if there was going to be something that happened, it could happen there. so once nothing happened, we sort of pushed it out of our minds. last night the promenade was closed to traffic, and everybody was just enjoying being outside. terrorism was the furthest thing
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from our minds while we were enjoying the fireworks. >> let's look at this map. it shows you over a mile, that's how long the attacker drove, running over people over and over and over again. it is stunning. we are now hearing that there are some 50 children in the hospital being treated. what can you tell us, if anything, especially about the children, the youngest of the victims? did you witness any of that? >> the only thing we saw as we were being evacuated from the beach to a hotel was we saw a child's stroller, a program that had been obviously run over. later as we were being allowed to go back to our hotel, we could see bodies all over the road. honestly couldn't tell which were children and which were adults. they were all covered. >> what were people saying? >> i'm sorry? >> what were people say? what were you hearing in those
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moments? >> initially after the attack, there was just a lot of screaming, people were crying. people of all ages had crowded into the restaurant area. there were maybe 100 people initially, some of whom had jumped off the promenade down to the beach, which is probably three to four meters off beach level. when we moved over to the first hotel, where we were evacuated to, the emotions were full range from people who were going to sleep on the floor, to people who were just standing there sobbing. of course, there were children, some playing and some obviously pretty shocked by what they saw. >> and now today in the aftermath, as the sun has come up to display just a beautiful nice, for everything that it is, a place where people go to enjoy themselves in the summer.
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this is the height of the tourist season. what is the mood there today? >> very, very somber. we were in our hotel. our hotel made special accommodations for everybody. the mood is very somber. a lot of people were trying to check out. you can hear perhaps overhead planes are flying in and out of the airport. we're scheduled to fly back to london, where we live, tomorrow. we intend to keep that flight. we're not ready to leave today. it's too shocking. >> i can imagine. eric drattell, thank you so much for sharing that with us. i'm very sorry you had to experience it. thank you. >> sure. >> chris? >> a big question now becomes, how do you respond? france's anti-terror officials are investigating the brutal attack in nice. if it were terror, it would be the latest attack outside isis territory. what can we make of this widening spread of terror, and are there any patterns to the
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attack? cnn contributor michael weiss is a co-author of "isis: inside the army of terror." michael, thank you for joining us. >> sure. >> let's just start with the basic proposition here before we get to these specifics of comparison. you cannot stop attacks like this, certainly not in france, not with the population they have. they have as much police power now as they can. they have a state of emergency, it was just extended. a random lone wolf guy who's going to rent a truck and get a weapon with these contiguous borders is not something you have a very good chance of anticipating, true? >> no, exactly. isis knows that, and that's why in 2014 their spokesman came out with this global injunction saying, look, you don't have to be a trained operative, you don't have to spend time in syria, you don't even have to know how to wield a gun. you have a rock, stab somebody. you have a rock, smash the infidel's head. you have a car, drive over people. that's what this guy did.
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>> here's the frightening simplicity. this is an old in number. we know there are at least 84, many people still fighting for their lives. this was one guy, fake stuff in the back. as far as we know, one weapon and one truck. in terms of planning and sophistication and a need to cultivate somebody like this, how low is the bar? >> he had one active rifle that he was armed with. he either rented or bought a truck. that's all it took. >> this is very low-tech kind of operation. >> by contrast, the last time we were in paris, it wasn't for an anniversary of an attack but an actual attack, was something very different. how so? >> well, these guys were trained up operatives. after the attack, isis released a propaganda video showing them running around the cow patches of raqqah, giving these lectures to the camera, identifying themselves, dressed in the black-clad outfits and so on.
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they were trained. in fact -- and this is what makes it so scary. the guy who is in charge of what's the foreign intelligence apparatus of isis is a french national. we don't know his legal name. maybe the french do at this point. the french are all over this guy. french counterterrorism officials. the rumor was a few weeks ago he might have been picked up at the turkish-syrian border by the turks. if that's the case, it's because he was fleeing from northern syria, where the caliphate continues to be shrunk by the pro-coalition forces. this could well be the reason or the incentive for his entire network back in france to start escalating these attacks, and not just a network, but to encourage people. if you were in isis-held territory and you managed to go back to europe, maybe you're not going to set something off, but you're going to start to talk to your friends and your cousin and
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your brother and encourage people. >> very early on, experts like you drew a simple conclusion that we've all been ignoring, which is you are fighting an idea. if we look at the map here right now, okay, you have san bernardino and orlando. those have been the two latest flash points here in the united states. zero level of sophistication. maybe this guy was duped by this woman online, he wound up marrying, got radicalized. but very low level. it was the idea. orlando, this madman who goes in there and does whatever he does under the guise of zealotry. that was the idea. what happened here, which will likely turn out to be the idea. then you have these ones happening farther east that are just as likely to be planned as unplanned and random. what's the real enemy? >> it is the ideology, first and foremost. it's also the banner, i should say. a lot of people -- i spent three days interviewing an isis defector who was actually imprisoned by them in raqqah.
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the question everyone asks of these guys is, why did you join? invariably -- and we're focused on the broad, international phenomenon, guys in california or florida. when you're in the region, a lot of people are going over to the caliphate because of guns and money, for pragmatic reasons. they're leaving the caliphate for similar pragmatic reasons. but for them, it was, look, these guys are successful. they built a nation state called the islamic state. they have a welfare system. they pay their fighters well. they subsidize the families. your wife gets money. your in-laws get money. your kids get money. if you're sick, they'll send you to turkey to get health care. they're broadcasting this messianic vision. it's about, look, we've managed to achieve in a very short period of time what other quasi or dysfunctional governments in the middle east have failed to achieve. >> at the end of the day, it's just what they can give them. >> exactly. >> that's why the big battle
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against the idea to create opportunities for these people so they don't have to seek out extremists. >> exactly. >> michael weiss, we keep having the same conversation because we keep dealing with the same reality. poppy? >> absolutely. important perspective. it all plays into the politics of today. the terror attack in france, the third in 18 months, and other major terror attacks around the world having a major impact on the presidential race in the united states. the candidates are responding in different ways, very different ways. we'll discuss it all ahead. t co, seconds can mean the difference between life and death. for partners in health, time is life. we have 18,000 people around the world. the microsoft cloud helps our entire staff stay connected and work together in real time to help those that need it. the ability to collaborate changes how we work. what we do together changes how we live. i'm terhe golf.
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donald trump and hillary clinton striking very different tones as they respond to yet another deadly attack. joining us now to talk about all of this, cnn politics digital reporter eric bradner. cnn political commentator errol louis, and national reporter for "the new york times" alex burns. thank you, all, for being here. let's just take a moment and let's listen to how hillary clinton responded in the wake of this attack and how donald trump responded. >> this is war. if you look at it, this is war. coming from all different parts. frankly, it's war and we're dealing with people without uniforms. >> it's a very different kind of war. we could be easily misled. we've got to be smart about this, you know, not get pushed or pulled into taking action that doesn't have the positive effects it needs to have.
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>> so alex, to you. a more measured response, some would say, from clinton. trump says this is war. when you look at the polling, they're tied on terror, but trump does a lot better when people are asked who can combat isis more effectively. >> it's one of the really interesting phenomena in this campaign, poppy. even though clinton is generally seen as stronger on national security and stronger on whether she has the temperament to be commander in chief, on that narrower question of isis, trump pretty consistently outperforms her. i think you're seeing exactly why. his response to an attack like this is to vent the anger and the fear the people are feeling right now. over the long run, it may work for clinton to be the candidate who's out there saying, let's slow down, let's not do anything rash, but in the moment, trump is offering people that kind of instant gratification. >> eric, this gets complicated though because calling it war really touches on a mistake that the u.s. has made from the
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beginning here. congress has not declared war. they haven't wanted to. they haven't wanted to own this. they haven't even debated the authorization for use of military force. it's the only time in our political recent history that they say the president can do whatever they want. it's interesting that trump is kind of coaxing out this idea of, hey, let's get going on this, isn't it? >> that's absolutely right. so in terms of tone, trump is reacting in force while clinton reacts with precision. in terms of actually implements what they're talking about, trump would have less power. he'd have to go to congress. he would need authorization that clinton is not talking about getting. it's one of the sort of fascinating elements of this. perhaps reflects a candidate without the long political experience on this topic. he doesn't perhaps know or isn't used to the dealings of congress, asking for an authorization for use of
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military force and why that's so touchy. so if you listen to their answers, trump is more forceful, but in effect, a bit less powerful, perhaps, in terms of his ability to execute what he's talking about. >> and here's the thing, errol. hillary clinton is inextricably tied to the obama administration when it comes to fighting terrorists. and that is something that donald trump, after every attack like this, can come at her with and say you are part and parcel of a failed policy, he would call it, in syria. >> in some ways, she's not only tied to the obama administration but diplomacy as traditionally practiced in the united states. donald trump says what in effect amounts to bouncing the rubble around in damascus a little bit more. i don't know how much more of a plan he's got here. she's really talking about let's bring our allies together, let's have a conference, what she calls an intelligence surge which invokes the military surge of the bush administration but
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also sort of talks about intelligence, which is something that doesn't involve troops on the ground and people's sons and daughters. so she's very carefully and very deliberately trying to sort of find a way forward, and he just says let's bomb the heck out of them. as long as you say that, any administration, whether it's the obama administration, bush administration, talking about traditional diplomacy, lining up allies, trying to figure it out, starts to sound weak by comparison. trump appeals to a different kind of, sort of part of the brain of the american public. >> so why wouldn't everybody do this, alex? why wouldn't you always come out of the box as strong as possible? there's a fear of overreach. there's a fear of then scaring the american people and taking them to a place they don't want to be, which is certainly the case when it comes to boots on the ground overseas. let's make no mistake, obama won this election by saying he'd get out of iraq. that was very big in that election. then you had the economic downturn. then you have newt gingrich, who
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takes it a step further, this idea of how do we be forceful here. let's play what he said. >> western civilization is in a war. we should frankly test every person here who is of a muslim background. if they believe in sharia, they should be deported. sharia is incompatible with western civilization. >> all right. let's put aside the possibility of this. i don't know how you get this past any kind of institutional muster. i don't. >> or how you carry it out. >> but forget about all that. i'm just saying the concept, alex, of doing this, what's the plus/minus politically? >> oh, if you're newt gingrich and you see donald trump vacillating over a choice of vice president and you see this backdrop of terrorism, as trump is making that decision, as newt if you go out there and play to the gallery and go even further than trump has gone in talking about cracking down on muslim-americans, maybe you get another look at the top of the
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ticket. >> that's assuming, eric, you were a former reporter at the state house in indiana and know pence well, that's assuming that perhaps donald trump might make a flip-flop here on his choice on vp that we have all indications it's going to be pence. do you read it the way alex reads it? >> absolutely. donald trump has not publicly announced that mike pence is his running mate yet. he's sort of tried to build drama for this to keep the suspense. we know that he has made an offer, and it's been accepted, but until it's publicly announced, this is donald trump after all. this is a candidate who's done a million things that we've not seen before. so yeah, absolutely. newt gingrich is sensing an opportunity here. his argument as trump's running mate, as a trump ally, anything along those lines has been that the two of them are sympatico on
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these sorts of things. they're both willing to go farther than many politicians would. >> as he described it, two p pirates on one ticket. gentlemen, thank you. >> we have a lot of new developments on the france terror attack. let's get to it. welcome to our viewers in the united states and around the world. this is "new day." there has been another major terror attack in france. a man firing into a crowd in nice, then getting into a truck, plowing through people celebrating bastille day, which is the equivalent of the american fourth of july. at least 84 have been killed. there are many still fighting for their lives. among the dead, two americans on vacation there. a mile-long rampage all along this city's famed promenade. >> it was a horrifying scene. hundreds and hundreds of people
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running for their lives, all captured on the video you're seeing now. french president francois hollande in nice, landing just moments ago, meeting with officials there. he will soon visit the injured in the hospital. we begin our coverage this morning with cnn's senior international correspondent clar ris -- clarissa, who is live in nice. three major attacks in france alone in 18 months. >> reporter: that's right, poppy. the situation here is certainly tense. there is a heavy police presence behind us. you can see the promenade has been shut down and screened off. this is now an active crime scene and a large one, more than a mile long. there are police all around here, many of whom you can't actually see because there is such a large media presence. normally this area would be full of tourists. nice and the south of france is one of the favorite places for holiday makers in the u.s., overseas, and here in france to
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go. last night specifically was french independence day, bastille day. thousands and thousands of people would have been crammed into this area to watch the fireworks display. that's when the attack started. take a look. a scene of horrifying carnage, bodies strewn along the famed promenade. after this truck plows through a crowd of hundreds watching bastille day fireworks. a witness says the driver first started shooting into the crowd from inside the truck right after the fireworks ended. >> i wondered, is that fireworks, but it definitely was not fireworks. you heard screaming and then you just see masses of people fleeing. >> reporter: another eyewitness capturing this video, the truck slowly approaching people on the promenade before the driver
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accelerates, hitting one after another. >> it was complete chaos. people were running away. one lady fell on the ground, and everybody was running right over her. >> the music was so loud that we couldn't hear anything. i didn't really see a truck but just people running and screaming and crying, people carrying their children. >> reporter: those who survived the attack describing the chaos and confusion. >> i was walking amongst bodies, dead bodies and wounded people and families of those people just gathering around the bodies. >> reporter: the truck's path of destruction over a mile long before finally stopping in front of this witness. >> he was nervous. he was moving inside like this, like this. i saw he's like holding something like a cell phone. >> reporter: police circling the truck, ending the carnage by shooting and killing the driver. >> they shoot gun until they killed him. his head was out the window. >> reporter: survivors desperate
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for help. >> i wasn't sure what it was and tried calling the police. the lines were completely jammed. >> i think it took 10, 15 minutes until there were first signs of ambulance. >> reporter: police say they found a handgun and several fake rifles and fake grenades. french president francois hollande raced back to paris after the attacks. telling the world that france is strong and will always be stronger than those who want to attack the country. >> reporter: investigators say they did find the i.d. card of a 31-year-old french-tunisian man. there have been a series of raids on his home in nice this morning. he's not believed to have been involved with any extremist or islamist or terrorist groups, but he did have a significant criminal record, mostly for
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petty crimes. meanwhile, we're learning also from french media that among the injured, more than 50 children. we've also heard that among the dead, two americans, a father and a son. poppy? >> clarissa ward live for us today in nice. thank you very much. a member of france's parliament witnessed the attack with his wife and with his children. he joins us now from nice. unbelievable what happened. we were told some 100,000 people gathered there to enjoy the fireworks on bastille day. all hell breaks loose. you were there with your wife and your children. what was the experience like for you? >> there is a strong contrast between what we experienced yesterday with the fireworks on the one hand, and on the other hand gunshots and this truck
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driving through the crowd, people moving in every direction. so you have a contrast between the day of joy, the summertime, the fire works, and then the nightmare and this terror attack. so yes, that's a very hard situation actually. >> what did you and your children do? obviously a father's first instinct is protect my children. >> i did not realize what actually happened. we just took the children. when we saw the crowds moving in different directions, we decided to get inside a building. we were with different families, people from different nationalities. we didn't have any information. then when you just looked around, what happened after a while, you could realize there was a terror attack. but i must say it took a while for me to understand the situation. my wife and my children were
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more aware than i was. >> it's important to look at this in the broader context. that is that france is frankly under siege, that you've had three major, major attacks with huge numbers of casualties in 18 months. the intelligence chief in france testified three weeks ago, and he came out and said and predicted we would see a further evolution of these terror attacks and how extremists carry out these attacks. you already have a state of emergency in france. what does the country need right now? how can these attacks be prevented? >> i think we need more rationality, more cooperation, willing to share more information. yesterday i experienced that as a family, father. i also debated about that in the french parliament. from both sides, i see that -- i understand the situation right now. we are under threat because of a
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situation in syria with the islamic state. but we had the emergency state. we have the tools to react. it's not a question of having more tools or showing people that you have to be stronger an stronger. it's more a question of being efficient, of using the information that we have in a better way. that's very important. >> you're part of francois hollande's party, but if you ask those in opposition to you in the french government, they would say this is a function of too much immigration in our country, no control over who is coming into france. what do you say to those who say they will be emboldened after yet another attack. >> that's exactly what the terrorists want us to do, just to have this kind of conspiracy theories. they want to have this kind of clash of civilization. these theories are really far from reality.
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the reality is that we have a threat. we have a war going on in syria. we need to eradicate this movement because it will cause many damages in the future. we are aware about that. of course, it's very hard when individuals act because an individual can act in every city in france. i think those kind of theories, we don't need them today. we were supposed to have a day of national unity yesterday. we hneed to be together. we need to stand up together in order to fight those attacks, whatever the power is. i'm not surprised when it comes from that party.
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>> thank you so much. i'm so glad you and your family are all right. >> all right. this is the third major attack in france in 18 months. why is france such a target? cnn's seen your international correspondent clarissa ward, cnn terrorism analyst and editor in chief of anti-terror publication "ctc sentinel" paul cruickshank, and cnn international correspondent peter bergen. i've asked you all this question several times, but it bears repeating. paul cruickshank, why france? tick off the reasons. >> well, i think the biggest reason of all is the more than a thousand french nationals that have joined isis. this has given isis tremendous
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opportunity to launch attacks against france. i think that's the biggest reason why france is being targeted. not only the foot soldiers, the fighters, but people who are moving up the leadership structure of isis, getting involved in the external operations unit of isis, which is launching these accelerated attacks against europe. there was a german isis operative who was recently arrested and interrogated. he was told while he was in syria that isis had sent many app operatives back to france. they had all the operatives they needed, and they were just waiting for orders. that intelligence has to be evaluated, but the intelligence picture is very bleak right now when it comes to france. >> clarissa, you have lived part of that reason. you've gone to the neighborhoods in france and in bielgium where
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you have these large numbers of now second, even third generation immigrants who feel disenfranchised. what does that lead to? >> well, that's exactly right, chris. i would just piggy back on what paul was saying there. of course, there's a very large number of french fighters with isis. that's contributing to the issue. i think it's important for our viewers to understand how isis views this situation. i've spoken to several jihadis. they all tell me the same thing. they see themselves as being in a state of war with france, with many other western countries as well, but let's talk about france. their attitude is, if you bomb us in raqqah and kill our women and children, we'll bomb you at home and kill your women and children. so that's how they see this. they resort to asymmetrical warfare simply because it's not an evenly matched fight. they don't have anything like the military capabilities that, of course, the u.s. and other members of the coalition do. so that's how they see this fight. but you touched on something very important, which is the
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social issue, the social backdrop to this whole crisis. there is no question that the lack of integration in these sprawling suburbs outside of paris, outside of various french and belgian cities has absolutely been a contributor to this. even third and second generation french-muslims of tunisian or moroccan descent will tell you they don't feel like proper french citizens. they don't feel fully accepted by french society. they see themselves as moroccan-french or tunisian-french as opposed to french-french. they don't feel they have the same opportunities in terms of getting a job and having a normal life. now, that's not in any way to excuse the situation because there are millions of muslims living here quite happily and peacefully who of course deplore these kinds of attacks, but it does give you a sense of how it is that some of these more troubled elements are able to come out of this society, chris.
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>> and peter, to apply that to a little bit of a compare/contrast with the united states, we often hear two factors come into play in terms of why other than just simple geography, why the u.s. has been doing better here in terms of staving off attacks. one is the assimilation of all the different faiths and ethnicities here in the u.s. the second one is investigative capabilities and the application of rights and restrictions by intelligence authorities. the state of emergency was supposed to change that in france. how much ground are they trying to make up? >> i think the first thing you point out is absolutely correct. the american dream has worked as a firewall against these ideas in the united states. relatively few american-muslims have signed up for these ideas compared to what we see in europe. there's no french dream. there's no eu dream. there's no german dream. there's no ideological apparatus to easily bring in a large number of immigrants. in france, for instance, if you
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have a muslim sounding name with certain qualifications, you're 2 1/2 times less likely to be called to a job interview than you are if you have a christian name. 70% of the french prison population is muslim. i think it's very interesting, as clarissa was reporting earlier, that the perpetrator in this attack had a petty criminal background. if we look at every attack, the "charlie hebdo" attack, the november pairis attacks, the brussels attack, almost everyone has spent time in the french prison system, which is clearly incubating a great number of jihadis. they come in with a criminal background. they often are sort of in a sense the university of jihad. this is a very serious problem for france to get a hold on. >> paul, we experienced something similar to this about 20 years ago when people were worried about the proliferation of wahabiism being spread
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throughout the prison and they might be radicalized. it didn't happen. what makes france different that you're seeing such quick application to thugs and people who usually do crime out of opportunity and turning them into zealots? >> chris, you're seeing a large number of muslims in france, a disproportionate number going to jail. when they go to jail, they get expoetzed to all sorts of influences. those influences unfortunately include radical preachers. they give these people meaning, a sense of purpose. they say all the sins you are committing, the crimes you were committing, that was just because you were corrupted by the infidels. put your skills, your criminal skills, your access to firearms
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and criminal networks, buput th at the disposal of our god-given cause and you'll be saved. this has been intoxicating for a generation here in europe, not just in france, but in other countries. we've also seen people who are involved in gangs feel that isis'' tho ethos is appealing. we have, in effect, in europe seen radicals become islamized. as before, we were seeing more a case of islamists becoming radicalized. that's a big change and it's very worrying to authorities here. >> it's obviously having deadly impact. paul cruickshank, thank you very much. peter bergen, clarissa ward, as always, thank you. we'll check back with you in a little bit. poppy? >> as we talk about the bigger context there and the bigger issue facing france, it's important today to focus on the injured, the victims. doctors at a hospital in nice
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rushing to save the lives of all of those injured in the attack. french president francois hollande is expected to arrive at that hospital at any moment to comfort the injured. one of the things that we are hearing, and i'm wondering if you can confirm for us, is that as many as 50 children are hospitalized. do we know? >> reporter: we don't have the exact number, but we do know that the number of children that have been hospitalized, killed in this attack has been unusually high. very young children as well. remember, this was a family event. everybody was going out to see the fireworks at the beach. bastille day here is like july the 4th in the u.s. it's a big family affair. they were just dispersing from that when the attacker plowed through the crowd, for two kilometers driving through. in the videos we've seen, the bodies are littering the streets there. unfortunately, a large number of
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them children. a lot of the injuries, as you can imagine, very severe. fractures. we've been speaking to some of the families that have been looking for information here, some of the victims that have come out, they've described the complete chaos. one man i spoke to still had blood on his shorts. he was sort of still in shock, rambling, saying over and over that the driver kept on driving through the crowd and saying he didn't know where where his daughter was. so it's still very raw here. still people trying to piece together what happened and to try to find loved ones. for many of those children, many of the parents trying to figure out what has happened to them. it really is a very desperate scene inside. >> all right, atika. we'll check back with you soon. there's no question that this is a nightmare that just keeps repeating. you see terrorists striking popular european cities. why does it keep happening? i think we know that by now. how can you stop it? that is the question. we get perspective from
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with nbc sports live extra. i'm getting ready. are you? x1 will change the way you experience nbcuniversal's coverage of the rio olympic games. call or go online today to switch to x1. this incredibly deadly attack in nice is the third major terror attack in france alone in just 18 months. everyone is asking, why does this keep happening specifically in france? no one better to discuss it with us than cnn chief international correspondent christiane amanpour. the discussion before the break with clarissa, paul, and peter talked about the ties to french jails. we know that side of it, but there's more at play here. >> well, look, there is. that is a big part of it. the fact that so many jihadis
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have gone from france to syria and the blowback of all of that. but the bottom line is, as well as the disaffection of this huge muslim population in france, it has the biggest muslim population of all the european countries, and they're mostly, as you've heard from peter and the others, marginalized with very little of the so-called french dream available to them. all of that. but very importantly, this coincides -- if you pinpoint these attacks, whether in france or in belgium or in the united states or wherever it is, they have started in earnest since the rise of isis. that is a really important thing to remember. the war in syria, which has started to radicalize muslims around the world, jus as the war in bosnia did, just as the war in afghanistan did, people started to radicalize and decide they need to fight this. well, this is what's happening in syria and iraq right now.
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france is one of the leading members of the coalition against isis. france is generally known to want to take even more proactive measures than the rest of the coalition. certainly more proactive measures against isis and frankly against bashar assad, to stop the syria war. much more proactive if it could than either president obama or the british prime minister or others. so this is a major issue that until the war in syria is ended and until isis is defeated, not just contained but defeated, and until an adequate offensive is mounted, according to most of those who observe and track this situation, this will continue, including the refugees, the migration, and all of that, that is destabilizing europe at this point. >> but that point of the refugees, of the migration, is what all plays into this so politically in the divide. those that believe that hollande's left-leaning government is not doing what it takes to prevent this in their
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country. people who come out and say, look, we told you this would happen if you don't clamp down on immigration. you've been speaking with a french senator who has a very dire outlook. >> yeah. i mean, look, this is obviously going to be played with as a political football. that's even manufacture dangerous than the reality on the ground because that means you won't find solutions. you will just see partisanship and division and people using it for their own politics of fear and gain. that's on the one side, and it's very dangerous. on the other side, french senator, who i've been talking to for a long time and who was on cnn earlier today, said to me the message of today is that we cannot prevent this at this moment. she said, we in france are at maximum security alert. we've had the state of emergency. we're now going to extend the state of emergency. nice is one of the most secure cities in france. it has very, very security minded mayor, the president of the regional department, as they
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call it down there, have brought in more police, more surveillance cameras, more security, facial recognition technology, all of that. but it keeps happening. she said that's the message today. no amount of states of emergency is going to stop it, and she even went so far as to say if any of your viewers has a solution and has the weapons for us to deal with this, send us your e-mail. there is a sense of hopelessness. a lot of it comes down to what is the trigger, and that is the act of war in syria and iraq right now. >> when you talk about fighting it, so much of it is fighting it in the mind. it is what many of these attackers are indoctrinated into. that's a key part of it that's been incredibly hard for them to fight. christiane, thank you so much this morning live for us from london. chris? >> we're seeing what has happened in nice play out in the election. in fact, we've had lots of attacks that have been a test of what this election will be
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about. donald trump says this is war. he wants a declaration of war. hillary clinton says this is a different kind of war and shows more of a deliberative nature about it. what is the plus/minus of these two strategies? we're going to talk to somebody who knows coming up. you know whd to do with guys like that when they were in a place like this? they'd be carried out on a stretcher, folks. and you can tell them to go f--- themselves! i could stand in the middle of 5th avenue and shoot somebody and i wouldn't lose any voters, okay? it's like incredible. when mexico sends its people, they're bringing drugs, they're bringing crime, they're rapists. you know, you could see there was blood coming out of her eyes, blood coming out of her wherever... you gotta see this guy - ahh, i don't know what i said, ahh. "i don't remember." he's going like, "i don't remember!" our children and grandchildren will look back at this time... the choices we are about to make.
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the goals we will strive for. the principles we will live by. and we need to make sure that they can be proud of us. i'm hillary clinton and i approve this message.
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we have both partieparties' nat conventions just days away. many will ask this question, how will each lead against this threat of terror. joining me to make clinton's case, president and ceo of women in need, christine quinn. i want to play for you what trump said and what clinton said, and we'll take it from there. >> this is war. if you look at it, this is war coming from all different parts. frankly, it's war and we're dealing with people without uniforms. >> it's a very different kind of war. we could be easily misled. we've got to be smart about this, not, you know, get pushed or pulled into taking action that doesn't have the positive effects it needs to have. >> here's the suggestion. trump seems more forceful, more ready to get after it and get it done. that's why polls show that if you talk about foreign policy, clinton gets a bump. if you talk about fighting isis
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specifically, trump gets an even bigger bump. what's your counter? >> look, i think they're both right in the sense that this is a war. it's a war very different than any one we've ever had to fight before. as we saw last night t continues in ways that are different every time an attack seems to happen. the nature of what we're up against, the complexity of it, the deep-seeded nature of it, the idea of it, in addition to the violence of it, that's going to take somebody who actually has a deep understanding of who our allies and our enemies are, of foreign policy, and somebody with this kind of a war, more than any before, who is strong, tough, and has a steady hands. donald trump, there is no question, is good at railing against what he thinks it bad. in this case, actually rallying against an evil. but his bombastic responses, his
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shoot from the hip, his lack of any real world or international knowledge, that's dangerous in this time. >> but sometimes it becomes simple. they want to kill you, kill them first. that works for the american voter right now. the complexity you're suggesting, many will suggest got us where we are today and clinton is as potential as anybody because she was part of the administration. she's the one who often brags on her resume of having travelled all over the world to create the current condition, which stinks. >> there's no question. and secretary clinton has been a leader in this regard. part of winning this war is killing our enemy. we've seen those unbelievably impactful pictures of her in the situation room with the president, with the vice president making some of the most important takedowns of major terrorists in this country's history. but this isn't going to be fast,
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and it's going to be complicated. yes, there were mistakes made by republican administrations as it relates to the war on terror, and maybe more could have been done by the democratic administration. >> trump didn't make any of those mistakes. he's coming in with a clean slate. >> he didn't make any of the steps or moves that took us to where we are. he didn't make any mistakes, you could say that. >> and he says he was against the ones that were made. he was against the iraq war that started this, in many people's interpretation. >> two things. he didn't make any mistakes because he didn't do anything. he didn't make any mistakes because he's never been on world stage. he's never had to make a decision to send men and women into battle. if you've never done anything of relevance to keeping the world safe, you can have a perfect batting average. he's never been in the batter's box. >> what's the difference between creating a situation that stinks versus a guy who wasn't there? >> also, his record on the war,
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we've seen he's flipped and flopped. he doesn't have this pure vision. we've seen him putting his finger up in the air. when it seemed to be right on one side, that's where he was. seemed to be right on the other side, that's where he went. we have to understand that the situation we're in can't -- there isn't one decision or one person who's responsible for it. what we do know is that secretary clinton has made important contributions that have notwithstanding all the unspeakable horrible tragedy that's happened recently has actually made the country safer. it made the world safer. and she has the knowledge to get us over the finish line in this. do you really want someone whose international per spektive is based on the success of his golf courses, not on understanding who our allies are, how we beat this on the ground, and how we beat this in people's minds.
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>> last point. where does your confidence come from that you said hillary clinton has the knowledge to get us over the finish line. what finish line? there are more attacks all the time. it's getting worse. this has metastasized as a cancer into a form where a person who's just diseased of mind or of spirit can get a gun, which is always going to happen no matter what you do or don't do in the case of washington, d.c., and get in a vehicle and do what we just saw in nice. what finish line? what is she going to get us over? it's getting worse, not better. >> the attacks are certainly happening more rapidly this summer. there's no question about that. but i know because of her life's work, because of her intelligence, because of her strong and calm outlook in these moments -- in these moments you need leaders who are going to lead, who aren't just going to react in a way that feeds the desire of folks to be more angry. i know based on her leadership
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successes, her international successes, her relationships, that she will get us to the point where we win the war on terror. now, that's not going to happen tomorrow, chris. it may not happen, you know, in her first year. but i know she can get there. what i know also for sure is that donald trump has no experience, no knowledge, and we all know does not have the temperament to lead not just this country but the world to the place where we have to get where we have defeated terror in its killing sense and also the deep-seed eed minds of people w see this as an opportunity for their families. that's complicated. donald trump knows how to rant and rave and pick on people and call them names. that's going to make us less safe, going to antagonize the enemies, put us in more danger. but you're right, it's not going to be quick. but we need a leader who can hold using to, not rip us apart. we know donald trump is all
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about ripping america apart. >> all right, christine quinn, that's the case from the clinton perspective. appreciate you making it on if "new day." let me show you picture as we go to break. we're awaiting french president francois hollande. he's obviously getting into a car right there. we believe he's going to meet with some of the victims at the hospital in nice. then he's going to speak. when he does, we'll bring you his comments live. coming up also on the show, after this break, donald trump's campaign chairman paul manafort, he was hired to do a job, and it looks like he got it done. the convention should be clear sailing for trump. how did he do it? we'll figure it out. well, the terrorists in the france terror attack overnight used a truck to carry out this rampage, but around the world, just think about the last month. we're seeing attacks in restaurant, concert halls, at airports. we're going to talk to the former head of the cia about how terrorists are evolving their ways of carrying out these
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in critical condition after a truck rammed into spectators watching bastille day fireworks on nice's famed promenade. now we have seen major attacks like this on the promenade, at airports, at restaurants, at nightclubs. how can officials keep up with the evolving method of these terrorists? to talk to us about that, the former director of the cia. thank you, sir, for being with us. let's just think about it. bangladesh, they held hostages in the restaurant. in istanbul, it was the airport. last night in france, it is nice's beautiful promenade. the evolution of the terrorist tactics is key here when you talk about fighting the enemy. this guy had one gun and one truck and that's it. >> it's relatively easy to kill people in democracies or relatively free societies where crowds can gather and you don't have a policeman or secret
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sergeaagent standing around. >> that's the thing. france does have a huge number of police on the streets right now. >> not enough to stop terrorism. whether it's a truck or chemical weapons they've got frighten assad or whether it's explosives, they can kill dozens of people at a time doing what they've been doing now for years. and we are not doing anything effective to stop them. >> when you say, sir, that we're not doing anything effective to stop it, there is a contrary notion that things could be much worse because of the simplicity of these actions as we were discussing before. it doesn't take a lot of sophistication or guidance to do this kind of thing, especially what this murderer just did in nice. so why has the u.s. had so many fewer of these attacks if it's not figuring out some way to deter most of them? >> although we all criticize our law enforcement, it's actually by world standards quite good.
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we have close coordination between cia and fbi. we have local police departments that have people who have done a really good job. new york, i think, under giuliani was probably a very good example of how to run a policing operation so that you minimize the chances of terrorist you can't do away with. as long as we're a democracy or france is a democracy, the islamists are going to be able to run operations such as they did. >> what about the intelligence sharing factor? when chris and i were in france in november covering that horrific attack, i kept hearing over and over again there's been a complete breakdown in communication and intelligence sharing between eu countries, and that was key when you looked at the brussels connection to that paris attack. is this an indication that it hasn't gotten any better? because this guy didn't have a terrorist rap sheet at all. he had petty crime background, that's it.
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>> well, some of the european countries are not real vigorous. belgium, for example, they wouldn't ever arrest anybody after 9:00 p.m. they close down the shop at 9:00 p.m. our people in law enforcement and intelligence work really are together. we work with some countries like britain very effectively. others less so. even if you held everybody up to an american standard of thoroughness and technical sophistication and so forth, all of the intelligence and law enforcement operations, you still would be vulnerable to things like what happened in nice. >> so you get the question of, well, what do you do? we want to be safer. we don't like the proliferation of attacks. if you want to put back up the map of how many there have been in recent times. the reason that map is notable, for what it shows and what it doesn't show. there are hardly any in the united states. now we're trying to figure out
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how to do better going forward. do you believe islam is the problem? we just heard newt gingrich, very smart guy, saying we should test every muslim in this country to see if they believe in sharia, and if they do, then we should deport them. do you believe that islam is the problem, and do you believe that a religious test would be the answer? >> i know newt slightly. it's hard to be more supportive of religious liberty unless you're thomas jefferson. he was amazing. and that side of islam in indonesia, for example, has a long tradition going back centuries of religious liberty. that's not the tradition that grew out of the arabian desert, which dominates the mosques and so forth in the united states as well as in europe in the mideast. but it's not a hopeless situation but it's tough.
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when i talk about taking firm action, what i would suggest is that first we've got to destroy isis in its own lair. when we in the clinton administration moved against serbia, president clinton authorized hundreds of air strikes a day. we're going with 10 or 20, something like that, in what's going on in syria and iraq now. you can't win that way. you have to take out your enemy. we shouldn't be just sort of sitting there in front of mosul saying, well, maybe one day somebody will take it. >> the question becomes the will of the american people to escalate it that much. important conversation. we'll have you back. jim, thank you so much, former cia director. to politics, donald trump says, quote, this is war, after the terror attack in france. newt gingrich is calling for, as chris just said, the questioning of every single muslim in
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american and asking them what law do they believe in. do they follow sharia law? if so, he says deport them. it is a discussion, an important one to have. trump's campaign manager paul manafort with us next. they're delicious side dishes with the protein of beans, whole grains.. ...and veggies! mmm good. my work here is dooooone! bird's eye protein blends. so veggie good.
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picture from france right now. we've been monitoring the situation with french president hollande. he left the airport, on his way to the hospital. he'll be meeting with the injured. there were a lot of kids hurt, and kids were killed. the president is going to go, meet with the wounded. he is then going to speak. when he does, we'll bring it to you live. back here in the u.s., that
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situation reverberating into our race for president. no question about it. but there are a lot of different battles going on. donald trump, responded to this attack by saying this is a war. denounced radical terrorism and holding to ban immigrants from countries that he says are connected to terror. take a listen. >> this is war. if you look at it, this is war, coming from all different parts. and frankly, it is war, and we're dealing with people without uniforms. we better get awfully tough and awfully smart and vigilant, very, very quickly. our world is becoming a much, much different place. >> trump postponed his scheduled announcement confirming his vice-presidential pick, governor mike pence. what does this mean to the campaign. paul manafort. paul, good to see you. >> good to see you again. >> before we get to that, and there is certainly a lot of business at hand, i have to ask you, how did you do it?
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you got brought in to do a specific job. create a clear path for trump at the convention. nobody thought it was possible. they thought even if he won the votes, there was going to be a problem. you came on the show, your first interview with trump and said it is not going to be a problem. we'll get it done. let's put up the tweet you put out yesterday, a tweet that many people thought we would see, which was you saying, anti-trump people get crushed at the rules committee. it was never in doubt. convention will honor the will of people and nominate. how did you get it done. >> only in your doubt. in politics, you have to watch what's going on, not listen to the chatter. when i got involved in the trump campaign, it was clear to me that donald trump had tapped into the anger and fear that was running through america. now, we may not be so dominant in new york or california, but you travel the country, and you feel it. he travels the country and he felt it. when i looked at where he was in the campaign when i first got
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involved, he had incredible victories, a smart strategy, they hadn't performed well in the souther primaries, so they couldn't use their strategy to close out a victory for trump. what was important for me to help donald trump was make sure his message was able to be strategically focused, in places he wasn't just winning the state primaries, but winning them in the right way. >> all right, i get it. i get what you were doing with messaging to help yourselves in the primaries, but i'm saying when you went to people who nobody knows better than you do, within the gop, the people who run the party, who run it both, whether they're in party apparatus or elected official, when you went to them and said trump is going to win it, don't block him at the convention, i know you were getting resistance. how did you pave the way to where you are right now to where supposedly the never trump movement is done at the convention? >> making things -- it makes it easier at conventions when you actually win the primaries, and
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he did that. we had the delegates there. a lot of the noise that you've been hearing for the last month and a half -- >> unbinding delegates. >> there were very few delegates, it was the malcontent who lost, who weren't even delegates to the convention. when i did my analysis to the convention, we had three different types of delegates. we had trump delegates that had been elected. delegate whose had been elected for other candidates, and unbound delegates. many for the other candidates, once trump won, moved over to support trump. they're party people. they had their preference, but most of them, as usual in primaries, went over to the winner. so then you had these unbound or uncertain delegates, which became a shrinking majority as donald trump was out there, unifying the party. and so the delegate process was never the issue. it was the noise from outside of the delegations, and what we did yesterday in rules, i mean it was really not only the right thing to do, it was the moral thing to do, but politically it,
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was easy to do because the delegates were saying okay, what are the issues. should we unbind the delegates, should we tell the record number of republican whose have voted in the primaries, you don't matter. . well, even people who weren't  supporting trump on the committee said no, you can't do that. >> dangerous proposition. >> the other part was vote your conscience. you had your chance to do that on primary day in your state. this wasn't the time in the convention. so we crushed them. as i'm telling people today, never trump is never more. i mean they're gone. >> so let's talk about the state of play. i figured that trump was postponing that announcement for today for obvious emotional reasons, you know. you have nice going on, be sensitive, don't make it about a political proposition, but then he goes on fox last night and he says well i haven't made my final, fine al says it is pence. is it pence?
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>> the postponement is because of what happened in france yesterday was so tragic, he emotionally reacted to it. >> makes sense. >> it bothered him to see that carnage and felt the pain of the people there. it's just not right to do something self-serving and political the morning after. >> right. i totally get it. >> so he said i want to postpone it. >> that makes sense. but i haven't made my final, final decision, because you've got pence in a bind. he has to announce if he is running for governor today. you put him in a -- you don't like this question. >> now you take something that makes sense and make it into something else. >> it does until he says i haven't made my final decision. is that just trump keeping us waiting. >> until he announces it, it's not final. that's true. he announced a change because it had nothing do with politics, today, he'll be announcing when he makes the decision. i expect there will be an announcement of his choice before we get to cleveland. >> so over the week conditioned
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it has to be. not today? >> that will be discussed. i mean, i don't think so. because i think he thinks it is inappropriate to do it today. >> and you're not worried about compromising mike pence's opportunity to run for governor? >> donald trump, whoever he select, and whoever he says is the selection, will honor his word. that's who he is. >> tim tebow, is he in or no? we heard he said that himself, he is not -- we heard from you guys he is. >> the convention arrangements does the inviting. we're not involved with that. we're involved in making sure the program had the strategic framework that we want. making sure the people we want to speak were invited to speak. we're not the administrative agents for that. i don't know what happened between the announcement of tebow and an invitation. i do know we have a lot of people that want to speak. the idea that people are not wanting to speak is not true. in fact, we have some of the major political candidates, like
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ted cruz, like governor walker, even marco rubio is sending a video. because he is clocked in his own primary in florida. so many of the opponents of trump, many of the leaders of the republican party are speaking, but also, this is a different convention. it is different, because we don't want it to be about the establishment. we want it to be about change. and so a number of the speakers are people like tim tebow, ordinary americans. >> right. >> and people who know donald trump well. because we want people to understand the whole picture of who donald trump is. not just the candidate. >> you're not sure if it will be tebow or not. >> i don't know what the arrangements are. >> let me ask you, newt gingrich went farther than trump ever has when dealing with muslim americans. trump's most recent iteration of his position on immigration with respect to muslims is if they come from a country that is connected to torerism, i want to take a second look, maybe we ban
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them altogether, he is working that part through. n newt says if you're here in america, we're going to talk to whether or not you embrace sharia or not, if you embrace sharia, we're going to send you back. is that something donald trump agrees with? >> hold on. have i gotten it wrong. >> not you -- >> you know how i feel about being blamed. >> you the immediamedia. >> islamic terrorism, it is important that the vetting system -- >> i get that. but newt said a religious test. >> i don't know what newt said. does that qualify him from vp because he said that? >> i don't know what he said. >> i just told you what he said. >> maybe he said more. i don't know the context. here is the point. the point is the country has serious problems dealing with terrorism, both domestic and
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international. leadership is failing. and donald trump is going to take a holistic approach to how we focus on these things, and not going to allow disparate activities in the cmunities to define everything. whether it is in the muslim communities, italian, my hometown, or other communities, he is saying we have to have leadership, cognizant of the problems going on in the country, and we have to make sure that people coming into the country are known for who they are. not just wholesale allowed in. >> media and italians. imagine how concerned i am. i'll see you in cleveland. you're always welcome here. >> i'll be back. >> thank you, sir. we have continuing coverage on the france terrorist attack. let's get to it, right now. >>announcer: this is cnn breaking news. we want to welcome our viewers in the united states and around the world. this is "new day," terror has
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struck again in france. this time, a man fires into a crowd, then plows a truck through a crowd at the national equivalent of the july 4th occasion in france, called bastibas bastile day. fighting for their lives, children as well as two americans lost their lives there on vacation. >> we are learning much more about the injured, including the children. this chaos sent hundreds and hundreds running for their lives. the french president right now at the hospital in nice. meeting with the victims of this attack. those people fighting for their life right now. chris, we have the global resources across the board covering the breaking story. let's begin with cnn senior correspondent clarissa ward who is live in nice. clarissa. >> reporter: good morning, poppy. that's right. we've been hearing some more
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details about the scale of the injuries. more than 100 people injured in last night's brutal attack. among them, 28 children. two children now known to have died. we know two americans have died. a father and son. and we just learned moments ago, also that two canadians have died. i'm standing here at the end of the promenade. it is popular with people all over the world. also with french people, and behind me now, you can see, it has been shut off. this is an active crime scene. there is security all around the area it is a crime scene, by the way, that stretches more than a mile long. but last night, it would have been filled with thousands of people gathering to watch fireworks, because yesterday was bastille day, france's independence day, people from all over the world, many children were right behind me watching, and that's when the attack began.
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take a look. 1 . >> reporter: a scene of horrifying carnage, bodies strewn along the sea side promenade. after this truck plows through hundreds watching the fireworks. a witness says the driver first started shooting into the crowd from inside the truck, right after the fireworks ended. >> i wondered is that fireworks, but it definitely was not fireworks. and you heard screaming and then you just seen masses of people fleeing. >> reporter: another eye witness, capturing this video of the truck slowing approaching people on the promenade, before the driver accelerates, hitting one after another. >> it was a complete chaos. people were running away. one lady fell on the ground and everybody was running right over her. >> the music was so loud, we couldn't hear anything.
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i didn't really see a truck, but just people running, and screaming and crying and people carrying their children. >> reporter: those who survived the attack, describing the chaos and confusion. >> i was walking amongst bodies, dead bodies, and wounded people. and families of those people just gathering on the bodies. >> reporter: the path of destruction, a mile long before stopping in front of this witness. >> he was removing inside like this, and i saw he was like holding something like a cell phone. >> reporter: police circling the truck, ending it by shooting and killing the driver. >> they shoot gun, until they killed him already and his head was out the window. >> reporter: survivors, desperate for help. >> i wasn't sure what it was. and tried calling the police. the lines were completely jammed. >> i think it took 10, 15 minutes until there were like
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first signs of ambulances. >> reporter: police say they found a handgun and several fake rifles and fake grenades. french president francois hollande raced back to paris after the attacks. telling the world that france is strong, and will always be stronger than those who want to attack the country. now we know that investigators found an i.d. card in the truck belonging to a 31-year-old french tunisia man. he was known for police, not for islamic but for a criminal record, mostly for pettedty crimes. we're here from french media, there was a series of raids on his house in a suburb of nice. what we don't know absolutely is if the i.d. card that was found in the truck in fact belonged to the perpetrator of this attack. it is important to remind the viewers as well, so far, no
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group has claimed responsibility. we have not heard anything from isis. that doesn't mean they didn't direct the attack. that doesn't mean it wasn't inspired by them. it just means so far, no claim of responsibility. poppy, chris. >> clarissa, thank you. we'll take our viewers to that suburb that clarissa just mentioned with connection to the attacker in a moment. before we do, though, i want to take you to the hospital. the hospital where the victims are fighting for their life. that's where the french president is at this moment, meeting with the vehicles, trying to ufr whatever comfort he can. artica is there. what we're learning, dozens and dozens of children among the injured, and now we're hearing children have died. >> reporter: that's right. we have confirmed with the children's hospital that two children died overnight from their injuries, 30 children in all were brought for treatment. most of them, this sort of
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catastrophic fractures, the things you would see in horrific car accidents. it has been very difficult for doctors and here at this hospital. now, francois, president francois hollande is inside, meeting with victims, family, doctors, it has been a very difficult night for them, treating people. as you know, a lot of people were brought in with very serious injuries, and unfortunately could not be saved. it has been very difficult for the first responders as well. we are expecting him in addition to meeting with the victims to then make a speech afterwards, and to address the nation on this tragic event. >> all right, thank you very much. please let us know about the condition of the kids. the murderer who did this, the man with the gun and the truck, the fake explosives, what does he tell us about the threat and its evolution in france and beyond? we have cnn's international
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diplomatic editor, nic robertson, what is believed to be the home of this murder in nice. nick. >> reporter: yeah, chris, good morning. just behind me, there is a police line, so we can't get any closer to the apartment building at the moment, where this man is believed to have lived, but what there is going on beyond the police line is a forensic search by a police team. they have a small delivery truck there, with the hood up, the doors opened, and a forensic team looking through the vehicle. also, looking at the apartment that is immediately next door to it. at this stage, we cannot confirm this is the apartment where the attacker is believed to have lived. there are reports, some media here are reporting that he was a quiet person, a loner. that's not something we can say it. however, what we can say is that
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the police are here. they're investigating a vehicle that appears to be suspicious, and they're going in and out of the neighboring apartment. this is a neighborhood here about 10, 15 minutes drive from the promenade. it is the suburbs of nice, a river valley, the hills rise up from here. it is reasonably prosperous neighborhood. the stores are mostly closed, small stores. this one over here is a vegetable store. the store the police are going to at this moment is fully shuttered. we will bring you more details as we get them, chris. >> let us know. we do know already a lot about what happened. this is the third major attack in france in just the last 18 months. each has been very din in terms
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of planning and who were the murders involved. we keep coming back to france for very specific reasons. let's discuss with cnn senior inter national correspondent, pet peter bergan, france 24, melissa bell. clarissa, let me jump to one side issue, but an important detail that i don't think we've dealt with before. in the truck were found fake explosives, we're told by the authorities. fake weaponry. how do they make sense of that? >> yeah it is a puzzling one, chris. we don't have a lot of information about it yet. here is what i would just explain to our viewers, particularly in the.s. it is actually very difficult to buy the kind of heavy weaponry like rifles and certainly hand grenades here in europe. so it is possible, and this is just speculation here, he was using these fake rifles and fake
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grenades to carry out a hostage attack later on in the evening. it is possible there were more levels beyond just plowing that truck down the promenade behind me. but certainly, it is an unusual one. we haven't seen an attack like this before. what it might indicate is that perhaps this was an isis directed per se, but more isis inspired. perhaps it was more a lone wolf attack, he was watching the propaganda online and felt inspired by their message, and therefore, sort of cobbled together or improvised this attack. we have heard isis repeatedly calling on its supporters to improvise, use whatever you can get. you have knife, stab someone. you have car, run someone over. whatever you can get your hands on, use it to kill the infidels. >> melissa, you and i have spent a lot of time with you teaching me about the state of play in france. you told me after the state of
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emergency, when they started to do more sweeps, that officials there, investigators there, law enforcement there, overwhelmed with what they were finding in terms of weapons and connections to different cells and aspects of terrorism. what do you say in terms of why france keeping being a target? >> well, france has a huge number, chris. we've talked about this over the last few months together. a huge number of foreign theaters where it is currently deployed. they are theaters in north africa, where al qaeda is active. they are theaters of course in iraq and syria, where the islamic state group is more active, and all of these groups have france as their number one enemy. that's something that the head of france's interior intelligence services told the french parliament three weeks ago, as far as he is concerned, france for all those reasons is the number one target of jihad
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these days. the figures confirm that. you mentioned the three major attacks in the last 18 months, this being the third. every couple of months, we have smaller attacks as well, thinking of the murder a few weeks ago of policemen in a suburb of paris. a man who was beheaded. these are incidents that occur with regular tarry. in france, we are a country that has become accustomed to attacks on its soil. picking up on what clarissa said, a lone wolf attack from the islamic state group, specifically in september 2014 for muslims in france to take on targets with what are weapons they had at their disposal that would represent something new. we saw in january 2015 with the attacks, tackering linked to an al qaeda group, in arabian peninsula, we saw in the nova
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attacks, we covered together, chris, the islamic state orchestrating a very well planned attack on french soil. if this is a lone wolf carrying out a new kind of attack, that's something quite different, even if he has been inspired by the islamic state group. we've been saying throughout this morning, how do you prevent a man from renting a truck and plowing it into a crowd of people. i mentioned the head of the interior intelligence a few weeks ago, that's the other thing he told parliament, this kind of attack, a step up toward either cars, suicide car bombings, or cars being plowed into groups of people is something we could expect. >> peter, 2010 is when i saw the first guidance from the dhs, department of homeland security about look out for trucks. we understand why the u.s. isn't as vulnerable to isis attacks ar france because of geography as opposed to all the other
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features, but what just happened here, phil mudd said we should call them deranged sheep not lone wolves. this could happen here. what do you do? >> well, chris, i think this changes the calculation about what a lone terrorist, if he inde indeed is, and there seems to be no evidence he isn't. this is the most deadly attack in the west by a single terrorist, with 84 dead. the previously, the most deadly attack was a series of attacks in norway when 77 people were killed and we had the orlando attack a month ago here in the united states, in which 49 people were killed. but the fact that you can kill 84, at least with a truck, i think will change the way that people think about how we protect people at large crowded public events. because just like school shootings in this country, the perpetrators study other school
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shootings when they do their own. people are inclined to do these acts, study successful terrorist attacks, and think about the methodology going forward. >> also, this set of murders, you say the most in the west by a single killer, is in a deranged way, inspirational as success who want to do the same. thank you all very much for insight as always. so many people ran for their lives and most people didn't know what was happening when the chaos broke out. remember, this was in the middle of a fireworks celebration, their independence day. what they did know was to run for their lives. we'll speak to two of their survivors, straight ahead. d hav♪ the ford freedom sales event is on! and zero for 72 is back! on 2016 ford focus, fusion and escape.
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president francois hollande to come and speak after meeting with victims at a hospital here. we received reporting of the worst kind, hearing 84 people are dead, well over a dozen still fighting for their lives, and then the kids came up. we want to go to the hospital. we have atika shubert there. again, after the french president meets with people there, he'll address the world. atika, what is the latest? >> reporter: well, french
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president francois hollande is inside meeting with victims, their family and also the doctors that were up all night in these incredibly difficult conditions, treating these horrific injuries. a lot of the adults were brought here, children were also transferred to a specialized pediatric surgery unit to a different hospital. two children died overnight. 28 are still in hospital now, with critical injuries. the types of injuries we've been talking about, speaking to some of the hospital staff, these horrific catastrophic fractures, the kinds of things you would see in a horrible car accident. it really is traumatic to see these kinds of sceneses, and that's one of the reasons we've been seeing a psychological trauma unit helping people to deal with this kind of a horrible event. >> it is heart breaking. thank you so much. that's where the french president is, as soon as he
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comes out, we expect he'll address the nation, the world. we'll carry that for you live. let's talk about the survivors here, people who witnessed this, who experienced it, and what they're thinking now. joining us an american man who has lived in france, paul delane. paul, thank you for being with me. you and your partner were out with thousands of people, enjoying bastille day. take me back to the moment, what stands out to you? >> well, already just coming back to the place where it all happened, kind of touches me. it is unbelievable. it almost feels -- it almost feels unreal. we had just finished watching the show, and decided to go into the center of it all and go near
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the d.j. station and listen to the music, because it was on the way home. but we decided to stop and listen a little bit to the music, and just all of a sudden, you heard screaming, thousands of, it seemed like thousands of people running towards us. and if you didn't run with them, then you would have been just trampled yourself, so we just ran along, not knowing anything. not knowing what was even going on. but just, just trying to escape at the same time. i was thinking, well, maybe i shouldn't be running. maybe i should be looking for a place to hide, because we couldn't hear any bullet shots. the music was so loud that it was literally just screaming and running that we saw. so it was just mass confusion, and we both felt very afraid for our lives. >> you said that you and your
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partner, john pierre stopped and listened to the music. do you think that stopping and listening to the music and staying where you were at that moment saved your life? >> yes. because i had just -- i said to him after, imagine if -- because normally i don't like crowds, i don't like being in the middle of all of that kind of followy. i decided it was so festive, and i felt reasonably safe, so we did stop and listen for a while. i said afterwards, imagine if i wanted to leave and go immediately home. we could have been crossing the street, and could have been one of the victims. i would also like to say i'm sorry to france. i love you. and i wish you courage for the
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future and for all the families that were affected. god bless you. >> i remember so well, paul -- >> we are one of the lucky ones. >> you are. i remember so well-being in paris in november, when that city was so brutally attacked, and what stands out in my mind so much is the remarkable resilience of the french people, as they came out, even when the government said stay at home. we don't know if it is safe. everyone came out and bound together as best they could. this nation is so close to your heart. you've lived there for 25 years. this is the third attack in france in the last three months. the third major attack, claiming dozens and dozens of lives, each one. we asked the experts why france, but i want to ask you as a french citizen, why do you feel this is happening in your
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country? >> well, just like it is happening everywhere. there are people out there who don't even understand the relinl -- religion. they're haters, and the world is filled with a lot of them at the moment. the revolt ever where. people are unhappy. people are using the wrong excuses, the wrong reasons to express themselves, and certainly, the wrong way to express themselves by violence is not going to solve any problem. but i feel like in france, like you said, they're very, very solidare. we all stick together here, and when one of our brothers are hurt, we go by their side to comfort them. >> so what now? right, as you go home, and you and your partner and all of france tries to process what
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happened, there will be the political fights, there will be increased security. what now is a society, what now as a civilization? what is next for you as you continue to fight this on a personal level? >> what is next for me and what should be next for most people is to just carry on. we have to go on. we have no other choice but to go on. we cannot let this take over our lives. we cannot let this control our freedom. for me personally, of course, it is changed my life. i'm shocked, it is a memory i'll keep for the rest of my life, but at the same time, this is not going to stop me from living. and this is not going to stop me from doing what i want to do, and go what i want to do and support the people i want to support. >> one of the things that we've learned, paul, is how many
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children? how many children were attacked. we know 28 are in the hospital, fighting for their lives. we know at least two children died. did you witness any of the children and their families last night? what can you tell us? >> no, i honestly, i -- when it all happened, we started running, and we literally ran all the way home, which is up near the train station, a 15 minute walk, it took us five minutes to get there. it was such a shocked feeling and we were terrified. we were very afraid. so going back to see anything was really not on our agenda. we thought it would be safer to just go home and turn on the news, and to share my story.
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>> absolutely. paul delane, thank you so much for sharing your experience with us. it is hearbreaking, and traumatizing. thank you very much for being with us today in nice. >> thank you. we've gotten word that french president francois hollande has left the hospital. we believe he is going to the site of the attack. as soon as we hear him speak, we'll bring that to you, chris. no question of what just happened in nice is going to affect the state of play in the united states. certainly the awareness. security will be a big concern for next week's republican convention. what is the plan to keep delegates and protesters safe. they were making shifts before this. we're going to talk to the republican national committee chief strategist, next. i have asthma...
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it matters because it happened in france. it matters because we're all interconnected and because of what is going on here in the united states, specifically, the conventions that are upcoming. there had already been concern and security plans because what has been going on in the world.
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we know there was a $50 million grant to increase security at the republic national convention, so is that enough. we've got 50,000 people going there. will this situation mean changes. shawn spicer, chief strategist joins us now. good to see you, shawn, i'll be seeing you there in cleveland i'm sure. is what is going on in nice going to make a change? are you seeing what may be necessary? >> well, i think the one big difference is that this event, both the republican and democratic national conventions for the first time ever are national security events. they're designated by the federal government for being the secret service. they're coordinating with law enforcement entities to make sure this is the safest place on earth. people will come here and to
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philadelphia, and express themselves as they should and can, they're going to make sure it is the safest place on earth for everyone. >> let's talk about a different kind of expression that you were not -- what was going on in the rules committee. paul manafort said never trump is never more. he got it done. he joined the trump team originally, to pave the way to the convention. is that true? is never trump never more? >> oh, absolutely. look at what happened yesterday, despite the media hype, i've said for months now, it was a series of tweets and conference calls, nothing more. every measure failed yesterday. it was a handful of individuals that were trying to make trouble, but the will of the grassroots of the party came through. we continue to be united, continue to grow. we released an amazing group of people that will highlight not just the political ee elected officials, people who know mr.
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trump, people who can speak to broadening the party. it will be a fantastic convention, nothing that has ever been seen for either party. we're excited what will happen in cleveland. one other thing that will be interesting. it will be in sharp contrast what you see in philadelphia. philadelphia will be filled with the same old status quo, elected officials that have offered us the same failed strategies and policies. what we're going to offer is a different vision, a different way forward, a different set of excitesment that's never been seen at a political con vepgs before. >> while i don't question your conclusion about what happened with the rules committee, i want to ask you about your analysis. why are you putting it on us, or now specifically me? you know it wasn't just a few voices. you don't have a lot of -- >> no, no, no. >> speaking at the convention, a lot of the gop leadership types didn't want to go. there was a lot of talk about trying to stop trump. it wasn't the media generating it. >> again, nothing personal, chris. i'm saying we went to florida for the spring meeting and i heard over and over again, it is
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going to be crazy, all the media came in and covered it like it was a sbauper bowl. it ended in one day, every amendment went through. we finished up at 11:00 today, it was supposed to be a two day. it is finished. it wrapped up last night. for a long time, we at the party and at the trump campaign, it is confined to a small group of folks that had a personal agenda, and we've been right every single time. again, it is not personal with youment it you. the fact of the matter is, the trump campaign get asked have been proven to be false narratives. we wrapped up last night. we continue to unify. just because a bunch of politicians aren't going to speak at the convention, you look at who is going to speak, you have folks that were in
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benghazi, we've brought in more voters in this cycle than ever before. the problem is that there is this stale narrative about how things are supposed to go, and the problem is the republican party and donald trump continues to defy the narrative. >> three up or downs. is tim tebow in or out? >> out. >> oh, why? >> i would love to say -- we would love to him. don't get me wrong. there was speculation he might be coming. he has cleared it up. he is a phenomenal individual. he is very principled, people admire him both in athletes and in the evangelical movement. if he were able to come, someone would find a role for him. >> pence, governor of indiana, manafort said trump will be loyal, obviously for emotional reasons and sensitivities, he didn't want to make the
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announcement today. but then trump said i haven't made my final/final call. would you be willing to take a bet with me it is someone other than trump -- other than pence? >> i'm not -- it is kind of -- >> is it going to be pence? i know you're trying to duck the question, i'm trying to get away around it. >> you're doing a good job, as you always do. the fact of the matter is, this is donald trump's decision. he has three fine candidates, the finalists he has talked about, they're stalwart and that decision is his to make. >> pence is in new york, and at noon today, pence has to officially get in or get out of running for governor. so if there is no word, he could be boxed in. what is your thought on that? >> again, this is between governor pence and the other finalists, and mr. trump. we've got -- we've got a great
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convention to plan here in cleveland. that's where my focus is. i'll leave those up to the pro s -- presumptive nami. >> they're cutting me off. good luck out in cleveland. we've see you there soon. >> see you soon, chris. >> poppy. back to the terror attack in france overnight. terror weary france hit again. three major attacks in that country in the last 18 months, more than 200 people have been killed in those attacks. why. why is france such a prime target. next.
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hollande just visited police headquarters in nice, held a moment of silence there. this after he met with officials, and then went to the hospital as well to comfort the victims and their families. also, we'll have three-days of mourning in france, after this country mourns yet another terror attack. the rampage last night in nice
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on that promenade was the third major attack since last january. 200 people have died in these attacks. countless others injured. the question is why is france continually targeted. let's bring in the deputy mayor of paris, patrick klugman. it was just months ago we spoke after the wake of the attack in november. now we're speaking again. your country has been attacked again. our condolences to everyone there. what is your initial reaction to the attack? >> it is a strange day for us in paris. day following national day, independence day, and we've not been struck directly here in paris, but nice, and so it is like we've wondered ourselves, we have a strange feeling, whether the city looks like it is going on normally, i'm talking about paris, but
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everyone thinks about nice, what happened last night. and everyone is checking his friends, relatives there. nice from paris is like 500 miles away. so it's quite close, whereas more country, big country, but small country. so everyone knows someone who has been hit, family, relatives, colleagues. so there is a part of ourselves bleeding, and again, we were hurt and targeted, and attacked during a national day. which is a huge symbol. we are at war. we know it. we are targeted. there are reasons for that. we live in democracy. we live in democracy. we want to go on. we will go on. i mean, if it is the -- if it is a price to pay, we have to pay it, but at the end, this is a war we cannot lose. >> but how can you -- how can
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that be accepted? you say if this is the price to pay, would he have to pay it for leaving in a free democracy. france has escalated, it is in a state of emergency, been that way for months, giving you a lot of police authority and ability to take people under arrest, to conduct raids without a judge authorizing you to do so. you travelled to belgium after the attack in november and worked on the intelligent sharing that was lacking. what's going on here? why does it seem nothing is able to prevent these, when it appears one guy with one guy and one truck, and really, no tie to terrorism as they can find, at least not yet. >> well, first the way these attacks are operated is continuously moving. there is no -- there is not an attack similar to the other. from charlie hebdo to nice, it is very different. if we take 2012, it is also very
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different. we have to adapt. there was a commission at the parliament that revealed just last week that up to ten attacks were avoided in france during the last year. so there is a huge work of intelligence of arresting dangerous people, surveying people. so it is not like if we're waiting for the next attack to come up. we are really working hard in france, and all over europe. most of our friends around the world to connect, to share information, to share data, to share intelligence, but we are not going to stop being a democracy, standing on our valleys, becauva valu values. this will be giving the terrorist a victories. i would like to add something.
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>> yes. >> you know, i would like to add also that the french army is fighting isis in africa in the middle east also. so there is many reasons why we are in this situation. but we are fighting. we are standing, even though today, we are mourning. >> and the world is mourning with you. patrick klugman, the deputy mayor of paris. >> thank you so much. we are waiting to hear from the french president, francois hollande any moment. we know he visited with some of the victims in nice nearby where the terror attack happened and he is going to the site of these murders. around the world, when it happens, we will show you what the french president wants to tell the world about what happened. now, one of the concerns that's reverberating back here in the united states is, how do you stop what seems almost impossible to stop, some random diseased mind that decides to become a murderer in the name of a cause with a car and a gun.
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we're watching what's happening in nice right now. the french president, francois hollande has visited people injured there in the hospital. he is now going to the site of these murders. he is going to address the world. when he does, we'll bring it to you live. right now, we want to talk about concerns that the attack in nice reverberates back here to what's going on in the u.s.
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especially with our political conventions coming up. we have with us right now this question of how can we keep people safe. let's bring in cnn analyst, tom fuentes and daniel bongino. can you reasonably allay fears of what is all but impossible to stop? this is one guy, with or without diseased mind, with one gun, some fake stuff in the back of the truck, which doesn't make any sense, haven't seen that before. and a vehicle. how do you stop that? >> chris, you just answered your own question. how do you stop something that is almost impossible or frankly is impossible. if the person that wants to do something like this doesn't reach out to other people, doesn't get assistance from friends or try to recruit other people to shoot or make explosives or do an attack, then you're left with a situation where the fbi and the police departments that are members of the joint terrorism task force
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have to read the person's mind. that's the problem here. so if this individual in france did not use social media, you know, they'll know soon with the computers and cellphones whether he did or not, but if he didn't, they can't read minds either. especially when he didn't appear to have been connected to any terror network that they can see oh so far. they have a petty criminal. we don't know if it was so petty he didn't even go to prison, where he could have gotten recruited and radicalized as well. it is really impossible. >> is it true these conventions will be the safest in history because of the amount of time and coordination of different assets from the government? >> yeah, chris. i've worked conventions as a secret service agent, the lead coordinating agency. they're throwing the entire kitchen sink at this. i think what is complicating matters for the convention is this increasing use of small target tactical assaults by terrorists and some groups as we
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saw at the tragic dallas incident. combine that with social media and the coordination of mass protests, and yeah, it is going to be tough. but i'm confident. i've seen what the secret service does behind the scenes and they'll get the job done there. >> i'm with you with the confidence. i'm going there. i have a wife and i've got kids. cnn is committed to going. there are x factors. the biggest one, although we're talking about terror has nothing to do with terror, it is mental illness, like what we saw in orlando, the diseased mind grasps on to this radical idea or any kind of perverse tendency. you've got to take personal responsibility, but you know that winds up fighting the reality. if you're sick, you can't take personal responsibility it is about how you find people like that. how do we get better in your
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estimation as law enforcement at finding these kinds of people, and giving us the ability to get us treatment before they become murderers? >> i think tom hinted at it before, having been in law enforcement with the nypd. we used to have what is called an emotionally disturbed person and you have the ability right now to have someone committed if they are a danger to themselves or others. so i think it is really going to be a focus on local law enforcement, more training at that level, but chris, i really, i can't emphasize this enough. there is no federal answer to this. the federal government has no idea what's going on at the local level. this involves training, maybe some better recognition of symptoms there, but that's the only person that's going to solve this. it is not going to happen in washington, d.c. >> you only get 72 hours, even in new york city, then you get a hearing and the people get out. it is it you have to prove they're a danger to themselves or other. and let's be honest, tom, the
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overwhelming majority of mentally ill people aren't dangerous. do you share bonginno's opinion? >> i'm more worried about it, because you know, the ohio open carry law means you're going to see people, and some of the websites have already said for their protest groups, to show up and openly carry assault rifles on the streets of cleveland. my fear is that if you have people show up like that you could have another dallas, biker bar shootout one shot could lead to a massacre. >> god forbid we see anything like that again. tom, dan, thank you to you both. we are in breaking news coverage of what happened in nice, france. we're waiting on the french president to address the world with what is going on. we have a special edition of anderson cooper, right after this quick break. stay with cnn.
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good morning, welcome to our viewers in the united states and around the world. i'm anderson cooper. france, reeling from yet another terror attack. we want to warn you, some of the video is shocking and difficult to watch. a large fright truck became terrorist's latest weapon of choice. people run in all directions, many simply cannot get out of the way. 84 people now dead. at least 100 more injured. many of the dead, injured are children. the rampage stretched for a remarkable 1.3 miles. the beach area was packed with locals, all gathered for bastille day. the driver was shooting as


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