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the obama administration about what to do about all of this. some officials want to publicly call out the russians and others are concerned about escalating the situation, carol. >> evan perez reporting in washington, of course, we'll be keeping an eye on the situation in central italy. 73 people so far have died there in a major earthquake. thanks for joining me today. i'm carol costello. "at this hour" starts now. >> announcer: this is cnn breaking news. hello, everyone, i'm john berman, kate is off today. we begin with the breakingews. the very latest on the powerful earthquake that hit the heart of italy. the death toll now stands at 73. but that number is rising. it certainly appears worse than perhaps first thought. rescuers and residents digging through the ruins, some with their bare hands, looking for survivors. it was a 6.2 magnitude quake. it hit in a part of italy away from urban areas. hundreds of thousands felt the
violent shaking as far as 100 miles away in rome. one historic town now reduced to a pile of rubble. emergency crews are treating people wherever they can. the town hospital is badly damaged. patients have had to be moved out into the streets. we also have some dramatic video emerging today. it shows a rescuer trying to comfort a woman trapped under the rubble. >> you get a sense scenes like that are playing all over parts of italy today. cnn's frederik pleitgen joins us with the very late st. what are you seeing? >> it's one of those small towns
where everything you said holds true right here. i want to show you the scene of where i am right now. it is one of those very old ancient houses here. so many in the region than turned to rubble the moment the earthquake hit. i spoke to some folks who live here and they say there were two people in the house when this happened, many relayed to the folks who live in this town. they said for the first three hours they were digging through that rubble with their bare hands trying to get those people out. they said they managed to get one of them out. another one then had to get out later. when rescue crews finally arrived. that's the other big problem. the italians are moving in a lot of assets. which has been absolutely devastated. but the big problem is the heavy equipment, the bulldozers, the big saws they need to try to cut through things like stones and metal, it's difficult to get them into this area because the roads are so very narrow and many of them are also, now, littered with debris.
so very difficult at this point in time. the death toll right now stands at 73. the people here also say they believe it is going to rise. and just one other thing, this is a region of italy that, yes, it's not very densely populated, but this is the tourist season here. many people come from cities like rome, other large italian cities, because it's so hot here. it's nicer here in the mountains. so authorities believe there may have been many, many more people here than they originally thought. >> a lot of us hear 6.2 mag magnitude quake, that's bad. the death toll, though, it seeps to keep rising. the damage perhaps seems worse than previously thought. is this because the quake was shallow? or because some of these towns were built in precarious fashion? >> yes. i would say it's a mix of both of those factors. on the one hand, as you said, the earthquake was very shallow. it was right here in this area. this is literally the epicenter of where this happened. sometimes you have earthquakes that are less densely populated
areas. and a lot of aftershots will hit places and destroy them. this was right underneath one of these towns. the other thing is that many of these houses are so very old. if you look at then, many are just held together by bricks and mud. of course, a lot of those houses just simply turned to dust when this earthquake hit. there was one mayor of one of these towns that was so badly hit that was saying, look, our town doesn't exist anymore and there are people trapped underneath the rubble but of course you and i know and the authorities know very well from having dealt with emergencies like this in the past that this is the decisive hours right now. it's the first 72 hours after an earthquake like this hits that people can survive. if they're trapped under the rubble. if they've been in a house that's collapsed and by luck they manage to get into some sort of pocket inside. being now the authorities are trying to scramble, to reach those places. coming in here, we saw a lot of mobile operating clinics that they're setting up. we saw a lot of those bulldozers. we saw the army that's been
mobilized. of course the fire departments as well. they're moving a lot of assets into this area. but, again, very difficult to get into these little towns with these narrow roads, many of them expected. they are facing a lot of difficults as they have this race against the clock so close after this earthquake hit, john. >> all right, frederik pleitgen for us in italy. we keep getting updates and the damage does look worse than we thought. so thank you, fred. want to turn to politics now. a big donald trump rally set to start shortly in the big battleground state of florida. donald trump seems to have a new position on illegal immigration which seems like a big, big difference than what he campaigned on for more than a year. in addition to that there are new attacks from donald trump. he calls the chlinton foundatio the most corrupt enterprise in political history. this comes after a associated press report found that more than half of the nongovernment people who clinton met with as secretary of state gave money to the clinton foundation.
listen to what donald trump said about it last night. >> america can never elect a candidate who, like hillary clinton, did government favors for those giving her family and her foundation massive amounts of cash. >> all right, want to go to florida now, tampa, where we are going to see that donald trump rally in just a short bit. cnn political reporter sara murray is there. donald trump with a lot to say. >> absolutely, john, and donald trump has really been hammering hillary clinton over this notion of pay to play, essentially saying she used the state department to grant access to favors, to donors to the clinton foundation. take a listen to what her chief strategist had to say about that today. >> people give donations to this foundation because they believe in the work in this foundation. and to say that meeting with 84
people out of 3,000 people you've met with over the span of your tenure says something, you know, even inappropriate is going on i think is a completely flawed premise. that's the problem with the ap report. >> so that's how the clinton campaign is sort of explaining these donations. if you think donald trump is going to accept that explanation and stop tearing into hillary clinton over this, i wouldn't expect it. this is a very potent line of attack. the other story line we've seen is will he or won't he change his stance on immigration. this has been a cornerstone of his campaign and it's one of the things that really riles up a crowd. we have not seen him change his tone on the stump. he still makes these calls to build a wall. he still calls for extreme vetting for people coming to the united states. in media interviews, he's showing some inkiingles.
>> there certainly may be a softening. we're not looking to hurt people. we have some great people in this country. we have some great, great people in this country. but we're going to follow the laws of this country. >> any speck chanific changes - >> what people don't realize, we have very, very strong laws. >> now that is clearly a very different tone than what we've heard from donald trump over the last year than what we hear from him at these rallies. if he does make a shift to saying he's only going to focus on deporting people who have been convicted of crimes. that's a big shift. it's very close to president obama's policy. >> all right, sara murray for us in tampa, where donald trump is scheduled to speak shortly. keep us posted. want to drill down on this issue of immigration with a politician who's made it really the cornerstone of his career, congressman steve king, republican, from iowa, joins us now by phone.
i should say king was a big supporter of cruz during the primaries. thank you so much for being with us. when you hear donald trump say that he is open to the idea of softening his position when it comes to some of the 11 million undocumented immigrants in this country, when you hear softening, what exactly do you hear? >> well, couple that with the balance of what he said also. that we're going to follow the laws of this country and what people don't realize, that we have very, very strong laws. when you balance that together, i think what it says is that if people are anticipated that there would be a deportation corps that would be deployed across this country, that sof n softening means that's less likely. i'm one in favor of restoring our connections and relationship with all of our local law enforcement so they supplement the enforcement of immigration law as they're designed to do with either single law in this country. i think that's what he's talking
about. and he said too we have the police force out there. they know who people are. and let's work with local law enforcement. they didn't say it in this interview. but in these sanctuary cities and enforcing the law, that will keep us busy for a long time -- >> congressman -- >> even at an accelerated pace. i think that's what he's talking about. >> it was an answer to a question with do you favor changing law in a way that might accommodate people that contribute to society, had been law abiding, have kids here. would you be willing to change the law for them. to me, that reads, would you be willing to perhaps not try to remove them from the country. would you try to create some legal status for them staying here. would you be in favor of creating some legal status for people who, as the questioner was saying, con tribute to society. >> the answer would be there would be some softening. which i didn't quite hear they
would be willing to change the law. i would push back on that as a member of the immigration subcommittee and one who has taken the lead on the immigration issues for a long time. i think donald trump understands this. asked further on this, i think he would come back to this point, we have to restore the respect for the rule of law in america. and part of that is to enforce the laws that we have. if we fail to do that, then the result of that will be reward people for breaking the law which means erode the very position that's taken him to the nomination. >> even people who contribute to society and have been law abiding which was the way the question was asked. if you allow them to stay, would that be tantamount to amnesty? >> i would say yes. the reason is they're not law abiding in the first place. by crossing the border illegally, they're by definition criminals. he has said he wants to remove the criminals in this country. so i would say it would be
tantamount to amnesty to reward people that break the law. he also reinforced the statement those who overstay their visa have to go home -- >> so again -- >> -- respect for human dignity in this but enforcement for the law. >> -- as he puts it contributes to society, that would be opening the door to calling amn? >> i would interpret this statement to be perhaps less aggressive than people have anticipated. that's where i hope it stays. i will continue to, myself, advocate for enforcement of the laws we have. i think donald trump hasn't said anything that he would be inclined not to. i think it has to do with the pace and how aggressive he might want to be. >> that's a charitable reading i think of what donald trump has actually said. because he hasn't made it clear. and, remember, you of course were a big supporter of ted cruz during the primaries. i'm just curious what you would have said had donald trump used this language when you were working so hard to get ted cruz
elected or nominated for president. >> well, that's a good question. and theto tone of this campaign shifts along the way. i know ted cruz had strong positions. both of them had pretty much etched in stone they would be for restoring the respect for law along the way. i think still i have to -- of all of the things donald trump has said and his buoyancy to the nomination has relied upon, his commitment to enforce the law, build a wall, put the respect for the rule of law back in place again and make america for americans again. make america great again. you don't do that by eroding the rule of law. so i think there's much more out there. that says he's going to follow through on his commitments on immigration. and maybe, you know, jeff sessions being part of that team, as close as he is he's a good friend and he would help anchor this and i'll do my best
the law together. i'd say also we need to provide for the dignity of every human person. part of that is to say to them respect our laws. so that means they have to be enforced. >> if he did move off this position, though, you think it would be a mistake? >> oh, i think it would be a mistake if he moved off this position, yes. to soften the tone a little bit, i think that's fine. i think it's -- to the degree some of his critics have overstated his position he's taken. i would expect that softening this tone is something that may be part of this new campaign that -- and kellyanne conway, his new campaign manager is terrific, brilliant. it's an excellent choice to have her there as campaign manager. and some of this might be some of the tonal difference she's recommending to donald trump. i wouldn't disagree with kellyanne. >> thank you so much for being with us. appreciate it. >> thank you all very much.
>> all right. new attacks. donald trump blasting the clinton foundation as the most corrupt in political history but with 76 days to go, you think this line of attack will make a difference? plus, agonizing wait for help. survivors trapped beneath rubble of a powerful earthquake. we have new developments ahead. of a trip to athens, greece. you accidentally booked a flight to athens, georgia. with travelocity, there's no fee to cancel or rebook most flights
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whoo! i mean, whoo. more than 50% of the private citizens clinton met with were donors to the clinton foundation. >> i think it's a misrepresentation of the data. >> lie after lie after lie. >> we're going to have a deportation force. there certainly can be a softening because we're not looking to hurt people. >> there is no new donald trump, this is it. all right, donald trump says he is considering softening his
immigration proposal ans because he does not want to hurt people. he is also calling the clinton foundation the most corrupt enterprise in political history. after a new report from the associated report that when they looked at a calendar, more than half of the appointments secretary clinton had with private individuals came with people who donated to the clinton foundation. here to discuss that with us, aub d andre bauer, donald trump supporter. also here, nera tanden, hillary clinton supporter. allison stewart, cnn political reporter and former communications director for senator cruz. when clinton was being confirmed as secretary of state, she knew there would be perception problems with the clinton foundation. she faced a lot of questions from richard lugar among other people at the time. she said the foundation and the president-elect, that being president obama, decided to go beyond what the law and the ethics rules call for to address
even the appearance of conflict. to address even the appearance. so at a minimum when you read the ap account from her calendar, you know, her private appointments, more than half were with foundation donors. does that meet or doesn't that meet the admittedly low bar of even the appearance of conflict? >> it absolutely doesn't. i mean, look ten list the ap is looking at. melinda gates. who's a global philanthropist and has invested millions of dollars in helping women and girls in africa. john kerry has met with melinda gates. i'm sure many republicans have met with melinda gates. i think the ap story is truly unfortunate because it's just mischaracterizes the work hillary is doing as secretary of state and the kind of work the foundation was doing and the people she's meeting. muhammad yunis, a person who has
won a nobel peace prize for the work he's doing, the ap is counting. i think that's ridiculous. these are people she would normally meet as secretary of state. and the ap is really trying to distort that image by calling them clinton donors. melinda gates -- >> no, but they are. sorry, you're bringing up melinda gates, muhammad yunis. but they're -- >> absolutely, and that's why she met with them -- >> hold on, they are all donors to the clinton foundation. the ap's not misrepresenting that, are they? >> no, but obviously the reason she met them was probably because of the work they'd done. muhammad yunis? he's met with numerous secretaries of state. in the united states and around the world. why characterize him as clinton donors? what they are is people the secretary of state should meet with. the challenge around this whole debate around the clinton foundation is a lot of mischaracterization.
the polls -- donald trump is obviously far behind in the polls and that's why he's attacking on this range of issues. he's essentially at the end of the day essentially attacking a foundation that provided 11 million people in africa life-saving medication, aids medication. it's done a range of great work in the world. that's why i think it's unfortunate you're seeing partisan attacks. >> it is not just donald trump doing it. there have been questions about the clinton foundation, pass cross over fuzzy lines, again, dating back to when hillary clinton was confirmed. address what you want but also address what nera was saying, what is wrong with meeting with gates or yunis? >> i'm sure it kills her and other hillary supporters to not be able to write this off as vast right wing conspiracy. this is the associated press. a straight down the road news organizations that is shining a light on clearly pay for play
activity that's going between the state department and the clinton foundation -- >> absolutely not -- >> when we had half of the people she met outside of got donated up to $156 million -- >> it's not half the people. >> i just moved here from arkansas. the hometown paper even said the clintons have been getting away with these ethical short cuts for years. and clearly states that the lower she sinks, the higher she rises in the esteem of her fans and those who benefit from her largess -- >> what hometown paper is that, "the new york post"? >> the arkansas democrat gazette who have covered the clintons for many years, who understand this is the type of activity they've been getting away with for years -- >> okay, alice, so the ap doesn't say pay to play. >> yes, it does not. >> -- it lays out part of the calendar. >> just part of the calendar. >> again, of the bright meetings. of the private meetings. of the private meetings, more than half were clinton donors.
that's what the ap says right there. so just be clear about what it says. andre, i want you to jump in here, though, and about that, about the limitations of what the ap report here is. it's not the majority of her meetings as secretary of state. it was the majority of her meetings with private folks. you could meet the case she's meeting with people she's known for a long time. she knows people who donate to the foundation. is there a -- any evidence of illegal galt there? >> look, it wasn't just turned over to the ap. they had to sue. it took them three years to get this information. it's not like it's just open for everybody to see. it just shows how crooked government is and it shows why there's such distrust. you know, look, people want to know who the secretary of state's meeting with. and cleearly it's okay for the secretary of state to meet with all these folks. >> gates? >> absolutely. but any of these folks. there's no debate on that. there's no debate the clinton foundation does wonderful things. the question is, is there pay to
play. did she only open doors to certain people who gave money? i think the king of bahrain couldn't get a meeting but as the king of cash as a donor he could get a meeting. there's a problem there. the ap this isn't breitbart, this is the ap. has just pointed out. who's about as far as it gets. that says, hey, wait a minute, we've studied this and it's wrong and they knew this was going to be a problem when she first took office -- >> the ap didn't say it was wrong, they just said they studied it and published the facts -- >> oh, miy god, first of all, o pay to play, this is a ridiculous charge. because the clintons did not receive any money from the foundation. they set up this foundation to do good work in the world. so it's ridiculous charge. and the idea that any trump supporter -- i'm a big fan of andre's on many levels. the idea they're talking about transparency or pay to play when he would not even release his tax returns. he would not tell people any aspect of his financial
dealings. and we just learned that he jacked up the prices of his rent that he could benefit from of trump towers that he could benefit from to soak his donors during this campaign. so i think i have to say this is a ridiculous double standard and i hope people see through it. >> i want to talk about transparency when it comes to donald trump coming up in a little bit. i want to focus on transparency when it comes to his policies right now. his immigration policy which has been the cornerstone of his campaign for like 15, 16 months right now. up until last week, it was a certainty that donald trump said he wanted to deport the 11 million undocumented immigrants in this country. he wanted them to go. he made that crystal clear. now, it's not as crystal clear. now he admitted last night he might be willing to soften his position on the presence of some of those who contributed to society. do you see this as a shift? if so, why? >> clearly, it is a shift.
based on what we're hearing. we don't know what he's going to say but all indications are he is softening his position on this. the difficulty is, as you indicated throughout the entire primary process, he was very hard on immigration. this was the cornerstone and focus of his campaign. he prided himself on bringing this to the conversation, saying he's going to build a wall, mexico will pay for it. and now what we're seeing is he's softening on that. look, we've said all along, since he won the primary, he has to broaden his electorate to bring in more people in order to win the general which is exactly what he needs to do. if he's going to tweak immigration, which is a key point of his campaign, he has to do it in a way that doesn't alienate a space and infuriate those who voted for him on this issue, but also take into account the needs and concerns of hispanics and others who want to see a more softened tone on immigration. that's going to be the challenge. and what he has to do when he's rolling out his new proposals for immigration. >> andre, can you tell me
definitively as we sit here right now whether donald trump supports some kind of legal status for some, even a small number, of the 11 million undocumented immigrants who are in this country now? >> my understanding is, look -- >> so yes, he is for legal status? >> yes. >> for whom exactly? >> i thing it gets caught in the weeds but i think the big picture is, look we know donald trump wants to build a wall. both are for some sort of legalized immigration. i think she's against the wall. he's for the wall. she's for letting more syrian refugees in that are unvetted. and he's against that. there are differences. look, i think the great thing about donald trump is he's saying i don't have all the answers. he's surrounding himself by people like kellyanne conway who are so sharp. part of being a leader is listening, garnering facts and saying we may have to tweak policy for the greater good and adapting and the logistics of making it work. can't do everything i wanted bud here are some things really important to me.
>> nera, last word, it seep se donald trump is moving closer to the position of the president. >> i find it interesting that conservatives would find it reasonable for donald trump to try to have an entire bait and switch in this, you know, he made promises to primary voters. that's really where he stands. he attacked other republicans for supporting quote/unquote amnesty and andre just told us he would support a similar proposal. donald trump said it for 13 months. i think for voters, who do you think the real donald trump is, the person who's been speaking for 13 months in this campaign or the person who, 70 days before an election, is losing and losing badly, and now tells people what they want to hear? that is the worst kind of politics. i wish conservative commentators would call him on it. >> all right, nera, aub dndre b,
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all right, we do have some breaking news out of afghanistan and kabul. a possible explosion at the american university in afghanistan. an explosion and then reports now of gunfire. this is an ongoing situation there. let me tell you about the american university in kabul in afghanistan. about 1,700 students. our understanding, school is back in session. a university founded in 2004. began doing classes in 2006. about a five-acre campus there. again, the title is the american university, afghanistan. so you can understand now perhaps to some american university in afghanistan might be a target. we're trying to get more information about what is exactly going on there right now. it is ongoing. we were trying to reach someone on the phone. we'll bring you the very latest when that comes in. politics now, give you a sense of where the race is for president. brand-new polls do show some trouble for donald trump. missouri, which the state won by
republicans the last four presidential races and which mitt romney won by a lot in 2012, in a dead heat there. virginia, seen as a swing state, no so swingy right now. the latest poll out of virginia shows hillary clinton up by 19 points. joining me now is a senior adviser to the trump campaign, those are polls which show donald trump trailing. i know reince priebus, the chairman of the republican national committee, said yesterday he thinks by labor day or maybe a little past the polls will be tied or maybe donald trump leading. how? >> well, i think the exact way we've seen him moving up over the last couple of days. every time you have a contrast between donald trump and hillary clinton like we've seen over last two weeks, donald trump is moving up. hillary clinton has had a bad couple of weeks. donald trump has had a really good couple of weeks. people are sick and tired of the scandal and corruption that follows hillary clinton. and the more and more that comes
to light, the more and more donald trump is moving up. i think when you look at the biggest issues that americans care about, the economy and national security, they trust donald trump every time on those two issues. when we get to the ballots in november and people are voting on the economy and national security, donald trump is going to beat hillary clinton. i think you're going to see a lot of of that contrast and that first debate. i think donald trump is going to put hillary clinton in a tough position. she is not nearly as prepared i don't think she probably feels like she is for that first debate. >> so i talked to you yesterday. i had the honor of talking to you twice in 24 hours. which is wonderful. we talked a lot about the clint foundation yesterday. i know you have concerns about the clinton's foundation's relationship with the state department. in the issue of transparency here, because you talk about pay to play and conflicts of interests. do we know how a president donald trump would handle the transparency and handle the division between his business empire and the white house should he get elected?
i mean, he said he's going to turn his company, all of the companies, over to his kids. is that a solid enough line there? how do you prevent conflict of interest? >> look, i think donald trump's one of the most transparent presidential candidates we've ever had. he's not afraid to face the american people. he's not afraid to face the press help does more interviews and sits down with the press and also with people from all over the country day after day -- >> but the question is -- >> it's almost an entire year since hillary clinton has set down for those same type of questions -- >> we would love to see a press conference with hillary clinton, but my question right now is this, if, if you are concerned that people who donate to the clinton foundation could have influence on the state department, how will a president donald trump prevent people who are doing business with the huge trump corporation from having an influence on the white house? how will he draw those clear lines? we don't know. >> well, i think donald trump has been very successful without having to do that. he's never done that in the past. there's no reason to believe he would. the clintons on the other
hand -- >> done what though? done what exactly? because i'm talking about the future here. he is a very big businessman with a multibillion dollar business. he's going to turn the business over to his kids, right? so how do we know that people who did business with his kids won't be doing business with his kids to influence a trump white house? >> well, i think that history does have something to say about this. just because he hasn't been president, he has been in business for a very long time. and he's never had any pay to play type of scandal. on the other hand, you have a serious pattern of problems with the clintons, with corruption, following them back from their early days in arkansas to where they are now. they're the only people in america i know that have gotten away with as much as they have. i mean -- >> but, sarah, i don't know first of all as a business person how you can have a pay to play scandal. we know as a political donor, donald trump himself has said he
spread money around because he wants to have access to politicians in the past. that's one of the reasons he's given money. so he certainly knows a little bit about how the process works. i'm just wondering if the campaign thinks they need to make clear now how they will draw these firm solid lines between a trump white house and a trump corporation. >> and i think that they certainly could draw those lines. i think the problem is the clinton s never did. i don't know if we're talking about a hypothetical when we have a real-life situation where there was an alleged line drawn and it was crossed over and over and over again. i mean, you have the ap who is hardly a right-leaning news source, that tell us that 50% of the people that hillary clinton met with outside of government were donors to the clinton foundation. that is an absurdly high amount of people and quite the coincidence. i don't think there's a reason to sit here and spend so much time talking about hypotheticals when we should talk about the
actual scandal that took place. it's the reason why donald trump and other senior republicans are calling for a special prosecutor to take a look into this. there's so much evidence here that to ignore it is just simply malpractice. >> we haven't ignored the issues of the clinton foundation. we talked about it yesterday. again, i was just trying to figure out lines that would exist going forward in the interest of transparency, in the interest of keeping the voters informed. sarah huckabee sanders, it is also a pleasure to talk to you, thank you. we do have breaking news to tell you about. reports a possible explosion and gunfire around the american university of afghanistan in kabul. we'll have details ahead. she spent summer binge-watching. soon, she'll be binge-studying. now she writes mostly in emoji. soon, she'll type the best essays in the entire 8th grade. today, the only spanish words he knows are burrito and enchilada. soon, he'll take notes en espanol.
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all right, breaking news from afghanistan right now in kabul. a possible explosion at the american university of afghanistan. joined now by senior international correspondent. hopefully we have more details. we heard about an explosion and gunfire. what else are we learning? >> this is an ongoing standoff. it appears to be there are also hostages inside the building. an associated press photographer has been tweeting out desperate pleas for help. he's saying there are women here, they're crying. please someone come in and get us. what makes the situation even more upsetting for those trapped inside is this is the second assault on the american university in kabul. just within this month. and australian and american faculty member were kidnapped at the beginning of august, on august 7th. that is still unresolved. you can't help but thing even though at this point the
assailants are unidentified, that when you attack the american university in afghanistan, that you are clearly seeking to attack the symbolism of what that represents. this was supposed to be a lasting legacy for america in afghanistan and it also is one of the few places, john, that can still attract foreign faculty members. it is ongoing and it is a deeply upsetting situation for those caught inside. >> yes, some 1,700 students there associated with it. opened its doors in 2006. about a five-acre campus there, nima. you're hearing reports from people on the ground of an ongoing hostage situation? >> there are definitely people trapped inside and they are speaking about themselves as hostages. what this is the intent of the a assaila assailants, we still don't know. that's how it's being characterized by those attempting to survive it. >> there was a u.s. service man
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hillary clinton speaks in reno, nevada tomorrow. the topic you might be shocked to learn is donald trump. the alt-right brand is embracing extremism and presenting a division and dystopian view of american which should -- whoever this election is about between now and november loses. so when this election is more about loses, whoever talks about
more, loses. is that why hillary clinton is speaking tomorrow. and i use that term, alt-right, without explaining. >> sure, alt-right came out of the '08 campaign when it was said it was a neoestablishment. some of the major themes being nationali nationalism. some ethnic or racial nationalism where the scene is really ugly. breitbart under bannon has been a real champion of the alt-right. a real magnet for those readers. that's where the connection comes in and that's why hillary clinton will hit this hard tomorrow. >> it is interesting. hillary clinton giving a speech about donald trump and race at a time when donald trump started talking about race a lot more during his campaign.
we have more from last night where he talks about it again. let's listen. >> i say this to the african-american community, give donald trump a chance. we will turn it around. we will make your streets safe so when you walk down the street, you don't get shot. >> now, i know because i watch you on tv a lot, that you don't like the way that donald trump is addressing minority voters right now. but the fact that hillary clinton is responding to it tomorrow, does that show some kind of concern on behalf of the clinton campaign? >> no. in fact, i have to address two things. one, you actually give donald trump way too much credit when you say he is addressing race. no, donald trump is actually not. i think he is making these appeals to soothe the white people who believe he is intolerant. and even the way rand paul and cory booker have, donald trump is not talking about poverty the way ryan and scott have.
number two the alt right movement and john after lon defined it so el kwaptly. but today if you good on-line you see it embraces this white nationalism which is very dangerous. breitbart has become this website and steve bannon now ceo of the donald trump campaign where racism is not evenly there but it flourishes, it grows. it is a dangerous narrative for someone who is running behind the president of the united states and in nevada where the state is so diverse it is a good message to be had. >> john phillips, you want to respond to this. do you think there is a connection between the alt-right movement and donald trump and do you think he is vulnerable there? >> right around the time that donald trump is moderating his rhetoric, she has decided to paint him as a john archer and the public is reminded she is born without the ethics. and what you said in the intro is correct. she is trying to turn this campaign into a referendum on
donald trump. over the last month very successful at doing that. this week the narrative changed and we are now talking about her and clinton foundation and e-mails and lack of drawing a wall between the state department and clinton foundation and she is doing whatever she can to knock that off the front page. >> couple things that came up, talking to sarah huckabee sanders and i was asking, you are talking about john phillips between the state department and what about the line between the trump family business and potential trump white house. and kids who are central to donald trump's political campaign are running the business, john avalon, doesn't it leave it to foreign actors, anyone doing business with the trump kids? >> sure. two key differences. one this is for profit, not nonprofit. and obviously trump organization has a lot of foreign money. there are a lot of questions around the business connections.
the for profit part takes the pe tina of charity off of it. the biggest difference is that's a hypothetical and hillary clinton's campaign has come under justified scrutiny because as secretary of state there weren't the kind of sort of absolute firewall separation there should have been. if we want to get into the alternative future of a president trump and his complicated relationships with money and foreign powers, good god, that would get weird quick. >> all right. i have time for yes or no answers. literally nothing more. do you think donald trump is you sports some kind of legal status for some undocumented immigrants in the united states? yes or no? >> it's complicated. >> bhakkarry sellers, do you think he supports it, yes or no? >> shoulder shrug. all i got. i don't know. >> that says something in and of itself. thanks so much for being here, guys. appreciate it. thank you all so much for joining us at this hour.
a lot of breaking news out of italy and now an ongoing situation in afghanistan. this is cnn breaking news. >> hello, everyone. welcome to "legal view." we are following this breaking news out of afghanistan. reports of an explosion and heavy gunfire heard coming from the american university in kabul. i want to get straight to cnn international correspondent standing by live and also with us cnn media correspondent who is following what journalists there are seeing and saying along with cnn military analyst retired colonel francona. and cnn analyst tom fuentes who will join us on the tactical effort. tell us what is happening at this school and what circumstances are right now. >> as we understand ,