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thanks for joining us for the second hour of "360." if you thought you heard it all in this election, one candidate says vladimir putin is more of a leader than the sitting president of the united states. the head of the rnc is criticizing the first woman nominated by a major party because he thinks she didn't smile enough last night. there are still two months to go. the first debate just a few weeks away. we have reports from both camps. sara murray joins us now. trump spent a lot of today explaining what he said in the forum last night. >> reporter: that's right. he did go after hillary clinton.
he took another opportunity to take a couple shots at her for her use of a private e-mail server but he launched into a very lengthy defense today of his view of the war in iraq. he again restated that he was opposed to the war before it began and this went on for quite awhile. i want to play just a portion of it for you. >> before the war, much closer to the war, i gave statements that we shouldn't go in and shortly thereafter, immediately thereafter, and honestly, a lot of reporters said hey, right at the beginning, he made this statement. that statement was a very major story in "esquire" magazine. so i just wanted to set the record straight. there's so much lying going on. and hillary clinton lied last night about numerous things, including her e-mail but she also lied about this. >> reporter: now, trump has made a habit of making this claim but in reality, there's no public evidence that he opposed the war in iraq before it began. in fact, the earliest public comments we have seen from him are 2002 on howard stern when he
was asked whether he supported the war and he said yeah, i guess so. we even saw "esquire" put out an editor's note. they pointed to this story in 2004 in which donald trump was very critical of the war in iraq but in the editor's note they point out this story published more than a year after the war began, nullifying trump's timeline. it was very clear the editors were very annoyed to see donald trump holding something like this up as evidence that he opposed the war in iraq before it began, when there is really no proof of that. >> cory lewandowski and the trump campaign also point to an interview he gave with neil cavuto they say before the war in january i think of 2003. the war began in march. even in that interview, trump said well, perhaps we shouldn't go in, perhaps we should, he's not definitively saying one way or the other which is something he had said although in passing on the howard stern show before the war. so trump's reading from that "esquire" interview, he cited a section about osama bin laden. what did he say?
>> reporter: well, this is particularly interesting because of the timing. of course as you know, we are coming up on the 15th anniversary of 9/11 and as he was citing this, there's a portion of the article in which he says that if he had been president, he would have caught osama bin laden much faster, that the 9/11 attacks on the world trade center never would have happened. so an interesting comment to sort of reiterate in light of how close that anniversary is and also in light of the fact that both candidates have sort of agreed not to make sunday a political day and both of them have said they will not be on the campaign trail. >> thanks very much. hillary clinton a short time ago spoke about her faith at the national baptist convention in kansas city, missouri. earlier in the day she slammed trump for his statements last night, saying he treats everything like a game, like he's living in his own celebrity reality tv program. joe johns is here with the latest from the clinton campaign. secretary clinton spent a lot of time today expanding on what she said during the forum last night. >> right. it's clear they were not happy with what has been described as
the rushed feeling of the forum. they say the candidate was asked in-depth questions, not given enough time to answer. campaign said there needed to be more follow-up questions to donald trump that didn't get asked. even sending out a fund-raising letter talking about the fact-checking in the forum, suggesting they need more money to fact check donald trump. today, the campaign felt it needed to get hillary clinton out there talking in front of the cameras because trump had the last word at the forum, hence the tarmac news conference. hillary clinton also at one point revising an answer she gave during the forum when she said we're not putting ground troops into iraq or syria ever again. today, she said putting ground troops in would not be in the best interests in the fight against isis and the other terrorist groups. that's a much more nuanced statement. >> she also did spend part of the day taking on donald trump. >> right. she ripped into donald trump for praising vladimir putin while criticizing the american president. she called trump unpatriotic, insulting, scary, and said it
suggests trump would let putin do whatever he wants to do, then making excuses for him. she also attacked trump for quote, trash talking america's generals. i think what's important to point out here is despite how tight the overall race is, polls have also suggested donald trump leads hillary clinton by a significant margin among former or active duty military voters. so that's an area where she needs to make up some ground as you pointed out earlier, because we are approaching the anniversary of 9/11 and it's on a lot of people's minds. >> joe, thanks for the reporting. clinton also said today trump is unfit, totally unqualified to be commander in chief after he trash talked american generals. that was her characterization, by the way, of what trump said. here's a sampling of what he had to say about the military. >> i think under the leadership of barack obama and hillary clinton, the generals have been reduced to rubble. they have been reduced to a point where it's embarrassing for our country. we defeat somebody, then we don't know what we're doing
after that. we lose it. like as an example, you look at iraq, what happened, how badly that was handled. if we're going to get out, take the oil. if we would have taken the oil, you wouldn't have isis because isis formed with the power and the wealth of that oil. >> you have already said you know more about isis than those generals do. >> they would probably be different generals, to be honest with you. we also have to make america strong again. right now we are not strong. believe me. we have a depleted military. >> joining me is trump supporter, retired navy rear admiral charles williams and cnn military analyst, retired army general mark hertling. admiral williams, when donald trump says take iraq's oil, take the oil, he's talked early on about sending in u.s. oil companies to take the oil, surround those oil fields with troops, and he's quoted the idea to the victor goes the spoils, from a military, a diplomatic, strategic standpoint, does that make sense to you to take the oil of a sovereign nation?
>> well, what i think he is saying is as we did in world war i, we did in world war ii, there's a conference of nations who have been engaged in a fight and they sit down and they work out reparations, war reparations. it's cost this country a lot of money to wage that war and to liberate iraqis from saddam hussein. i think that's what he's referring to, is there needs to be some kind of war reparation. we may have to go back in again to get rid of isis. >> he's never actually said war reparations. he said take the oil. to the victor goes the spoils. is that a philosophy that should govern the u.s. military, the use of the u.s. military? >> there may be some geneva convention rules, united nation rules, i don't know for sure. my take-away when he said that is he's talking really about getting some money back for the united states. if it comes through oil, maybe the oil is shipped, there's revenue generated, we get part of that revenue.
i'm not sure how it would be worked out. i think it's a war reparation i think is what he's talking about. >> general hertling, he has been very specific about taking the oil, about chevron, other u.s. oil companies -- >> yeah. let me jump on to it. i'm chomping at the bit here. it is a geneva convention violation. it violates two articles of the geneva convention. it would be a war crime. you leave, when you attack a foreign nation and occupy it, you may take reparation but you leave the nation at its status quo. you don't steal its natural resources. that's number one. number two, i heard what donald trump said. it went on a long list of things that i have heard him say on other subjects and what's interesting is for a guy who claims to be so outspoken and not politically correct in speaking the truth all day, i have heard multiple surrogates of donald trump explaining what he meant when he said i want to take the oil.
this isn't an interpretive game. he's got to state what he means. communication is a key element of a leader and he's failing miserably in this regard. >> in fact, in the past, when i have asked him well, won't the rest of iraq, who are by the way our allies, won't they be upset that we are taking their oil, his response has been there is no iraq, there are no iraqis. that is not really a real country. do you buy that as well? >> i would still go back to if there was a conference of nations who have been engaged in this fight, work out a solution, and if the iraqi people, the iraqi government would agree to it, then i think you can do whatever that agreement is. if it means taking -- when people say taking oil, i'm not sure exactly what they mean. >> what he's saying specifically is chevron, other u.s. oil companies, go in to the oil fields, have those oil fields surrounded by u.s. forces, that
would be the u.s. forces on the ground, and take the oil. and give that money to wounded veterans here in the united states. >> have you heard donald trump -- i have not heard him talk about an oil company, chevron -- >> he said it to me. >> he has. >> he said it to me multiple times. >> that shell or -- >> multiple times. >> chevron. >> the guy you're supporting. >> what, general? >> like so many other people, i would suggest the admiral investigate and analyze the guy they're supporting. see the things that he said and then make judgments based on that. the guy continues to say these kind of things which institute war crimes, war crimes. unethical, immoral, illegal behavior. >> general hertling, just to be clear, you are saying this as somebody who served in northern iraq. if the idea of trying to convince the iraqis that we should get reparations which is something that was discussed early on, certainly, in the war, is saying to them you're not a
real country, you don't really exist, is that a wise thing for a u.s. president to say? >> i don't believe so. in fact, that's exactly the opposite of what we're trying to do in iraq. we are trying to help them get a government that represents the 19 million people that live there, the shia, the sunnis, the kurds, the ottomans, it is a very disparate nation. they certainly have challenges but they are trying to put together a government that will in fact represent their people and they actually need some much their natural resources to help them pay for some of the things like security forces, sewage, water, electricity, and oil is their biggest product. so taking their oil would actually run counter to what we're trying to do and establish a government that would support the people of iraq. >> i did not hear anybody say take 100% of the oil, leave iraq with no oil. when you asked me to come on today, there was a meeting yesterday that matt lauer hosted
or conducted and i listened to that earlier today. i didn't hear anything in that interview about chevron coming in and running the oil tankers. >> i can tell you in multiple interviews with me, he has said that from early on in the primary season and he continues to say take the oil. but when you hear donald trump say that america's generals have been reduced to rubble, admiral, did that give you pause at all or do you agree that that is the case? >> when i made flag, chief naval operations for all the admirals that were recently promoted, he did a test called meyers and they looked at different personalities. one of them was risk. he was very concerned because he found all the new flags were risk-averse. they got a very low grade on risk. he said we can't have this. you have got to be on the pointy end of the spear, you have to be aggressive, you got to push the envelope. he was very concerned about that. i think donald trump is concerned about that. anybody who is at command knows
when your boss loses confidence in you, you get relieved, you get fired. so if donald trump finds people he doesn't have confidence in, i think he will make a change. i think that's appropriate. >> general, that idea that america's generals have been reduced to rubble, what do you think of it? >> i totally disagree, anderson, and what might be interesting is to ask mr. trump to name a single active duty general that's serving, or admiral that's serving right now. i would bet a month's pay that he couldn't do it right now. the issue is he doesn't know the generals. he's surrounded himself with a coterie of retired people who are telling him some things. truthfully, the cohorts i have been serving with, i retired three years ago but the men and women i have served with are extremely capable. they are not risk-averse. in fact, they have been in combat for the last 14 years and have learned how to mitigate risk to give themselves a best advantage. we are challenged with the environment right now. we are dealing with a terrorist fight which is a much more
complex and difficult fight than america has ever fought before. but i would suggest the leadership of america's armed forces is in very good hands right now in all elements of the service. i would agree, if a commander of defense finds someone who has done something wrong, they should relieve them bithat's not the case. some generals have been asked to retire early, were relieved of their positions because they weren't living up or violating standards but for the most part, the several hundred generals and admirals that are serving in the nation's military today, serving the 1% of the american population that are wearing the cloth of the country are pretty damned good. >> admiral williams, i would think given the fact we have been at war now for more than a decade, there's a whole class of officers and generals who have been facing risk every single day of their service.
so to say that they are risk-averse, do you think you can really be risk-averse given that we have had now ongoing wars in iraq and afghanistan for so long? >> well, that's what the test showed, they had results and briefed the flag officers. >> when was that? >> that was around 2001. >> okay. >> the other thing i would point out, anderson, there was a four-star general and command back then, he was a marine, and i remember he complained about congress and he said i need this, i need these resources, this equipment, i can't get it. i said did you ever put those four stars on the table and say if you can't give me what i need or don't believe in me, then you should get somebody else. his answer to me was look, let me explain it to you. there's a lot of political correctness. the one stars want to be two stars, the two stars want to be three stars, three stars want to be four stars and the four stars went to be chairman of the joint chiefs. so there was a political
correctness to be not too far out there, to be risk-averse. i think it exists. >> admiral williams, appreciate you being on. general hertling as well, thank you. coming up, donald trump doubling down on his comment about sexual assault in the military which is basically what do you expect when you put men and women together. that was a tweet he sent out. obviously that comment drawing criticism. we talk about that next. also a third party meltdown. incredibly cringe-worthy moment from the libertarian candidate. also a warrant out for the green party candidate to be arrested. energy is a complex challenge. people want power. and power plants account for more than a third of energy-related carbon emissions. the challenge is to capture the emissions before they're released into the atmosphere. exxonmobil is a leader in carbon capture. our team is working to make this technology better, more affordable so it can reduce emissions around the world. that's what we're working on right now. ♪ energy lives here.
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>> in 2013, on this subject, you tweeted this. quote, 26,000 unreported sexual assaults in the military. only 238 convictions. what did these geniuses expect
when they put men and women together? >> well, it is a correct tweet. there are many people that think that that's absolutely correct. we need to have -- >> you're saying this should be expected and the only way to fix it is to take women out of the military? >> by the way, since then it's gotten worse. no, not to kick them out but something has to happen. right now part of the problem is nobody gets prosecuted. you have reported and the gentleman can tell you, you have the report of rape and nobody gets prosecuted. there are no consequence. when you have somebody that does something so evil, so bad as that, there has to be consequence for that person. you have to go after that person. right now, nobody's doing anything. look at the small number of results. i mean, that's part of the problem. >> joining me are cnn political commentator, amanda carpenter -- not a trump supporter. trump supporter kayleigh mcinany and christine quinn.
i saw the tweet you sent out. you said trump quote, seems indifferent to sexual assault in the military. why is that what you took away? >> he's saying what did you geniuses expect, it sounds like he's saying rape happens, deal with it. for someone who is auditioning to be commander in chief, to tell women that you should
accept a certain amount of risk of rape as a condition of military service, that's demoralizing. that is a bad signal for a commander in chief to send. >> kayleigh, is that what you took away? >> no. i took away the exact opposite. in fact, he sent out that tweet in 2013, that's before he was at all in the public light and what he said was his real concern, that just 1% of folks who have been sexually assaulted or those cases are prosecuted. they are either not reporting it or it's getting to the point of being reported and not being prosecuted. so he was concerned about this when he was not a candidate, when there was nothing in it for him. >> let's look at the tweet he
isn't out you just referenced. we can put it on the screen. 26,000 unreported sexual assaults in the military, only 236 convictions. what do these geniuses expect when they put men and women together? >> i do agree with donald trump that not enough is being done but i don't think he understands the right way to do it is out of the chain of command as senator gillibrand said. i think the more important part of the tweet, the dismissive way he talks about what happened, almost as if it was a joke, then to say what did you expect. that's to imply that women, because they want to serve their country, should expect the potential of the heinous crime of rape and sexual assault. when in fact, there's no evidence that bringing men and women together in the military do that. it's also offensive to the vast majority of men in the military who are not committing rape and
sexual assault. i just think if you look at that and what donald trump has said about sexual harassment in the workplace, the way he's spoken about women, if you are not a 10 you don't matter, he just doesn't appreciate in my opinion at all the realities of being a woman in america and to say you expect it, which is something that is so devastating. >> what he is saying is that any time you bring men and women together, there's a risk that there is going to be sexual assault. of course, you look at college campuses. the military should be prepared. that when you let women into active combat you need to ensure there are protections for these women, that there are independent j.a.g. officers overseeing these cases, maybe j.a.g. officers oversee pretrial situations. he was concerned about this. he said when you bring men and women together, you need to have a plan for when things go wrong that women are protected. there's nothing wrong with that. >> one point on that. when donald trump posted that tweet he was weighing in on a very active political debate is what christine brought up.
it was a senator gillibrand bill which ted cruz worked on her, co-sponsored it, take prosecutions for sexual assault in the military out of chain of command and put it in a third party. that's something donald trump doesn't seem willing to report. he seems to like the system as it is. that's a question that is still ongoing. >> that's not what he said. >> does he want to have sexual assault prosecuted within the chain of command or an objective third party? >> he said last night there should be some sort of court system in the military, which there is. >> that court system isn't working, clearly, but he's not talking intelligently about this debate. >> he's referring to the heritage foundation, who has looked into this and said they don't want it outside of the military. they find there are ways to protect women inside the military. >> two things. one, the heritage foundation's research is incorrect. i think what senator gillibrand did in a bipartisan way and is pushing to do really speaks to the reality of we need to take it out of the chain of command.
donald trump is correct in the sense of saying the chain of command has failed but he's incorrect about understanding the complexities of the solution. i just want to go back to this idea that any time you put men and women together, there's the risk of rape and sexual assault. rape and sexual assault are about power and control and violence. it's not about sexual attraction between men and women. it's about power, control and violence. i think that statement by donald trump fails to understand this crime and its per vasive nature in society. >> i was so happy to have a republican candidate for the first time talking about this issue, bringing it to the forefront, concerned about it. you should be thrilled that donald trump is concerned about this. >> i'm not thrilled that he don't understand that the chain of command will not be the answer. it's been part of the problem. i'm not thrilled when anyone regardless of party says that bringing men and women together, what did you geniuses expect, you should have known this was coming.
that is victim blaming and i find it offensive. >> i want to also switch to something that rnc chairman reince priebus tweeted out last night. he said hillary clinton was angry and defensive the entire time, no smile, uncomfortable on set that she was caught wrongly our secrets. that tweet has been deleted. clinton responded with another tweet saying actually, what taking the office of president seriously looks like. we went back and looked at the forum. it's not as if donald trump was actually smiling throughout. in fact, it was just at the beginning and at the end of the forum. by our count, trump actually smiled less than hillary clinton did. does that tweet raise any questions to you? it's something clinton brought up, she was asked about and said you know, in fact, let me show our viewers what clinton said about the rnc. >> i'm going to let all of you ponder that last question. i think there will be a lot of
ph.d. theses and popular journalism writing on that subject for years to come. i don't take my advice and i don't take anything seriously that comes from the rnc. we were talking about serious issues last night. >> i was wrong. the rnc did not delete that tweet. but does that raise questions for you? that women are being told to smile more when nobody says the guy -- >> no. hillary clinton was visibly irritated at having to account for her misuse of classified information. i think that's fair. it's been pointed out by nonpartisans. in fact, hillary clinton's referenced tim kaine smile, behind that smile is a backbone of steel and we didn't even raise an eye brow when she brought up tim kaine's smile. this is why just 23% of women call themselves feminist, because in my generation, millenial women, we are strong, we don't like the victim card, we don't like when hillary clinton used it against bernie sanders, rick lazio and reince priebus. >> i'm pretty sure myself as a
50-year-old woman and hillary clinton as a 68 or 69-year-old woman, we are pretty tough, too. >> got to leave it there. thank you. just ahead, we will hear from a group of veterans who watched last night's presidential forum with gary tuchman. did the candidates' answers sway their votes? a model needs vibrant hair color to light up the runway.
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lot of people still digesting some of the remarks made during last night's commander in chief forum. hillary clinton, donald trump didn't appear together. they took questions from the same live audience, military members and veterans on board a decommissioned aircraft carrier in new york. gary tuchman watched the forum with a group of veterans in virginia. here's his report. >> -- my voting to give president bush that authority was, from my perspective, my mistake. >> reporter: 11 veterans, six from the navy, three army, one marine and one from both the navy and the marines. >> i may love what the generals come back with. >> reporter: who do they think came across more presidential? >> we have four democrats on the front, one, two, three, four, independent here, five republicans in the back, independent there. who thought during this program
donald trump did the best? made you feel the safest? everyone in the back. five republicans, one independent. who thought hillary clinton did the best? one, two, three, four, five. we didn't arrange rows like this. it just worked out that way. you all sat down. some levity after the program ended. but earlier, a very different atmosphere in virginia beach. there was some criticism when hillary clinton talked about e-mails. >> as commander in chief, the buck stops with you. leadership starts at the top. >> reporter: contempt and sarcasm from the republican vets when clinton spoke more generally. >> but i will also be as careful as i can in making the most significant decisions any president and commander in chief can make. >> like benghazi? >> reporter: as for the democratic veterans, when donald trump spoke, contempt was often conveyed without saying a word. >> you also said this. i can promise you this, i will always tell you the truth.
>> it's true. >> so let me read some of the things you said. >> reporter: but the democrats in the group did speak out when they felt trump spoke too vaguely and simplistically. >> so is the plan you've been hiding this whole time asking someone else for their plan? >> no. >> there is no plan. >> reporter: a prevailing feeling among the democrats? >> when they asked him what is your plan, say something. >> reporter: among the republicans? one common theme emerged. >> i wouldn't want my life in her hands. >> reporter: what about the independents? army veteran steven jones says he feels safer with clinton than trump. >> she's got clear, concise outlines for what she wants to do and how she plans on doing it. >> reporter: the other independent is army veteran gene swisher. he doesn't feel comfortable with trump's positive talk about vladimir putin. >> is that enough to disqualify him from you voting for him? >> i only have two choices. that's a lesser of the two choices. >> reporter: so you are voting for donald trump because more so
because you don't like hillary clinton? >> that's correct. >> reporter: opinions for the most part reinforced by this town hall. >> he's a citizen statesman. he embodies leadership. i would trust another ceo, another person inside the room, another general or another commander rather than him. >> reporter: so other people on this panel, do you trust donald trump? >> i would trust him. >> reporter: what do you think, guys? t you take that as a compliment? a night of considerable disagreement ending with laughter among 11 people who have served their country with distinction. gary tuchman, cnn, virginia beach, virginia. >> appreciate them taking the time to do that. it doesn't look like last night's forum changed any minds in that group. there are still plenty of undecided voters. with 61 days to go, this is the final stretch to win them over. joining me, cnn political commentator, david axelrod and former romney campaign adviser stuart stevens. stuart, we are about two months from election day. what does trump do at this point
to get undecided voters behind him? >> i think he has to reassure them and he also has to talk, i think, about in more specifics some policy about what he would do. you need to know more what you're going to get with a trump presidency. right now, trump has a certain number of votes. but he's not doing nearly as well as mitt romney did with certain key groups of republicans like white women. these are -- and more educated voters. these are the key to winning a state like pennsylvania. it's ultimately one of the keys to winning a state like virginia. northern virginia voters. and in florida, in cincinnati suburbs. these are the voters he has to talk to. and you can't sort of take this breitbart approach. these aren't people who read breitbart. they want to know what they're getting when they buy a president. i think trump, it's just kind of, you know, famous box of
chocolates. you don't know what you're going to get every bite. >> david, two months out, obviously it's crunch time. where do you think hillary clinton's campaign needs to focus resources right now? >> it's sort of the converse. she's in a good position right now. she leads in virtually every battleground state in large measure because of what stuart is saying, trump's weakness among particularly college educated whites although also among minorities. i think her goal has to be to spend time or her mission has to be to spend time in those states and perhaps doing more campaigning in some suburban areas than a democratic candidate normally would to try and keep -- block him from making gains in those areas. i would also add this. it's not just what she and he will be doing, but what their respective organizations will be doing. i think in any close battleground state where the
vote may be separated by a few points, the fact that her campaign has invested for a year, year and a half, a major effort in identifying voters and doing the analytics that go along with that and developing a sophisticated field operation is going to make a difference of a few points. i'm not sure in the last 60 days that donald trump can make that up. >> guys, thanks. just ahead, donald trump has stirred up controversy among democrats certainly over his immigration policies. i will ask the nation's first hispanic u.s. attorney general, alberto gonzalez, what he thinks about trump's immigration plans and get his take on last night's forum. ou feel like you're trying to wrangle a hurricane. the rest of the time, they're asleep. then one day, hr schedules a meeting with you out of the blue. and it's the worst 19 minutes of your career. but you don't sweat it because you and your advisor have prepared for this. and when the best offer means you're moving to the middle of nowhere, the boys say they hate the idea. but you pretend it's not so bad. and years later at thanksgiving, when one of them says what he's thankful for most, is this house,
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former u.s. attorney general alberto gonzalez has not yet endorsed either presidential candidate. appointed by george w. bush, he was a key architect of the administration's counter terrorism policies. he's the first hispanic to serve as u.s. attorney general and just published a memoir, true 58 and allegiance, a story of service and sacrifice in war and piece. he watched last night's presidential forum an joins me.
i'm curious, donald trump said u.s. generals have been quote, reduced to rubble and vladimir putin is a leader far more than our president. do you think trump passed the commander in chief test? >> obviously the voters will have to decide that, anderson. one thing i would remind your viewers is that lots of things are said during a campaign and then when someone takes the oath of office and becomes president, oftentimes they have to back off of what they may have campaigned on. but clearly, the president of the united states, words matter. when you say something there has to be consequences to that. and you have to be careful about what you say. obviously the military plays an important role in our society and the commander in chief is a constitutional office. we need to have someone who understands that. >> one of the things your book tra addresses is your time as one of president bush's top advisers in the aftermath of 9/11. 15 years later, do you think trump is the person best
equipped to deal with the threat of terrorism? because polls show on that subject, he's leading secretary clinton. >> yeah, there's no question about the fact that president -- that secretary clinton has more experience in foreign policy. obviously given her role as secretary of state and senator on the foreign relations committee. the question i would ask and i think all voters should ask is whether or not based on that experience, has she exercised legitimately good judgment. you may have experienced something but may do a terrible job or have done a terrible job. if the sole qualification is experience in foreign policy or national security, then obviously she's got that over donald trump. i think there are a lot more unknowns with respect to mr. trump. he's a lot more unpredictable. that can be good sometimes in the foreign policy area but i would say consistency and predictability is probably better with respect to our enemies who know what the consequences are going to be when they do something. but also, it's reassuring for
our allies to understand that the united states is going to do in response to a threat or an incident. >> i haven't had a chance to ask you about this before. i'm wondering because you were attorney general before you were white house counsel, served time in the texas supreme court, obviously. if someone had suggested that you couldn't do your job because of being of mexican descent, you couldn't be fair because of your heritage as trump said about judge curiel in the trump university case, what would you have said to that? >> well, that would be wrong. i wrote an op-ed about this. i wrote that donald trump was right to expect a fair and impartial hearing before a neutral judge, but to say that someone is impartial solely because of their race i think i wrote was improper and i think it would be improper. hispanics will take the same kind of oath as a white person or african-american to discharge their duties with fidelity to the law, to the constitution. so that would be wrong as far as i'm concerned. >> at this point, have you
endorsed, i have read a couple things you said but you have said both are flawed candidates. are you publicly endorsing anybody? >> you know, i'm still gathering information. i'm handicapped by the fact that i don't know hillary clinton that well or donald trump that well as individuals which i think is very very important. the truth of the matter is when i'm asked this question, i said i think american voters, while they may care what i think, they have an obligation to do their own research, to learn about these candidates and decide who is best for this country, who's best for them and their families. we still have three debates to go, we still have time to gather up information. that's what i'm doing, although let me emphasize that i am a lifetime republican and i support the republican party but i also have to admit that i'm an american first. at the end of the day i'm going to make the decision based on what i think is best for america, best for me and my family. >> alberto gonzalez, thank you. pleasure to talk to you.
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gary johnson has 15% support. for johnson to be included in the first presidential debate later this month, he needs 15% in national polling. he's only at 7% in the latest cnn poll. what he did today is likely not going to help. watch this. >> what would you do if you were elected about aleppo? >> about? >> aleppo. >> and what is aleppo? >> you're kidding me? >> no. >> aleppo is in syria. it's the epicenter of the refugee crisis. got it, got it. >> well, with regard to syria, i do think that it's a mess. >> tonight randi kaye looks at the other alternate candy. >> gary johnson hardly hiding
his embarrassment about the aleppo gaffe later when speaking with bloomberg's mark halperin. >> not identifying and knowing that's aleppo, guilty. i'm incredibly frustrated with myself. >> reporter: he tried to explain he had been caught flat-footed. >> believe me, no one is taking this more seriously than me. i feel horrible. i have to get smarter. that's just part of the process. >> johnson later tweeting about his mistake. started my day by setting aside any doubt, i'm human. #i'mhuman. yes, i understand with the dynamics every day but when hit
with aleppo, i was immediately thinking of an acronym. >> well, you could look on a map and find aleppo. >> another candidate with her sights on the office, beth hope deputies in north dakota don't find her first. an arrest warrant has been issued for jill stein in morton county after chiefs charged with criminal trespass and mischief. stein tweeted out this photo of her spray painting. >> we are here at the barred gates of american debates. >> reporter: this wasn't stein's first brush with the law. four years ago in 2012, stein was arrested for protesting outside hofstra university. third party candidates weren't invited.
>> we're here to stand our ground for the american people who have been systematically locked out of these debates for decades. >> stein later told democracy now she and her running mate were handcuffed and held for eight hours. in a race where the two leading candidates have such a likability problem, johnson and stein may have finally had a real opening but voters in the end may only remember their most forgettable moments. >> i guess people will have to make that judgment. for those that believe this is a disqualifier, so be it. >> randi kaye, cnn, new york. >> we'll be right back. ♪ [cheering] ♪ the highly advanced audi a4.
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hey, that does it for us. "cnn tonight" with don lemon starts now. >> we are counting down to the first presidential debate, but every day is a debate for donald trump and hillary clinton. this is "cnn tonight." i'm don lemon. trump insisting today he opposed the iraq war from the beginning. >> this is a quote, absolute quote. "look at the war in iraq and the mess that we're in." it's right after the war started. >> the only problem, that was actually one year and five months after the war started. meanwhile, trump's running mate deght pence talks to dana bash