good morning, i'm carol costello, thank you for joining me. donald trump and hillary clinton both on the campaign trail this morning. both claiming victory in the debate. those smiles in the opening seconds didn't last. both accusing the other of hiding secrets from the american public. >> i will release my tax

returns -- against my lawyer's wishes. when she releases her 33,000 e-mails that have been deleted. as soon as she releases them, i will release, i will release my tax returns. >> maybe he's not as rich as he says he is. second, maybe he's not as charitable as he claims to be. third, we don't know all of his business dealings, but we have been told through investigative reporting, that he owes about $650 million to wall street and foreign banks. or maybe he doesn't want the american people. all of you watching tonight. to know that he's paid nothing in federal taxes. >> this morning, mr. trump also criticizing the debate's moderator saying lester holt only lobbed softball questions to hillary clinton. >> well, he didn't ask her about the e-mails at all. he didn't ask her about her scandals.

he didn't ask her about the benghazi deal that she destroyed. he didn't ask her a lot of things. there's no question about it. >> a lot to cover this morning. let's begin with cnn's phil mattingly. he has the highlights and the low lights. >> a lot of both in the 97 minutes. look, there was a clear issue that both candidates wanted to hit when they got on that debate stage. for hillary clinton, it was to try to make clear she was the most prepare. for donald trump, it was to make clear he was the change agent. he was going to be the one that changed the status quo inside washington and both candidates clearly had their positive moments. donald trump registering strong numbers on trade. registering clear hits, attacking clinton for her history. but hillary clinton, able to kind of pin donald trump into a corner with a question she didn't even ask. on donald trump's years long attempt to attack president obama's birthplace. take a listen.

>> i think i did a great job and a great service not only for the country but the president in getting him to produce his birth certificate. >> should we try to put the whole birthist lie to bed, but it can't be dismissed that easily. so he has a long record of engaging in racist behavior. and the birther lie was a very hurtful one. >> i don't know if we've ever heard anything like that on the debate stage. you could have overlooked the fact a major party candidate was calling another major party candidate responsible for racist behavior. that say very big deal. donald trump had big moments in the debate and attempted to attack hillary clinton on something we've heard repeatedly on the campaign trail, her stamina. clinton firing back. take a listen. >> i don't believe that hillary

has the stamina. >> as soon as he travels to 112 countries and negotiates a peace deal, a cease-fire, a release of dissidents and opening of new opportunities in nations around the world, or even spends 11 hours testifying in front of a congressional committee, he can talk to me about stamina. >> the rebuttal there from secretary clinton. look, both candidates trying to spin this as a victory as all campaigns always do in the wake of debates. what will be interesting to see in the days and weeks ahead. there are some crucial issues that are major components of donald trump's campaign that weren't mentioned last night. you heard him complain that was because of the moderator. when you talk to republicans who are familiar with how debates work, it's up to the candidates to bring those issues up. it's almost certain that issues like benghazi or clinton's e-mails will be issues he will bring up. in the meantime, it's all about

the swing states. hillary clinton in north carolina. donald trump in florida today. those are crucial states for both them. if they want to win on november 8th. that will be the issue going forward. >> and both candidates having the stamina to do that this morning. phil mattingly, thanks. with the first one on one with hillary clinton behind him, trump is already looking ahead to their next face-off which is less than two weeks away. he gave his buddies at "fox and friends" a preview. >> well, i may hit her harder in certain ways. i really eased up because i didn't want to hurt anybody's feelings. i may hit her harder in certain ways. i don't know if it's the same forum. but if it's a similar forum. i had a problem with a microphone that didn't work. my microphone was terrible. i wonder was it set up that way on purpose. my microphone, in the room, they couldn't hear me. it was going on and off. which isn't exactly great. i wonder if it was set up that way. but it was terrible. >> okay, so let's talk about

this. jackie kucinich with me, the washington bureau chief for the daily beast. michael warren, staff writer for the weekly standard. david swarloff, assistant editor for "the washington post" and todd graham is the debate director for southern illinois carbondale. welcome to all of you. so, todd, big, big huge picture, you hear mr. trump saying i had a bad microphone. lester holt threw me really awful questions. who won this debate? >> well, i think it was pretty easy who lost this debate. donald trump had a very, very bad night. so when i graded him today on my cnn.com piece, donald trump got an "f." >> why so, why did you give him an "f"? >> well, i mean, there's two aspects to every debate. there's content and delivery. i didn't think he came through on either. as far as his sort of delivery, well, he started with a frown and growls and that was on the first answer from hillary clinton. and it just went from there to his interrupting her constantly

over and over and over again. frankly, it was rude and annoying. it was just too much. as for his content, well, he rambled quite a bit during most of his answers and it was hard to follow his train of thoughts. then he just had some flat-out bad answers during the debate. >> optics i think really matter in debates and, jackie, a lot of people noticed that donald trump was sniffling a lot last night. and he was drinking a lot of water. so i'm just going to give our viewers an example of that, watch. >> hundreds and hundreds of companies are doing this. [ sniffs ] is that okay, good. [ sniffs ] we used certain laws that are there. [ sniffs ] >> so, jackie, again, on "fox and friends," this morning he tried to explain his sniffles away. here's what he told them. >> what's the the deal with the sniffles? >> you know, i heard you in i think the first answer, it sounded like you had seasonal allergies or a little cold, what's up with that? >> no, no sniffles, no.

you know, the mic was very bad but maybe it was good enough to hear sniffing. >> so no allergy? >> no, no cold. every once in a while but no, no cold. >> so donald trump never gets sick, carol, ever. i don't know if i thought he had a cold or, you know, the drinking water, like that seemed like a nervous tick to me. >> it seemed like -- i don't know this to be a fact but it seeped to happen when he was getting irritated so maybe it was a way, you know, a debate coach told him to cool down and pick up the water, take a drink, get a drink of water. i don't know that but it seemed to be about the time that he was -- he may have been getting irritated. but, you know, if this is hillary clinton, having another conversation entirely -- >> no, let's pause right there because most of my democrats friends said their biggest fear during last night's debate was if hillary clinton would have a coughing attack. >> and she didn't.

i guess she met and exceeded expectations, right? >> she never took a sip of water either. >> it's a fact of the race there are two different standards for donald trump and hillary clinton. just because donald trump is such a force on tv and such a unique and sort of almost bizarre candidate. so he's going to get judged on' different level. i think it's more important you know besides the tv theatrics to focus on why last night was somewhat a failure. i wouldn't give him an "f" necessarily but the fact is trump got off message. >> right. >> hillary clinton was able to get under his skin enough to get him off message. at the very beginning, those first 15 minutes when he was talking about trade and really going hard against hillary clinton, i thought were some of best 15 minutes of his entire campaign. it was only when she sort of started to go after him on really kind of a personal level that he lost it, sniffing a little bit and everything went downhill from there. >> so david, do you think the next debate will be different? >> carol, i think the next debate will be sort of more illustrative, will tell us a

little more about what we learned in this debate tonight. clinton clearly won. she won on points. she was the more prepared and the more upbeat even. i don't think she landed any knockout blows. i'd like to see in the next debate whether this is part of her strategy to just needle him, to get him as we were saying a moment ago off message just to maintain this lead that she has and not let him sort of move forward in the discussion, in this one-on-one debate. or if it was simply the case she was playing it safe and did better, just to go back to the sniffles, my theory is it was a little bit of nerves because i saw it go away as the debate kind of wound up. >> let's talk about over preparing and being scripted. at times hillary clinton did seem that way. that was brought up during the debate. >> i think donald just criticized me for preparing for this debate.

and yes, i did. you know what else i prepared for? i prepared to be president. i think that's a good thing. >> obviously, that was a line hillary clinton could not wait to deliver. she also had another phrase, trickle down trump economics, something like that. >> next pop hit. >> next pop hit. so todd, how would you grade hillary clinton? >> well, as far as like her persona on stage, i kind of rated it as a "b" minus. she was prepared. she was so prepared in fact i think she forgot the key ingredient. she needs to bring a conversational quality. she needs to seem a little bit more human. my example of where that went a little built wrong is frankly you wouldn't act like that, nor would i, if we were being interrupted as much as she was. not once did she stop -- it's natural for you to stop and just look at the other person. i wanted her one time to look at donald trump and say stop

interrupting me. because you would do that and i would do that. so that's kind of the steady as she goes clinton. it workforce her because, you know, it's fine and it keep hearse emotions at a steady pace. sometimes steady as you go isn't appropriate and i think she should have called him out. >> i will say this, jackie, i've heard from many of my women friends who have high-powered jobs. they despise being interrupted and they really noticed those interruptions and those interruptions bothered them. >> it is seen as disrespectful. if hillary clinton was constantly interrupting donald trump, she would look bad as well. it just looked disrupptive. he wouldn't let her talk at some point because he was so desperate to get a catchphrase or one liner or something in and it wasn't substantive. help was just interrupting her. i don't think he looked very good on that. >> is the returns for the interruptions weren't there. she didn't get rattled. >> somebody told her to smile a lot. >> i think asking hillary

clinton to be a little more human is probably a little more than she was able to give so i think sort of sticking to the script is about the best hillary clinton could do. >> so david, what was the big takeaway in your mind about both candidates? about donald trump? was it about his taxes? about hillary clinton? was it about, i don't know, her answer to the e-mail controversy? >> well, in one sense, the takeaway, this goes to what comes in the second and third debate, is that we didn't fully drill down on either candidate, i don't think, on the things that hurt them the most. clinton did a fairly effective job of pressing donald trump on the birther issue. saying as phil reported at the top, right, that she called it a perpetuation of a racist lie and then she described his racist behavior. never going quite as far as describing him as a racist which i think is smart. donald trump has managed to get this far by perpetuating his own narrative which is he was doing the country a service. i don't think people bought it. it was reflected in the cnn orc

overnight poll that showed 60% of people said she won the debate, but i still feel like she didn't push him hard enough and she didn't turn the birther issue into an opportunity to discuss how people in the country, how different races, different cultures, can come together. she could have prosecuted the case against him. in trump's case, he didn't do a good job pressing her on the e-mails. it was almost a repeat of senator sanders letting her off the hook in the first democratic debate, i was surprised about that. >> jackie kucinich, todd graham, david, thanks to all of you. did donald trump actually say that climate change is a chinese hoax? the reality check next. is that ice-t? nope, it's lemonade. is that ice-t? lemonade. ice-t? what's with these people, man? lemonade, read the sign.

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clinton's got it all wrong. who's telling the truth? here's cnn tom foreman. >> reporter: hillary clinton doesn't think much of donald trump's views on global warming, listen. >> donald trump thinks climate change is a hoax perpetrated by the chinese. >> i do not say that. >> i think it's important we grip this and deal with it both at home and abroad. >> reporter: she says he did, he says he didn't. problem with twitter it leaves a record. hess tweeted many times he thinks global warming is a hoax and in 2012 he quite specifically said the concept of global warming was created by and for the chinese in order to make u.s. manufacturing noncompetitive. there it is in black and white. that makes her statement about this true. >> all right. so earlier today, trump's running mate mike pence weighed in. he seemed to differ with

mr. trump. we're going to bring that sound up for you momentarily. back in our political panel, jackie kucinich, todd graham, michael swirlick. kellyanne conway was on "new day" this morning and she said donald trump believes climate change is a naturally occurring phenomenon. you heard what, you know, tom foreman said that donald trump said it was a hoax perpetrated by the chinese. this seeps to be another place where the trump campaign is assembling the plane as it's flying. i don't know that donald trump really had a real heartfelt position on climate change before he started running for president. he may have -- he just kind of speaks off the cuff or tweets off the cuff and i think that's what we saw in that china tweet. that is obviously not acceptable or science and what conway is -- is also disputable. that said, that's a little bit closer to something that normal

people hold rather than it's all a hoax. >> of course young voters, climate change really resonates. >> of course. >> i mentioned before mike pence came out and seemed to have a different opinion of climate change then kellyanne conway had that donald trump had of climate change so let's listen. >> there's no question that the activities that take place in this country and in countries around the world have some impact on the environment, some impact on climate. donald trump and i say let's follow the science but for heaven's sakes let's not go rushing into the kind of restrictions on our economy that are putting americans out of work and frankly are driving jobs out of this country. >> okay so is mike pence saying that man does have something to do with climate change there but we should just ignore it? >> there is actually a nuanced position, conservatives and people were skeptical of the sort of democratic progressive line on climate change and what to do about it. that conservatives take.

the problem is that donald trump completely blasts those arguments out the water because he doesn't really have an informed opinion about it. he doesn't really have any nuanced thoughts on what to do, you know, that maybe some measures might be a little too anti-growth to really deal with it or to even have a real impact. what you see there is mike pence trying to navigate some type of -- a world that doesn't exist anymore. >> it all boils down to politics. specifically, i'm talking about the coal industry, right, david? >> yes, look, when i hear conway say naturally occurring phenomenon, to me are wiggle words. they're trying to figure out as jackie said in midstride how to appeal both to the republican base and to moderate voters that now 40 days a s out of the elec they need to appeal to. when i hear pence, i think he's thinking ahead to the 2020 republican primary for president. look, donald trump has had to take some positions that are

republican orthodoxy or have been in recent years republican orthodoxy to offset some of these other positions where he's differed from the republican establishment and this is one of them and at least for last night he was sort trapped in it. >> so todd, i mean, do most voters really care about climate change? are we just talking about this and people's eyes are glazing over? >> yes, we care. no, our eyes aren't glazing over. the science is out there. i mean, come on, it's the 21st century. we're way behind. we just had 180 countries sign the paris accords. we need to act on this and everyone knows it except for a small portion of americans who are conservatives, but not just conservatives, but ultraconservative and they're not even honest about why. donald trump's problem isn't that one tweet. he's consistently said he doesn't believe in climate change. it's a real thing. you can't win a presidential debate by denying it. >> can i just say that i

disagree strongly with that, that americans really care about this. it's pretty low on the list of issues that people care about. i actually think in a weird way this sis a winning issue for donald trump because the sort of preoccupation a lot of democrats have with climate change as an issue seem also out of touch with terrorism, crime in the streets, the concerns about the police, all these things we see as big issues. the problems of climate change i think have really gone down in the minds of voters and i don't think it will have that big of an impact. >> i have to leave there. thanks to all of you. coming up in the "newsroom," the undecided, you know, those voters who have not made up their mind.

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and good morning, i'm carol costello. thank you so much for joining me. hillary clinton and donald trump with neck and neck. last night's debate offered a pivotal moment for each candidate to win over that undecided voter. so, were voters swayeded? cnn's pamela brown caught up with such voters in florida. >> let's get a show of hands. after this debate, who now knows who they're going to vote for? is that hillary clinton? anyone for donald trump? anyone who's still undecided, still has no idea who they're going to vote for come november? >> okay, so let's talk about that. with me now is john phillips,

cnn political commentator, and trump supporter, and jennifer granholms, former michigan governor and hillary clinton supporter. first of all, what was it like inside? because the audience wasn't supposed to react but it did every so often. >> the audience did, to be candid, i kididn't go inside. i wanted to live tweet it so i gave my ticket up. i didn't scalp. but i wanted to tweet so i was tweeting prolifically so i could be helpful on the outside. >> i can't believe you weren't inside. it hurts me. i wanted to ask you. >> i was so torn but i wanted to be -- >> okay so let's talk about the undecided voter now. you saw pamela brown. unscientific survey, right. but do you think many people were swayed one way or the other, john? >> oh, i don't know. that video reminds me of the episode of "i love lucy" where they're all at the restaurant

and everybody orders and lucy changes her mind every time somebody orders. i wanted to start haranguing them in spanish. >> why aren't they decided? i mean, really what is it going to take? it's so funny. you -- if you watched the debate last night, i would think you would be decided. it looked like there were a few of them that were swayed. maybe they have to gather all three debates of information of about -- >> well, the spinning has started, especially with the donald trump camp. >> oh, yes. >> paul ryan, the house speak, just weighed in on the debate. this morning. help w he was having the press gaggle, you know, they have every week. >> here's what i saw last night. i saw hillary clinton give a polished well rehearsed defense of the status quo, which 7 out of 10 americans don't like. i saw donald trump give a spirited voice to those of us who don't like the status quo. and i see emerging in front of us the potential for what a unified republican government can get you. which can be a solution to our country's big pressing problems.

i'm not going to get into the who said what this morning on some talk show because i didn't see it. but what i saw was a defense of the status quo, which americans do not want. and i see an opportunity to get us on a better path. >> he's showing the right temperament -- >> so, jennifer, is that what we saw? >> no, you saw a candidate in complete meltdown. i mean, from the first exchange where hillary clinton pointed out that he got a $2 million loan from his father, he started to desemble and it just steam rolled from there. i think the theme of change versus the same is very real. there's no doubt about that. they will continue to address that. for her, to be able to say i'm going to build on the success of the obama administration, to take us to the next level. we've started. we're going to keep going, to continue to create jobs. i think that's really important. those undecided voters, i'm curious to know whether they're holding out because they really haven't heard a huge amount of plans for the country. i'm not sure we got much of that

last night. but the next two debates maybe will be an opportunity. >> your thoughts? >> a lot of my democratic friends snickered when he talked about his temperament. she's selling herself as the steady hand of government, the person who's been there, the person who can get along with world leaders. he's selling himself as the business man who's going in there with the temperament of not dealing with the status quo, going in to shake things up. so i think anything that that reinforces his identity as a businessman and outsider helps him. >> he did step in it at least once when it comes to women voters. he did it with the former miss universe. hillary clinton brought that up during the debate. this is miss universe and trump ran the miss universe contest. alicia, after she won the crown, she gained some weight. i'm just going to play you that moment in the debate when hb hillary clinton brought it up and how donald trump responded.

>> he loved beauty contests, supporting them and hanging around them. he called this woman miss piggy then miss housekeeping because she was latina. donald, she has a name -- >> where did you find this? >> her name is alicia muchato and she has become a u.s. citizen and you can bet she's going to vote this move. >> oh, really? okay, okay. she was the worst we ever had. the worst. absolute worst. she was impossible. and she was a miss universe contestant and ultimately a winner who they had a tremendously difficult time with as miss universe. she gained a massive amount of weight and it was -- it was a real problem. we had a real problem. not only that, her attitude. and we had a real problem with her. >> okay, so just to clarify, so alicia went from 118 pounds to 160 pounds. the average american woman weighs 166.2 pounds. that's according to the cdc.

so why not just let that go, john? because that's going to live. hillary clinton's camp already made a campaign ad. >> yes, if i were to type a memo after last night, it would be titled "resisting impulses." if you look at the population of women that he needs to get, that he needs to go out and vote for him, it's republican women who are college educated who voted for mitt romney last time around. those are the women that could theoretically push him over the top if you believe those "washington post" numbers where he's down by two. and i don't think they care about this. i think women who are offended about this are women that weren't going to vote for him in the first place. they didn't like him calling rosie o'donnell a fat pig. republican women who voted for romney, i don't think this influences them one way or another. >> i want to point out this is hillary clinton, she's just about to board her campaign plane. i think she's off to north carolina. raleigh. okay, she's off there. we'll just watch her board the plane. jennifer, do you think his

comments resonate? >> of course they resonate. every woman hears that. most of us are sensitive about our weight and the notion that we can't be a 10, we can't be a 10 unless we are busty, because he said flat-chested women cannot be a 10. the fact he is so obsessed with looks. is very offensive. i encourage people to go to the website hillaryclinton.com and watch that ad. it is an incredible interview with alicia. in her own words how hurt he was that he called her miss housekeeping. i mean, how utterly offensive can he be on so many fronts. so yes, i do think women care about this and it will have an impact. >> i want to show our viewers the ad so people can understand what jennifer's talking about. [ speaking foreign language ]

>> she weighed 118 pounds or 117 pounds and she went up to 160 or 70. so this is somebody that likes to eat. >> so you get the gist here, john. i think what hillary clinton needs is needs to make her voters enthusiastically go to the polls and this may be a method that might, you know, inflame their passions enough to make them go to the polls and vote for hillary clinton. >> right. well, back when that pageant was going on, he was an entertainer. he was a guy who was putting on an show, trying to draw ratingings. >> he reinforced it this morning -- >> what was it that ed rendell said, the former chair of the dnc, ugly women are the correct weapon for hillary. >> that was wrong too. i'll grant you that. doesn't excuse what trump said on "fox and friends" this morning, does it? >> ed rendell is not running for president, he is, and he has said so many things that are offensive that will continue to be raised. he lives on -- whether he said

it in the '70s or this morning. it lives on. and believe me, we will be reminding people of that. >> jennifer granholm, john phillips, thanks to you both. all right, coming up in the "newsroom," trump and clinton spar and the world watches. who showed off their foreign policy chops best? loom tomato. when you cook with incredible ingredients... you make incredible meals. fresh ingredients, step-by-step recipies, delivered to your door for less than $9 a meal. get $30 off your first delivery blueapron.com/cook.

the debate was seen not only in the united states but around the world. both clinton and trump sparring over isis, support for the iraq war, nato and nuclear weapons. trump criticizing the nuclear deal with iran while clinton defensed it. clinton questioned trump's temperament. >> the other day, i saw donald

saying there were some iranian sailors on a ship in the waters off of iran and they were taunting american sailors who were on a nearby ship. he said, you know, if they taunted our sailors, i'd blow them out of the water and start another war. that's -- >> that wouldn't start a war. >> that's not the right temp temperament to be commander in chief. >> okay so let's talk about this. with me now, clarissa ward, in london, elise labboth in d.c. and matthew chance in moscow. what hillary clinton said about trump saying he would blow these iranian ships out of the water because they taunted u.s. sailors or the u.s. navy. mr. trump seemed to intimate that by saying such a thing or by doing such a thing that it would not -- it would not necessarily mean war. is he right? >> well, i think what was so interesting, carol, what we heard over and over again with

the discussion with regards to foreign policy, was donald trump really attacking hillary clinton about her record. while offering very few specifics of what he would actually do and how his foreign policy would look different. so he was very aggressive in terms of lambasting the iran nuclear deal, calling it one of worst deals the country has ever made, but he didn't really offer a lot of specifics in terms of how he would change that. he talked about how he would have made some kind of an agreement with north korea contingent on it. even mentioned throwing yemen in there. of course the big concern for people watching overseas with regard to donald trump is this sense that perhaps he is erratic, that perhaps he is impulsive, that perhaps he is, as she indicated, in fact, dangerous. i actually think the most important line of the entire debate with regards to foreign policy came when donald trump was talking about his response to nato and american allies.

he he said quite simply, we cannot be policeman of the world, we cannot protect countries all over the world. it is that statement that will have sent shudders down the spine of american allies across the world who are very concerned if there is a president donald trump we could see a much more isolationist foreign policy, carol. >> it might make world leaders quake, elise, but to many americans, that sounds like we can't be the world's policemen because we can't afford it anymore. >> well, that's right. i mean, look, carol, what donald trump has been able to tap into in this country is this idea that america needs to look at some of the problems here in this country and stop being the world's policemen, stop paying for everything. i think what secretary clinton tried to do when he talked about that, when, in fact, he doubled down on that pledge to relook at nato, to relook at asia and countries like japan and south carolina, where the u.s. has troops stationed. donald trump has said he would

re-examine those alliances and those troop commitments. she said, look, nato has been here for the united states. particularly after 9/11. there's this article 5 pledge what they say is attack on one is attack on all. so what secretary clinton was trying to do is say yes, it's important to look inward and look at these commitments and rve doeverybody does have to pa their fair share -- >> elise, pause right there maybe you can help me with this. hillary clinton on her campaign plane, let's listen. >> i have to say i was thrilled i got a chance to lay out some of the middle class economic policies and pro-family policies i've been talking about throughout this campaign to all of the viewers who tuned in. i felt so positive about it and, you know, one of the thoughts that popped in my head was, you know, one of my favorite baseball players growing up, ernie banks, used to get so excited about going to play that

he'd say let's play too. so i'm looking forward to the next debate and then the one after that. >> what do you think were the most critical moments last night? >> i think viewers got a real chance to begin to compare us on policy. you know, policy gets lost a lot of the time. coverage with the back and forth that goes on. and laying out my plan for strong growth and fair growth and dealing with family economic issues like affordable child care and paid family leave and debt free college with no real response, no real offer coming from my opponent. attacks plans. a tax plan we put forth are so different. his would explode a deficit in debt and it would be a huge gift to the wealthiest of americans including him and his own family and i think that began to come into focus for people. >> what about the way he kept

interrupting and the way he answered the question about gender, do you think women would react to that? >> well, i think his demeanor, his temperament, his behavior on the stage could be seen by everybody and people can draw their own conclusions. and i thought on several occasions he was making charges and claims that were demonstrably untrue. offering opinions that i think a lot of people would find offensive and off-putting. he can run his campaign and present himself however he chooses. but the real point is about temperament and fitness and qualification. to hold the most important, the hard est job in the world, and think people saw last night some very clear differences between us. >> are you concerned --

>> secretary clinton -- >> are you concerned that donald trump will not show up for the next debate? >> well, i'm going to show up. he gets to decide what he wants to do. i will be there in st. louis and then after that in las vegas. if i'm the only person on stage, well, you know, i'm the only person on stage. >> donald trump says he actually showed great restraint last night and he could have gone after you aprnd your husband fo personal matters. >> he can run his campaign however he chooses, and, you know, i will continue to talk about what i want to do for the american people. lay out specific plans with very clear goals in mind to help us deal with all the challenges we face. i'm excited about where we are in this country. he talks down america every chance he gets. he calls us names. he calls us a third world country. he talks in such dire and dark terms.

that's not would america is. no, we are the best problem solvers in the world. our diversity is a strength. i am excited about helping to pull our country together, to set some big goals on infrastructure and advance manufacturing and clean energy. to take on climate change, why by the way is not a hoax made up by the chinese. and do everything that i've talked about. and you should know by now when i set my mind on something, i keep going. i don't quit. whatever the static, whatever the incoming is. and that's what i'll do for the american people. i'm looking forward to it. thank you. >> what about his stamina -- what about his stamina -- >> anybody who complains about the microphone is not having a good night. >> oh, my goodness, a little zinger there at the end, right, hillary clinton talking about anybody who had microphone problems was having a real problem. as you know, earlier this morning, donald trump was

complaining about microphone problems at that debate. brian stelter. brianna keilar is on that plane, we'll get to her. wow. >> she is feeling very confident this morning. donald trump called into "fox and friends" on fox news this morning. clinton going in front a variety of reporters, taking questions. clearly, she believes she was the winner last night at the debate. she even questioned whether donald trump would show up at the next debate. saying, hey, i'll be there. if i'm the only one on stage, so be it. >> so let's go back to that. mr. trump apeer appeared on fox friends, right. i listened to the questions. they were not difficult questions. hillary clinton is on her campaign plane. reporters from all over the country are on board that plane asking her any kind of questions they want. why do you suppose she's doing that now and mr. trump is not? >> she is certainly seeking to be more acceptable and also appear to be more accessible.

donald trump has mostly sheltered himself with conservative media. friendly outleptts. friendly interviews on fox news. that was a strategy for him months ago. i have doubts about whether it's a winning strategy now. i think it makes sense for clinton to be in front of the cameras today reiterating her main messages from last night. >> the tables have turned, right. because hillary clinton went radio silent for a long time with the press and now she's talking to them all the time. >> now donald trump is the candidate who has not held a full-fledged press conference in about two months. he doesn't come on his plane and talk to reporters because they have to ride on a different plane. clearly she's trying to take the momentum she has from last night and get bacon the campaign trail today. we see her in very good spirits here. i think you take the question about donald trump interrupting her. trump did interrupt her a lot more than she interrupted trump. i think she's happy to have women in particular notice that

contrast. >> brianna keilar now available. what do you make of this? >> just so you know, we're actually on the move here so if you lose me that is why. hillary clinton just came back to speak to reporters, and she was very happy about her performance last night. as is everyone on her campaign. she said she's looking forward to the next debate and the one after that. when asked about what she thought the most critical moments were, she actually felt it was the policy that it gave people a chance she said to draw a contrast between her and donald trump and she focused on the tax plan that donald trump has or that she has. but she was of course also asked about his temperament because he did interrupt her so many times and she said, you know, his demeanor, his behavior on the stage, that people can draw conclusions about. she also said that people saw the difference. she's sort of letting that speak for itself. she was asked about donald trump's complain about a

microphone problem. last thing she was asked. she walked to the front of the plane, carol. she said, quote, anyone who complains about the microphone is not having a good night. >> all right, are you taking off there, brianna, or can i ask you one more question? >> yeah, go ahead. we're with about to take off. we have a little more time. >> i don't want to get you in trouble with the airplane people there. is it surprising to you that mrs. clinton decided to make an appearance this morning and answer questions? >> i don't think so necessarily because i think it was a victory lap in a way. so, you know, in terms of i think she just kind of wanted to say what a lot of people on her campaign have been saying, which is they feel they did a good job last night and that she was successful in the debate. so she was asked about what she would have done differently. that's not something she addressed. this is clearly her try to take

that victory lap. >> all right, brianna keilar. i'll let you get back to it. and we'll check back with you when you get to north carolina. let's head out to joe johns, he's at hofstra. you heard hillary clinton mention that microphone problem that donald trump brought up. was there a microphone problem in the hall you know of? >> it's not clear. what was clear is there was some talk about it, from donald trump included. not clear the extent to which there was a microphone problem. i think the really interesting thing about hillary clinton coming out today and i agree with brianna that that was sort of a victory lap. also interesting that she pointed out once again the issue of donald trump's demeanor as well as the notion of his relationship with women voters. the sense among some on the hillary clinton side he really talks down to women. that really appeared at the very end of the debate last night.

and she got in what i would call a planned zinger there. that involved as you know, carol the misuniverse from the 1990s who was from venezuela. something that i think this campaign saw as so effective they immediately put out a web video. so we look to see hillary clinton in north carolina just this afternoon, back to you. >> all right, joe johns, thank you so much. thank you for joining me today. i'm carol costello. "at this hour" after a break. with hydrogenated oil... ...but real joyful moments are shared over the real cream in reddi-wip. ♪ reddi-wip. share the joy. i've got a nice long life ahead. big plans. so when i found out medicare doesn't pay all my medical expenses, i got a medicare supplement insurance plan. [ male announcer ] if you're eligible for medicare, you may know it only covers about 80%

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this is a man who has called women pigs, slobs and dogs. >> she doesn't have the looks. she doesn't have the stamina. >> as soon as he travels to 112 countries and knee gosh st.s a peace deal, he can talk to me about stamina. >> all talk, no action, sounds good, doesn't work. >> i have a feeling by the end of this evening, i'm going to be blamed for everything that's ever happened. >> why not.