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tv   Anderson Cooper 360  CNN  October 31, 2016 9:00pm-10:01pm PDT

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and good evening from washington. thanks for watching. we are just across the street from the white house. a week and a day from now, voters will choose the next occupant. just eight days for presidential campaign that adds up to almost no tomorrows. for the trump and clinton campaigns, that means there's almost no time left to capitalize on bad news for the other side or perhaps just as important for the other side to recover from it. so we begin tonight just eight days out with new developments in the one piece of news that has dominated the headlines since it broke on friday, the discovery of e-mails on a device seized from the computer shared by top clinton adviser huma abedin and estranged husband anthony weiner. donald trump is doing a campaign victory lap over james comey to reveal their existence. hillary clinton saying in her own words, there is no case here and publicly challenging the fbi director to produce anything
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they got. republicans and democrats alike taking aim at director comey. the fbi have begun the process of analyzing the e-mails and sources tell us they will not be done by election day. just moments ago, we also learned this, director comey says he will not be saying another thing about all of this until the review is complete. our jim sciutto joins us with the very latest on what he's learned. no word at all? >> no word at all. first we're learning tonight director comey, he stands by his decision. sources familiar with his thinking say he had a tough decision, he made the best choice possible. he doesn't have a partisan bone in his body. sources telling our pamela brown. in addition to that as anderson was saying, comey saying he will not have any partial updates before the investigation is complete. no announcement of a certain number of e-mails discovered, early indications of whether it was classified material. he is not going to come back until the investigation is done, which means that this will certainly extend beyond the election. tonight, cnn has learned that agents at fbi facilities in quantico are now combing over
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thousands of e-mails on a laptop belonging to disgraced congressman anthony weiner, and his estranged wife, huma abedin. key aide to hillary clinton. just eight days from the election, the fbi has now obtained a warrant to search those e-mails found in a separate investigation of weiner for allegedly sexting with a minor. officials tell cnn comey was made aware of the e-mails in mid-october, but only went to congress with the information after he was given a fuller briefing on thursday. today, the white house walking a fine line, praising director comey's character -- >> director comey is a man of integrity, he's a man of principle. he's a man who is well regarded by senior officials in both parties. >> reporter: -- but communicating the importance of fbi traditions, limiting public discussion of ongoing investigations, especially close to an election. >> would not the white house say let's put more information out there then? >> i think that was the hope that director comey had.
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that was his stated hope of sending the letter in the first place. >> it's not enough. >> well, clearly had the opposite of the intended effect. >> reporter: comey's decision to go public so close to election day has drawn fire from both democrats and republicans. including george w. bush's attorney general, alberto gonzales, who spoke to cnn today. >> i really worry that in this particular instance, the fbi director has made an error in judgment in terms of releasing this kind of letter which really says nothing. >> reporter: however, when comey testified on the hill in september after recommending not to bring charges against clinton, the fbi director did hint he would investigate if he discovered new evidence. >> would you re-open the clinton investigation if you discovered new information that was both relevant and substantial? >> it's hard for me to answer in the abstract. we would look at new -- >> what are you learning about
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the timing after all this, how long it will actually take? >> there are two steps. this is under way. cataloging these e-mails. they can do this with a tool, happening at quantico, to see how many e-mails are new. ones they haven't looked at before. that's something you can do with technology. >> which you'd think would be pretty fast. >> that could take a matter of days. the next step requires human beings to make a judgment, whether it's classified information here, or other evidence, was there evidence of obstruction of justice? each of those things requires consultation with a number of agencies. particularly when you're talking classified. as we knew in the last investigation, that can take some time. that's the part that really takes you past election day. >> jim sciutto. appreciate the update. speaking in michigan, donald trump sarcastically thanked anthony weiner and huma abedin for the e-mails without evidence. he claimed they will be devastating to hillary clinton and prized director comey's guts for doing what he did. the reality, though, neither the trump nor the clinton campaign has the facts and as we've been reporting, not even the fbi does
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yet which leads a vacuum that both campaigns are trying to fill. just a few moments ago, i spoke with trump campaign manager kellyanne conway. kellyanne, secretary clinton said today, i quote, there is no case here. she and her campaign insisted voters have already made up their mind about essentially anything e-mail related. paul begala as you know works for a pro-clinton superpac, said the same thing, essentially he believes the whole e-mail situation is kind of baked into people's opinions. do you think that's true? have voters already made up their minds? >> it is not true. i appreciate the spin on their side with eight days to go before the election, anderson. i can imagine they've booked up every focus group facility from santa fe, mexico, to columbus, ohio, and in between trying to figure their way out of this one. if anything, the undecided voters struggle with why to vote for hillary clinton. they've known her for decades. their hesitation about going to her is well known. it goes to the voracity and honesty. she already put us through one fbi investigation. we're having this entire conversation, anderson, and this
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entire crisis right now because from the beginning, she set up the private server, deleted the e-mails, bleached them, lied about lying. we need full disclosure about the lies she lied about. there's no way they know what is and isn't real in terms of this investigation. finally, i'll just remind everybody, under the 4th amendment you can't get a search warrant unless you show some type of probable cause or some type of reason to be able to search somebody's device. that's very clear. >> donald trump, your candidate, much of the campaign including you were highly critical of fbi director comey obviously after the july announcement to not recommend charges. you tweeted there was zero accountability, that was your term, at the fbi. mr. trump, the night before friday's letter from comey was released said, "hillary clinton as an example deleted 33,000 e-mails and fbi saw that and let her go. it's part of the rigged system." so if there were zero accountability before, at the fbi, and it was part of a rigged system, is it still part of a rigged system?
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>> so, our reaction and frustration in early july, anderson, was grounded in the fact that director comey went forward and said we're not going to followthrough with charges, however, here's everything she did wrong. she was reckless, she was careless, then two days later on july 7th under oath to the congressional committee, told chairman trey gowdy that he had to disagree, he undercut hillary clinton's own testimony and his own conclusion in saying, well, there was not one device, there were multiple devices. yes, there was classified or confidential information. yes national security information was exchanged on this server. we now find out hillary clinton was exchanging e-mails with president obama on this private server. i mean, that's terrible. so in july, director comey frustrated everyone by saying things that undercut his conclusion. this is a new investigation. we don't know much about it. and i think everybody should just take a deep breath and let the fbi do their work. i can't imagine they can tell us what this is about in the next eight days but i have no idea. we have no special knowledge here.
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i just think attacking director comey, these print papers, the clinton campaign, i think josh earnest, the white house secretary, put it best today, he, i assume on behalf of president obama, said he will neither condemn, you know, neither criticize or praise director comey's decision. i think the white house disagrees with harry reid and other democrats that director comey is trying to, quote, interfere in this election. there's no evidence of that. >> do you -- do you believe that comey should give out more information? because as you know, i mean, even, you know, former attorney general alberto gonzales, republican, was raising questions about comey's decision to come forward and the way that he did. >> perhaps. i don't really know the procedures that well for me to be expert on that and tell you. what i will tell you is we all know these investigations take a long time and there are always things, anderson, you and i don't know. that's probably it should be. let the government agencies do their job. at the trump campaign, we don't want to politicize the fbi. i'm sorry hillary clinton is making this an affirmative
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talking point at her rallies and all the sunday shows yesterday. with her staff. but that's really unfair not just to comey but really to the process. by the way, none of this conversation is about e-mails. it's not about jim comey. it's not even about the fbi. this entire conversation is being had because of a couple selfish people. hillary clinton in setting up the private server if the beginning, lying about it, deleting e-mails, being reckless and careless. secondly, anthony weiner. the only reason we're having this conversation again, the only reason there's not one, but two fbi investigations now, is because anthony weiner is texting pictures of himself to a 15-year-old girl in north carolina. that's how this all started. i think when hillary clinton cannot blame the trump campaign, cannot blame the rnc, cannot blame the vast conspiracy, they're really at sea, because they're trying to blame, they're cursing the sky and it's not working. >> let's talk about the polls. trump's campaigning today in michigan. according to real clear politics average, clinton is leading by seven. it's a state which hasn't voted republican in presidential elections since 1988, i think.
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why spend crucial hours there? do you believe michigan is up for grabs? >> it is. michigan is up for grabs. we like what we hear on the ground there. the real clear politics average is great, but it always includes polls taken weeks ago as well as more recently. we like the trend lines there and states like new mexico, wisconsin, certainly pennsylvania, always been on our list. colorado. these states that have been blue for a while. these states that president obama carried twice. but remember, any time you try to apply conventional tactics to donald trump, you get disappointed and prized because he defies all of that. and we also -- we just need a couple of insurance policies to 270, anderson. i'm managing this campaign. i'm not going to have just one route there. we're not going to chase every new promising poll in every state but we're going to go where we see real movement and real promise. it's also a state where bernie sanders cleaned hillary clinton's clock. it's like iowa, it's a state that does not like hillary clinton. people are saying that's the primary. it matters tremendously because
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it means the voters aren't enthusiastic about her. we'll continue -- if you're donald trump's campaign manager, you know he's willing to go to two, three states a day. so is governor pence. so we have the luxury of expanding the map a little bit because they don't just do one or two stops and go home. they're willing to take it all over the field and that's what we're going to do. we're dotting the map. >> kellyanne conway. appreciate you being with us. thanks. >> thank you, anderson. well, we should mention we invited the clinton campaign on tonight. they declined. there is more breaking news. we've just gotten a statement from huma abedin's attorney, karen dunn. it reads "from the beginning miss abedin has complied fully and voluntarily with state department and law enforcement requests including sitting for hours-long interviews and providing her work-related and potentially work-related documents." the statement goes on "miss abedin's willing cooperation has been praised by members of congress and law enforcement officials alike. she only learned for the first time on friday," this is important "she only learned for the first time on friday her attorney says from press reports that a possibility, a laptop belonging to mr. weiner could
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contain e-mails of hers." "while the fbi has not contacted us about this, miss abedin will continue to be as she always has been forthcoming and cooperative." there's also this, ohio governor, former presidential candidate, john kasich we learned has voted, he is not a trump fan as you probably know. he wrote in john mccain on his ballot. let's bring in the panel. "inside politics" anchor john king is joining us. cnn law enforcement analyst and former fbi assistant director tom fuentes. cnn legal analyst, former federal prosecutor, jeffrey toobin. gloria borger. also trump supporters kayleigh mcenany and jack kingston. clinton supporters bakari sellers and paul begala. jack and bakari are former lawmakers. jeff tuben -- i think we talked friday. you said comey is not going to speak anymore on this and this is is not going to be done until past election day. seems like you were right on both counts. will anything develop between now and election day on this? >> a lot of leaks from the fbi. >> that's how it's going to happen. >> i think one of the really
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unfortunate aspects of this announcement of raising in issue is it will contribute to a constant stream of leaks from the fbi, from the justice department, some of which may turn out to be accurate, some which may turn out to be wrong. the number of e-mails. how many e-mails are from, if any, hillary clinton, how many e-mails are classified? i mean, these are the things that all of us who are reporters are going to be trying to find out over the next eight days. we will get answers. some of those answers may be right, and i think this is yet another reason why the fbi and justice department have long-established traditions of not disclosing politically sensitive information close to election day because they know that the press feasts on it and they know that this is not something that law enforcement should be doing at this time. that's why this very strong tradition exists in the justice department of not doing it. >> john, we know this is going
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to eat up certainly a lot of media coverage between now and election day unless something else new develops. do we know whether or not it is actually going to have an impact on voters, will it change voters' minds? >> we don't know that. we should be careful about that. we should probably wait two, to be safe. wait three, get to thursday or so before you trust the polling. there's a new new hampshire poll out tonight. we'll talk in detail about it in a little while. hillary clinton still has a very big lead in new hampshire so her campaign can look at that and say a-ha. the trump campaign can say the last time the organization polled it was a much bigger lead and it's smaller now. if you want to take one poll and go to vegas on this, be my guest. let's take a few days to ride this out. i will tell you this, the clinton campaign, paul's superpac understands this is what we're going to do until we find out the evidence, unless something else comes up. see a change in her paid media strategy, going negative on donald trump. you see his superpac today had a very tough ad on donald trump
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and women. they understand the conversation is now about hillary clinton. she spent the whole campaign trying to make it about donald trump. what they won't get in the free media, they're trying to do with their paid media. >> paul, for your superpac, is that what you're trying to do now, redirect it to character issue on donald trump? >> well, to frame up the choice. this is what we did from the beginning. our first ad was about donald trump's comments about women and so this is, perhaps, our last one. i have to say people -- we got carol king to give us the rights to her song, "natural woman." you make me feel like a natural woman. the first half is very positive. images of hillary and it's very positive, then it pivots so you see the choice. it's not fully negative which i'm a little disappointed in. i like to go 110 -- the other folks at the pac have more stroke than i do so they insisted half be positive. we want people to know the choice. i said this to you on friday, i say it again, voters, hillary may have mishandled e-mails, donald trump may have mishandled women. which is worse? >> paul, you have a huge problem on your hand when 45% according to politico believe what hillary clinton did was worse than watergate. that's a very big deal. >> called the trump vote. >> according to cnn's reporting,
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evan perez, investigators have told him that it's likely that some of the deleted e-mails from hillary clinton's server are contained in this bunch. those are the e-mails, of course, we know, bleached from eternity, the e-mails slammed with blackberries. this is a very big deal. when voters deserve -- voters deserve to know if the person they're casting their ballot for is under criminal investigation by the fbi. >> she's not. >> obligation -- >> the reality is we will not know, gloria, until past election day. >> the truth is, we don't -- if anybody here at the table knows, tell me, because we, i believe, do not know whether these were hillary clinton's e-mails. we don't know whether these are duplicates. we don't know what's among these thousands and thousands of e-mails. all we have is conjecture. >> so do you think it impacts voters? >> well, i think that for voters, in particular, who believe that hillary clinton is a crook and that these e-mails are terrible, it confirms the view, and i think for people who don't care about the e-mails, it, you know, it's already baked.
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however, i will say it can have impact on enthusiasm on both sides. it could make people who are undecided say, you know what, i'm going to stay home. it could make trump supporters more enthusiastic about getting out to vote and it could make hillary clinton supporters say, you know what, i'm going to go for her because this is, you know -- >> let's talk about the investigation. >> i just don't know. >> tom, you know about fbi investigations, formerly with the fbi. okay. it's not going to be done -- what about this idea of leaks emerging, how does that concern you as somebody who formerly worked for the fbi? >> it would concern me. they don't want these leaks coming up, but just to describe the procedure, it would be an incremental situation. they got anthony weiner's computer which they found out is shared with huma abedin. they received that in september. and the team looking at his e-mails, and the things that he's been sending online, in connection with his sexting case, they're looking at that then they see her e-mails are also on that computer for whatever reason, were downloaded
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to it. and so they think this may impact the original e-mail investigation. so they go to -- the team working the sexting case meet with the team that had worked on the e-mail case and they said we'd like you to look at at least the metadata on these e-mails that takes a subpoena. doesn't take a search warrant for metadata. metadata is the electronic breadcrumbs that show which servers the e-mails passed through. in order to get the search warrant to extend this, i'm guessing, this is my professional opinion, the subpoenas showed metadata that passed through her server, the server at home. based on that, they use that for the probable cause to get the search warrant which they obtained this weekend and the search warrant now is for content to look at what is discussed in that. remember back on july 5th, whether comey should have or shouldn't have made that press release that he did, but he said the main and only reason really for why he recommended no
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charges was that he couldn't prove her criminal intent. >> right. >> so they don't need to have e-mails to and from her. they could have huma abedin's e-mails to and from other key, like cheryl mills, for example, or other key aides that discuss and show evidence that she may have, or what the motivation was for setting up that private server. >> right. it doesn't even have to be actually classified content on those e-mails. >> no, it can be proof of her intent. >> anderson, one of the things i want to point out, you just showed the clip of congressman lamar smith asking director comey in congress, and jim sensenbrenner also asked a similar question, will you re-open this, will you revisit it if there's something serious? and sensenbrenner's question actually said there already have been some serious things come up and comey said nothing that rises to the motivation to re-open it. he's re-opened it, therefore, think it's very, very serious. i want to say -- >> democrats claim this is not a re-opening of the investigation. this is simply -- >> no, he said -- i read the
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testimony, said he closed it, but it doesn't really matter. i mean, here's what you're also going to have along with the drip, drip, drip of fbi leaks, you're going to have wikileaks coming out with new things. the question that strikes to me was huma abedin's statement we just heard that she did not know her husband -- well, good gosh, you are the second person in control of the state department. why would you let your husband get that information? you just can't do that. i mean, to me that goes back to the word, reckless. >> it's understandable to raise questions about it. we do not know how those e-mails ended up on that computer. >> right. that's going to be one of -- >> her attorney is saying she was not aware. >> that's not legitimate. what we just did, what my good friend congressman kingston did is go down the path of innuendo filling the void left by director comey. >> comey did not -- >> one second. and this is where -- this is where we have to go back to the july 5th statement. and it violates everything that's in the usam, those
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gentlemen on the other side, the u.s. attorneys' manual, conducts media relations and behavior of the department of justice, all the agents of the fbi. he should not have made that statement. now he's in a corner. what he did is threw a proverbial football out there on 11 days before the election and now we have everybody and their mother coming up with innuendo to fill it. you know what the most amazing thing about it is? he got probable cause, of course, due to the metadata but had not read a single e-mail. the reason we know he didn't read a single e-mail, he did not have a search warrant. anyone who stands up here, whether or not they're a hillary supporter or whether or not they are a donald trump supporter, is flat-out misleading the public. >> we got to take a break. we're going to continue this discussion. we're on for two hours tonight an lot more to talk about including early data on what we've been discussing already, whether this changes the all important state-by-state road to the white house. john king breaks down the polling impact so far. later, a closer look at one of the longest running professional power partnerships in washington, huma abedin, hillary clinton and the history
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for pain relief that can last into the morning. ♪ look up at a new day... hey guys! now i'm back. aleve pm for a better am. some breaking news in the voter impact the e-mail story might be having with an emphasis on might. new polling from new hampshire, john king mentioned in our last block, where hillary clinton still holds a big lead. seven points. about half the surveys conducted by the university of new hampshire, local station wmur, done after it hit. as for the larger impact, john
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king is back at the larger wall breaking it down by the numbers. trump's campaign calls the fbi's announcement a game changer, says he's leading everywhere he visits. is that true? >> we don't know about the game changer yet, part. no, he's not leading, anderson, everyone he visits. you mentioned the new hampshire numbers. seven-point lead now in new hampshire. you're right. she was up larger in the last wmur poll, but it was taken when donald trump was cratering. so is this, look, it was taken over the weekend including is this because of the fbi allegations? we simply don't know. we can look more deeply into the survey data and watch it. what we're waiting for, anderson, more polls from other battleground states. i'm going to show you the most recent north carolina numbers. this is troublesome for donald trump, but this was taken before the fbi story broke. so we'll see new north carolina data throughout the week, but donald trump heads into this even if there's a benefit for him here, a six-point deficit in
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north carolina, simply he cannot win without north carolina. so when you see this, at least hillary clinton had a cushion going into this controversy. we'll see how it plays out. want to go back to one more other state, again, florida a must-win for donald trump. hillary clinton wants to win it, she doesn't have to win it. this poll taken before this, again, shows essentially a dead heat. one-point clinton lead. that's a statistical tie. so was donald trump getting closer in some of the battleground states? you could make that case. i will say this, he was out in new mexico over the weekend. i want to pop this one up. a lot of republicans scratching their head about this. kellyanne conway said they see data they're moving in new mexico. i'd love to see that. this was a ten-point race four years ago. this was a 15-point race in 2008. i don't know any republican who thinks donald trump can win new mexico even with these new developments but we'll wait and see. >> the intensity of the clinton campaign attacks on director comey show they are worried it will have an impact.
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will it change their strategy in the final week? >> yes. hillary clinton is still scheduled to go to arizona on wednesday. that's ban red state for years. they think they can change it. more importantly, the trip was already announced before this broke. the last thing you want to do is cancel it and cause panic. after that, both in the paid media and her travels much more of an emphasis on the traditional battleground states. ohio, north carolina, pennsylvania, the like. this is using, the old map, the mccain map. don't be misled by what you're seeing on the map. here's what's worrisome for the clinton campaign. again, check this data at the end of the week. there are some reasons why things in ohio, things in north carolina, things elsewhere haven't gone perfect in early voting. for the most part the democrats are leading, but african-american early voting in north carolina down a bit from 2012. african-american early voting in georgia down a bit from 2012. african-american early voting in florida down a bit from 2008.
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what the democrats will tell you is fewer polling sites in ohio, shorter days. so perhaps there are reasons for this. they had a big weekend to turn out early votes. let's watch this data later in the week to see if there's an intensity problem for hillary clinton that could be magnified by the troublesome news. >> john, one other thing, i read today that among undecided voters, they seem to be breaking more republican. is that your understanding as well? >> we've seen that in the data of the people still left, of the people still say they're undecided when you ask them their voting history, they're either republican voters -- more republican voters and more independents who lean republican in the undecided pool. it's a relatively small pool but could be significant in the final week. >> all right. kayleigh, when you look at where things are, where do you see -- do you believe trump has a chance in new mexico, in michigan as kellyanne conway says? >> i do believe that and i know it's unmistakable there was momentum behind donald trump. abc daily tracking poll, donald trump gained 11 points in one week, before this fbi scandal broke. that's a national poll.
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look at florida, "the new york times" poll that came out today, trump's leading by four. early voting as of this morning, he was leading by 24,000 votes when you look at early voting and absentee. look at pennsylvania. if he keeps the romney states, wins florida, wins pennsylvania, wins ohio, and there are two polls that show him down by two points, three points. he becomes the next president of the united states. this is before the fbi scandals factor in. >> so, paul, are you running for the hill? >> all is well in trump land. he didn't have a chance in new mexico. he's wasting his full-time and money by going out there. >> you don't believe they have internal polling that shows otherwise? >> i don't. maybe they do, if they do, they're garbage polls. i looked at real clear politics today. the three states. i thought what am i missing here? new mexico, there's only been two polls king points out. hillary led both by an average of 8 1/2 points. a state president obama won by ten. wisconsin, there have been 11 polls since labor day. hillary's led in all 11. all of them by an average of
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5.7%, a state president obama won by 7%. michigan, 14 polls since labor day. hillary has led in all 14 of them -- >> kellyanne conway says real clear politics -- has too many old polls. >> this is just from labor day. >> it doesn't matter when you win all 14 -- >> this idea there's trump momentum, you don't buy that? >> she's full of baloney. i think it's fine. as a clinton guy i don't want him in ohio, pennsylvania, virginia, north carolina, the states that are really close. i don't want him wasting him time in blue states. >> paul, as you know, labor day is -- let me say this, what really has happened in the last ten days, really one week, wikileaks and obamacare. wikileaks has a cumulative effect, like putting salt on your food. a little bit of a time and it starts adding up. >> do you realize, you're a
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tough on crime congressman, you realize that's a crime perpetrated by the russians against america. you do know that. >> don't get mad at the camera if the picture comes out bad. i don't know where it came from. but the reality is -- >> somebody robs a bank, you're running away, pick up the money and keep it? that would be wrong. >> one at a time. >> since you like point number one so much, you do agree that obamacare is going up, 116% in arizona. 40% in north carolina. 53% in pennsylvania. the obamacare bombshell really is huge because americans who are maybe part of the 94,000 that are underemployed or underemployed, the 43 -- 95 million, excuse me, 43 million who are on food stamps, you're in the middle income, that you've seen your household income shrink -- >> paul, do you see the obamacare premiums going up as a bombshell? >> it's not a bombshell but it certainly doesn't help. that's actually an issue, the first time we've talked about one. what's mr. trump's solution? to repeal obamacare, take 20 million people who have it out. it's to return to situation
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where if you have a pre-existing condition, insurance companies can tell you no. he doesn't have an answer to it. of course it's not good, but it's not, i think, what's driving this election. >> bakari? >> november second of 2012, "wall street journal" had an article about mitt romney going to wisconsin and pennsylvania because the republican party was going to flip them red. so this is something that always happens. talk to president romney about how good that worked for him. so that's first. i also -- >> caucus. >> i want to talk about briefly something john king put up on the board which was the downtick from 2012 of the african-american vote and the reason we're seeing that is because the limited voting places and in a state like north carolina where you saw it was down 6.5%, hillary clinton is still winning, they just opened up new voting centers where african-americans and african-american counties like gilford county, mecklenburg county, all these other places where you're seeing the turnout increase. what you're seeing is hillary clinton doing extremely well with white democratic voters in early voting places, and the uptick amongst hispanic voters --
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>> just very briefly, john, you were saying democrats have that same -- >> at the end of the campaign, this is what happens. >> my first campaign was michael dukakis. we were on the road this week, he was saying george h.w. bush. when kellyanne conway tells you we're winning everywhere, no offense to kellyanne conway, that's her job. the congressman is right about obamacare, there are a lot of republicans especially after the "access hollywood" tape who ran from donald trump, sprinted from him. especially women. a lot of them have come home. the obamacare announcement has helped with that. we where we are now, until we get new data, we don't know about the fbi, where we were before the fbi a traditional election. a one, two, three, four-point race like obama/romney. >> why is trump doing this? he's a one man get out the vote machine. they don't have the ground games in a lot of states that the democrats have and nobody can get his voters out better than donald trump. so he's got to do these rallies. >> we got to take a break. i want to thank everybody on the panel.
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>> reporter: a familiar chant outside donald trump's rally in michigan. >> it's not an election, it's a revolution. >> it is, it's a movement. >> reporter: some supporters are suggesting the case against hillary clinton is being re-opened. even though fbi director james comey never used that language. he told congress investigators should review the newly discovered e-mails. >> so i guess i'm encouraged they're re-opening and going to look at it more thoroughly. >> they're not actually re-opening it, they're going to take another look at what might be there. >> there's a difference between they're going to take another look and re-opening. >> reporter: the director never said re-opening. he said there may be something significant. >> is this a hair we're going to split? >> reporter: i'm sticking to the facts. he didn't use -- >> you're sticking to your interpretation of the facts. >> reporter: and supporters here believe the fbi director knows more than he's letting on. >> i think they already though there's some very damaging e-mails in there and she's in a lot of trouble. >> reporter: the fbi director hasn't seen the e-mails yet.
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how does he know? >> his underlings below him have to know. they're not going to bring that to the attention unless there's serious information in there that's very damaging for hillary clinton. >> how do you know he don't know? >> reporter: that's why they had to get the warrant to take another look at them. >> he wouldn't have done that to hillary if he hadn't already seen or heard something. >> reporter: despite the fact that the fbi has not released a single detail about what the e-mails say, supporters here make it sound like they already know. what do you think could be big that's on those e-mails? >> i think there's probably e-mails that she forwarded to a laptop at her house that maybe perhaps implicates the clinton foundation. >> the e-mails are there and the 33,000 are there and i think -- i think there's been talk with probably the president of the united states to her on the e-mails. who knows. >> reporter: you don't know any of that for a fact. >> sure, no. but neither do you, neither does anybody else. >> reporter: and if the e-mails damage clinton's campaign, voters here say there is only
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one person to blame. >> this is a huge mess. you have to come back to who started this mess. it was the secretary of state who chose to have a private e-mail server. >> randi joins me now from detroit. certainly a lot of support there among trump supporters for essentially what is donald trump's position, and a lot of distrust of hillary clinton. >> reporter: absolutely, anderson. you could tell they all certainly think they have it figured out. i mean, one woman said to me, they must have a smoking gun, the director must have a smoking gun. i tried to point out to her at that point he hadn't seen the e-mails, didn't have a search warrant for them yet. their attitude is lock her up, throw away the key. in terms of timing of this, they're fine with it even though it's so close to the election. they say the american people have a right to know everything about their candidates even if the position was reversed and the fbi said they were going to look once again at a case involving donald trump, i asked them, and they said that would be fine, too. again, the people have a right to know. of course, anderson, as you
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pointed out earlier in the show, we probably aren't going to know very much about what he's in these e-mails before election day. anderson? >> randi, thanks very much. no surprise the feeling is somewhat different at clinton rallies. equally strong. believe it or not, it's been a full year since bernie sanders said in a primary debate, quote, the american people are sick and tired of hearing about your e-mails. it seems the sentiment is very much true at clinton rallies among her supporters. hillary clinton had two stops in ohio today. gary tuchman spoke with some of them. >> reporter: rallygoers here in cincinnati have different reasons for voting for hillary clinton. but everyone we talked to feels the same about her e-mails. they're tired of hearing about them. that's why fbi director james comey's action last friday upset so many here. how concerned are you it could affect the election? >> about scale of 1 to 10, about a 5. >> reporter: you're somewhat worried. >> i'm somewhat worried, yeah, because some of the people that didn't want to vote for her before because of it, it could tip them to trump.
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>> i'm a little concerned but i feel like people have mostly made up their mind. now know who they're voting for. >> reporter: in the back of your mind, are you having sleepless nights about it? >> it does weigh on my mind sometime, yes. >> reporter: there is concern among some here that there is more to the fbi director's action. >> well, i think that the republicans, they ganged up on her. that's what i believe. >> reporter: do you think the fbi director is involved in that effort to gang up on her? >> he has something to do with it. he's being real quiet, but i believe he has something to do with it. >> i am disappointed in him. i am not angry at him. i think he has a job to do. i'm disappointed he did not put forward more information. >> reporter: derek daniel arrived 9 1/2 hours early for this rally. he's enthusiastic and diplomatic. are you surprised there's so
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much suspense in this race with all the things donald trump has said that have been controversial? does that show a weakness in your candidate? >> no, not necessarily. it shows there's a clear divide in the american people. >> reporter: as this race winds down, many hillary clinton supporters have lost interest in being diplomatic about donald trump. or those who admire donald trump. >> i just think the trump supporters are voting for him for one reason, that they don't want any of their tax dollars going to benefit any minorities. i think that's the underlying reason he has so much support in this campaign. >> reporter: that's kind of cynical. >> well, that's what i believe. >> reporter: and something else many here believe, that the writing is on the wall. does it concern you that hillary clinton is not running away with this? >> hmm, i'm not so sure she's not running away with it. >> gary joins me now from cincinnati. did hillary clinton talk at all about her e-mails to supporters in ohio today? >> reporter: anderson, she did have that e-mail discussion here in cincinnati and earlier in the day at kent state university in northern ohio.
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she said she made a mistake. she has no excuses. and she said she has declared that repeatedly. she also issued a challenge to anyone who wants to look at more e-mails of her staffers. she said, "by all means, go ahead." anderson? >> all right. gary tuchman. thanks very much. coming up, we're going to take a look at the role huma abedin plays in hillary clinton's administration. hillary clinton, she's really, huma abedin is her longest serving, probably most loyal aide. what we know about their working relationship, next. what? is he gone?? finally, i thought he'd never leave... tv character: why are you texting my man at 2 a.m.? no... if you want someone to leave you alone,
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welcome back. just in case you forgot how bizarre this election is, this late in the game potential twist in the e-mail story all goes back to anthony weiner. it was his sexting scandal investigation that led to the discovery of the new e-mails. in the past trump has called weiner a psychologically disturbed perv. here's what he said at a rally in michigan today. >> we can be sure that what is in those e-mails is absolutely devastating. i think we're going to find out, by the way. for the first time. thank you, huma. thank you, huma. good job, huma. >> again, just speaking facts, no one, including donald trump, knows what is in the e-mails. we know huma abedin has been in clinton's >> reporter: for the last two
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decades, it has been hillary and huma. one of clinton's longest serving and most loyal aides, a permanent fixture in clinton's daily orbit. it was 1996 when the two first met. clinton, then first lady. abdine, a white house intern. accepting a prestigious white house internship, assigned to work with the first lady's chief of staff. their bond and trust forged during that time turned in to a partnership that would outlast many of clinton's other relationships. huma has remained by her side ever since, working on clinton's senate run for the 2008 presidential bid as the candidate's essential right-hand woman on the campaign trail, in the state department. >> i will be take nothing further comments. >> reporter: traveling the world
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alongside clnl as hinton chief staff. >> unconfirmed, yeah. >> and rising now to chis chairwoman of the clinton campaign. >> she's on the road a lot. and, i just -- you know, am there to help keep it all together and help people be at their best, including my boss. >> their connection goes beyond work. they are friends. e-mails released by the state department show a flood of correspondents between the two, highlighting their closeness. one in 2009 shows clinton e-mailing huma to come over to her house in d.c. for a chat. quote, i'm up now, so come when you are able. just knock on the door to the bedroom if it's closed. in other casual exchanges, the two checking in on each other during the middle of the night. are you still awake? are you? just woke up and saw this, clinton responds. and others, almost read like gossipy girlfriends. huma once writing in the subject line, all good here. have lots of stories. clinton has been known to refer to huma as a second daughter. and it was clinton who first introduced huma to former congressman, anthony weiner. when the two wed in 2010, their wedding officiated by bill
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clinton. later, it was hillary clinton, who helped huma through the public fall of her now-estranged husband over her sexting scandal. >> our marriage, like many others, has had its ups and its downs. it took a lot of work and a whole lot of therapy to get to a place where i could forgive anthony. >> sunlen serfaty, cnn, washington. >> again, we have no idea what's in these e-mails, so we don't know what, if any, impact this will have on clinton, but it is unwelcome attention for huma abedin, who has had no shortage of that in recent years. joining me now, cnn analyst, gloria borger. gloria, given the length of time these two have been working together and their loyalty to each other, do you think there comes a point where huma abedin becomes too much of a distraction? >> i think that's why we haven't seen her on the campaign trail in recent days.
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and i think it's as much for hillary clinton as it is for huma, herself. in politics, when you're the politician, you always need someone that you can trust, rely on, who's with you all the time. somebody that you can bounce things off of, in a personal way, because, particularly, traveling on a presidential campaign, you're in a bubble. and i think hillary clinton over the years, whether it was at the state department or as first lady, has always depended on huma that way. and i think it's probably very difficult for both of them right now, because they're so personally close, and i think that huma has to kind of disengage herself to a certain degree. and hillary clinton has to let her do that. the question is, going forward, does she come back on the campaign trail? if hillary clinton were to win, would huma abedin now not be able to serve in any way in the government? >> yeah, laura, what do you think of that? >> i think it depends entirely
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on what, if anything, is in these e-mails. it could be a big nothing at the end of the day. it could be something minor. if that's the case, i don't think there's much doubt that if hillary clinton is elected, then huma abedin will come back with her to the white house. now, if there is something serious, then hillary clinton is going to potentially have a hard decision to make. she has been very loyal to people who are close to her. some people say to a fault. of course, others say that there have been people who have been thrown off the bus, off the clinton bus at times, and no looking back. so it just sort of depends on the situation. i think that it will be very hard for hillary to move forward without her, because of the bond that she feels, and also because she the does rely on her. i think we'll have to see what's in these e-mails. >> and you look at the wikileaks releases and the e-mails from doug band about huma abedin and
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the clinton foundation. huma abedin seems to be the gatekeeper for many people to actually get to hillary clinton. >> and to know what hillary clinton is thinking at any particular time. and the e-mail that sunlen was mentioning, also, hillary saying, just come on up and knock on the door. people know what a close relationship they have. >> and i think beyond the close personal relationship, getting at what you were just talking about, anderson, she is the gatekeeper to hillary. she knows what hillary will want. she helps manage her sort of sprawling network of politics. she figures out what kind of paper the candidate needs to see, she figures out who gets in to see her. she figures out who gets in to see her. those are very important jobs in any kind of office. >> access is power. she is the person who grants or denies access. >> exactly. and that's why another controversy she was wrapped up in, at the state department, is that a lot of the e-mails from her state department account show clinton foundation people e-mailing her, seeking favors from the state department. that's likely because she's the one they knew. she was the one who was the access to the secretary. >> and if huma were to refuse something, you would know not to take it any further. that huma would be the one to say, i don't think the secretary
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will do this. i think she'd like to know that. we can set this up, we can't set this up. so gatekeeper extraordinaire. >> it is a testament to the power of their relationship, the fact that it -- they maintained that relationship, even during the whole anthony weiner implosion. i mean, the ultimate anthony weiner implosions. >> i don't know if it's that surprising at the end of the day. if anybody understands what it's like to be publicly embarrassed by their husband's sexual misconduct, i think it's hillary clinton. >> right. >> i think that i'm not surprised at all that she stuck by her through that. i don't think that's ever going to be the issue, for hillary. in fact, you saw in august, that was the final straw, when it came out that he, anthony weiner, had continued sexting people, after the mayoral race, and sent a sexually explicit photo to someone with their son lying on the bed with them. that was the final straw. than when the relationship was over and i'm sure hillary approved. >> and i think hillary's
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instinct would be to protect her rather than to throw her aside. >> laura meckler, great to have you on, gloria borger, as well. coming up, another hour of "360," what we know about the latest decision of james comey's decision to open up a political can of worms with eight days to go in the election day. does he stand by that decision and how long will this investigation take? what we're learning, next. it's easy to love your laxative... ...when that lax loves your body back. only miralax hydrates, eases, and softens to unblock naturally. so you have peace of mind from start to finish. love your laxative. miralax. ♪ ♪
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