tv Situation Room With Wolf Blitzer CNN November 4, 2016 2:00pm-3:01pm PDT
. ♪ happening now, breaking news. the final push, locked in a very tight race, the candidates are going all out to round up votes on the last weekend before election day with help from family and high-powered friends. cnn has learned donald trump is going all out, spending millions of dollars on a very unusual last-minute ad strategy. long and narrow road. our new map shows hillary clinton right now is short of the electoral votes needed to win the white house, but she's clinging to a lead and trump still has a very difficult path to get over the top. election day threat. growing concern that russia will launch cyber attacks in a bid to undermine the voting in america. and law enforcement is also on alert for potential terror attacks tied to the balloting. plus fox and hound. star news anchor megyn kelly is
reportedly accusing former fox news boss roger ailes of sexually harassing her repeatedly. why she kept things secret for a decade. i'm wolf blitzer. you're in "the situation room." breaking news, just four days before the election, four states are seeing a shift in mood enough to change cnn's electoral votes and our new map shows hillary clinton is just short of that number, but clinton is clinging to a lead and is working to try to shore up support behind that so-called blue wall of states that tend to vote democratic. and democrats are confident they have the ground game to grind out crucial wins in battleground states. donald trump still has an uphill path with many paths to put together an electoral majority. he's making a final push through
ten states and cnn has learned that trump is spending millions of dollars on a highly unusual advertising bid in a final bid to win over votes. the close race and anxiety over the outcome seems to be affecting financial markets. the s&p 500 closed down for a ninth straight day. that's the longest losing streak in 36 years. there are also growing concerns tonight that russia may be planning election day cyber attacks aimed at misleading voters and sowing doubt about the electoral system here in the united states. homeland security is working with states to spot and combat any hacks and law enforcement is also on the lookout for possible terror attacks tied to the election following online chatter among al qaeda loyali s loyalists. plus troubling new reports tonight that fox news anchor megyn kelly is accusing former boss, roger ailes, of repeated sexual harassment. the allegations kept secret for a decade reportedly are revealed in kelly's fourth coming book.
i'll speak with a top trump advisor, former new york city mayor rudy giuliani, and our correspondents, analysts an guests will have full coverage of the day's top stories. let's begin with brian stelter who has breaking news on an unusual and expensive ad by donald trump. stand by for a moment. i want to quickly go to cnn politics reporter sara murray, who's on the campaign trail in pennsylvania. first of all, sara, donald trump is hammering hillary clinton in these final days. what's the latest? >> reporter: that's right, wolf. we've reached the final stretch of the campaign where candidates are hustling through multiple battleground states and on both sides television ad spending will reach nearly $100 million. if you were hoping for an uplifting ad to this campaign, think again. we're hearing nothing but attacks from donald trump today on the campaign trail. 2016's toxic presidential
contest led by two deeply unpopular candidates is coming to a close in fitting fashion. >> hillary clinton is under fbi investigation again after her e-mails were found on pervert anthony weiner's laptop. >> how did hillary end up filthy rich? pay-to-play politics. >> reporter: donald trump amplifying his barrage of negative ads on the campaign trail. >> i think she's unstable. she's trigger happy. >> reporter: despite no new information from the fbi, trump is still tearing into hillary clinton over her e-mail server, and insisting she'll eventually face criminal charges. >> how can hillary manage this country when she can't even manage her e-mails. did you ever see -- hey, folks, let's forget all of the stuff. what a mess. all she had to do was follow the rules. unbelievable. and now she's going to run the country. she'll be under investigation for years. >> reporter: all part of his final push to convince voters he's the fresh face and she's
the face of corruption. >> she's likely to be under investigation for a long time, concluding in a criminal trial. our president. america deserves a government that can go to work on day one and get it done. >> reporter: with the polls tightening, the gop nominee is campaigning today in ohio, new hampshire and pennsylvania. and aiming to drive up his election day vote in key battlegrounds. >> we have so many great polls. but you have to get out and vote on november 8th. >> reporter: trump has largely been sticking to the script. aside from this moment thursday, when he appeared alongside medal of honor recipients. but still took the opportunity to compare their bravery to his own. >> they're so much more brave than me. i'm brave in other ways. i'm financially brave, big deal, right? these are real brave. >> reporter: trump's sprint to the finish still taking shape, but the gop nominee will campaign this become in six
battlegrounds states and is likely to wedge in more along the way, with stops in north carolina and new hampshire planned monday. his campaign continuing to be a family affair, as donald trump jr. hits the trail today in arizona and new hampshire, while eric trump barnstorms michigan. now, donald trump will take the stage here in hershey, pennsylvania, later this evening. pennsylvania is a key place to come and make that closing argument because there is no early voting here. the trump campaign says they believe the polls are tightening in their favor and that's why we're going to see trump come out here tonight and make the pitch that every single one of these folks coming to this arena needs to turn out and vote on november 8th. wolf. >> sara murray reporting for us. sara, thanks very much. let's turn to our senior media correspondent, brian stelter, who joins us with some exclusive reporting on a stunning new advertising move by the trump campaign. >> for every dollar the trump campaign has spent on tv ads, the clinton campaign has spent
$2. tonight the trump campaign making a big ad buy, $4 million, in nine battleground states and nationwide on "the voice" and nfl football games. the idea is to run a two-minute long ad. normally 30 seconds ad. here's a clip of it. this is from trump's speech
last month in florida. >> the only thing that can stop this corrupt machine is you. the only force strong enough to save our country is us. the only people brave enough to vote out this corrupt establishment is you, the american people. i'm doing this for the people and for the movement and we will take back this country for you and we will make america great again. >> now this speech three weeks ago, it was one of his most controversial speeches of the campaign. talked about the corrupt global elites, the establishment hurting the middle class and
working class. he's taking this ad, cutting it up, running the highlights two minutes at a time. the idea is to break through all the noise and all the ads in the final weekend. the trump campaign says they believe the message is positive. it's a contrast to clinton's negative ad. >> a two-minute tv commercial not cheap at all. brian, thanks very much for that. the tightening race has brought some changes to cnn's electoral map. david chalian is with us. david, it looks like hillary clinton is now short of that 270 electoral votes needed to win the white house. >> this is the old map. this is where we were this morning, wolf. she was just over that mark. and here's the new map after we changed four states in donald trump's direction. she falls just below that. what changed? we moved new hampshire from lean democratic to battleground. we moved ohio from battleground to lean republican. we moved utah from battleground to lean republican, and we moved this maine congressional district, remember in maine they allocate their electoral votes by congressional district, that
one northern part of maine, that electoral vote we moved towards donald trump. now, what does this mean for his path at this point? because remember, she may -- hillary clinton may have just fallen below 270 but she's still only two away. he's at 204. he needs to sweep every remaining ballottleground state
our map and the battleground district in nebraska, they award electoral votes by district, if he gets that one there, he goes to 270. hillary clinton for her part, back to our battleground map now, our new map, she's at 268. any one of these yellow states she can flip. new hampshire, the smallest one of them, and that gets her to 272. hillary clinton still has more paths than trump. his steep hill became a little less steep in this map but it's still the kind of map where he has to completely sweep everything. >> still four days to go. david, thank you. david chalian reporting. hillary clinton is trying to
hold on to a narrow lead and as she tries to get out the vote, she's staying on the attack. our senior washington correspondent, joe johns, is in detroit, michigan, for us. joe, clinton is still forced to defend what's called that blue turf. >> reporter: that's true, wolf. hillary clinton just took the stage here in detroit. i've got to tell you, there has been some tightening in the polls. the latest poll suggesting she's holding on to a four-point lead. but the campaign says the late emphasis here in michigan was always part of the plan. that's because michigan is another one of those states that does not have early voting. so it was always, they say, going to get extra attention as election day approaches. hillary clinton is closing out the campaign with a final argument aimed directly at donald trump. >> when you debate in front of 60, 70, 80 million plus people, you've got to have a sense of
preparation, readiness, calmness, composure, and i tell you, some of what i heard coming from my opponent, it was really hard to go what did you say? >> reporter: the democratic nominee is largely scrapping the traditional campaign playbook of ending on a more optimistic note. instead going hard against her republican rival. >> think about what it would mean to entrust the nuclear codes to someone. with a very thin skin who lashes out at anyone who challenges him. >> reporter: clinton is amplifying that message with television ads and seizing on trump's own words. >> our military is a disaster. when mexico sends its people, they're bringing drugs, they're rapists. >> reporter: her campaign schedule between today and election day reflects the tightening race in key sections of clinton's blue firewall. she's focusing today on
pennsylvania and michigan before turning her attention to battleground ohio, holding an evening rally in cleveland with rapper jay z. >> i know that if we have a big win on tuesday, we will have a big wind behind our backs going into government in january. >> reporter: clinton plans to return to pennsylvania and ohio this weekend, with additional stops in florida and new hampshire before closing out the campaign with a rally in philadelphia on monday night with her husband and daughter as well as president obama and the first lady. the president, keeping up his heavy campaign travel today, barn storming battleground north carolina where he slammed donald trump. >> we can't elect a president who vilifies minorities, mocks americans with disabilities. >> reporter: but he admonished the crowd of supporters after they shouted down a man holding a trump sign. >> hold up, hold up. hold up, hold up. hey, hold up, hold up.
we live in a country that respects free speech. so second of all, it looks like maybe he might have served in our military and we've got to respect that. third of all, he was elderly and we've got to respect our elders. and fourth of all, don't boo -- vote! >> vote! >> reporter: but the president is far from the only surrogate on the trail for clinton today. bernie sanders focusing on iowa, chelsea clinton in new hampshire, and former president bill clinton rallying supporters in colorado, where he took note of melania trump's speech on thursday. >> yesterday i never felt so bad for anybody in my life as i did for his wife going out giving a speech saying, oh, cyberbullying was a terrible thing.
i thought, yeah, especially if it's done at 3:00 in the morning against a former miss universe by a guy running for president. >> reporter: on a conference call today, the clinton campaign manager said hillary clinton had gotten enormous support in early voting around the country, including from voters in florida. and he described what he called a hillary clinton coalition coming together at the polls made up of latinos, asian americans, african-americans, millennials and women. wolf. >> joe johns reporting for us from detroit. joe, thanks very much. key house democrats are calling for a justice department investigation now, what they call alleged leaks from within the fbi that they say were meant to benefit the trump campaign. i'll speak next hour with one of those democrats, congressman elijah cummings. joining us right now, rudy giuliani, a top advisor to donald trump. mayor, thanks very much for joining us. >> nice to be with you, wolf.
>> two days before director comey, the fbi director, sent that letter to congress on the huma abedin e-mails that were found on her estranged husband's computer, anthony weiner, this is what you said on fox news. i'll play the clip. >> and i think he's got a surprise or two that you're going to hear about in the next few days. i mean -- i'm talking about some pretty big surprise. >> i heard you say that this morning. what do you mean? >> you'll see. >> stay tuned. you're lucky because we've got to go. i'm out of time, otherwise i'd keep pressing you. >> we're not going to -- we're not going to go down. we're certainly not going to stop fighting. we've got a couple things up our sleeve that should turn this around. >> all right. since then you've suggested you've had conversations with former, current fbi agents. to be clear, did anyone leak any aspects of that clinton e-mail investigation to you? >> no. i've spoken to no current fbi
agents, gosh, in the last eight months, nine months, ten months, certainly not about this. conversations that i've had have been basically with friends of mine that i work with on mafia cases and colombian drug dealers and white collar cases. an awful lot of former fbi agents are enormously upset about comey's decision, you know, back in, what was it, july. they disagreed with it. they thought it was a prosecutable case, so i've had lots of conversations with them and they have told me a lot about the -- i guess the disagreement between the justice department on the one hand and the fbi on the other. but it all comes from former fbi agents and it's all hearsay. and in that particular situation, i was actually talking about the advertising campaign that you were referencing earlier that i knew was going to come as a big surprise. there were about four different formulations of it at that point that we had in mind and i didn't
know which one we were going to use. but i knew one was going to be a big surprise. i wasn't referring to any possible information about e-mails or that sort of thing. >> because in this letter that has just come out from two democratic ranking members of respective committees, elijah cummings and john conyers, they say, and they refer to an interview you gave this morning. let me read the first two sentences from the letter. this is a letter to the inspector general of the u.s. department of justice. this morning rudy giuliani, one of donald trump's closest and most vocal campaign atd viers advisers, appeared on national television and confirmed that he had obtained leaked information about the fbi's review of clinton-related e-mails several days before fbi director james comey sent his letter to congress last friday about this letter. in fact mr. giuliani went even further and bragged about the information that he had obtained stating, did i hear about it?
you're darn right i heard about it. so they're saying that you confirmed this morning you got this leaked information before the fbi wrote to congress about the new review. >> that's not correct. i've had no conversations with anyone inside the fbi. i have heard for the last four months a tremendous amount of information about the consternation within the fbi, the fact that fbi agents were very unhappy about the way they were being treated by the justice department. that's all true. but none of it came from any current -- i haven't talked to a current fbi agent, as i told you, in the last, gosh, at least eight or ten months. >> but did you know, mr. mayor, that comey was about to make this -- >> i did not. >> -- announcement to congress about this review? in the interview this morning on "fox & friends" you seemed to say did i hear about it? you're darn right i hear about it. what were you referring to? >> i was referring to the
consternation in the fbi which "the new york times" has reported on and "the wall street journal" has reported on. i was referring to the fact that -- this has been going on for about four months now, this tremendous anger among -- and i got it all from former fbi agents. tremendous anger within the fbi about the way, number one, jim comey's conclusion and, number two, the way they believed they were being obstructed by what they regard as a pretty corrupt obama justice department. cutting off a grand jury investigation, cutting off subpoenas. i actually didn't find that out until recently. >> so what i hear you saying, and correct me if i'm wrong, you're now saying you did not know that comey was going to release this information about a review of the huma abedin e-mails found on her estranged husband's computer before he made that official report to congress? >> that's absolutely correct. but i did know that there was -- >> you had no information about na. >> had no information about
that. that came as a complete surprise to me, except to the extent that maybe it wasn't that much of a surprise because i had been hearing for quite some time that there was a lot of, i don't know how you would describe it, maybe revolution is too strong a word, but a lot of debate an anger within the fbi about the way they were being treated by the justice department and a lot of fbi agents feeling that the justice department had been corrupted, particularly with loretta lynch's meeting with president clinton four days before the interview. then the report coming out four days later. you couldn't possibly have written that report in four days, it had to have been written before. that was over the fourth of july weekend. i have been hearing that all summer and all fall. but as far as what jim comey actually did, i had absolutely no knowledge of that. >> and so -- and you're talking about big surprises before the announcement that were forthcoming. you now say that was the
advertising blitz that's going to take place over these final few days, that's what you were referring to? >> yes. actually that had several different possibilities at that time. there were a couple of other things that were being considered as what was going to be done in the last four days of the campaign. in fact one of them is still on the table, so i won't even talk about that, but it has nothing to do with e-mails. what i was talking about was a push at the end to try to get -- try to get donald trump's message out above the loud noise that's going on and a lot of the clutter that's going on in the campaign. >> so if the inspector general of the department of justice accepts the recommendation and request from the two members of congress to go ahead and investigate leaks that are coming forward not just what you may or may not have said, but other leaks that are coming forward, will you cooperate with that inspector general investigation? >> yeah. i don't know anything about leaks from the fbi or the justice department. i haven't talked to anybody in
the fbi or justice department. >> are you upset about the leaks coming from the fbi? you're a former u.s. attorney. >> i will not like the people around hillary clinton take the fifth amendment or ask for immunity. i have no worry about being incriminated like the people around hillary clinton. she seems to be surrounded by, gosh almighty, it looks like eight or ten people that have gotten immunity or taken the fifth amendment. i mean it's actually disgraceful that you would be surrounded by so many people doing that. in my case it's real simple. i've talked to no fbi agent, i've talked to no justice department official, i have no idea about who's leaking information. what i do know from former fbi agents is that we have a very angry fbi because they feel that the justice department of barack obama has been corrupted by the way in which loretta lynch handled this case.
she recused herself from this case, remember, and now she's reinserted herself in it. recusal from a case, wolf, means you take yourself out of it and you turn it over to your subordinate. so she keeps coming into it, she keeps coming out of it. the fbi tried to get -- this i get from public sources. the fbi tried to get a grand jury impanelled and they were stopped by the justice department. and i have my own view of these allegations going back six or seven months. i think it is clear that hillary clinton -- >> all right. >> -- committed a multitude of federal crimes -- >> just a minute. >> i know you don't want to hear this. but that are fairly easily prosecutable, much easier than cases that i've prosecuted over the years. >> what do you mean by public sources? >> many newspapers. there was an article -- there was an article -- several articles. i don't know if it's true, but there were several articles that said that the fbi went and tried
to get a grand jury impanelled back in february on the clinton foundation and was blocked from doing it. >> but let me ask you a question, mayor. if you don't know it's true, why are you suggesting it? why are you going on national television talking about these issues if you don't know it's true? >> well, i am told this by former fbi agents and these are people that i work with when i was in government and i find to be credible people. and i think their conversations all corroborating each other must be maybe at least a handful of them corroborating each other about the consternation within the fbi. it seems to me that that was probably true. also it's my own analysis. >> a couple of follow-ups. i want to move on to some other stuff. very quickly, did you get the information from former fbi officials or from the record in newspapers because there is a difference and you appreciate as a former u.s. attorney the difference, even a former fbi agents are providing sensitive confidential information, they
have a responsibility for the rest of their lives not to do so, right? >> no, not really. and the information they were providing -- >> when they leave office, don't they sign documents saying they won't release secret information, if you will? >> they didn't give me any secret information. >> but they're giving you confidential information -- >> it's not confident. >> regarding an investigation. >> they're telling me that there was a lot of -- a lot of consternation and a lot of anger about the conclusion that jim comey reached, which i could understand because i had that same consternation and disappointment in the conclusion that they reached. they didn't give me any facts. i had no facts, no information, no particular information other than that there was a big dispute going on. and then there were an awful lot of newspaper articles about -- like i told you, going to the eastern district of new york to get a grand jury and being told they couldn't have a grand jury. and then seeing a lot of these
people involved in the investigation, like john podesta's lawyer being involved in the investigation at a very, very high level. the lawyer who john podesta wrote in one of his e-mails kept him out of jail. i did not get that from the fbi, by the way, i got that from the newspapers. >> i just want to clarify the point about speaking to former fbi agents as opposed to current fbi agents. we did some checking, you were on the lars larson radio show and you said you are getting that kind of information from active fbi agents. so you used that term. i just want to make sure we're getting that right. we listened to the audio and you were talking about current fbi agents, at least in that radio interview with lars larson. >> well, the information i've been getting is from former fbi agents. >> so you misspoke to lars larson? >> if i did -- if i did say that, that was wrong. i have not -- i have not spoken
to a on-duty fbi agent about anything i guess for the last ten months. i don't know. i've actually never talked about this investigation to any current member of the justice department or current fbi agent. i don't know if i can make it any clearer than that. you can look at my telephone records if you want. i don't -- i don't, you know, acid bleach my e-mails. >> all right. we're not going to look at your telephone records and it's good to know that if the inspector general of the justice department -- >> he can ask me -- >> you're not going to plead -- you're not going to plead the fifth, you're going to cooperate with any of these investigations. >> i will give him the same answers i just gave you. >> all right. >> i won't have a public and a private position. >> on the lars larson radio interview, you misspoke, is that right? >> if i did say that, i did. i have not spoken to any active fbi agent.
all the information i have comes from newspapers, books and some former fbi agents. >> all right. let's talk about governor chris christie. as you know, two of his top staffers were convicted today on all charges in connection with what's called that bridgegate lane closure, that scandal. this is what donald trump had to say about chris christie on this issue last december. >> the george washington bridge, he knew about it. how do you have breakfast with people every day of your lives? they're closing up the largest bridge in the world. the biggest in the united states. traffic flowing, during rush hour. people couldn't get across for six, seven hours. ambulances, fire trucks. they're with him all the time, the people that did it. they never said, hey, boss, we're closing up the george washington bridge tonight. no, they never said that. they're talking about the weather, right? then southeast he knew about it. he knew about it.
totally knew about it. >> governor christie's aides, they both testified that christie knew about that decision to shut down the bridge. the prosecution said christie knew about that decision. you just heard donald trump say he believes christie knew about the decision. do you still have confidence in chris christie leading the transition team for the trump campaign? >> well, i have confidence in chris christie. i've known chris for a very long time, including back when he was u.s. attorney. and i take -- i take his word for it. the people who testified obviously had a motive to say what they said. you have to take that into consideration, right? they were trying to save themselves from a conviction. one of the ways to save yourself from a conviction is to say i was ordered to do it or i was told to do it. and chris has repeatedly said that he didn't know about it. so i'm certainly not going to -- i'm not going to turn my back on a friend because some people at a trial as part of their defense used that as their defense.
>> and as far as his role in the campaign right now, he's taken a very low profile. we haven't seen him on television lately. is he still in charge of the transition team? >> as far as i know he is, but i'm not -- i mean i haven't been involved with the transition team at all, so you probably have to check with someone else. as far as i know, he is, yes. but don't take -- don't take that as, you know, 100% correct because i'm not knowledgeable about that. >> mayor giuliani, as always, we appreciate your joining us. thanks very much. >> thank you. >> in the next hour we'll speak with congressman elijah cummings of maryland, the ranking member of the government oversight committee. he and his colleague, john conyers, have written to the department of justice inspector general asking for an investigation of these fbi leaks. we'll have that interview coming up. stay with cnn all this weekend for complete coverage of the presidential race. all-day coverage on election day. that's only four days from now.
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vote yes on 51. federal and state authorities are now on the lookout for possible russian cyber attacks tied to election day here in the united states. our justice correspondent, pamela brown, has bigging into that. how worried are u.s. officials right now? >> u.s. government officials telling us just today, wolf, that they are very concerned russia will cause mischief on election day by deceiving voters and creating doubt about whether the system is rigds. -- rigged. tonight heightened concerns over russian-led efforts to undermine the u.s. election. u.s. officials warn that hackers could tamper with local databases of voters' names and addresses to cause confusion at the polls. >> we don't know what we don't know. there may be hacking tools and
software in election systems around the country just waiting to be used on election day and it would be very hard to detect. >> already the department of homeland security has uncovered signs hackers from russia tried to penetrate state voter registration systems, though there's no indication they have been tampered with. dhs has been coordinating efforts with 48 states to prevent hacks, scanning computer systems to identify vulnerabilities. dhs officials at the cyber command center in washington are also monitoring net works for denial of service attacks. such an attack on election day could take down websites voters use for news and information. >> if you shut down or disable or undermine the communications that people are using to figure out where to vote and to actually deal with traffic and things like that, you could create massive delays and lines. >> u.s. officials say russia has been waging an information
operation for months to sow doubts about the vote, including hacks of the democratic national committee. widespread hacking of voting machines would be a tough task, since they're not connected to etch auto other or the internet. but officials would be looking for trolling operations disseminating fake news of tampering or vote rigging. >> it's almost impossible to hack the election but it's certainly possible for someone to claim it's hacked and try to influence the public that way. >> reporter: tonight law enforcement also on heightened alert for potential terror attacks around the election day. cnn has learned officials intercepted overseas chatter about targeting three states, texas, virginia and new york. >> it's nonspecific and right now we're assessing the credibility of it. we're geared up to go all the time. >> and we're just getting an update that the department of homeland security is now working with all 50 states to scan their networks in an effort to prevent hacks. wolf, i can tell you from
talking to law enforcement officials there's really a lot of concern about security on election day compounded by the fact about how divisive this election season has been. the concern is that someone who might be agitated by the toxic environment will want to act outcome tuesday. >> deep concern, four days to go. let's hope it's peaceful and no cyber attacks. thanks very much, pamela. don't go too far away. i want to get more insight from our cnn correspondents and our political experts. gloria borger, the road to 270 for hillary clinton seems to be still pretty strong, but not as strong as it was a few days ago. is that the result of this fbi investigation? >> wolf, we don't know. it could be, it might not be. it might be the natural tightening of a race as we get to the end of a race. it could be as a result of the fbi investigation. i don't think we're going to know until we see those exit polls after the election. what we do know and what democrats and republicans do agree on is that a turning point in this campaign was after the first debate and we saw donald
trump take a fall after that first debate. now we are presuming that some of this tightening is due to the fbi investigation but -- and it's a natural assumption, this hasn't been a good story by any stretch for hillary clinton, but the race is just tightening and we -- it remains to be seen why. what we do know is that on our map, which david knows much better than i do, we have new hampshire, which was leaning democratic, suddenly we're calling it a toss-up state. and ohio, we are now leaning to become a red state. so that's why the numbers look a lot better for donald trump and also utah we're now leaning red. >> and he still has an uphill struggle, a more difficult struggle than he does. david chalian, let's talk about what's happening over these final four days. we're told trump is going to visit ten states, hillary clinton is going to visit five states. what do we read into that?
>> we read that donald trump needs to go a lot of places because he needs a lot of states. we did change this map. it does become more favorable for donald trump, but that doesn't negate the fact that hillary clinton is still in a much more commanding position when it comes to the electoral map than donald trump. and so donald trump is trying to find a bunch of places that he can take. hillary clinton can be a little more targeted in her final approach here because she just needs to protect that blue wall, which seems to be holding right now, even if by a narrow margin. a new poll out of michigan, she has a four-point lead, pennsylvania a four-point lead. a democrat would like to see a few more points of a margin in those states but that is a significant enough lead that the blue wall is holding, so she's got to find one battleground state, nevada, florida, north carolina, to win and then she's home. >> i'm curious, david axelrod, you've been through this before, an insider in the obama campaign. >> much more relaxing this way. >> we like having you here. >> thank you.
>> with four days to go, the last time in 2012, 2008, were the polls pretty accurate or were you guys surprised on election day? >> no, we weren't surprised because our polling is very accurate but our polling was off of voter lists that were updated. >> this is internal obama campaign polling. >> exactly. we were talking with voters an had their vote history. itment less if a voter said i probably will vote. in a random digit dialing poll, they would drop that voter out and say that's an unlikely voter. it turns out that that group of voters who said they'll probably vote but habitually did vote who we included in our sample were skewed in our favor so we always knew or felt we had a four-point lead going in and we won by four points. the public poems were really too conservative in terms of how they evaluated the electorate. >> but now both campaigns are doing that. you have the republican national committee having a very sophisticated data analytics
operation, which they didn't have. they took a page from your playbook and decided to start working on that four years ago, which they are doing. >> but the public polling still doesn't views the voting files. >> exactly, exactly. >> nia, the early polling in north carolina ends tomorrow. based on all the information we have, democrats are ahead in north carolina right now, at least according to registration. african-american turnout, though, is down from 2012. so is north carolina absolutely a must-win for hillary clinton? >> it isn't, but they sure would like to win it because if they win that, then they completely block donald trump from being president. and that's why you've seen so much energy down there. barack obama down there today, they see a good mix, the democrats do, in terms of the kind of voter down there. a lot of historically black colleges and universities down there, 11, and you've seen different surrogates fanning out to those different campuses and you see college educated whites.
that's another target group for democrats to win. if you think about the way obama won in 2008, they very much targeted those five big counties and was able to swell the vote there. but they do have some concern. i talked to a democratic pollster this morning and asked him how he was feeling. he said a little nervous because they do see some softening in terms of the support among white voters. they see a drop-off of two or three points and that's a big deal because they really want to get about 35% of the white vote, which is what obama did in 2008 and allowed him to win in combination with the black vote. listen, if democrats win north carolina, hillary clinton is the next president. >> obama won north carolina in 2008 and didn't win narrowly in 2012. everybody stay with us. we have a lot more coming up, including there's new fallout from the departure of former fox chief roger ailes. we're seeing reports that megyn
fox news anchor megyn kelly apparently is about to add her voice to those women accusing former fox news chief, roger ailes, of sexual harassment. cnn's brian todd is joining us. brian, kelly is now opening up in a new book. >> that's right. megyn kelly is opening up with remarkable detail alleging that in one incident, roger ailes made an aggressive move on her and after she pushed him away, he asked when her contract was up. it has set up a heated exchange of accusations tonight between kelly and her disgraced former boss. disturbing and explosive new details tonight alleging even more predatory advances by former fox news chairman, roger ailes. this time the accusations come from fox's biggest star, megyn kelly, apparently detailed in her new book. >> it's a very personal book. it's revealing. >> reporter: in the book megyn kelly says ailes sexually harassed her repeatedly starting in 2005 according to excerpts obtained by radar online. ailes would engage in a cat and
mouse game, veering between obviously inappropriate sexually charged comments, about the very sexy bras i must have and how he'd like to see me in them and legitimate professional advice. ailes offered to advance her career in exchange for sexual favors. kelly kept these secrets for a decade. it's almost unfathomable to think about what she experienced early on in her career and how she eventually rose to the highest level of stardom at fox while keeping all of this a terrible secret. radar online says in the book how she details ailes took it further, writing ailes was trying to grab me repeatedly and kiss me on the lips. she says when she pushed him away, quote, he asked me an ominous question. whiz your contract up? and then for the third time, he tried to kiss me. fox news would not comment on kelly's accusations. through his lawyer, ailes denied kelly's reported allegations and the disgraced news boss's attorney pointed cnn to this comment kelly made last year to charlie rose on pbs.
>> i really care about roger. and he's been nothing but good to me. and he's been very loyal and he's >> but that interview was done while ailes was till her boss. ailes was forced out in july after being sued for sexual harassment. ailes denied carlson's allegations and ran a media campaign to discredit her. but when fox's part company launched a probe, more than 20 women came forward, saying ailes had engaged in inappropriate behavior and made unwanted sexual advances toward them. he then agreed to step down. now kelly is being offered more than $20 million to stay at fox, her star in rising, due at moments like this. >> you called women you don't like fat pigs, dogs, slobs, and
disgusting animals. >> fox is betting on megyn kelly as their future. roger ailes is gone, they paid the $40 million. fox sees megyn kelly as a bridge to credibility. >> reporter: in the book excerpts released, megyn kelly does not name the fox news supervisor who she come pained to about roger ailes. "the wall street journal" reports that her supervisor at the time was commentator brit hume who was then the managing header of fox's d.c. editor. he said megyn kelly never made a complaint to him. wolf? >> brian, thank you very much. gloria, roger ailes is supposedly this unofficial adviser to donald trump right now. how does this, if at all, play into the trump campaign with only four days to go? >> i don't think we've seen it play at all before this, and i don't think we're going to see it play much after this. roger ailes has not made himself very public as a supporter of donald trump.
we know that he is. we know that he was at a couple of predebate meetings. we don't know how much strategic advice he's been giving his friend, donald trump. i think the question of donald trump and women revolves around donald trump's behavior, not roger ailes' behavior. and so i think that while people will certainly pay attention to what megyn kelly writes in her book, it's a compelling story that brian todd just told, i don't think the impact on this race will be much at all. it's much more about donald trump himself and what donald trump's behavior has been towards women. > david, how do you see it? >> one thing i'm clear on is that given donald trump's imperatives in the race right now, i don't think you're going to see much of roger ailes. because his big target is trying to soften this opposition among women. this is why his wife was out there making the speech she made yesterday. this is going to be a focus of
his efforts. this is not necessarily a helpful story for him. >> the clinton campaign is making an issue of this. brian fallen trying to say the trump campaign should be asked about this. they're going to try to make hay of it, but i don't think many voters will associate donald trump with roger ailes and make a decision. >> the conviction of chris christie's aides over the so-called bridgegate scandal, is that going to have an impact these final four days? >> i doubt it. although listening to your interview with rudy giuliani where he didn't seem 100% certain if chris christie was still in charge of the transition or not was surprising to my ears. rudy giuliani is a very plugged in member of the trump universe right now. and for him not to say definitively 100% that chris christie is still running the transition -- >> it could impede the transition efforts. >> and i'm sure donald trump at this point is very glad that he
didn't go with chris christie as his number two. he seemed to want that. of course, it ended up being mike pence. chris christie was the first big establishment figure to back donald trump and now his reputation in some ways seems to be teetering at this point with the news about these former aides. at some point he was supposed to campaign for him, with him in new hampshire. we'll see what happens. it's interesting to think about the arc of chris christie's career, right? if you look back at 2012, there was a sense that maybe he should have run then, and after he won his re-election, there was the talk about him being the next big star of the republican party and we see now it's much different. >> it's very different indeed. i was exactly struck by what david said when i spoke to rudy giuliani. he didn't know, he said you're going the have to ask other people if he's still in charge. >> i don't know if that's a reflection on chris christie or
the trump campaign or the trump transition. i think that chris christie has had an awful year. there's no way -- >> you know, it's awkward when your campaign is all about corruption and fighting corruption when your transition chief is -- the fix that he's in. >> and jo podesta today came out, just wasn't even asked about it and volunteered that chris christie ought to resign. so they're clearly -- >> on a different note, david, i see you're wearing your "situation room" uniform on the air. >> this is the one i should be wearing. >> let me see that. >> this is the chicago cubs t-shirt, and i want to make a shoutout not just to the cubs, but the 5 million people who turned out today to celebrate the cubs. it was a civic communion like we have never seen in chicago before. by the way, it happened eight years to the day from when
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happening now, breaking news. the final countdown. donald trump and hillary clinton are on a grueling campaign heading into the last weekend of the presidential race. they're canvassing all the battleground states and plastering the airwaves with increasingly blistering ads. with just four days to go, who will gain momentumsome shoring up support, they're deploring their biggest guns as part of a drive to get out the vote. with turnout crucial to both sides, the campaigns are fixated on the handful of states that could decide the race. what changes are we seeing tonight on the electoral map? s