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the candidates are. mike pence meeting with the president-elect president elect to swift in the transition, and rudy joe giulia- rudy giuliani is a candidate for secretary of state. we're hearing about heturmoil o the transition people. what's the latest? >> reporter: there's been a lot of it. i have to say one week after an election, especially a tumultuous e lerklection it's nl that surprising. a number of thing have happened today. the headline on all of it is the second high profile republican establishment figure my rodgers, former house intelligence committee chairman is out. he was seen as reassuring figure to many republicans, especially on the issues of national security and was thought on the
short list for cia director. he's gone. of course he was hired by chris christie, who, as well, was demoted. so the question is why, what's going on with the transition. the story they certainly want to put out is this is all about a blinding of the campaign staff, that traveled around the country with donald trump and the transition staff that was put in place to figure out what was going to happen in the event he won, but there is also a question as to whether all of this is part of purge in the fighting between the establishment figures and the nontraditional insiders, and the outsiders. they say it is not a purge. coming in the middle of all of this today, the vice president-elect mike pence to try to calm the waters. reports of course that only purge that he wanted to preside over was getting rid of the lobbyist, which essentially
would be a campaign promise for donald trump, don. >> and joe, multiple sources are telling cnn jarrett cakushner, donald trump's son-in-law at the center of all the in-fighting. what you can say? >> reporter: he's a close associate of donald trump. he's been called his fixer among other things, he's been called his right-hand man and all we all know fixers don't always get props for being polite, but there are issues with kushner that have to be examined and probably chief among them is the fact that he has a history with chris christie in fact his father, charles kushner, was prosecuted by chris christie in the 2004 and eventually pleaded guilty. a question of bad blood there certainly the campaign says it's not that all, they're just trying to get their ducks in arrow. still the suggestion is at
donald trump tower, the transition stas stalled just a bit and they say it's only a matter of time before they get moving. >> joe johns, much appreciated. i want to bring in cnn exterior, to vanity fair editor, and author of the price of silence. hello. mark, you first. i want to and about chris christie out on friday, mike rodgers out today. what are you hearing? >> a couple things. there's talk about in-fighting right now, which would be expected during any kind of transition, but we have power center piece have to be aware of. one is you have steve bannon, someone who was considered the general behind donald trump's basically reviving his campaign and going on to win it. you have reince priebus, put in as chief of staff, some be who was well regarded of capitol hill, has the ears and the support of the republican leadership and as you were talking with joe, you have jared kushner, right now who is somebody who is very well
respected by donald trump and somebody who he leans on. now add to the mix right now, mike pence, some be who knows washington very well and you're going to get settle of friction when you have these folks come together. we are told by a high-ranking person a lot of this is being mischaracterized and the fact they are getting along and they are very organized and this is what you would expect during a transition. >> the highest person in the campaign is donald trump, and he is tweeting this out tonight. he said -- about the transition, very organized process taking place as i decide on cabinet and many other positions. i'm the only one who knows who the finalists are here. he's denying there's conflict and jared kushner, his son-in-law is behind it. >> right. a couple things, not too surprising donald trump would say that. there is truth, with drauonald trump, we're always wondering what his next decision will be and again he probably is the only person who knows it, now
there are those in the inner circle making their decisions but it will be up to donald trump. >> mark, it's a source of knowledge that jared kushner could end up with the top national security clearance as key advisor to his father in law, which is expected for him. the sources said likely -- it is likely but has not happened yet. what do you make of that? >> right. so a source of the trump campaign, this is a story that has developed over the past day or so. what we're told is there was a transition worker who actually inquired about this, was not altogetherized authorized to do so, inquired about the top security clearance. now the reporting we're seeing from gloria borger and jim acosta, jared kushner, married to ivanka trump, could get that top security clearance. we'll see what happens in the
ensuing weeks and months. fairly certainly he decides who gets it and who doesn't get. >> what do you think of this, william? >> also he's asked for the security clearance for his three children and you know jared kushner's father -- jared kushner is heard to ivanka and don junior and eric are going to be running his business and are going to get national top secret security clearance, that's troublesome. >> his children are supposed to be running his businesses and if they have that information, isn't that a conflict of interest? >> i would say so. donald trump has business interest all around the world and he's going to have information about his -- about countries all over the world and his children are now going to have access to that at the same time they're running his business. that say clear, potential conflict of interest. >> when you hear about people like rudy giuliani, by many accounts, has not exhibited the
best behavior over the last couple months. >> you're so diplomatic. >> i'm just being honest. he had a great legacy with 9/11, but if you speak to common, they say there was a different rudy giuliani, and the rudy giuliani we're seeing is not the one who -- post-9/11. >> right. >> what do you make of that? >> for rudy giuliani, to be seriously considered secretary of state, which is the trial balloon that's being floated. if he were to be seriously considered for attorney general. he was mayor of new york, prosecutor by nature, a prosecutor by interest, and you know by temperament, but secretary of state? a diplomat? i don't mind rudy giuliani particularly diplomatic or knowledgeable about world affairs. i think that would be a big mistake. >> what are the rules for a president when it comes to potential conflicts and the business interest and getting top national security clearance for his children who will potentially be running his business? >> don, the rules are that there
are no rules right now for the president or vice president. let me just read you a little bit about where we stand right now and what is required of the president. the u.s. conflict of interest prohibits officials from holding assets that would inflict with their additional duties, but congress enabled the president and vice president, are exempt from those rules and are exempt from earning income from their businesses as they hold office. they are exempt again from what other federal officials are required to abide by. havinged that, donald trumps that his children are going to run the businesses. we'll see what exactly happens, but of course it's going to be an incredible amount of scrutiny over any decision donald trump makes and how it could affect his business. >> how do you square that, william? wasn't it something they railed against hillary clinton for
foes potential conflicts of interest? >> mark susabsolutely rigcus is. he would have to sell everything, turn it into cash, and hire an nindependent truste to manage that. if he keeps his penitentiaries whi -- properties, which he would, we know donald likes to do things up to the letter of the law and if there's no law requiring it, he won't do it. he didn't have to release his tax returns and everybody was -- end the up being okay with that i guess. he's not going to put his business into a blind trust. he said what he was going to. do he said his children were going to run the business and that's exactly what seems to be happening. >> even a new space for the hotel trump hotel in d.c is leased to trump by the federal government. he's leasing space from the government which he will now lead. how is this going to be untan e
untangled? >> it's not going to be untan e untangl untangled. he's the lessee and the lessor because he's the head of the organization, the department that oversees that. having said that there's lease in place. i'm not sure what he could do or what he would do as president that would give favorable terms to the lease s. he going to and for the lease to be broken? is he going to try to sue the lessor, which is basically seeing himself? it's basically untangled, but i would say this. all of our discussion about donald trump in the tanglement of his businesses, this is going to be sosecurity, he's not going to be able to make a move without us knowing. >> and he said on "60 minutes" he's done worrying about his business. he's got bigger things to worry about now, and you know let's
take him at his word at the moment. >> also in 60 minutes it was ivanka trump came under fire after she wore a gold brace length during the family's 60 minutes interview. her fashion company sent out an e-mail showing her wearing the $10,000 bracelet and asked recipients to share it, apparently trying to profit on the appearance. it's simple, but poignant example. >> of poor judgment. she shouldn't have done that and whether she knew it was being done by or person or not, she shouldn't have done that. >> take care of that? >> i don't know about take care. now her father is president-elect of united states. up next a spike in hate crimes since donald trump's elect and i'll talk to a u.s. army veteran whoouse meal you w taken away when somebody wearing a trump shirt challenged his service record. to healthcare, seconds can mean the difference between life and death.
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rally at ohio state university. the student who did the pushing arrested for assault. the bitterness of an ugly campaigning taking new form after the surprise election of donald trump. build the wall, a trump signature phrase chanted by middle schoolers in detroit, michigan, taunting latino students during lunch period. the advocacy group, the southern poverty law center has researched and solicit claims of harassment nation wood. 437 incidents so far. 140 on november 9th alone, the day after the election. since then, reports have decreased significantly. >> say it right into the camera stop it. >> the president-elect made a plea for calm in his first interview. >> the incidents run the gamut,
swastikas, on the door of jewish students, trump nation, scrawled on the side of a latino church in silver spring, maryland, and sw swastika painted on the episcopal church in indiana. and this image of auschwitz with trump's name added, the message, this is in all of your ilk's future. hollywood days of subrogation is over. >> did you see my military information? >> and easternest walker denied a free meal at chillies, and a manufacture questioned whether he truly served allegedly saying he served? janua -- he served there. the manager took his side. >> you're taking my food away
from me now? >> even after he showed his military credentials and his service dog, chili's issued an apology, thanked him for his service and saying the manager has been removed. >> the senate defamation league that tracks and combats anti-semitism in new york alone, they say there have been fivence deb -- five incidents of anti-semitism and are only meant to refuel anxiety. don. >> thank you very much. joining me is earnest walker and his attorney tim t coal. thank you so much for your service, first of all. >> thank you, i appreciate it. >> we just heard a little bit of what happened from veterans day. explain your reaction there. >> first of all he really made me feel like i was almost a
slave who had to show paperwork to show my freedom. i do believe that i was singled out as a black man in that restaurant and if it were not for the past temperatures of the nation of this election, i don't think he would be as emboldened to approach me in the manner that he did and just outright label me as a black man trying to steal food. >> had anything happened like this before the election? >> no he felt he this the right and the manager participated in that. >> and that was -- that's the concern, that somehow this election has emboldened -- or given bigotry a platform. i know you started filming. let watch and then we'll
discuss. >> now, you question my military service and you're questioning my service dog. if you didn't see it -- >> now you're grabbing my food away from me? you're taking my food away from me now? >> i'm so sorry. you didn't provide any documents. >> yes, i did and they saw you. i want the police called at this point. >> mr. waulker, did police come? >> yes, they did. >> what happened in. >> well, obviously the officer spoke with the manager but you know, i tried to tell him that i need to file charges but he, you know, refused do so because i had been assaulted. i told him i felt like the president of the united states, who had to produce his birth certificate. my dd-14 is my birth certificate from the military. >> to be clear you provided
documentation that you're a vet van a veteran and was your dog wearing a vest? >> yes, he was and i provided other i.d., as well. >> do you know what happened to the man who originally questioned whether you were a veteran? >> i have no idea. you know, sometime when you're emboldened to treat people that way and you found out you're wrong you tend to be cowardness and run away. i have no idea, but i do know that company said the manager was removed. that does not mean fired, so i'm not sure. >> yeah, the manager was -- i think he's been removed but not necessarily fired and -- let me read this statement that reads from chilli's. i want to get your response. it says last week mr. walker came in to participate in the program honoring veterans unfortunately mr. walker was not treated in a manner our veterans
deserve. on a day we serve more than 200,000 free meals is a small gesture. we fell short. what more is chilli's doing for mr. walker if anything? >> at this point, we are still in discussions with the parent company of kmilichilli ep's and have spoken with mr. walker via telephone and expressed their sincere apology and we're working together to reach a resolution. >> why do you think this happened to him? why do you think he was asked for his i.d.? >> because he's a black man. this is evident of a horrific trend that is sweeping the
country. you've shone instances of racism and hatrehatred, and this is indicative of a much bigger problem. >> do you think it's a direct result of the election? >> i think it's a direct result of the people who were motivated and emboldened by this entire campaign. this campaign was run on hate and bigotry. it inspired a lot of people to hate. >> mr. walker, your service dog has an interesting name. tell us about that. >> actually, i'm glad you brought up that. he didn't like my dog's name. i told him his name was barack
and he really didn't like that at all. >> the trump supporter or the manager? >> the trump supporter. he rubbed my dog and asked the name of it and i said barack and at that point, he didn't seem too happy about that. >> as a member of the military, donald trump will soon be your commander and chief. what do you say to him? >> i'm not a member of the military any more, but we need to stop the hatred and reneeds to retract a lot of the things that he said and try to bring down the temperature of this country before we are looking like some third-world country. >> thank you mr. walker. thank you, ms. cole. >> thank you. >> you're welcome. thank you. >> and again thank you for your service. your people feeling emboldened to commit acts of disrespect and worse next.
campaign, simon sanders, and psychologist wendy's walsh. thank you, let's discuss and hopefully we can have a conversation to help people get through this. so, wendy, why do you think people feel emboldened in some instances to commit these acts? explain what is at play here. >> well, i think two things. social media has made this safe space for people to express things that are completely disrespectful, and in many ways egregious. and so they've now become accustomed to being trolls on line and so they figure they can do it in real life, but don you have to remember that all anger is a mask for fear and there's great deal of fear on both sides right now, whether it's fear that somebody you don't trust has their hands on the nuclear codes or whether there's been fear there's been so much social change, transrights, gay rights, the black lives matter movement. there's fear.
if we can get past the fear and understand that we need to get along with our brothers and sisters here, we're one country and we're all americans. >> there's a lot of work to do, but this campaign was so divisive. is it a mob mentality, what drives separate individuals all across the country in a bunch of different scenario rows to act out? >> i do think that it is a mob mentality and it was started on the internet with peoples' social media, which tends to be inslur, and helps minded like-minded people. plenty of these people would never say the things they type in real life. it gives them this power when they get near a keyboard. >> how much of this behavior double -- and violence that you believe, that you think is directly related to donald trump's rhetoric? is there a direct connection? can a direct connection be drawn? >> i think both candidates were forced into a swampy place, shall we say, as it continued
one after another and i believe there was a lot of misogyny by women and sexism and we got to this place it was a lot of finger pointing instead of talking about the issues. but yeah it had do with both campaigns and how ugly they got. >> representative kingston, the president-elect told people to stop it on sunday night, but rudy giuliani in the running for attorney general or secretary of state or some position in the trump administration said this. he told people to stop doing what they're doing. he has no more control over them then president obama or hillary clinton have over the gonnons a thugs in my city destroying property and taking over streets and yelling and screaming at donald trump. >> representative kingston,
gonnas a goons and thugs s. that helpful? >> i don't think it's help empl -- i think it's not helpful, or harmful, and the threatening to kill president-elect trump, i think it was called a packet sled, the ceo threatened to kill donald trump and then of course the ceo of grub hub threatened to fire all the trump supporters, so i think wendy's right. you know you can find plenty on both sides. i do think donald trump has exercised the right tone. i think hillary clinton has, as well. i think barack obama has, as well. maybe from the three of those national leaders we need to hear more of that toning down, so -- you know and i think -- >> i do appreciate that representative, but my question was goons and thugs by a member -- someone who is being considered as a member of the trump administration, does the
language like that help at this time, especially calm a nation that is quite clearly divided? that was my question? >> well, i -- i think mayor jewel ian is rudy giuliani, and the frustration in his own city and people are blocking the roads and keeping the taxpayers from going to work and in many cases tearing up property, although i would say the vandalism in new york city has been a lot less than it has in california or in po portland, but i think he's speaking out of some frustration. remember the important thing is donald trump is not. he is speaking in very careful tones. i think his speech wednesday morning was perfect. his acceptance with hillary, his meeting with barack obama. his message on national television to stop it, do not do these crimes in his name, i think was right. but i think there's some crimes happening, as well, that people should -- should denounce and
you know frankly, i think to quote barack obama, this could be a great teachable moment for all of america, that you know what, this just isn't the way we do things, let's come together, let's talk and i think, don, your shows have been good on that. simone and i in the green room, we are friends. we don't get along politically on every single issue, but we believe in the civil discourse that you have allowed us have. >> that's because we're normal congressman. you and i are normal, but what's happened in this election season and what's happening in america is not normal. i'm horrified. the internet troll and the internet bullies have been emboldened and a friend of my told me he was on the train and a wait couple got on the train and looked at this african-american train and said aren't you supposed to be on the back? everyone was absolutely horrified. this is not happening
everywhere. but it is happening more often that's not and we have to address it. president elect trump needs to use those twitter fingers. we saw him talking about his cabinet and his elections and his apprentice-like process on twitter. perhaps he should use his millions of twitter followers to reach out to those folks he was talking about on 60 monday talking about 60 minutes. he's president of all people, instead of these protests and hate crimes should be happening he should take that seriously. >> congressman hold that thought and i'll let you speak on the other side of the break. the mayor of the city calling michelle obama an ape in heels, we'll discuss that when we come back. "whatcha doin?"
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crime we're seeing and 71 arrests in portland, the republican headquarters in north carolina being attacked during the campaign proof that democrat operatives were purposely disrupt and trump protests and you know stories like these two kids from northwestern university who were caught painting the swastika and pretending to be trump people, later found out that wasn't true, or the student at the university of louisiana who said two white men beat her up and then that story fell apart once she started getting cross ex examin examined. all of this is relevant. we can't say all this surge and hate crime when some of it does not appear to be authentic, maybe it's a small percentage, but it's a disturbing percentage to me because i want to know howenthow authentic this stuff is.
i believe wendy absolutely should be arrested if you're committing these crimes. >> congressman kingston and america, as an african-american woman in america, i don't have the luxury to see if something is authenticated because someone is going to walk down the street and call me the n-word. >> it's not hard. >> let her finish. >> people are constantly telling me to get out of this country, take my baboone, and gorilla, and other things i can't ssay -- [ overlapping dialogue ] >> it is people that are in our networks, these are people we go to school with, people we work with, people who are -- who donald trump is putting in the white house with steve bannon, so we have to not only talk about this, but we have to give real solutions and we cannot normalize this and the last thing i want to say is a protest and hate crime are not the same things. violence should not be acceptable, but hate crimes are real. we cannot normalize hate crimes.
they are happening in america. >> please let wendy get? >> yes. i want to underscore what i'm mo hearing here from the former representative. he's finger pointing again instead of let's figure out what's causing the problem and let's find solutions instead of saying that side's doing it and that side's doing it. >> that's not true, wendy. i misunderstood me. what i said is it's going on, on both sides and i very carefully. >> and it comes from the top. and it comes from the top. when you have -- [ overlapping dialogue ] >> that's why it's so hard to have discussion. >> congressman let her finish and i'll let you respond. let her get her thought out. go ahead, wendy. >> when you understand that we have just been through such a divisive campaign where we had trolls literally running for president, when we had people who should be our role models, and in some ways we couldn't even hear candidate clinton
above the fray, and we didn't hear anybody talk about the issues. so many americans thought that was the way is okay and we don't have these role models. we really need to have good leaders now and if we have president-elect trump, then i agree we need him to get on his twitter with his thumbs and start telling people in america that we need to express love for each other. >> congressman? >> jodon, let me again say the only candidate who has said stop to anybody doing that in my name is donald trump. hillary clinton has not. has she said a good tone? she's not spoken to her supporters about this and again let me just make sure that people understand the 71 people who were arrested in portland weren't just for walking down the street. the people who were brockilocki roads and vandalizing police cars they were arrested for breaking the law. the woman in louisiana who claimed two white men beat her
up and later -- >> you made that point. we need to move on. >> the reason i say that is to outline friends we have stuff going on, on both sides of the aisle and names of candidates if you will are both sides and i think we should say -- >> to wendy's point -- >> wendy's point, everyone keeps pointing at each side instead of point ago i do understand what wendy is saying to you. stop pointing fingers and it is incumbent -- in many peoples' estimation, who started this because of the campaign on the rhetoric trail. i want to get to this point. there was a county employee and the mayor of clay, west virginia, they're out of jobs after the employee wrote on facebook, it will be refreshing to have a classy, dignified classy first lady in the white house, i'm tired of setting an ape in heels. my question is to you is could
this shed light on how much racism is out there and when it becomes public, there are consequences as there have been for these women? wendy first. >> okay. first of all, don, you know me personally, and you know how much that puhurts. i have two daughters who are multiracial and if anybodied that it would be a knife into my heart. this kind of discourse should not be okay in facebook, on twitter, in person, and we should understand that we all have so many more in common than not. we are all brothers and sisters here in one family and we have been led by a media that's going two different directions. if you look at two different peoples' facebook feeds one who leans right and one who leans left, you'd think you're in two different countries and we need to clean that up and come back to the table and maybe use next week thanksgiving dinner to come back to the table. >> i'm out of time. congressman i know you're out of time. we'll have you back. trumps he wants to be the law and order. how will that play out we're
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guardians: policing in the 21st century". >> since election night thousands of people taken to the streets to protest the trump win. what is your reaction? >> you know, at unique time in america's history as we go into this transition don, and i think what is important here to remember is that a lot has been said during the campaign by president-elect trump and i hope he begins to walk back some of the statements because he's going to have the awesome responsibility of bringing this nation together. and as we heard from your other guests, this is a challenging time but i'm hopeful frankly that we'll come around as a nation but we have a lot of work to do in a short period of time. >> rudy giuliani was in washington today speaking, topic. anti-trump protesters came up.
here's what he said. >> extremists. >> told people to stop doing what they're doing. he has no more control over them than president obama or hillary clinton have over the goons and thugs that are in my city, destroying property, that are taking over streets and that are yelling and screaming at donald trump. >> i realize that rudy is still claiming this is his city. i thought he finished that job. prem upset. feel disenfranchised. 50% of the country feels voice was not heard, candidate didn't win. i have no problem with protesters. dealt with hundreds of protests throughout career. >> i have to disagree, i don't think people are upset that candidate lost. have dealt that before. i think upset because of the tone of the campaign and afraid
that some of the things said during the campaign might actually happen. and marginalized people in fear. >> some people who clearly wanted hillary clinton to win. regardless of whatever her issues were and felt she would be best to step into the office tomorrow based on her experience and didn't feel comfortable with donald trump whose integrity also called into question. that group and people worried about all the things he said in volatile campaign and when you pick someone like mike pence, talking about the lgbt issues, somebody with record of legislating against the lgbt community in his state, fear is is that his agenda nationwide, lot of things coming into play. >> as observer of this and someone who paid close attention to discussion, protesters out there, many of them are critical of hillary clinton and democratic party as well.
that's why not so sure this is about left versus right in so many ways. >> well, don, it's about a lot of things that are gone on in this country for a long period of time. clearly there were and continues to be a population of people out there that feel they were not being heard. and you have a candidate like donald trump that comes along and somehow he wakes up what appears to be a sleeping giant, along with the fact that your democratic candidate, who had her own issues of concern to a lot of american people -- i just think there are a variety of reasons why the election went the way that it did. here's bigger thing, don. i think we have to know to be concerned about, how are we going to move this country forward? we have a new president-elect. that's the end of it. we have a new one, whether we agree or not, those thatwillor will not but at this point we're
seeing in this nation a continued separation among different groups of people. and we are the -- the president-elect i should say, is going to have the awesome responsibility of getting his own trust, developing his own trust and legitimacy with a lorj number of people out there who feel disenfranchised. we have to bring them back in and address the law and order piece as it relates to police and community issues which has not gone away. >> mayors of the new york, chicago, san francisco- all said won't follow federal orders to deport immigrants and remain sanctuary cities. despite donald trump's saying he will. do they have to comply? >> not sure if they do or not, maybe ask somebody on the legal
side of the house. but i'm not surprised whatsoever that a lot of cities are not going to change because here again we often hear that all politics is local and lot of local communities are going to make decisions for -- >> i've got to go. >> do they have to comply? ten seconds. >> if donald trump is going to force them through immigrations and custom enforcement, have to wait and see. >> thank you gentlemen. to be continued. thanks for watching. see you back here tomorrow. ♪ is it a force of nature? or a sales event? the season of audi sales event is here. audi will cover your first month's lease payment on select models during the season of audi sales event. (bing)
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good evening. thank you for joining us tonight. efforts to get the new trump administration up and running apparently stall bid infighting and turmoil in the transition team. that and new reporting on the source of it, someone very close to president-elect, someone inside the family circle. also fresh outcry from the floor of the senate. leading lawmaker took to the floor and implored donald trump to rethink his hiring of steve bannon over charges of racism. feelings are raw. would be an understatement to say emotions are running high. against that backdrop, president-elect trump and advice president-elect pence. met to hash that out. even as administration saw a strick of high profile departures. more on all of that now from our jim acosta. >> reporter: don't tell mike pence vice presidents do