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withdraws. now he's toast. jim is here this evening. good evening. 48 hours after the president's national security adviser michael flynn resigns, fbi is saying not expecting to file charges against him. what is the latest? also on your reporting that trump's campaign aides in zoont contact with russian officials. >> first on flynn. fbi said barring new information, not going to pursue charges. add in conversations he was forthcoming, if he forgot details he was not intentionally misleading. if they don't learn anything new, not going to pursue charges but learned his clearance to classified intelligence was suspended pending further review, i'm told in response to the conversations with the
russian ambassador, could be reinstated but right now no access to classified information. as far as the trump campaign is concerned, had multiple opportunities today, including answering questions from jim acosta to answer your reporting about repeated constant communications between senior members of his staff in the campaign and russian officials and nationals known to u.s. intelligence. and frequency of those communications and level of the trump campaign officials involved raised alarm inside u.s. law enforcement and u.s. intelligence. president trump did not answer those questions today. >> jim acosta will delve into this questioning of the president. here's what president said about the man he just fired. national security advisor michael flynn. >> general flynn is a wonderful man. i think he's been treated very unfairly by the media. as i call it, the fake media in
many cases. and think it's really a sad thing that he was treated so badly. i think in addition to that, from intelligence, papers are being leaked, things are being leaked. it's criminal action, criminal act. and it's been going on for a long time, before me. but now it's really going on. >> interesting response to say the least. wonderful man, not something you expect to hear about a guy he just axed. what do we know about how the vice president feels about this? >> well and first of all, back to the fake media charge the president made at news conference, should report that reporters went ban to press secretary sean spicer and said what is fake about the news reporters and basically told reporters i'll get back to you and at this hour not heard from the white house press office as
to what was fake about those news reports. as for vice president told by senior administration official he was concerned about the fact that he was not notified for those two weeks after the president was notified by the justice department through his white house counsel don mcbegan that there were concerns about what former national security advis adviser michael flynn said with the russian ambassador about sanctions and told the vice president wants to get to the bottom of it. but should point out in the hours that we've been reporting on this, white house is pushing back on this. statement on screen from administration official. nobody wanted to go on the record, we should point out. vice president in close coordination with the president and senior staff. has moved beyond this topic and focused on the future and claims to the contrary are false. >> and we were told originally,
there was no friction between the vice president and president, it is only natural if you're a high level administration official, you want to be kept in the loop about things, especially if those things involve you and you're vice president of the united states. seems only human nature that he would be concerned about this. but now the white house is saying he's just fine with all of it. >> on the vice president, occurs to me that twice in this administration, vice president has gone out to the cameras, the public, and said things that were later found out to not be true. not because of his own knowledge, he says he was lied to by flynn about the conversation about sanctions. but a month ago went on fox news and asked about high level contact between the trump campaign and russian officials during the campaign and he said no, that didn't happen. either the vice president didn't know that or he's not giving completely accurate portrayal of
events. twice on two major issues he's been out there -- hung out there in effect on those questions. >> and jim -- >> that's a problem for any administration. jim sciutto is right about that. j jim acosta talk about what jim sciutto set. what is the president saying about cnn's reporting about the trump aides in constant contact with the russian officials in the 2016 campaign? >> so far he's not saying anything about this. i tried to ask him that question at news conference with israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu earlier. let's look at that. >> questions about your ksh contacts with russians in the campaign -- >> comment on reports that there was contact with senior advisers
in your campaign with russian officials? president trump, no comment on that? >> there you have it. not only i but sara murray tried a few minutes later in the oval office. you can't really say that the president couldn't hear those questions. certainly heard mine in the east room of the white house, stopped in his tracks, looked around as to had a was going on and decided to move on. and sara murray asked in the oval office and he chose not to answer it. this is a question i tried to ask then president-elect trump during the news conference, the transition in january, and he just does not want to answer that question in any definitive
declarative fashion. today they turned to conservative news media, third in a row where they were called on to ask questions. highly unusual. going against tradition seen at white house for multiple administrations. typically wire services, networks -- and occasionally one called upon, but not three conferences in a row with conservative outlets only getting called on. >> thank you very much. bring in cnn's octavia gondel, david -- and ryan -- >> what do you make of the president ignoring questions. or coming out saying the man he just fired is wonderful. wondering if saying that -- he
said reports by fake news. sean spicer yet to answer jim acosta's question. maybe because the answer is his response is fake. >> listen. break apart your question there. on the issue of coming out today, calling general flynn a wonderful man and saying that he was badly treated is diametrically opposed to what seemed to be the agreed upon white house strategy yet when sean spicer, president's spokesman went out on his behalf saying the reason flynn was fired was there was eroding and devolving trust between flynn and the president and the president asked for his resignation and he got it. totally different story. i think we got insight today into the president's thinking about this. clearly talking about flynn, he did not at all express that what flynn did was a problem.
expressed by his spokesman. not where his head is here. >> thus the comment i made about the response. senator john mccain is saying about the administration following the resignation. then we'll discuss. >> i think there is significant dysfunction in the national security apparatus of the trump administration, when you see you don't know who is in charge, flynn situation, the whole environment is one of dysfunction in the trump administration. >> you've been speaking to gop sources. what is coming next? investigation if anything. >> it's interesting to see the fbi saying barring new information not going to bring charges on flynn. but we've been told the senate intelligence committee is going to really have a very serious
investigation. they've broadened the scope of the investigation. i'm told it's likely they will ask michael flynn to testify and likely go back to former intelligence officials. former cia director brenn and dye ea clapper. they want to know, old question from watergate. what did the president know and when did he know it? and john mccain and lindsey graham and others are not so lonely anymore. they've been the critics. in the last 24 hours seen senator ray blunt, bob corker, two senior respected people come out and start questioning the white house. i think that there is maybe not a sea change going on, but these republicans are coming out more and more to question. >> concerned about what is going on.
because the trump administration has not really given an answer that they find satisfying? >> correct. >> bring in ryan. president tweeted this morning. information is being illegally given to the failing "new york times" and "washington post" by the intelligence post just like russia. question is he can blame leaks all he wants but ignores answering questions about this or continues to hit the intelligence community, this story doesn't go away. >> put aside the fact he spent much of the presidential campaign promoting the illegal ex-filtration of john podesta and dnc e-mails that we believe were taken by russia and given to wikileaks, he was for leaks
before hes with against him. everyone has interest in bipartisan investigation here. if you're michael flynn and believe you have been smeared by intelligence agencies, way to get that done is give testimony in investigation. all these other trump associates dragged through the media in the leaks, way to clear that up is full and thorough investigation. range of possibilities is so wide. could be a series of strange coincidences that make it seem like the trump administration is too close to russia but there's no there there, at minimum, all the way to the unthinkable, that there was something far more sinister at hand here. only way any of us are ever going to get to the bottom of this is a full and fair investigation where everything is looked into. and that gets --
>> so -- >> sorry. >> go for it. >> gets to other question at top of the segment. why did donald trump dodge jim or sara's question? to add to the list, president would be well-served to answering these questions that we have. otherwise it lets the worst-case scenario hang out there. if there are clear reasons and fact pattern to be shared as to why his associates were in constant communication with russian officials throughout the campaign would serve donald trump well to explain that to the american people. >> interesting. and another bit of news. one state solution, two state solution, when it comes to israel, i don't know, whichever one works. discuss that when we come bak. they've got the parts, tools, and know-how to help keep . b. a. c. k.
all right back with me now, jamie gangel, david chalian and ryan lizza. finish up the russian stuff before we move on to the one state, two state solution. someone sent me a note, can someone just ask the question. president trump did you authorize anyone in your campaign staff to contact the russians about the obama administration sanction, yes or no. >> they've been trying to ask a lot of questions. the one point we have to make in all of this, i think what david said about serving the president to have this come out is all
well and good. except the one thing that every republican has said they can't wrap their head around is donald trump, his position on russia. he has never backed down on russia is good and putin is good. it's not as if he feels badly about this or he has a concern. and throughout the republican party, people are mystified by this. >> is this just as simple as he didn't have as much knowledge about russia as people -- as he should have. backed into corner and feels he has to dig in when it comes to russia? >> well you know -- >> that's a lot of leeway there. >> we've seen him adjust on things. he has noti adjusted on this. >> for time purposes move on. talk about what the president is saying about tossing around a one or two state solution when it comes to israel. talking about it pretty
casually. listen to this. >> i'm looking at two state and one state and i like the one that both parties like. i'm very happy with the one that both parties like. i could live with either one. i thought for a while the two state looked like it may be the easier of the two but honestly if b.b. and israel and palestinians are happy, i'm happy with the one they like the best. >> ryan. >> i'd like to see the proposal where the palestinians agree or don't agree to self-determination and have their own state. i think -- look, as he gets a little bit deeper into the weeds, he'll realize why for decades it's been everyone's policy, including nominally netanyahu's policy, a two state solution, you have to have a
viable palestinian state. a lot of hawkish israelis came around to that because they believed that the democratic and jewish characteristic israel would be fundamentally threatened in a single state. it's trump being trump, being casual, saying whatever works works. >> and people at home saying you're laughing at president. but response was so absurd, you don't know what to make heads or tails -- israel and palestinian state is tough and complex situation. to say maybe have the corned beef, maybe the chicken, whatever works, whatever you like best. doesn't play when it comes to that issue. >> no because words matter in middle east peace making and tiny little phrases mean a lot. and so to just casually throw out one or two states as if
there's really not that big of a difference is a little weird. similarly, offhandedly said maybe not build so many settlements for a while that would be nice. >> see netanyahu's face when he said that but anyways. >> changed policy on two major fronts today but in such a casual way you have to realize ba wait a second. fundamentally changed decades of american policy. >> four weeks into the trump presidency and every week another controversy and other drop. had some success with the executive orders but now with the aides in contact with the russians in the campaign. why on earth throwing a campaign style rally in florida? >> he's already filed candidacy for re-election.
did so on inauguration day, the earliest any president ever done so. that's a trump 2020 event. i actually think he's going to do a campaign tile rally because it's one of the happiest places for him. he's been cooped up in the white house, not out in the country as much, holding rally events where he can feed off the crowd as he did so well during the campaign and clearly thrived on that energy. i think it's going to be an energy boost after four weeks as you noted of -- other than the clean rollout of gorsuch, the supreme court nominee, every day this administration in its infancy has been battling brutal headlines, controversy after controversy and can't get out from underneath itself. looks like it's add to the
schedule for energy boost to the president. >> energy boost or confidence behind the president, more gravitas because bombarded with controversies? >> there's old expression in washington, when presidents -- when the going gets tough, get out of town. this is get out of town. but agree with david. this is what donald trump likes. when he first came into office he said do i get to do rallies anymore? after election day one of his first questions was can we go out and do more rallies? i think this absolutely is what he likes to do, in comparison to everything else going on, this is the good stuff for him. >> one point on this don, it's not that unusual in the first weeks of new presidency do rally-like events and campaign for your agenda.
>> didn't president obama do it? >> absolutely and bush giving speeches in south dakota about tax cut plan. obama for the stimulus and affordable care act. standard practice. what is weird here is trump doesn't have any legislative agenda to speak of he would be campaigning for. no obamacare repeal legislation, tax reform not written yet. usually a point to the rallies, stumping for agenda. maybe add that component. that's a little unusual here, strategic purpose behind the event is not clear. >> clearly needed in town. you said when going is tough get out but needed in washington considering the past four weeks. up next, can president trump reset our relationship with israel? some nincompoop stole all my wool sweaters, smart tv and gaming system.
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negotiations. here to discuss, fareed zakaria. the president hosted israeli prime minister and they talked about this critical issue, two state solution to peace between israel and palestinian. looking at this. >> i'm looking at two state and one state, and i like the one that both parties like. i'm very happy with the one that both parties like. >> so -- this is a major break from decades of bipartisan policy. what is going on here with that response? >> i think what you're seeing there is basically the breakdown of the national security process. the president was obviously not briefed. he either doesn't want to do the briefings, we know doesn't get daily intelligence briefing anymore, maybe nobody in the national security council can brief him. sounded so bizarre, casual and frankly irresponsible.
would be like at end of the soviet era, if poland wants to be independent but if wants to be part of the soviet organization that's fine. which part would say palestinian not want a state? fighting for it since 1968. and can't get sense whether it's seriously thought out or whether as often happens with donald trump is winning it. >> is that away netanyahu is laughing? for such a serious question, that he laughed. perhaps he's like what is going on here? not a serious answer. >> i think thanking his good fortune given this situation. there was another weird moment where israeli reporter asked president trump about the disturbing real rise in anti-semitism taking place in
the united states and whether he wanted to in effect disavow it. and trump gave a totally bizarre answer, saying lot of love coming out of the administration, refusing pointedly i thought not to condemn the anti-semitism rising in america. and b.b. steps in, let me explain that trump in no way condones this. why need noint to say this and not say i completely condemn anti-semitism and if someone thinks they're supporting me with that, i reject it. it's surreal and -- to see american president so under briefed. >> odd moments with prime minister may in the press briefing as well? >> not as bad as this.
there's another moment here where trump mentions a larger deal than the israeli/palestinian one. we have that clip i think. >> let's watch it. >> b.b. and i have known each other a long time. smart man, great negotiator, and i think we're going to make a deal. might be a bigger and better deal than people in this room even understand. that's a possibility. so let's see what we do. >> what does that mean? >> it's weird because he mentioned it again and again. might be bigger deal, might involve more countries than israel and one with the palestinians. s this has been in the cards for long time. saudis proposed it, arab league endorsed in 2002. idea if israelis and palestinians make peace, other
countries make peace with israel. endorsed by arab league and reendorsed in 2007. trump talking about it as if he had the idea over the weekend. there's something unreal with the lack of briefing and preparation, might be because flynn is out. >> did you ever consider being his foreign policy adviser? >> i think if there was a prospect this interview taken care of that. he doesn't seem to want to be briefed. he walks into these things. always negotiated real estate by walking in, talks about in his books, sensing the room and sensing how things will go. look, he won the presidency but don't walk into the room with the israeli prime minister and wing it on the two state solution. >> found it from him and many of his surrogates and spokes
people, answer to everything is we won. just because you won doesn't mean your right or have nuance and policy ideas and so on. back to israel. speaking to pro-israel group in the campaign. >> when the united states stands with israel, the chances of peace really rise. and rising exponentially. that's what will happen when donald trump is president of the united states. we will move the american embassy to the eternal capital of the jewish people, jerusalem. and we will send a clear signal that there is no daylight between america and our most reliable ally, the state of israel. >> and now it would appear that president is back pedaling on
his promise to move the embassy and also changing his position on settlements. >> so far as settlements would like to see you hold back on settlements for a little bit. we'll work something out. but i would like to see a deal be made. i think a deal will be made. >> what do you think the israeli reaction will be? in that respect trump reasserting finally traditional american foreign policy. has always been since the settlements began they were impediment to peace. on many of the substantive issues, said tear up iran deal. not going to. said refuse to recognize the one china policy, back pedalled on that. and on settlements and moving embassy. which are all good things by the way because all the positions he took in the campaign were irresponsible. and in that respect there's a return to reality.
and i snauspect that will happe in other areas as well but disconcerting to watch when -- clearly -- if president trump were briefed in a serious way before this press conference with prime minister netanyahu, i would be stunned because there was no evidence of it in the press conference. >> see "fareed zakaria" on cnn. coming back, james comey, is he compromised now that the trump campaign and russian information is coming to light?
word we've gotten is fbi is not expected to pursue charges against former national security adviser michael flynn over the phone call with the russian ambassador but doesn't mean the story is over. discuss with jeffrey toobin and john flannery, thank you both for joining. jeffrey, the fbi deciding not to file charges, does that mean he's in the clear?
>> fbi's role for the last three months is mysterious to me. how would they know they're into the filing charges right now. did they talk about the wikileaks and hacking of the democratic party and clinton campaign in the phone call? there's a lot we don't know. i'm not here to convict michael flynn but seems premature to announce he was in the clear. >> saying forthcoming so far. >> yeah but whole way you investigate is look at what people say and look at other evidence to see if corroborates or conflicts. >> the white house says flynn didn't break the law. >> that's interesting and self-serving in their case. but director comey could easily begin an investigation with no
new evidence and when he makes -- statements made and false statements versus tapes that contradict him and no probable cause to go forward and determine whether or not they have a case. you have to consider the fact that why would he make these misstatements, these false statements, unless it was consciousness of guilt? in other words he realized what he did was wrong so misstated it, lied about it, whatever is the characterization appropriate under investigation. i think the long conversation with the president feels like what benjamin flank lin said, we all hang together or hang alone. i think that's part of the problem here. comey and sessions are bad actors for us to expect and believe because of the apparent and perhaps real conflict, that we're going to get any "justice"
here and that's a shame. >> i'm not prepared to write off this investigation at this point. also congressional investigation going to take place. events have been happening so fast in the three weeks of the trump presidency. >> just been three weeks? four. >> three. we think all the answers we should have right now. let's slow down, see what the facts are. there are very good people involved in the investigations but don't announce someone is in the clear or implicated unless the investigation is finished. >> clear this up, why start investigation if there is no evidence and opposite. what are you speaking snf. >> comey just before the election announcing investigation into the e-mails when he had nothing new to go on, compromising that aspect of the election. and this quote kremlingate
investigation or whatever it's called, there's talk about sealed hearings, i don't think should haf happen and think i have lawyers and others asking questions instead self-serving statesman. >> since sessions played a big role in the trump campaign and was trump supporter and surrogate should he recuse himself if that's possibility? >> absolutely. and consider the fact, talking about conflict look at not only what we know to be conflict but appearance of one. he owes his job to the very person who may be the subject or target of the hypothetical investigation, what did mr. trump know and when did he know it. how could we possibly trust him to appoint a series of investigators to look at it. >> and not just owes his job to donald trump but sessions was active part of the trump campaign.
he's barnstormed around the country. whole investigation is about whether the trump campaign based improperly with respect to russia. i have no reason to think sessions was involved in that but he was involved in the campaign. conflict is really obvious. >> thank you gentlemen. coming up, donald trump called first reality show president but is he having issues facing reality? go to protect your vehicle?
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donald trump has been called our first reality show president. so why does he seem to have issues facing reality. here to discuss, kamau bell, host of cnn's "united shades of america". >> it's america and smumz murica. >> president has refused to acknowledge the facts with former national security adviser michael flynn and others in administration talking with russia. instead blaming leaks. does he have a problem with reality. >> elected a conspiracy theory in chief. he's the birther guy.
not a surprise when he doesn't believe the media when it's telling him facts. >> good point. go back to the birther thing, the advent of fake news. >> be elected head crank of the birther theory to presidency and now surprised when he doesn't believe facts presented to him by several sources. just for a second don go with me. imagine all that happened with trump in the first month, obama in his first already would be out of the white house. >> heard someone erin or anderson, heard someone saying this is not out of the ordinary. all accept turmoil in every administration. i have lived through -- i was born when watergate, when the president left the white house on a helicopter. right? so anything is possible. from then on, i don't remember this much turmoil since then when it comes to an
administration. >> no. there was nowhere -- just back to obama, nowhere near this much turmoil. obama couldn't make one false step. had to be always crisply dressed. think of trump the first couple of weeks gone to mar-a-largo to play golf and going to florida for a rally. doesn't have policy to promote. just want to see people and have a good time. >> you remember the vacationer and chief. he tweeted this morning. fake news media is going crazy. calling news he doesn't like conspiracy theories when he is the king of conspiracy theories himself. talking about ted cruz's father and president obama. >> his father with lee harvey oswald prior to oswald being shot. whole thing is ridiculous. what is this?
prior to his being shot and nobody even brings it up. i wish he would. if he doesn't one of the greatest scams in the history ever politics, in history period. you're not allowed to be president if you're not born in this country. >> what do you think? >> this is what we paid for. this is what this country paid for and now we're surprised it's not going that well. this is exactly -- we have seen this throughout the years. watch any episode of "the apprentice," i don't know why go that guy would be a good president. not how it works. >> lot of people thought he would be a good enough president. didn't win the popular vote but the way our system is set up, won the most people in the most states right? so he's president. >> look how torturous that is to get to that point. through the current math with the thing with the thing, here he is.
>> that's our system though. here's what he tweeted when the news came out about general flynn. he said the real story here is why are there so many illegal leaks coming out of washington? will these be happening as i deal on north korea et cetera. so when trump did. >> now he's basically -- >> he loved leaks as presidential candidate. >> and in the tweets insulting the intelligence community. first president to have the fbi, cia and black people mad at him at the same time. it's amazing. >> watch "snl"? >> appointment television and that and "black-ish" are the two i can't miss. >> love that show. let's watch "snl." >> then light terrorism this week when nordstrom's decided to stop selling ivanka trump's line
of clothing and accessories. okay. and that's nordstrom's loss because these are high, high quality products. in fact i'm wearing one of her bangles right now. it's beautiful, it's shimmery, elegant and $39.99, it is unbelievably affordable. okay? and don't even get me started on her shoes because these babies are real head turners. >> that's when i fell out. oh, my god. >> savage. if you're sean spicer, sure he watches that, read his memoirs in a year, he's like that was the moment i knew it was all over. the minute that pump went on the table, i knew my days were numbered in the white house. >> i heard that -- i don't know if it's true. were you going to say something? >> trump didn't like spicer played by woman and melissa
mccarthy, one step further, put spokesman in high heels. >> i heard upset by that. but thought it this was hilarious, leslie jones playing donald trump, you have woman then african-american woman playing donald trump and i don't understand why they wouldn't let her do it. i think she should do it. >> i saw that sketch. it's kind of a bummer. joke on leslie. give her a shot. we know it would annoy him and be hilarious. let's do it. >> i think would be funny. annoying part, i think all should be taking this with grain of salt and laughing but doesn't appear at least one person. >> as comedians we know it's fun to make fun of the people in power and if you know it actually hurts their feelings, that's the most fun. let leslie play donald trump and
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