tv Anderson Cooper 360 CNN May 1, 2017 9:00pm-10:01pm PDT
good evening. thanks for joining us. i want to take you to what's happening in portland, oregon. may day protests going on in several cities, including los angeles and washington state. things in portland, where you see video of several disturbances. the official protest, may day protest, was canceled by police, because, police say, of the presence and the behavior of what they described as anarchists. we've been watching of a group of 100 or more people, many of them dressed in black. some have been setting fires. you see police trying to put out
some of the fires, that were set through overturning a newspaper boxes, lighting those on fire. we also saw a flare being fired into or thrown into a police suv. the police also took that out. now, this -- that fire we saw, a few minutes ago, these are live pictures from kptv in oregon. with the official protest canceled, we've seen dozens and dozens of these people, basically, kind of moving freely threw the streets, kicking in windows in several stores. sarah saiber is at a peaceful protest in seattle. we look at what's going on now in portland. sarah, this protest in portland, the official protest was canceled. but clearly, there are a number of people that the police are describing as anarchists, who really seem to be kind of moving
down several blocks. just kind of in a uncontrolled way at this point. >> yeah. i mean, that's what seattle worries about, what is happening in portland. there's a group known as black block, or anarchist, if you will, that tend to get rowdy and viole violent. i want to read you some of what the portland police have been saying. a few moments ago, they tweeted out saying the anarchists had dablged windows and property, started fires, attacking police. if you do not need to go downtown portland, do not go. they are telling people to stay away from downtown, portland. they have canceled the permit for the march because they blamed the anarchists for violent acts. they have deployed nonlethal weapons in portland. they are warning people to stay away from downtown. fires have been set.
there's large fires that we saw burning on social media, as well as the police, talking about that, as well. saying that a police car has now been destroyed. so, there is a lot of consternation there, where there are folks here, who are concerned about that same group. the anti-fascists, who call themselves sometimes anarchists. and call themselves black block. >> let me explain what our viewers are seeing. you're seeing a police vehicle, with units hanging from either side of the vehicle. now, two police vehicles, with hefl heavily armed police officers moving through the streets in portland. as sara was describing over the last 10 or 15 minutes, we've been seeing this group of about 100 or so people, mostly clad in black, who have been just moving through the streets, seemingly at will. it's not clear from the pictures
because we're only seeing one or two cameras on the scene. but it's not clear exactly how the police have set up to try to control this crowd. there you see people throwing things. police have reported molotov cocktails being thrown. there's flares, put into a police vehicle, that the police moved in and removed from the police vehicle. i'm not sure that's the vehicle that the police described as being destroyed. you see that occurred just before we went on the air, of windows in a store being kicked in by one of the protesters. and there you see the flare being set and thrown into the store. we continue to monitor the situation in portland, bring you updates throughout the night as warranted. we're going to keep a close eye on that throughout the next two hours. there's been a busy day in u.s. politics.
the white house said president trump stands by his unfounded claim that president obama wiretapped him. that was after the president got testy when he said president obama was bad or sick. we begin with the adjectives the president and his administration are using to describe about two other leaders. like pretty smart cookie and very friendly conversation. the two leaders in question, kim jong-un and the philippines president rodrigo duterte. jim acosta brings us up to date. >> that's why, in the first 100 days -- >> reporter: more than 100 days in office esh, and nearly as ma questions. after weeks of tough talk aimed at north korea, the president told bloomberg he would meet with that country's dictator, kim jong-un. if it would be appropriate to meet with him, i would be honored to do it. despite the fact that reince
priebus said it's not happening. >> can you imagine a place where president trump and kim jong-un have a conversation, face-to-face. >> reporter: after the president spoke favorably of the leader of the rogue regime over the weekend. >> he was able to assume power. i'm sure a lot of people tried to take that power away, whether it was his uncle or anybody else. he was able to do it. obviously, he's a pretty smart cookie. >> reporter: sean spicer acknowledged the obvious. kim jong-un is a brutal tyrant. >> we have to see there, the provocative behavior, retched down immediately. there's a lot of conditions that would have to happen with respect to his behavior and to show signs of good faith. clearly, the conditions are not there right now. >> reporter: spicer seemed to echo his boss' raise of kim jong-un's leadership qualities. >> he assumed power at a young age, when his father passed away. and he's managed to lead a
country forward. >> reporter: and his glowing comments for r comments f comments for rodrigo duterte. he he's very popular in the philippines. the white house says, duterte could help with north korea. >> the number one concern of this president, is to make sure we do everything we can, to protect our people. and specifically, to economically and diplomatically isolate north korea. >> and jim acosta joins us now. what's your reaction to the comments on duterte in the philippines. >> reporter: officials were not surprised about the comments about duterte. he said similar things in the past. they were surprised by the invitation that the president extended for duterte to meet with the president at the white house. duterte has made comments or it's on reported that he's not sure he has time to meet with
president trump. it appears they will be able to meet at the azion summit later in the philippines. but i think it's worth repeating and pointing out to our viewers, duterte and kim jong-un, are not the only undemocratic leaders that the president has been praising. he praised xi of china as terrific. and he's been saying flattering things about vladimir putin in the past. >> jim acosta, thank you. joining me now, christian ye amanpo amanpour. it's one thing to say you would meet kim jong-un or detear day. they're different leaders. but kim jong-un, to say he brought his country forward, you can make the argument, he brought his country backward. there's untold people in political prisoner camps.
>> over the last week or so, he has managed to cement himself in power with unprecedented violence by north korean dictatorship standards. there's the famous story with the aaa anti-aircraft gun, mowed down the opponents. like the uncle, the military behind the scenes. strong man and other opponents. he has cemented his rule by this incredible fear and violence. and even the president of china, we read, when he was talking to president trump, in mar-a-lago, had only negative things to say about kim jong-un. and kim jong-un hasn't been to see the president of china. to be frank, nobody outside of north korea really knows who he is. but the idea of meeting with -- well, that's not completely out of left field. you remember president obama did that at one point. said he would meet this person, that person and the other. but obviously, every diplomat
knows that when you have a major crisis like the one that faces us now, with the nuclear north korea, they have to be the minimum, the maximum of conditions and events and rollbacks by the opponent to get a meeting with the president of the united states. >> obviously, carrots and sticks are nothing new in policy. but to say there can be a major conflict with north korea, and commenting him as a strong leader, kim jong-un, does that make sense to you. >> no. it doesn't make sense to me. being generous, perhaps he is trying to message president xi in one shape or another. it's not going to work with kim jong-un. here's the strange thing. his national security team has done a really good job of running a rigorous, deliberate, measured process of how to deal with north korea. they put a lot of thought into
this, including all of the travel by the cabinet officials and the vice president there recently. all that makes a lot of sense. and all the right pressure is being brought to bear. i didn't hear much out of secretary tillerson at the u.n., that we didn't hear out of the obama administration. they're realizing how complicated this is. all this is being put at a disadvantage, if you will, of the president's bellicose rhetoric and his inopportune tweets. all that is undoing and unraveling the very thoughtful approach that the national security council has taken this. >> it's interesting that the white house sort of trumpets the popularity of duterte in the philippin philippines, who has unleashed the police force to encourage the killing of the -- drug dealers, drug addicts. the jails are full of people. >> we're talking about 7,000 people have been slaughtered in the several months, almost a year that duterte has been
president. and the whole international community, the western world, the people that care about human rights, have come down heavily on him. but it is true that his popularity and his approval is sky-high, in the philippines. so, that's one thing. but you know, somebody like duterte, probably wouldn't be allowed inside the united states because of those human rights violations, if he wasn't a president. so, there's a lot to be said about that. and the other thing, can he do what the administration hopes? we've been talking to philippine and east asian experts today. duterte doesn't have influence. if the chinese president doesn't know kim jong-un, duterte, literally has no experience or pressure to put on north korea. >> i mean, admiral kirby, to christi christia christiane's point, it's not as if the philippines have traditionally played any role in the isolation of or impact on north korea.
>> now, christiane 100% right. they have no throwway in northeast asia. what they have been able to help us with, what we hope they will continue, is with the tensions in the south china sea. we have a mutual security alliance with them, that dates back to 1951. they are relevant in that part of the world. they have no throw weight at all in northeast asia. i thought the argument that the call was about north korea and about building this international coalition was completely empty. there was nothing there. it was a missed opportunity for the president, if he's going to call duterte, to call him on the carpet for the human rights violations and make sure he understands, while we have a treaty alliance, we're not going to look the other way when he enacts these on their own people. >> thank you. coming up, president trump, standing by his unfounded claim that president obama wiretapped him, despite republicans, democrats and the fbi, saying there's no evidence of that.
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president trump is standing by his unproven claim, that president obama wiretapped him. it's an acquisition that he made that president obama wiretapped trump tower in the election. how far has president obama gone to tap my phones during the sacred election process. members of both parties and the head of the fbi, says there is no evidence to support the claim. listen to what he said in an interview with john dickerson an cbs. >> he was nice to me. after that, we've had some difficulties. words are less important to me
than deeds. and you saw what happened with surveillance. and everybody saw what happened with surveillance. >> difficulties, how? >> how saw what happened with surveillance. >> what does it mean? >> you called him sick and bad. >> you can figure it out yourself. he was nice to me with words and when i was with him. >> you stand by that claim about him? >> i don't stand by anything. i think our side has been proven strongly and everybody is talking about it. and frankly, it should be discussed. i think that is a very big surveillance of our citizens. i think that's a very big topic. and it's a topic that should be number one. and we should find out what the hell is going on. >> i want to find out, though. you're the president of the unite. you said he was sick and bad -- >> you can take it any way you want. >> but i'm asking you. you don't want to be fake news. i want to hear it from president
trump. >> yu don't have to ask me. i have my own opinions. you can have your own opinions. i want to know your opinion. >> that's enough. thank you. >> there's no evidence to support the president's wiretapping claims. and it's not me saying it. i's pretty much everyone. >> we don't have evidence that that took place. and in fact, i don't believe just in the last week of time, the people we talk to, i don't think there's an actual tap of trump tower. >> no such wiretapping existed. >> it's been clear that there's no evidence. >> this outlandish claim he was wiretapped by his predecessor, it really ought to appall all americans. >> there was no wiretap activity. >> there was no wiretapping by the prior administration. i have no information that supports those tweets. >> did you suggest that your counterparts should wiretap mr. trump on behalf of mr mr. obama? >> no, sir.
>> ryan, i'm curious what you made of that interview. and the president's refusal to say -- he says he doesn't stand by anything. and he's standing by those comments. >> it's interesting because he didn't make a case specifically. he threw out some words about surveillance and said you know what i'm talking about. and didn't make a claim. it was a wiretap. then, he said, that the british surveillance intelligence services, perhaps, were responsible for this. and then, he said it was incidental collection and unmasking. there were three claims, each one was debunked, and there's no evidence for the wiretapping tweet or any of the others. he wants generally to be thought that there's something behind it, without making any specific claim anymore because all of the other ones have fallen apart. it seemed like he really gets
that frustrated. but he was frustrated he was pressed on it, which is a sign he's given up defending this but doesn't want to admit he lied in the original tweet. >> he referred to everybody is talking about it. it's a verbal tick he uses, at least during the campaign we heard it a lot. he said this should be number one topic of discussion, surveillance. >> he's the president. if he wants it to be number one, it will be. i've been scratching my head about this one because it's false. he repeats it. and i think the simplest explanation -- tit's this. here's my theory. joe lewis, a great prize fighter. he fought for too long. why are you fight one more fight? you're washed up. he said, fighters fight. l liars lie. i had forgotten about that, even. i was ready to g on to the next issue. the fight over health care.
he just can't stop himself. that's the only thing i can think of. it's a simple thing. he told a lie and he's going to repeat that lie, when his own head of the fbi, his head of the nsa -- the republican senate majority leader says it's false. >> it's interesting to hear the president of the united states say, we need to find out what the hell is going on. that's what he said, a number of things on the campaign. he is president of the united states. he can call in the head of the fbi, the head of the nsa and say, what the heck is going on with surveillance? he has access to all of the information out there about surveillance in the united states. the idea that somehow he doesn't know what's going on, seems odd, no? >> you have a point. and i think that the american people te serdeserve to see the documents, redact the classified information. show the american people what's out there. i don't think the president's a liar. i know he's not a liar.
i think he's guilty of inprecision if anything. i think perhaps he saw the susan rice unmasking documents. it led him the send that tweet. it was an inprecise tweet. it was one that twitter wasn't the best medium. there are questions about the survey lebs of american citizens. the unmasking by the obama administration officials. >> unmasking is not what the president was talking about initially. that's not tapping -- i'm asking -- >> that's surveillance. >> there is a case to be made that wiretapping is a term that's been used since the '80s, to mean surveillance in a broader means, a broader way. it can be defined broader -- >> just one correction on the timeline. he sent the tweet and called it a wiretap and learned from nunes in a meeting about the allegedly unmasking. he could not have been sending that tweet out thinking this was a scandal about unmasking.
that he has told us he learned weeks later. >> but let me say this. i was in congress when we passed the patriot act. i was in congress and got classified wreied briefing on e snowden's -- >> edward. >> i think there should be a lot of concern, democrat and republican, on surveillance of american people, during the meta data debate. we track your phone calls but we don't listen. we don't track your phone calls. we got a lot of different answers and mixed signals from the intelligence committee. and i've been in the skids where they talk to yu. and you wonder, how much information do these people have on us? and what do they do? >> that was nothing that the president talked about. >> he talked about surveillance. and i agree with joe lewis. he's a fighter. i'm stopping there, paul. he's a fighter. >> he talked about surveillance now. he was talking about president obama wiretapping his phones in trump tower.
that's the tweet right there. how low has president obama gone to tap my phones, tap is misspelled. this bad or sick guy. >> with tweeting, it's horseshoes, close enough. and this was close enough. i think kayleigh's right. we don't know what he knew, when he knew it. >> by his own timeline, the president sent that tweet out, and several weeks later, devon nunes said i have information you should see. i was right about that tweet. by that timeline -- >> that came from the white house. >> that came from his own aide. >> if you accept that information, this is a story, was scandalous, the president said he did not see it until long after. >> this has been litigated in public for a long time. it's interesting, and something that john dickerson asked him about. the fact he is sticking by -- he hasn't seemed to in any way be willing to acknowledge any fault or -- >> one thing i think this has
serious implications. let's be the most generous interpretation. the original tweet, he didn't know what he was saying. it's horseshoes. what he is really concerned about is collection under 702 of the fisa act. and it's sweeping up too many americans, communications, and he didn't like the fact that white house officials could unmask people. that section is the most important tool to the intelligence agencies. it is the number tool they use to prevent terrorist attacks in this country. it is up for authorization this summer. it's been fed to a steady diet that 702 and nsa are tapping your phones illegally. and they can intercept anything they want. with the debate he started sacrifices 702 and republicans turn against that, that's going to have major implications. >> that debate started when the patriot act was passed originally. and eric snowden has become a --
>> edward. >> edward, excuse me. >> i'm saying that trump has aligned himself -- i'm saying that trump has aligned himself with snowden on this issue. and he's got to make a decision. >> more specific, when you have susan rice, an obama administration official, admitting on national television, i can't deny or confirm whether -- >> the democrats have looked at that. and according to the reporting by cnn, there's no there there. >> that's what the american citizens need to see the documents. >> it will come out. i would say -- i'll go back to joe lewis' quote on susan rice. this is a woman who said there was no genocide in rwanda. >> the president -- the president of the united states -- the president of the united states of america has accused his predecessor of violating the law and the constitution by wiretapping him. that is a -- it's a provocation. he has --
>> the outcome, they lose this tool, that's going to be a big deal. >> we have to leave it there. the new republican health care plan is on the verge of failure. where the whip stands tonight. and why gop congressman says the list of no votes could be longer than expected. and we're keeping an eye on may day protests in several cities, after arrests in portland and protesters destroying property. more than one flavor, or texture, or color. a good clean salad is so much more than green. and with panera catering, more for your event. panera. food as it should be. but with my back pain i couldn't sleep or get up in time. then i found aleve pm. the only one to combine a safe sleep aid plus the 12 hour pain relieving strength of aleve. and now. i'm back! aleve pm for a better am.
the republican ert efforts repeal and replace obamacare are in trouble again. the white house was optimistic they could pass on wednesday. but now, there's 20 house republicans as no votes. two more no votes and the bill fails. 17 republicans remain undecided. among the issues, an amendment that weakens protections of those with pre-existing conditions. i spoke with charlie dent, the leader of the centrist tuesday group. congressman dent, you said you're a no on the new version of the health care bill. what needs to happen to get to
yes? and do you believe the legislation is going to pass the house in the current form. >> thank you for having me on the program. first, let me say this, the bill in its current form is problematic for a few reasons. one, the medicaid provisions are challenging. the bill does not provide a soft enough landing for states like mine who have expanded medicaid. that's the first issue. the governors offered a plan that i think needs to be taken seriously, to make sure there isn't a cost shift to the states on medicaid. i would tell you, too, that the states aren't given enough flexibility or the resources to deal with medicaid. the second issue, the tax credits are not sufficient for many people who are transition from medicaid on to the exchanges. many low and moderate income people will not be able to afford insurance. and far too many americans will be uncovered in the current version of the bill. the amendment makes the situation more difficult, because it removes protenctions
for people with pre-existing conditions. >> the whip count -- the cnn's whip count, 21 noes. do you think that's accurate? or do you know of more no votes out there that aren't on anybody's list? >> i suspect it's a little -- there's probably a few more no votes than 21 at the moment. i don't know what the exact number is. i heard numbers saying it's within two or three votes. and as many as ten. so, i would suspect it's probably closer to ten than two or three. >> you know some people who are planning to vote no, who right now, are not being counted. >> yeah, pretty much. that's correct. >> what are the biggest sticking points, besides the medicaid issue? is the fight over pre-existing conditions. today, president trump told bloomberg news that the bill is not in its final form now. and he said, it will be every bit as good on pre-existing condition as obamacare. do you think that's true?
>> not with the amendment that was offered last week. that amendment, in my view, would remove protections from people with pre-existing conditions. or could potentially remove them because the states would have the option to waive out of providing those essential health benefits. in its current form, i would have to say the -- as republicans, we said we intend to protection people with pre-existing conditions. the bill does not match the rhetoric we're hearing right now. >> you said that health care should be a bipartisan effort. will there be a higher chance of getting democrats if there were an effort to repair obamacare? should it be arepair rather than a replacement? >> i think the mistake that was made by the democrats in 2010, they muscled obamacare through and we've been fighting about it ever since. we should work this bill from
the center out. we have to get our rhetoric right. there's parts of the health care law or obamacare that need to be replaced. parts need to be overhauled and parts need to beretained. we need to enter from that perspective. >> what you're saying soundsen fromible reasonable. moderate is not a -- the lines are clearly drawn on this right now. >> since we the republicans take the majority in the house, for six or seven years, in order to do anything in a durable and sustainable way, to make reforms, we need to do it on a bipartisan basis. we're going to have a vote on wednesday, on an appropriations bill. not going to be 216 republican votes to pass that bill. we need democrats to help us. that's been the case for hurricane relief, disaster
relief, budget agreements, appropriations bills. that's the case for the last several years. i suspect it will be the case going forward. we need to assemble bipartisan coalitions to deal with infrastructure and tax reform. the democrats health care law, obamacare, is not as durable or sustainable because it was done on a bipartisan basis. >> i appreciate your time. thank you. >> thank you, anderson. great to be with you. just ahead, the violence and the may day protests in portland, after the official protest was canceled, vandalism erupted. there were peaceful protests around the country. we'll go live to portland and talk to jorge ram most, ahead. the all-new audi q5 is here. working on my feet all day gave me pain here. in my knees. so i stepped on this machine and got my number,
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our breaking news, may day protests going on in several cities, including los angeles and seattle. there's been three arrests in portland, where protesters have destroyed property. that's the video you're seeing right there. joining me on the phone is mike b bivens. how many protests were there? there was fire set on newspapers. and flare being thrown and windows kicked out. what was it like? >> it was fairly intense. at one point, the police explained, they have a slingshot. there were rocks flying around. the newsstand was set on fire. and there was more than three arrests. i want to say like eight or nine. yeah. there was more than a few arrests. >> and my understand was the
permit for the protest was revoked because of the actions of what they described as the anarchists. it did seem like these people, men and women, in black, were moving relatively freely through the streets. is that -- i was looking from the air and a few cameras on the ground. was there control over where they were going? >> i mean, police would try to cut them off. they would have the bridges out of downtown blocked off. that was a target of protest ps they had mixed in with the permitted annual may day protests. and so, you know, they were having to deal with -- police were dealing with protests, mixed pogmix ed together. once the rock started flying, and -- people were throwing pepsi at the police. for once that started happening, the police and the city, they canceled the entire thing and
urged everyone to go home. then, they followed the protesters through downtown behind them. like 80, 90-ish, black-clad protesters and throwing flash bangs or noise. very loud noise booms. and eventually, they cracked down outside of city hall and tackled people. >> at this point, is that -- are those protesters, who the police are describing as anarchists, is that done now? >> it looks like it. the riot police, maybe about 2, 2 1/2 minutes ago, the riot police drove away. and people recognize here as protesters. who knows if something be top off from this. the legal observers are here, the local media, on this corner. maybe something will happen. for all we know, there could be a roving band of protesters right now. who knows?
>> mike bivins, i appreciate you being with us. thanks, mike. the rallies being staged by labor unions and civil rights groups, protesting president trump's immigration policies, among other things. from his promise to build a wall, to the immigration band that's caught up in the courts. all this has sparked a wave of opposition, on display in some cities. earlier, i spoke to jorge ramos. that was before the disturbances in the protest. among others, the immigration policies. are you surprised the president hasn't been able to enact more of his policies? funding on the wall or defunding sanctuary cities? >> not really surprised. really for the hispanic community and the immigrant community, it's been horrible. it's been difficult. it's been 102 days of fear. don't hold your breath on getting a check from mexico. that's not in the mail.
mexico won't pay for that. i'm not surprised that the new budget does not include money for the wall. it's really absurd, as we discussed in the past. the rounds come by plane or with a visa. and it would be as absurd as if i want a fence on my property and i asked my neighbor to pay for that. in that sense, the wall, i don't think will work. i think a good immigration policy emphasizing legal immigration of the wall would be good. but on the other hand, fear is still present. >> in terms of the wall, the white house is standing by. sean spicer said the wall is going to get built. do you believe it will get built in the way president trump described it? >> not the way he described it. there's 1900 border that's between mexico and the united states. there's fences and walls in about 700. we have like 1,200-mile wall that president trump wants to
build. i don't know how he's going to do it. the estimates i've seen suggests that it could cost between $20 million to $50 billion. and it's completely useless. it's completely useless. when almost half of all of the immigrants come by plane or with a visa, why do you need a wall? as long as you have 20 million americans in this country, using drugs, and paying for drugs, there's always going to be a drug traffic in latin america willing to take a risk and cross that wall. >> for those who support the president's ideas on stopping undocumented immigrants from coming over, there's been successes that the white house can point to. you look at the numbers in december of last year, more than 43,000 apprehensions. in march, just over 12,000. so, there has been, as much of a 60% decline in aftpprehensions people crossing over. that's something the white house can point to as a success.
>> but i've seen other numbers, anderson. for instance, in the first two months of the trump administration, the number of arrests of undocumented immigrants went from about 16,000, in the obama years, the year before, to 21,000. what i'm really concerned is about the number of undocumented immigrants with no criminal record. mothers and dads and people who are only here working and no rapists or criminals. or members of any gang. so, the concern is that the new policy that trump policy, is emphasizing the arrest of people really who have done nothing, absolutely nothing, wrong in this country. they broke the law by coming here illegally. but we're complicit, when we're eating food, when we live in a house or an apartment, it was built by immigrants. we're all complicicomplicit. my concern is what trump is doing to terrorize the immigrant community. >> you don't believe that -- even deporting those who have
not committed a crime, and whether it's -- whether they're going out and actively seeking those people or whether the people -- under the obama administration, many would come and check in yearly. it seems like the people are checking have had to check in yearly, in safety, under the obama administration, those people, now, when they check in, in many cases, they are being apprehended and deported out. >> certainly. >> it clearly creates fear, in the community. but do you think it actually does prevent others from coming over? >> as a deterrent, yes. it's a deterrent. there's no question about it. fear works. but i think, when we're talking about undocumented immigrants, we're talking about human beings. and we're talking about people who are here because of us. we -- we have to take responsibility for that. they are here because they are working for us. millions of americans, you and me and those who are watching, benefit from that.
and there are thousands of american companies who are hiring them for a reason. it's a matter of supply and demand. so, fear works. but i think we're talking about human beings. and donald trump has a big heart, as he says he has, then i think we can do something. he controls the white house. he controls both chambers of congress. he can do something. if he wants to be like reagan, be like reagan. in 1986, he did something about it. he can legalize 11 million. you have a big heart, show it. he hadn't showed it,y et. >> jorge ramos, thank you. it's not a secret, that president trump is a fan of andrew jackson. he keeps a portrait in the oval office and likes to be compared with the populist democrat. what he said about jackson surprised a lot of people. listen. >> they said my campaign is most like -- my campaign and win was most like andrew jackson.
with his campaign. and i said, when was andrew jackson -- it was 1828. that's a long time ago. had andrew jackson been later, you wouldn't have had the civil war. he was -- he was a very tough person. but he had a big heart. and he was he was really angry. that he saw what was happening with regard to the civil war. he said there's no reason for this. people don't realize, you know, the civil war -- >> yeah. >> you think about it, why? people don't ask that question. but why was there the civil war? why could that one not have been worked out? >> the civil war, of course, started 16 years after andrew jackson died. the reasons the war broke out have been studied extensively. countless books have been written on the subject. slavery was the central issue in the fight over states' rights that led to the civil war. and for the record, president jackson was a slave owner.
those are facts. lots to discuss with charles and jeffrey lord. charles, these comments by the president, what do you make of them? >> as usual, it's very hard -- it's kind of hard to figure it what he's saying, what we believe he's saying. it's not hysterically accurate. both the idea that andrew jackson was not alive during anticipatable resolution for the civil war was the end the slavey matter of principle there's a lot to touch on here.
you got on here if nothing else, the president got it wrong on thatachy, no. >> here's the thing with andrew jackson, i think the president identifies with his economic populous, but it comes to race i don't want my friend charles to fall over, but i not only agree with him but i vuhemmantly agree with him. and that is part of the legacy, the racial legacy of andrew jackson, which is just terrible. >> charles, is slavery the brainchild of one political party? >> jeffly lord knows if you had walked into any room in america a hundred-airs ago and asked the african-americans in that room whether or not they were republicans or democrats almost all of them would have said they
were republicans. because the republican party was that party until the decade leading up to the '60s and even into the 70s and 80s when the party decided it wanted to attract -- it hated black people instead of teach the black people they had. and that betrayal of black people and black voters in america who have stuck by the republican party their entire life their entire generation and to be betrayed by that party and turned away was a betrayal that black people have never forgiven. >> yef, i mean for the president also to kind of question why the
civil war happened in the first place, asking why couldn't it have been worked out, just last week in a writer's interview, he said quote there's no reason there's no peace between israel and palestinians, none whatsoever. i don't quite get the idea of those comments like these are simple issues that can just be worked out. >> i think he looks as all of these things, particularly i say this as a northerner slavery was not negotiable. had i have around then i would have been an abolitionist. i think that's the problem there. i think he thinks if he had been around would he have done a -- >> but how could andrew jackson
who owned more than 100 slaves or enslaved people, how could he have helped that out? >> i think he the president thinks he's tough as nails and he could have gotten a deal for america. but it's hard to see in retrospect if people were intent on keeping slaves. >> let's give our viewers a little bit more history lesson on how tough as nails as andrew jackson. he's also the one sfaubl for the removal of indians in the south that forcibly removed indians from their lands and included the trail of tears where thousands of indians died being marched the west of mississippi. this man was a white supremest among white supremests. he believed white people in the south had the right to forcibly remove those people and their their light, to forcibly enslave
human beings. this is not a man who could have solved slave issues. trump has it wrong because he doesn't know anything about history and refuses to read the history of presidents who came before him. this is what you get when you have a president who doesn't read. >> thank you, guys. appreciate it. up next, an incredible story of a rogue fbi translator with top secret whool married an isis. wait until you hear where the isis bride is living right now.
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