for any distraction from a loss that she cannot yet fully comprehend. >> and chris and alisyn, the united states estimates around 100,000 children are still living in very dangerous conditions, whether still an isis held territory or around other parts of western mosul. isis is still targeting iraqi security forces with suicide car bombs and in some instances even deliberately using droebs to drop explosives on the civilian population. we're really only just beginning to understand what it is this battle is costing these children and their parents, these families that have already been through too much. >> oh, my god, arwa. that was so striking, all of your video and the interviews. we just wouldn't know this stuff without your reporting and you going there to the front lines. it was hard obviously to watch. i didn't want to lose my
composure but you can't turn away. you can't turn away from seeing what they are enduring every day. >> the reason people like arwa has more of a flat affect telling these stories is because she's seen it so many times. it can be arresting for those not familiar with the scenes. we've talked before, what keeps hitting you when you've seen these places and these scenes, what are they going to do with their pain. what's going to happen when they grow up in this situation with no prospect of anything better. if this is as good as it is in life, it's a dangerous proposition. either not about winning the war but winning the peace and giving them a better future otherwise end up with the same cycle now. thanks for being brave enough to be there and telling the stories that matter. >> thank you, arwa. >> to all of you, international viewers. thanks for watching. "cnn newsroom" is next. for u.s. viewers we have some big developments and questions
to ask. let's get after it. the law is clear here. she's in a world of trouble. >> justice department is making good on president trump's pledge to crack down on leakers. >> she has broken laws and she has to suffer the consequences for that. >> president trump will not block fired fbi director james comey from testify prfg we're going to find out what comey was thinking he thought had risen to that level of obstruction. >> it troubles me so much to see the type of tweets the president has put out. >> the job of national security based on social media statements is irresponsible. >> i don't think the president cares what you call it. whether you call it a ban, a restriction. >> the president of the usa in circumstances where his policies go against everything we stand for. >> this is "new day" with chris cuomo and alisyn camerota. >> good morning. we begin with new day and the first arrest in president trump's crackdown on leakers.
justice department charging 25-year-old nsa contractor with leaking a classified report, is going to be the key term legally, on russia's election interference to online news outlet. >> president trump taking to twitter again about his travel ban. how will his words impact the case before the supreme court. we have a lot to cover. let's again with justice reporter laura jarrett live in washington. what's the latest, laura. >> alisyn, the justice department is making good on president trump's cracking down on leakers, announcing first case against 25-year-old reality winner. admitted to mailing classified intelligence to a news outlet. sources tell cnn the document winner is accused of illegally leaking is the same one at the center of an article published by "the intercept" that details attempted cyber hacks by russian military intelligence into voting systems in the u.s. just
days before the presidential election last year. while there's no evidence that any votes were affected by this hack, the classified document does provide new details spot mechanics of how the russians tried to target voting software supplier and trick election officials in the u.s. prosecutors say winner was because the because the news outlet sent a copy of the document over to the government before the story was published before authentication. investigators could see the pages and to have a crease suggesting they were printed and folded. so they did an audit of of who printed the document and traced it all back to winner. she's carrying serious charges, carrying up to 10 years in prison. her lawyer said she's simply been caught up in the middle of something bigger, chris. >> all right. thank you very much, laury. so we have that situation going on with the nsa, then we have this other situation. the president continuing to take
to twitter saying things that undermines white house strategy. so the white house says that the president was not picking a fight with london's mayor despite clear evidence on his twitter feed that he was doing exactly that. cnn's joe johns live at the white house with more. eggs if the white house wants to own this, tweets don't count theory, then i guess they could say he wasn't starting a fight with the london mayor because it was on twitter. >> chris, among other things, this is just a real window in how the administration is handling its business. the president undercutting his aides on twitter, undermining his message, and perhaps eastbound his agenda. the latest example the president drawing big attention to his travel ban at a time when the white house is trying to focus on infrastructure improvements. >> president trump defiant again, insisting that his plan to stop travel from six muslim
majority countries should be called a travel ban, a direct contradiction to this statement from deputy press secretary just hours before. >> i don't think the president cares what you call it, whether you call it a ban, whether you came you will it a restriction, he cares that we call it national security. >> previous criticism of reporters for calling it a travel ban. >> when we use words like travel ban, that misrepresents what it is. >> the husband of top aide kellyanne conway, a leading republican lawyer, warning that the president's latest tweet storm may have repercussions if and when the case goes before the supreme court. >> this obsession with covering everything he says on twitter and very little of what he does as president. >> that's his preferred communication with the american people. >> that's not true. >> administration attempting to downplay the president's tweets. >> it's social media, chris. >> it's not social media, it's his words, his thoughts. >> not both policy, not an executive order, it's social
media. please understand the difference. >> after touting twitter as the essential part of the president's strategy for months. >> donald trump's social media platform is a powerful way for him to connect with people. >> president trump escalating his fight with london's mayor in the wake of saturday's terror attack accusing mayor sadiq khan of offering a pathetic excuse when he advised london residents not to be alarmed by increased security in the city. khan offering the scathing response when asked about president trump's planned visit to the uk. >> i don't think we should roll out the red carpet to the president of the usa in the circumstances where his policies go against everything we stand for. >> the white house will try once again to get back on track today with meetings with congressional leaders and the president. the president just tweeting about this moments ago saying there's going to be a big meeting with republican leadership concerning tax cuts and health care. they are all pushing hard and they have got to get it right. chris and alisyn, back to you.
>> joe, appreciate it. bring in the panel maggie haberman and david gregory, senior analyst jeffrey toobin, reporter and editor-at-large chris cillizza. this case against contractor against nsa how does it shape up legally? >> it's very straightforward. she's a contractor, which like a government employee, has an obligation to keep classified information secret. if, as the government a little, she mailed that document to "the intercept," online publication, that's a crime and very serious crime. i don't think it's legally complicated, and this means this woman is in a lot of trouble. >> jeffrey, just explain to us what the difference is between what she did in terms of a crime and whistleblowers. if she did this, and if this is the stuff "the intercept" published, this goes further
than what we have known about meddling in the russian election. this is valuable information to know, to know they tried to interfere with a voting software supplier in days before the election. to note they had sent this spear fishing e-mail or document to these 122 election officials, local election officials in the final hours. so there's value, obviously, as journalists in knowing this, and the american public in knowing this. >> two reasons why it wouldn't fit as whistleblower. first, the news contained in this document is very interesting. but whistle blowing refers to disclosing u.s. government misconduct. this does not disclose u.s. government misconduct. the other reason it wouldn't qualify as whistle blowing. whistle blowers are not allowed to release classified information to outsiders under any circumstances. they have to go through channels
if they want to whistle blow using classified information. but the larger point of your question is more morally complicated, which is investigative reporters, including many that have been doing great work for "the new york times," for "the washington post," for cnn do rely on leaks of classified information. >> we do gain a lot and have gained a lot from investigative reporters from these leaks. the complexity here is that the leakers take a tremendous chance. if they get caught, as it appears this woman got caught, they can be in a great deal of trouble. >> david, before we get to your point, just to be clear, a lot of the investigative reporting we've seen in this wave have gone through allegations of misconduct. you can go at home, look for your self, whistleblower protection act from 1989. >> we do the work so they don't have to.
i mean -- >> let me tell you, people adopt believe that. they want to do their own research. google it. google the 1989 act, see what it's about, and you can make your own determination. david gregory. >> i think there's a lot of things interesting to know about what the government does and what it knows and there's a reason why that information is classified. that's what jeffrey is alluding to. there's always going to be a tension between the government wanting to keep it secret and journalists wanting to know more. especially to expose wrongdoing, a lack of vigilance in this case on the part of the trump administration. but we should point some things out, the trump administration, the president is rightfully condemning classified leaks. any president, president obama went after leakers. >> went after journalists. eric holder went after journalists in unprecedented fashion. >> the point is there's always going to be tension and negotiations in organizations
like cnn or "new york times" or "washington post" are going to work very carefully to try to balance these national security risks with the government's right to know. not all is classified information. the leaking, maggie's reporting this morning, her hard work and other people willing to speak anonymously. that's not sharing classified information, that's a window of what's doing on in the government. >> this window, president trump trying to crack down on leakers, saying that's the stated mission, this is the first shot across the bow. >> you have heard for several days now during the president's foreign trip and after that they had zeroed in on who some of the leakers are, quote, unquote, and they were going to take steps to dismiss them. as far as i know this hasn't happened. i think this is symbolic
important to president trump. two separate interests here and journalists try to balance them, the public's right it know while not compromising national security. he's also right this is aimed at chilling people not necessarily talking about classified information. this is aimed at chilling people from talking in general. the president has been very, very rattled by all sorts of information that has come out from his west wing. i have to say we have seen unprecedented -- i know we're using that word a lot lately but unprecedented level of information coming out and willingness by people to talk about this stuff. the problem for the president is on the one hand he says fake news. on the other digging in to try to find out who is putting out the information that clearly isn't fake. i do think, though, a point as chris did before, president obama criminalized leaking and went after journalists in an unprecedented way. this president has worn all this
on his sleeve in a way president obama did not but this is not new per se. >> let's get to the complicated relationship of what's doing on in the white house because we saw it made manifest with tweet stuff chris cillizza. it really raises the question, why is the president doing this? why would he take to twitter yesterday? again, i dismiss out of hand that tweets don't count. silly. this is what he chooses. these are statements from the president, period. why would he proceed up the spot of his own spin machine and say this is a travel ban. it's always been a travel ban. i want the original one, by the way. i don't like this one that he seems to forget he must have authorized and sanctioned in its execution as an executive order. why do you think he's doing this, cillizza? he embarrassed his team. >> i always think the simplest solution is usually the right one. with him it has to do with him and his relationship with winning and losing. i think he doesn't like to
concede anything ever, chris. i think his anger, annoyance with jeff sessions recusal from the russia probe was the result. he viewed that as a concession, a loss. the broader frustration over the travel ban, he doesn't like to lose. he thinks rewriting the travel ban was evidence they were conceding that the first one wasn't done properly. you know, in business one of the most interesting things i ever saw, a guy who had been a longtime business partner of trump's interviewed for pbs frontline special, 2015, says what donald always does, no matter what the outcome, declare victory and move on. right? we saw that a lot during the campai campaign. but it eats away at him whether he's seen at the justice department and session' recusal, travel ban, these are things he sees as concessions, unnecessary concessions. if you give them an inch, they
will take a mile. so in his mind, they should not have done that. it doesn't matter what sarah sanders, kellyanne conway, sean spicer, fill in the blank, doesn't matter. in his heart of hearts it's about him, how he's perceived, his image. he wants to be perceived as a winner that will not back down. it eats away at him when he's not. he does things that are clearly counter-productive to his presidency succeeding and to not undermining his staff. >> let's talk about that. go ahead, david. >> quickly, his agenda. in the end he'll be judged by what he achieved by results. presidents really mark their time in office by responding to crisis or through legislative accomplishments. he doesn't have the latter, though he's been trying. because he's getting in his own way and that lack of discipline is doing to haunt him at some point. >> okay. jeffrey, let's talk about what's going to haunt him at the
supreme court. explain how his tweets yesterday could somehow color the decision being made about the travel ban by the supreme court. >> well, the administration has portrayed what he's done as simply the exercise of executive authority in the area of immigration. presidents have a lot of power to regulate who comes into the country and who doesn't. they view this executive order as simply an exercise of that power. why they lost in the first round as well as the second round in the lower courts is that the course found that this was an example of religious discrimination against muslims. and by asserting that the first ban, which really clearly was religious discrimination, was what he wanted all along and was right all along. that suggests that there was really an attempt to keep
muslims out. it's not a fatal proceed to his case in the supreme court but a needless complication to the lawyers which are going to be representing him as this case goes. >> good thing it doesn't count, jeffrey. >> you're exchange with gorka, it was so obvious. we have the exact words of the president coming right through one of these devices. nothing matters more in knowing what the president really believes. >> again, to go back to the first question of why is he doing this. then they send out kellyanne and gorka, obviously had the same message, somebody put it to them to do this, to say tweets don't count. you guys obsess on the tweets. then he's going to proceed up the spot as soon as he wants once again coming off the top of his head. panel, thank you very much. we do have breaking news to get to right now in london terror investigation. police identifying the third terrorist who carried out
saturday's attack. police say 22-year-old youseff zabgah, italian national of moroccan accident. he was stopped last march in possession of one-way ticket to istanbul suspected of wanting to travel to syria. >> more breaking news, russian state media reporting a russian fighter jet intercepted b-52 bomber. this happened this morning over baltic sea. the report which cites russian defense ministry said u.s. bomber traveling over international waters. so far no confirmation from u.s. officials. >> what do democrats want to hear from fired fbi director james comey. we'll ask the top democrat in the house nancy pelosi when she joins us. we are building new airports all across the state.
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muslims. his staff scrambled to say the president's words don't count because they were on twitter and, thus, not official. that is absurd and raises the question of why the president would do this. how would he undermine this and how does this confusion affect governor. nancy pelosi, good to have you with us. a number of topics to discuss today. what do you make of what happened, big guns, kellyanne conway, sebastian gorka going out there and saying those tweets from the president which took time and he was very clear about, those don't count. they are not policy. he doesn't mean it. >> i'd like to hear what he says about that. i think frankly what he's talking about is disregard for the constitution. this is what the courts are about. this is about the balance of power. here he is saying even though the courts rejected one version or another of what he has put forth, he's doubling down.
he does succeed in doing one thing, keeping all the attention on him. there's so many things we should be doing, job creation and all the rest, let's have that debate and the rest but he just keeps bringing attention to him. it's a tactic. >> what do you think is going on? we've never seen this before. the obama administration had its problems, had problems with the media. the idea of the president going out of his way to undercut the spin of the white house is unusual. >> it's unusual. as i've said, if you want a job at the white house, know your blood type because you're going to get thrown overboard at some point, discredited. you see that happening. i think it will be interesting to see how he reacts to their reaction to him. but he doesn't care, as long as they are talking about him, good, bad, indifferent, the attention is not -- for example, six months into your term,
elected eight months in november, where does the jobs go. that's what the election was about, the future. now all we're talking about is donald trump. >> you have some big issues coming up. the president actually tweeted this morning to the extent it counts about his desire to meet with the big republicans and get going on taxes and health care to get it right. what is your understanding of the progress? >> from what i hear from the republicans, there hasn't been very much progress but he should be peg with all of us if he wants to make progress. there's anti-gomp answer elements in the house in the congress that are never going to be for anything unless it's so bad, and that would be very harmful to the american people. >> two points of pushback in terms of lack of progress. the first one would be, well, if the democrats weren't so obsessed with trying to impeach the president and pushing the russian investigation beyond the proof, you might be getting more things done on the gompithe gov >> who says that.
>> i'm saying it. >> they have the house, senate. >> russia investigation for political reasons. >> this beyond politics. russia investigation is beyond politics. with the latest revelations you can see this is undermining our democracy, our electoral system. >> the actual hacking. >> the hacking, the altering, maybe, and the dumpings undermine our election. we should have an outside, independent commission to study what that is. we have tried to say this is critical infrastructure. the republicans have resisted that. we must protect the elements mechanism of our elections. >> the collusion argument which a lot of democrats state as a fact, like the collusion case. there is no collusion case. we haven't seen any proof. again, i know the investigation is not over. we don't know what evidence they have or don't have. is there some criticism for democrats in seeming to want to force this to impeachment. >> senator schiff, wariner and
others are very measured. when i said to members, the only things that matter are the facts, the facts and the law. that's what investigation will reveal to us. i think we have to remove all doubt as the impact of russians in our life. i think it's important the american people to know what did russians have on donald trump politically, financially and personally that he is standing in the way of this legitimate investigation as to russian impact on our election and to prevent them from -- >> why do they have to have something on him. why couldn't your own theories serve as rational, he doesn't like it. it's bad for him. you keep talking about russia. it's a negative for him, jades his victory. >> the american people have a right to know the truth." why would republicans stand in the way of the truth. why can't we see his tax returns. what we should be doing is working on job creation. >> to that point, we discussed this during town hall.
>> it was a good night to have where people were able to address some of these concerns about the frustration. let's say you're right and there's a vacuum of power manifested as progress now, things that matter, whether infrastructure, jobs, taxes. why not fill that void as democrats and say we're not going to wait on him. here is our jobs plan. >> we're doing that. >> here are fixes to the aca so he doesn't have to pull the subsidies and tank the current program in expectation of a bill that isn't there yet. >> let's start with the second point first. the fact is that the affordable care act is the law of the land. the president should be under a law of the land and funding it. he is sabotaging it. he shouldn't be doing that. most important thing that we can do is to make sure that the bill that the republicans passed in the house does not become the law of the land because 23 million people would lose their
health insurance, premiums would go up, benefits go down. >> if you don't have the votes, should you just lie in wait as opposed to moving to try and get a compromise. >> no. we follow the lead of president lincoln, public sentiment is everything. the public is what defeated the bill the first time it came up. the public is what's doing to defeat it in the senate in the form that it passed the house. so the -- it's really important that people see the distinction, and the distinction is to keep the focus on that. do we know how to improve the affordable care act? of course. do you think the president would have said let's sit down and do that. first thing we can start with is prescription drug, cost of prescription drugs. that contributes more to the increased cost of medical care than anything. we could have certainty in terms of the funding of the affordable care act which the president has placed in doubt. when it's in doubt, the insurance companies say we don't
know how to set our rates or we have to set them higher because we don't know if we'll have the cost sharing. >> uncertainty. >> the uncertainty of that. we have to address issues that relate to young people to attract more of them to it. there is any bill that is passed congress, civil rights act, medicare, medicaid, social security, all of it should be subjected to scrutiny as to how it can be done better. if it's being sabotaged, that's at his doorstep. if the rates go up, that's at his doorstep because he has not obeyed the law of the land. >> representative nancy pelosi, appreciate you being here. we know that there's a lot to discuss. we have the big testimony coming up on thursday after it, i'd love to get your thoughts. >> that's right. let's just say the president has said he's in the doing to stand in the way of comey testifying. i don't know there will be a bombshell but there will be a door opening and i want to make sure there's no executive privilege for many people in his administration who could go
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this long conversation with whether the president's tweets are official policy. you know what they are, they are a window into the man's mind. what donald trump did in response to the british tragedy was, again, i think inappropriate for a toddler, much less the president of the united states. >> it's not just democrats, many republicans also calling for the president to stop tweeting so often. are his tweets getting in the way of legislative agenda.
joining us now chris collins of new york. good morning, congressman. >> good morning, alisyn. >> do you have any problem with the president's tweets? >> none at all. i was home and traveled through all eight counties i represent. i can tell you trump supporters, and i have one of the most wide level of support for trump probably in the northeast, they love this president. they love his tweets, because he's jabbing in a way, working around the press. we can use whatever terminology we want, the fake news thing, but his supporters really, really love his tweets. >> are they official presidential statements? >> no. they are not official statements. they are tweets. >> what's the difference. >> they are coming from the president of the united states. >> that's where it gets comp indica -- complicated. >> they are his words, on a form we can all read, why wouldn't you say they are official
presidential statements. >> like in my case as well, official statements are typically four, five, six, in his case probably more people look at all the nuances of an official press release or official statement. it goes through legal, goes through different filters, if you will, versus a tweet unfiltered. i heard someone say it's a view spoke donald trump's mind or his thoughts, and it is. it hasn't been filtered through six other people. you could call it more direct because of that. >> it's more pure, actually a more pure thought of his. >> that's why his supporters love it. they really, really do. >> i hear them say that as well. that leads us to the next question, do we take them seriously? do we take those to the bank? >> you take them seriously because they are our president's thoughts. however, the nuances at the end, there will be a certain filter
they do through when they become official policy. the attorneys always either water things down or look at the various nuances. so there is a balance. i understand it's a very narrow road i'm talking about. but you know, we need to look at official statements that have been filtered for the policy but meanwhile the tweets are unfiltered look as to how president trump is looking at the world considering whether it's terrorism, whether it's travel, whether it's whatever it may be, jobs, the economy, tax reform, health reform. i think it's frankly refreshing. >> congressman, it's also confusing. >> it can be. but he's focused on his supporters, his base. let's go back to his base really does appreciate what he's doing. they are -- we're seeing the protests. i have them at my office. i've had to put new security into my office.
this is a time unlike anything we've ever seen in this country. >> agreed. congressman, i talk to his supporters all the time as well. he's the president for everyone. >> i represent an area devastated. everything gets back to at this point tax reform. >> there are some of your fellow republicans that believe that the fire storms he starts with his tweets when he sends them out at midnight and, for instance, criticizes the mayor, the mayor of london, in the hours after his city was hit by a terror attack, those actually do get in the way of his legislative agenda because they do suck all of the oxygen out of the room. do you think his twitter habit is getting in the way of his legislative agenda? >> not at all. if anyone would suggest that, it's a cop out. congress's job toys have our hearings, work on our legislation. if someone says we can't do that
because there is a distraction over here on the left or the right, that means that frankly we're not doing our job. it's a distraction, and it should not -- i don't believe it does. i'm on the energy and congress committee. our hearings ongoing, legislation ongoing. if there is, you know, things doing on around us, that shouldn't detract at all from what we need to do helping create jobs and getting through tax reform and infrastructure. i would view that more as an excuse for not getting things done. >> senator bob corker is one of the people this morning saying it's probably best to refrain from communicating with 140 characters on topics that are so important. >> well, my message to the senate is send us a health care bill. >> congressman, one more thing about london before we get off of that. are you comfortable that the president insulted or went after the london mayor in just the aftermath, the hours right after
the terror attack there. >> well, you know, i would say perhaps i would not have done that, but then i'm not donald trump. i'm not the president. i will say that the mayor in london has taken a lot of jabs at our president. one thing we know about donald trump is he does jab back. >> he started this one. he's the one who started by saying at least seven dead, 48 wounded, the london mayor said there's no reason to be alarmed. that, of course, is taken out of context to what the mayor said. he started this one. >> when you say this one, it's been ongoing. i could argue the mayor started it months ago. let's just say they are not friends. they are, you know, adversaries to the standpoint of jabbing at each other. one thing we know about president trump is he does jab back. >> even right after a terror attack, in the hours after that city has been devastated by this. >> well, it goes back to there
was an inference where the mayor was saying, we're all fine. we've got plenty of police on the street. i do understand we want to live our life. we don't want terrorism to scare us. i don't have a problem with what the mayor said. my hearts and prayers go out to the families that it's so hard to defend soft targets, whether in france, great britain, wherever it may be. >> should president trump have said that, what you just said? >> i can't speak for the president. would i have said it? no. they have an adversarial relationship the two of them. i understand what's doing on, but you know, dpep, tagain, the president takes care of himself. >> chris collins, thank you. >> always good to be with you.
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plan to honor paris accord. hundreds of businesses promise to keep reducing emissions, apple, amazon, adidas, gap, l'oreal. eight states and the mayor's dozens of cities also signed this letter. coalition writes local government and business already are primarily responsible for decreased greenhouse gas emissions and they will continue to reduce them. no matter the trump policy in washington. the president's decision to withdraw from paris accord angered leaders. dozens spoke out about it. disney, elon musk, quit a white house advisory council in protest. the president said pulling out will help the u.s. economy particularly struggling coal industry. >> thank you very much for that. so should the president's tweets serve as official statements. our media experts discuss that
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visit your volvo dealer to take advantage of our midsommar sales event offer. all right. in this bizarre disconnect, you have white house heavyweights getting out there and saying, hey, the president tweets aren't official statements. they are the unfiltered words of the president that often issues that matter to you.
so should they be considered as official as anything else. let's discuss. first, brian, baby, good, sleeping? >> good. two weeks old, sleeping wonderfully. 1,000% better than it was two weeks ago. >> thank you. yesterday, here to tell me how long it is for me to obsess on the tweets. now first push back was, hey, the president used the occasion of the london crisis to talk about his own travel ban and attack its mayor. also, then this notion tweets don't count. >> they only count to supporters, but the media
shouldn't obsess. my reaction this weekend was the london tweets were the only white house statement. there was no paper statement. there was no official comment from the white house, no interview on sunday morning. all we saw were the president's tweets. so, yes, that counts as the only official statement from the white house. >> here is the problem with that, frank. we just had a congressman on. he says, no, no, no. they're not official statement because they haven't been vetted by lawyers and his staff. the truth is he does change things. they are not policy. look at the travel ban. they change. >> you know, this takes us into completely uncharted territory. since when do the president's words not count? don't listen to them officially. don't listen to them. the president's words always count. that's why he is in a -- let's
say you are a senate or a congressman and you are having a town hall meeting and your constituents get up and scream at you because they want to support or oppose what the president has tweeted. you're in the middle of trying to do a business. the president's words count. this stuff floats downhill. whether they are literal or not, they are out there. ronald reagan famously said, mr. gosh chov, tear down that wall. >> why do you think the president is doing this? why would he consciously, somewhat out of context, right? he goes to the travel ban, which really nobody was talking about and he says things that embarrass the white house in
terms of their spin to this point. we could play sound all morning for you, frank, where press secretaries are saying you call it a ban. that's why you're fake news. it is not a ban. he just blew it all up. why would he do that? >> we don't know. we're not inside his tweet. >> we have the tweets. >> look, he does it because he can. he does it because he wants to. he does it because it's worked and he does it because it continues to work. the president's approval ratings are under 40%. >> so work is a defined term? >> yes. and it works with some of his constituency and he was elected to be the barn burner, to burn the barn. >> of his own barn. >> and this is what he continues to do. >> he was saying essentially we're still in the burn it down phase of the trump presidency. >> he's turning down his own message. they are trying to move away from the word pan, move away from intentionality and he went back on that. >> kellyanne conway's husband said his tweets may get in the
way of what he's trying to do with the supreme court. >> kellyanne conway's husband to publically speak out in that fashion, you don't see that very often. >> i think what we're tiptoeing around, chris, in your question is the emotion state of the president. and it is part of the story, the emotional state of the president. there was reports about how angry he was, how fres traited he has been alone at the white house. that's part of the story now. >> hold on, frank. because it is often the case. you are going to want to hear this. the president watches the show. >> did he just tweet? >> and he says good luck with the baby. he doesn't believe you can change diapers. he says the fake msn is working so hard to get me not to use social media. they hate that i can get the honest and unfiltered message out.
i want you to focus on those last words. >> that's right. and that's why it works and resonates with his $30 million follows. it is why it unsettles washington and let's remember why donald trump was elected. he was elected to unsettle washington. >> but he just said only the filtered part matters. the president of the united states just told you, don't listen to them. don't listen to them. the tweets matter. they are honest and unfiltered. >> they matter for a moment. >> i don't know what that means. i really don't. >> he can say that the travel ban is -- that he thinks that muslims should be banned. he could say that. >> it is what happened in policy. hold on a second. that's exactly what happened. and he says he doesn't like that he wants to go back to the original. >> it won't. >> how do i know? >> because the supreme court is seeing the second version, not the first version.