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given him credit when it was due. >> i know. >> there was a part of his speech yesterday when he was really good. it was when he went off script. he went off script not to be tougher but to go looser. that's when pem got upset. >> i want you to condemn antiffa as well. >> we'll continue this in the green room. thank you for watching. i'm jake tapper in washington. this is "gps," the global public square. welcome to all of you in the united states and around the world. i'm fareed zakaria coming to you live from new york. we begin with the shocking events of this weekend from charlottesville, virginia, the racist rallies that ended in what appears to be murder. we'll explore the newfound prestige in donald trump's america. then --
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>> the north korea crisis. tough words from trump. >> they will be met with fire and fury. >> also from pyongyang. what will cool the this crisis down? and bill maher. >> jeff session es is still hiding under his desk. and rex tillerson will now be reporting directly to putin. >> we'll talk about president trump, of course. d.c. dysfunction, and how the world views america today. but first here's "my take." how did we get here? why does it appear that we're on the brink of a war in asia, one that could involve nuclear weapons? north korea has had nuclear weapons capacity for at least ten years now. have its recent advances been so
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dramatic and significant to force the united states to wage a preventive war? no. the crisis we now find ourself in has been exaggerated and mishandled by the trump administration to a degree that is deeply worrying and dangerous. from the start, the white house has wanted to look tough on north korea. ne the early months of trump's presidency before there could possibly have been a serious policy review, secretary of state rex tillerson warned that the era of strategic patience with north korea was over. trump, of course, went much further this week. >> they will be met with fire, fury, and frankly power the likes of which this world has never seen before. >> trump has made clear that the united states would respond to north korean nuclear threats, rhetoric weather a massive military strike possibly involving nuclear weapons. is this skrebl krebl?
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no. the united states is not going to launch a preemptive nuclear war in asia. empty threats cheapen american power boxing in the administration for the future. so why do it? because it's trump's basic mode of action. for his entire life, donald trump has made grandiose promises and ominous threats and never delivered on either. when he was in business, he frequently threatened to sue news organization, but the last time he apparently followed through was in 1984, over 30 years ago. in his plifl life, he's followed the same strategy. in 2011 he claimed he had investigators who cannot believe what they're finding about barack obama's birth certificate and he would soon be revooling interesting things. he had nothing. during the campaign, he vowed he would label china a currency manipulator, make mexico pay for a border war, initiate an investigation into hillary clinton. so far, nada. after being elected he signalled
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to china he might recognize taiwan. within weeks of taking office, he folded. when the united states watched a stalin soviet union develop nuclear weapons, it was careful in its rhetoric. when it saw far more threatening leader mow see tongue it was even more cautious. mao insisted he had no fear of nuclear war because china would have more than enough survives to defeat western em peerlists, yet successive u.s. administrations kept their cool. the world is already living with a nuclear north korea. it has for a decade. if that reality cannot be reversed through negotiations and diplomacy and sanctions, the task will be to develop a low bust system of deterrence, the kind that kept the peace with stalin's russia and mao's china. bluser from the president can increase the dangers of miscalculation. i think americans should sleep well at night, have no concerns about this particular rhetoric
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of the last few days, said rex tillerson on wednesday. this was an unusual, perhaps unprecedented statement. the secretary of state seems to have been telling americans and the world to ignore the rhetoric, not of the north korean dictator but of his own boss, the president of the united states. e it is probably what donald trump's associates have done for him all his life. they know that the guiding mantra for this donald trump has been not the art of the deal but the art of the bluff. for more, go to and read my "washington post" column this week. and let's get started. we'll gt back to north korea, but first we must begin with the horrifying events in charlottesville, virginia, this weekend. it all began with a gathering of
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people who are anti-immigrant, anti-semitic, anti-black, what some might call anti-american. these racist protesters were there to pose the removal of a confederate monument. the events ended with a terrifying scene as a car drove into a crowd of counterprotesters injuring many and willing one. the president responded but disturbingly didn't single out the racists, instead condemning, quote, hatred, bigotry, and violence on many sides, unquote. let v let's bring in a panel. melody barnes was director of the white house domestic policy council under president obama. she's now a visiting professor at the university of virginia. rick burlstein is a historian. and tim naftali was director of the nixon presidential rye lye british prime minister tony blair and also part of the university of virginia. melody, let me ask you, how much of this is an eruption of
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something that has been simmering underneath? and i mean particularly simmering ever since the election of an african-american as president. and what did you to notice in the white house, what information were you getting about these kinds of movements and these kinds of currents in america? >> first of all, fareed, thank you so much for having me this morning. i actually want to g back further than this past election or my time in the white house. and i would say to the nation and to your viewers that we can't view what happened yesterday as a charlottesville problem or a virginia problem, that this is the american problem, that the roots of what happened yesterday go back to the founding of our country. we will not only do ourselves a great disservice, le we will inflict more harm on ourself as a continue tri if we don't contextualize what happened yesterday in the roots of white
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supremacy and entitlement that led to a young woman being killed yesterday, but it is a scene we have seen over and over and over in our country through slavery and through lynchings and through the civil rights movement that led us to yesterday. and until we have a cold, hard, honest look at our american history and the dna of america, we will not be able to deal with these issues. believe, as people reacted and responded to president obama's election in 2008 and re-election in 2012 and certainly president trump has created an enabling environment through his statements over the last many years. but this is a history that belongs to the ages. >> rick burlstein, you have studied and written a lot about the right in america. is it fair to say that this has always been to take the modern version of what melody barnes
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was talking about there has always been this undercurrent within some elements of the conservative movement or is that unfair? >> i e think that's very fair, and i endorse profoundly the substance of what melody barnes is saying. think about this. what the people were marching in defense of in charlottesville, virginia, were a stch you of a minute who led troops into slavery. starting in the '60s, when the civil rights movement was challenging white supremacy with the power of people's broad dis and religious faith, that movement to basically celebrate the confederacy enjoyed enormous resurgence in the early 1960s. that's when we began to see these statues being built and confederate flags being waved. and ever since then, that sort of lost-cause kind of wave the bloody shirt ideology and the
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ideology that whenever something goes wrong in your world we can blame a diabolical conspiracy -- you know, this is kind of mccarthyism large, that's where donald trump comes in. his willingness to kind of blame this diabolical conspiracy of liberal media, the establishment in both parties, jihadists, and all the rest. and this is kind of rhetoric you see in right-wing media, both kind of the bottom-feeding media and brbreitbart, but also place like fox news and the national rifle association, whose basically mod sell to terrify people to believe that america is on fire, that liberals are out to get you, that both parties are out to get you, that donald trump is out to protect you, and that you need to march through the streets with guns, which is exactly what happened in charlottesville in order to protect their family, in order to protect your identity. and when we see donald trump
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saying something like the problem that is revealed in charlottesville is that children can't go out in front of their yards and play, this is a direct signal to the worst most corrosive white supremacists who by the way are calling their ral hi a rally to unite the right nape see this as a unifying issue. so, yes, it's great that marco rubio has denounced the president, great that ted cruz has denounced the president, but it would be great to hear from republicans who don't have presidential ambitions against donald trump denounce the president. >> tim neftali, the extraordinary thing is how this has really come out as rick perlstein says, they're being this blay about the about what they're talking about. i want used to be quieter, right? >> it used to be. i want to make a point about that statue, okay, because one of the problems we have in america is we don't deal with our history well. we have these moment where
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liberty expands and when a country undergoes real social change, and it's at those moments you get this reaction. that statue is from the '20s. not from 1880. why the '20s? this was after world war i and there had been enormous social change. you had the second coming of the kkk. the 1960s we saw the return of the stars and bars. why? because of a fear among white supremacists that they were losing their country, and we're getting it gone. the one thing to keep in mind is we have this psych until this country of terrible reaction. and each time it's a test of moral courage on the part of our leaders. senator orrin hatch is not running for president. he showed real courage. president trump showed moral cowardice yesterday. there are moments in our history when we need our president to stand up to the reaction and say that is not who we are.
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in the 1960s, they were better at policing the fringe than they are today. they are not able to police the fringe. this fringe seems to be mainstream in the republican party. that's the fear for the country. that's the problem. >> we'll be back in a moment to talk about the big questions of the future. where do we go from here, what is the way out of this deep polarization in america? oh man, that's pretty intense. look no further than chevrolet. this is a fast car. i feel like i left my soul back there. wow. this has power! what a nice car. go for thrilling drives and deals today at the chevy summer drive. now through august 14th, get 20% below msrp on all chevy malibu lt models. that's over fifty-three hundred dollars on this chevy malibu. find new roads at your local chevy dealer.
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if you could book a flight, then add a hotel, or car, or activity in one place and save, where would you go? ♪ expedia gives you the world in your hand, so you can see more of it. ♪ expedia. and we are back with melody barnes, rick perlstein and tim naftali. melody, how does one begin to reknit some of these kind of unraveling threads for america? >> i think that's the important question of the day, and i would say there are at least three things that have to happen.
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first of all, yesterday president trump said we nood to study what happened at natsville, and yes, we have to understand for legal purposes what happened in charlottesville yesterday, but we don't need more studies, more commissions, more made-for-television conversationswe don't need moree commissions, more made-for-television conversations about race. we know what has happened in this country and we have to have an honest continue tex yulization and understanding fact-based of american history 1690 to 2017 and put what happened yesterday in context. secondly, twoef deconstructish shouse around our economy and around our laws, and that deal with and perpetuate issues of inequity so we can create opportunity for everyone, and that includes both people of color and americans who are white, low-income white. race has been used in a great way to divide and we have to as you say netanyaknit people back
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together. finally, we have to deal with issues of culture in america and american identity and broaden american identity so that we actually address the founding ideals of our country, breathe life into them, and make this a country for everyone who lives here and deconstruct the issue of -- and the myth of american supremacy and entitlement that led to what happened yesterday. what makes america great is also something that's quite fragile. it is the american idea of individual rights and liberties, and we have to today go forward to protect that but also to breathe life into it. >> rick, is there a way you think to get these groups to stop feeling so scared that their world is being overwhelmed? i mean, you know, because it does seem to me this comes from a kind of insecurity and paranoia that they're being overrun in a country in which, you know, still 75% white, dominated in almost every -- at
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every respect. i think of the republicans who control the white house, both houses of congress, the supreme court, and almost two-thirds of the state legislature acting as if they are in some way kind of a besoojed minority. >> right. well, there will always be an extremist reactionary fringe in america. you'll never get rid of that. what you need to d is disempower them. it's fashionable to say we need to knit the country together by ratchetting down polarization, but i think prior to that we have to defeat the anti-american thugs who have taken over operational control of one of our one major political parties. basically these people are barking at the wilderness instead of being helped by the to president of the united states. >> tim naftali, is this domestic terrorism? >> absolutely. this is a refining moment for the republican party. let's talk about domestic terrorism. let's talk about our concern
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about foreign terrorism, isis, and domestic terrorism. let's not make it seem that we take one seriously as a problem and the other one we treat only as law enforcement issue. the fbi has a good record on going against the kkk. what we don't have a good record of as a people is using our soft power, our rhetorical power tox say that this is unacceptable to be a white supremacist and a neonazi in america. it may be legal to express those repugnant view, but it is unacceptable, it is time to ostracize those groups and also to use countterrorism methods to penetrate them where it is clear they are considering the use of violence. by the way, i'm going the say the same about antifantifa. if they're going to consider violence, they should be penetrated too, but right now the big problem is the alt-right. >> tim naftali, rick perlstein, melody barnes, fascinating conversation. thank you, all. next on "gps," the career
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crisis. is all the back and forth between trump and kim jong-un bluster or is a war possible is this i have a great panel when we come back. finally partner. our own hmmhmmmmmm. selfie? yeah! ok. desk in the background. ok. best day ever.
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kevin, let me start with you. how do you think people in the region are reacting, countries in the region are reacting to this ratchetting up of rhetoric that has taken place over the last few weekes by north korea certainly but also by the trump administration in a fairly unusual way? >> i think there are probably two things going on in the minds of the region at the moment. one is that general perception of the united states which they see as more uncertain in its general strategic behavior than has been the case in the past. secondly, on the question of the north korean scenario in particular, obviously, people are objectively anxious about what's changing and that's all because of what the north kor n koreans have done. but recently, they begin to see the language which starts to build a problem into a crisis. and then you start to enter into discussions about crisis management, and there's when i think people become particularly
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anxious. that's the mood i pick up. >> victor, do you think that this kind of rhetoric can spiral out of control? >> well, fareed, i certainly hope not. on the one hand, i do think that rhetoric has gone up, but at the same time, i'm not certain how much comments by the american president would change north korean behavior. we've had past presidents that have been calm and quiet when it comes to north korea, ones more vocal, and north korean behavior somes to be the same in either case. so to me the most important thing now is to avert miscalculation, and in that sense some of the very strong statements by the u.s. this past week may actually help to reinforce deterrence. we have to remember, in 19 93 bill clinton once said if north korea used the nuclear weapon it would be the end of the country as they nigh v knew it, and that
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was a pretty strong statement of deterrence. >> as victor cha points out, nothing has changed north korea's behavior. you can act tough on them and threaten, be less threatening. you know, there are many who say, look, that is country that is buying insurance what appear to be an array of world powers that want to get rid of it. maybe we should be trying another tactic, trying to see if there's way to talk to them, try to see if there's a way to negotiate with them. the trump administration keeps saying they're changing policy but this is the same policy. it's been threats, threats, threats, sanctions, sanctions, sanctions, for 30 years. >> victor correctly said they of been through it all before. but they're also dealing with a president in who many my judgment is unique in many respects compared with his predecessors since the period of 1993, which victor referred to
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before. >> unique in what sense? >> he sees a virtual in his own strategic unpredictability. he's actually said that, not specifically in reference to north korea but more generally. secondly, with president trump, there is this whole notion that his is a muscular presidency when it comes to international action, and that i think creates a fresh set of newen certainties. the key thing that worries me, though, and i of just come back from china yesterday, fareed, is when this people discuss the possibility of unilateral u.s. military action against the north the chinese baseline conclusion is this is just one huge bluff and as a consequence, that results in a chinese view, that, yeah, we'll do a few things to try and talk the north koreans into coming around to a more reasonable posture, at least freezing what they're currently doing, but at the end of the day, the north koreans evolve into a fully replete
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nuclear weapons state that icbms with militarized warheads on top, then, well, the chinese view is the u.s. then will have to accept that reality. and what none of us know is whether president trump will ultimately accept a position in history, which says timm guy, it's on my watch that this state finally crossed the threshold of constituting a threat to the u.s. mainland. >> u.s. policy to china on this issue it seems to e me should be far more strategic, sustained, and less about angry tweets, you know, kind of brag doegadocio, bravado. you've dealt with china all your life. you speak mandarin fluently. what is your sense? how should donald trump be dealing with china? >> anybody dealing with xi jinping, this guy is a serious hard head, a serious hard ass. this guy has been around far
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while. if there's going to be a serious conversation here about the future of the korean peninsula, it has to be conducted in clear, bottom line, but quiet terms between one administration and the other. the question of china's historical paranoia about the korean peninsula is absolutely fundamental in this, and you've therefore got the deal with it in a comprehensive way and not just pick out the nuclear bit and say that's the only thing we're concerned about. that's what my advice would be to administration. and for all i know, they may be doing that through their own quiet diplomatic channels as well. >> victor, do you think that that's the kind of strategy -- and again, it seems to me if that is strategy, angry denunciations and tweets aren't really helping. >> well, i mean, i do agree with kevin that in the end it appears that the only real solution to this problem is some sort of
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grand bargain with the united states and china. and along the lines that kevin described, but the difficult part of course is that sort of grand bargain requires really a deep level of trust among the leaders of the two countries, and this just doesn't exist today. and it's going to -- it's hard to create something like that. it has to happen over time. >> on that to sober note, thank you both. fascinating conversation. next on "gps," a real tweet. bill maher on how he sees america in the age of trump. isaac hou has mastered gravity defying moves to amaze his audience. great show. here you go. now he's added a new routine. making depositing a check seem so effortless. easy to use chase technology, for whatever you're trying to master. isaac, are you ready? yeah.
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on friday night i was delighted to be a guest on bill mah maher's hbo show "real time." when that taping was over, i turned the tables on him and i got to ask the questions. for my money, he's america's sharpist political satirist and i wanted to hear his thoughts on
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the president and the nation at this juncture in history. cnn and hbo are both owned by time warner. bill maher, pleasure to have you. >> always good to see you. >> six months into the trump era. >> seems like 60 years. i of aged. i didn't have gray hair when we started, fareed. >> what has surprised you? >> i thought he would crash the stock market. i still think he will. i'm hoping, actually, because that's one thing that would maybe lose him a lot of support in the republican party. but i thought and i predicted, and i was wrong, that the stock market hates volatility and uncertainty, and who is more volatile than donald trump? but i guess i underestimated their greed, because they still want their tax cut. >> what i've been surprised by is the degree to which his supporters still support him. if you look at even republican support, it's still the high
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70s, some polls in the low 80s. and you get the feeling it's not so much about ideology, because he ooh not that conservative. it's not so much competence. he hasn't gotten much done. what do you think is going on? >> well, it's almost a protest vote. you know? i'm not surprised because there are -- now, there is a certain percentage of people who are i think racist and that's part of his appeal. and, you know, his dog whistle was louder than any dog whistle we of heard and the republicans have been playing that game since nixon and the southern strategy. and reagan opening his campaign in philadelphia and mississippi. that's been going on a long time, but he just did it in a much more blatant way so, you can't deny that that's part of it. but there are many, many gettable voters, gettable by the democrats, that put him over the top. and these are the people that like that. sometimes in this studio audience. this is that part of the
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democratic party that is plainly obnoxious. they are humorless. they're too political i correct. if you talk to trump people, they're not unaware of his flaws. but what they always say, like the first thing what they love about him, he's politically incorrect. you know, all those years ago when i called the show "politically incorrect," i wasn't exactly wrong. i failed miserably at driving a stake through its heart, but that was a problem and it is a problem and we of been choking on it and he played that and he still plays that. and they love that. and they would -- even though they know that he's bad in a lot of ways, they would rather be on his team than thoseinsufferable people on the left. that's how they think. >> it's really interesting thing i grapple with in america. there's almost a sort of puritanism within the culture that says we're going the shame, we're going to sensor, you can't say these things.
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this is very different in a make plais like europe. there's a peculiar ti in america the right handle it but particularly on the left there is this puritanism, there are things you can't say. >> and it's getting worse. i don't know how long i'm going plast. really. it's worse every year. the thing they go after people for now. your colleague, i don't agree with him, jeffrey lorde, people got rid of him because he said zig heil on a tweet, it was a joke. this has to stop this idea of people have to g away if they've offended me even for one moment. how about just move on, turn the page? go to the next thing in your life? this idea that you cannot suffer one moment of pain, this comes i think from bad parenting. you know, these are the kids, these are the millennials, sorry, millennials, but these
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are the kids who grew up yelling at their parents, something that never even crossed my mind that i could do, and parents negotiating everything and this sense of entitlement that i should never feel any pain, even the pain of someone disagreeing with me. it's an alarming number of millennials who really don't even believe the free speech, because you know what, free speech could lead to hurt feelings. who gave these kids these priorities? >> the google guy who was fired for to posting a memo which he tried to discuss -- may have been right or wrong but to be fired for expressing your views? >> this happens every week and colleges are completely out of criminal. the good side of it is that people are on the case now. i mean, i remember when i was pretty much alone, screaming about this, this goes back to the '90s, and i think a lot of people, the mainstream people get this now, that, you know, colleges are not doing what
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colleges are supposed to d, which is broadening people's minds. they're doing the opposite. >> so you think it could change. >> it has to. and i also have heard encouraging things from people about the generation that's coming up behind the millennials. you know, every generation usually rebels independence the one that came before them, and i think part of it is a rebellion against political correctness that i hope happens, but also against social media. social media is not benign. people attached to their phones like that, getting all their news from just what someone shares on their facebook page. this is not way you get news if you really care about what's going on. and i think there is a generation that i hope is going to rebillion against that, because, you know, i don't take pictures. people are always asking know take pictures and i say handshake, hug, eye contact? and usually they get it. sometimes they don't even hear me and they lift the phone anyway. i'm, like, hello, i just said i
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don't do it. oh, yeah, i'm sorry. it's just so automatic that life has to come through a screen. it's killing us. >> don't go away. we have much more with bill maher when we return. k now. (coughs) so sorry. oh no... it's just that your friend daryl here is supposed to be live streaming the wedding and he's not getting any service. i missed, like, the whole thing. what? and i just got an unlimited plan. it's the right plan, wrong network. you see, verizon has the largest, most reliable 4g lte network in america. it's built to work better in cities. tell you what, just use mine. thanks. no problem. all right, let's go live. say hi to everybody who wasn't invited! (vo) when it really, really matters, you need the best network and the best unlimited. plus, get the pixel, by google for $5 a month. grandma's. aunt stacy's. what are the reasons you care for your heart? qunol coq10 with 3x better absorption has the #1 cardiologist recommended form of coq10 to support heart health. qunol, the better coq10.
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megan's smile is getting a lot because she uses act® mouthwash. act® strengthens enamel, protects teeth from harmful acids, and helps prevent cavities. go beyond brushing with act®. back now with much more of my interview with bill maher. rerecorded at cbs television in loongs where he does his hbo show "real time." the program is now in its 15th season. you spentd a lot of time talk about what the democrats should do. >> yeah. >> when you look at should they move more left, should they move more right, what's the answer? >> i think that's not the question. there is and of course always going to be in a big party difference between the center left and the far left.
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it's more how you fight the battle. they're just not good at politics. the russia story is a great example. how can they not make that stick? i mean, these people were colluding with the country who for my whole life was the enemy, even after communism fell, we found out, oh, okay, there were things that were deeper than communism that separated us. and vladimir putin certainly has ties back to those days, and he is not our friend. for donald trump this week to be thanking him for kick out 750 americans? these are state department people, people doing valuable work. some of them were spies and we should have spies there. now we have nobody there to keep an eye on what putin is doing. and the president of the united states says thanks, putin? that's -- you know, last week we had an obama impersonator here, my friend reggie brown, who
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brilliantly, like just said the things trump has said. i said what would it look like if obama had said john mccain is not a war hero and so forth sh i wish he was back here this weak to do the one where trump thanks putin for kicking our people out. i don't know what it takes for the democrats to seize on this, you know. they're saying it's not a winner for them, this issue. make it a winner. it can't be that hard. >> what about the idea of having this gut connection, you know, that democrats find it more difficult to have with particularly kind of the white working class? you know, i see the difference between bill and hillary so cleary. the same policy, right, the same advisers. people felt like bill clinton got them just at the gut, and they felt like hillary was aloof, distant. >> and that's how trump voters and lots of americans feel about trump. >> you have to find the right
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person. >> well, you know, there's a funny part in your special about why people went for trump and the guy says, this guy craps on a gold toilet and he got the working people to vote for him, you know, but a great point is made that, you know, the problems that we had a generation ago in urban america are not the problems you see in, you know, white, middle america, you know, drug overdoses, families breaking up, and joblessness. you know, the center of town looks blighted. i mean, i travelled this country doing stand-up all the time. i've seen it. that's one reason i thought trump could get elected. you drive throug a lot of these cities just from the airport to the hotel to the gate and you're like, oh, wow, this place looks like crap. somebody could win an election here. yeah. >> do you think -- is this circus of trump -- so it entertaining people is this it's great for you, obviously, but --
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>> good for business. i can't deny. >> but is there a danger that the circus becomes the new norm? >> well, there's definitely a danger. i mean, i have gone through some very dark moments right before the election, right after it, because, look, he's besieged now by the russia investigation and he can't get his legislation through congress and to forth, but it's only six months in. say the russia card is played out. doesn't necessarily mean it's going work. he could survive the whole russia thing. usually, you know, when you go after the leader and you don't get him, he becomes stronger. he totally wants to be a dictator. it's so obvious. the people he admires in the world -- putin, even kim jong-un he said is a smart cookie. it one that long ago he said i'd be honored the rain fire and fury on you.
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you know, duarte and that nut in turkey. these are the people he likes. he so wants to be that guy who can do whatever he wants. i asked a panel last week, ralph reed, do you think putin has offensive board eed people to kill? he said absolutely. i said do you think trump would do that if he could? i do pip think if trump could do that he would do all the things dictators do. so, yes, that's very frightening. >> and if he were, let's say, if mueller came up with something this substantial, a lot-people wonder trump may just go to the mattresses, you know, he mi maye fight back. richard nixon accepted the verdict in the sense of the american judicial system. would trump? >> i don't know if he was going the accept losing this last election. i mean, right up until the moment he lost it was all aboutitis rigged, the whole thing is rigged, it's unfair. now he's talking about how oh,
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you know, it's just an excuse, this russian thing, just an excuse, he tells his people, to take the election away from you. yeah. once somebody like that gets power, i don't know if you get them to give it up. nor do i trust voting next time. this is an ongoing problem. this isn't something that happened once, the meddling in the election. they're going the d it again. comey said so when he testified before congress. he said they're going to come back. this is crow who is found something to kill and they like that nest and they're not just going to go away quietly until we stop them. but the president, who's supposed to be our commander in chief in this washgs and it is a war, is awol in the battle. to me that's impeachable. >> so here you are, you do comedy and you sound leukemia you're having some dark thoughts. >> i am. i mean, he sued me once. i can only imagine if he had dictatorial power what is he would do to people he doesn't
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like. i mean, it's obvious that if you're not on the side of just completely kissing his behind, then you're an enemy. i mean, he goes after mitch mcconnell and his own attorney general. what do you think he would do to somebody like me if he ever heard the things -- thank god he doesn't watch the show. people say, do you think trump watches the show? i hope not. please, i hope he does not watch this show. >> in other words, you'd be in jail. >> yeah. i could be. >> bill maher, pleasure to have you here. >> for as long as it lasts. thank you, fareed. for me. bye. another referral. our customers love us. (nail gun firing) (glass egg shattering) when the unexpected strikes... don't worry we've got you covered. the hartford strikes back.
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thanks to all after you for being part of my program this week. i will see you next week. hey, i'm brian stelter. welcome to our viewers in the united states and around the world. this is "reliable sources," our look at the story behind the story, how the media works and how the news gets made. coming up, president trump and rupert murdoch and how big-money lawsuits are endangering newsrooms. first, breaking news. the white house now responding to overwhelming criticism of the president's saturday statement about the violence in charlottesville. his speech will be remembered and not fondly as the many-sides speech for not explicitly calling out and condemning the white nationalists, the racists and anti-semites who came to charlottesville and protested on friday and saturday. now on sunday morning the white house