tv Fareed Zakaria GPS CNN August 20, 2017 7:00am-8:00am PDT
this is gps, the global public square. welcome to those in the united states and around the world. i'm fareed zakaria. we'll start the show with steve bannon exiting stage right. what will a trump administration look like without the president's chief strategist. more vehicles used as weapons, the spain attacks. is there any way to protect against such acts of terror.
is this the new normal? i'll talk to peter bergen. can america learn any lessons from tackling an ugly past? why the president's disgust with the deal with iran could lead to a show down next month. here's my take. much of america has reacted swiftly and strongly to donald trump's suggestion there is a moral equivalent between the white supremacists and those who protested against them in charlottesville, virginia. but the delayed, qualified and mealy mouthed reaction to those in the leading class tell a disturbing story about the elites. the least respected of today's leaders are, of course,
politicians. the public views them as cowardly and pandering to polls and focus groups. that's how many too many republican officials have behaved in the face of trump's reactions. many, with some honorable exceptions, have gone mute on the biggest subject of the day. i know they worry about the base, primaririeprimariries, rio nors. shouldn't they ask themselves about their public and why they went into public service. when they see someone trampling on the values of america, shouldn't they speck up forcefully without qualifications. business leaders are the most respected and envied today. they get paid on a scale that makes their predecessors look middle class and live in a
bubble of private planes, helicopters and mansions. they have the security that allow them to set standards and lead. instead for the most part they've been cowards also. they think trump is a snake oil salesman. in the past many chose not to do business with him because they believed he was unethical. others were amused by his candy si but regarded his rhetoric on refuge refugees, trade as loathsome. few distanced themselves from them after the both sides. has merck's leader not resigned, it's unclear whether others would have spoken out. after trump doubled down some of them realized there was no alternative. america did have more public
elites at one point. not all were born rich but they knew they had a secure place across the country. they pope lated the board rooms, public offices and best schools. this security gave them comfort in exercising moral leadership. today we have a more merritt-based elite. it has allowed all people to rise up into positions of power and influence. but they're more insecure, anxious, self-centered. worried about the next primary or fund-raiser. ceos live with the fear they might lose their job or customers in an instant. they might not think they have the luxury to be high minded but they do. they are more secure than most people in america or human history. if they cannot act out of broader interest, who can? the group of leaders who deserve
the most praise are the military brass this week. in an act of leadership all five of the heads of the armed forces denounced racism and bigotry. perhaps because it has most successfully integrated america's diverse population. perhaps it's because a sense of honor and value still holds. america's other elites should perhaps take note. for more go to cnn.com slash fareed and read my "washington post" column this week and let's get start. in the wake of the charlottesville rally and attack last weekend the new yorker
published an article entitled, is america headed for a new kind of civil war? the reporter talked to experts and came to startling conclusions. what is going on in america. joining me now, robyn wright, the reporter for that article. she's a joint fellow of the u.s. institute of peace. angela wry is a cnn political correspondent she's a former executive director to the congressional black kaus cuss. mark is an author of a terrific new book. and roy blunt jr. is an author, and former reporter. he spent his formative years in the south and that is still somewhat of a muse for him. he's written a book about it, including a biography of robert e. lee. steve bannon is out of the
white house but his influence steam soo seems to still dominate saying he agrees with you, that as long as the left plays identity politics it's great for the right. he said bring it on i'd love to see more of it. and it appears that donald trump, whether he has him in the white house or not, he is listening to that because that is the strategy that the trump administration and trump personally is pursuing. >> if steve bannon says it works for him, i'm inclined to agree with him. he's someone who knows his business. identity politics in this country means two things. it means a focus on understanding our social problems and to understand any problem in america, you need to understand identity. but when it comes to addressing those problems, identity politics as a strategy has been disastro
disastrous. because rather than establishing a connection between those who are affected by these problems and those who may be unaware of them or unaffected, you need to build a bridge between people. >> when you say blacks say these are black issues, whites don't feel like they contact to them. >> it's worse than that i think in some of the more radical identity groups they say you must understand my problems and you can't understand because you're not me and you're not in my group. that's a terrific turnoff for people and it's a missed opportunity to build a sbrbridg and see there are certain principles we share in this country. it's an opportunity to gain al lies. and identities lose allies. >> it's been played by nonliberals as well. in a sense the right has played with some form of identity
politics, just white identity politics. that's what the dog whisles about raise have been. >> you think about the war on drug, think about when the tea party rose for the first time and they started talking about let's take our country back. you think about donald trump saying make america great again. what makes it not great? he announced, he came down the escalator on his campaign that mexicans were drug dealers and rapist. so it's clear that anything other is wrong, it's bad. you can't relate to it and it's damaging the country. i was nervous about what you would say about identity politics and i can't agree with you more about building bridges. the challenge is when i'm forced to present my issues in a way that's comfortable to you, that
means i'm uncomfortable. where's the bridge that goes both way to have a dialogue to foster understanding. i often find myself on the defense because so often i'm in the minority. it's a minority view from a minority person that you think is angry. so there's so many hurdles to get across the bridge. >> your point is economic issues -- >> it's more than that. it means reinterpreting what the view is. for example i am not a black male motorist, i never will be, and i don't understand what it's like to be in the situation when you look in the rear view mirror and see the lights going. however i am a citizen and i understand what it means not to be equally protected under the law. if you put the experience under a principle we all share, then people can identify. but if you say you cannot understand my experience because
of your background, you're inviting people to close the door. >> robyn wright, it seems to me it gets to the fundamental issue in your article which is we seem to be so far apart. we seem to be so far apart as a country. what i've been struck by in the last few days is the stunning degree of support for donald trump's position after charlottesville. the very high support for maintaining every confederate monument. these are, you know -- these are in the 70% range for republicans, i think the 80% range on some depending on how you ask the question. that gets to your article. is this gulf so wide that you think, on the basis of that reporting, we are in for a new kind of civil strife, if not civil war? >> i think no one is talking about the battles along
geographic lines that characterized the civil war 100 years ago. they're talking about low intensity conflict with sporadic violence that results calling out the national guard. i think you've seen a number of conditions in this country that get far beyond identity politics although emerge from identity politics. with no middle ground, no meeting place to resolve it. it's the institutions such as the courts and the abandonment of the higher moral ground by leadership it's the legit mization of violence as a means of engaging in discourse or resolving disputes. there are things that are worrisome. i went to college in the late '60s and early '70 during the period of the civil rights movement and the united states has in the past had a process of self-correction, through courts
or legislation. we got back on track. what's worrisome now is you find that the leadership in the country is not taking that higher moral ground and it is fanning the flames of polarization. and the firing of steve bannon is not going to get us beyond this moment in history. beyond the divisiveness. the problems started long before charlottesville and the danger is because of the support we see by so many behind donald trump that this is something that is going to be with us for quite a while. >> roy, how much of this is the south? how much of this is the -- you know, the fact that we have never completely come to terms with -- that i think about it because when people say there's some similarity to -- the germans dealt with their past. well, they dealt with it because it is clear in modern german
interpretation that all the nazi henchmen were bad, evil people. you will never find a sta chew statue to them. there is ambivalence to robert e. lee. >> he was a symbol not just the south but the whole country seemed to need somebody after the civil war. the civil war was a horrible sorted karnage. it was a horrible thing. it was just disgusting that war. so they put up the statue in georgia that says, no nation rose so white and fair, none fell so pure of crime. that is like standing on the corner and saying we never did anything wrong. you know, it's embarrassing. it's lewd chris. so for me i'd love to take those things down. and robert e. lee was a living statue or recently deceased statue who was supposedly pure.
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politics. will it reinforce a die hard opposition on the left. your book is written as a once and futurely bral. you don't want them to play identity politics but what do you do if the other side is playing identity politics. >> the first thing you have to recognize is it works for them and doesn't work for us. but beyond that, i think what's important here and it showed up in robyn wright's article is there's some blue missing in the country. something that keeps us together. it's not that we're logger heads but we're drifting apart. there once used to be a democratic party vision, a liberal vision of what we stood for, what made us citizens, how we could work together in a political way on the basis of solidarity and equal protection. then there was the reagan view, the less government the better. we're by ourselves in our
families and churches. good luck to you. that vision was destroyed by donald trump. he destroyed reagan's party. now neither party -- >> in a sense you're saying liberals never had a response to reagan's vision. they retreated into identity politics. >> that's right. reagan's vision was antipolitical. and it was a time for liberals to make the case for democratic life in the legitimacy of government and helping each other out. by retreating they made a tactical mistake, i think, and i don't think many people have a sense, and i don't think democrats have a sense, of what their vision of the future was, is. if you listen to the rhetoric of j.f.k. or f.d.r. or reagan. you get a sense of what kind of world they want to create. without a national narrative,
without ideologies that bring parties together we become like elementary particles flying around and that's how the trouble starts. >> how do you bring the democrats or country today. >> as a democrat, at least someone who votes democrat, i disagree a little bit. they introduced a plan that leans more to economics, and i think that there's a struggle when you are known to be a big tent there are a lot of different interests that you have to cater to. i think historically democrats have struggled to figure out what is that sweet spot as well as this country that people call melting bolt, i prefer jumbah lie ya. i think our history is challenging and full of
hypocrisy. until we can embrace what that narrative is we're not going to get further ahead. >> that seems to me to be a recipe for more conflict because as we tell that history, there are a lot of people who will say that's not my history and as roy blunt was saying, you're politicizing it or i just feel like you're going to get a backlash. >> well, we haven't -- we haven't resolved many of the issues that surfaced during the civil war, including how do you ensure people of color not only voting rights but equal rights so there are haunting questions that have to be addressed. the 14th amendment is still divisive in this country. one of the things about parties is if you look at the period in the run up to the civil war. you saw the i did sint graduation of the wig party and the democrats dividing into northern and southern democrats.
that there are some uncan any parallels and haunting questions that this nation has not moved together to try to resolve. it and plays out in this issue of statue, pieces of steel. >> you covered the civil rights movement, you interviewed martin luther king. it seems to me robyn's article suggests what we might end up with is another period like the late 50s and '60s. where you had deep plit political division, some violence. a conflict that didn't seem like it could be mediated. what seems similar and different? >> i was living in the south then and you had the majored -- the majority of white people were on the wrong side and so were the majority of the governors and police. but you had the national level
in the white house. you know, we had kennedy and johnson and they were pretty good. but now we have all the way to the top it's on the wrong side. i mean, we have a president that can't tell the difference between nazis and antinazis. that's very unsettling. very confusing and very encouraging to the nazis. and so, in some ways, it's more indefinite and scarier now, i think. i don't want to get into shooting, but there was lots of that in the civil rights movement and there are lots of guns out there now. >> on that sobering note we have to leave it thank you all. next, from charlottesville to spain, cars used as weapons. what powers the digital world. communication.
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unable to weaponize planes so they've turned to cars and vans. we've seen it in france and e england and spain. what to make of it all. joining me now is cnn national securities analyst peter ber gen. >> what is the big picture? what was your reaction to watching once again a vehicle used. >> since 2014 we've seen 14 of these vehicle attacks in the west. they've killed 129 people and just as school shooters learn from others and try to copycat them, terrorists look at other work and try to copy cat them. you look at the 9/11 attacks that required a great deal of training, money and time. the type of attack we saw in barcelona doesn't require any of
that. >> when you look at the attacks is it fair to say these guys can't do something more spectacular? is this the weapon of the weak? the easiest way to do something? >> i agree. as you look at what unfolded in barcelona. they blew up a bomb which didn't succeed in doing what they wanted. they had fake explosives, the terrorists killed. they used vehicles to ram. this is not isis directed trained finance attack we saw in paris where everybody was armed, well trained. they had bombs, killed 130 people. so from what we know right now, it looks like an isis-inspired attack. isis claimed it was from a form they use when they're not directly involved other than an inspirational way. that's what this looks like now. >> the obama administration
warned that as isis was losing ground, territory and money, there would be a wave of terror attacks, particularly returning warriors going back. is this one of them? >> yes and no. the french said earlier this month they've had 221 militants return. so there is a concern about foreign fighters who may have come back over the last several years. but that concern is rekraeding because so many are dieing on the battlefields of iraq and syria. >> what does one done and relatedly, who are these people? >> we've seen by an antimuslim attack in london. we saw charlottesville, right
wing killing somebody. so protecting against these attacks is impossible because there's so many potential targets. you can protect very high profile events, symbolic targets but then you run into the problem you protect those targets there are other tarts to go after. i think the key is peer and family members. when law enforcement looked at the question, the people who know most about radicalization and plot planning are family members, which is not that easily necessarily, is the way to stop this. >> peter bergen always a font of wisdom. next how to me moralize a troubled past. what the american south can learn from, all of places, germany. it's time for the biggest sale of the year
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world segment. i want to start by pronouncing a huge german word, in typical german fashion it is a word that means something very specific, reckons with the past. it's entirely appropriate that it should be a distinctly german word because the concept is one that has been taken more seriously by modern germany than any country in the world, certainly the united states. over the years since world war ii they have gone through the process of reck connoning with history. it's not been immune to push back and backlash, but by and large the country has rejected its nazi past. someone who uses a swats ka or a
hitler wave, it is illegal. nowadays you can barely walk the streets of berlin without being reminded of the dead. around the country there are tens of thousands of brass plaques in the crowd which each bear witness to a nazi victim who lived at that location. it's a project overseen by a german artist, privately funded, in the 1990's started. >> rather than memorializing each individual victim throughout the count, the memorial is a collective honoring to the victims most of whom never got a proper bur yal and whose names are unknown. the stumbling blocks upset
people by saying they are walking on victims. but wrestling with the country's history is not easy and should not be. america is suffering as well. there is a museum of ever american history. but museums and monuments serve two different purposes. m monuments honor those that walked in opposition to the united states because they wanted to defend slavery. last year they found there was still more unanimothan 700 conf monuments, and that's on top of schools and military bases named for confederates. there are few memorials to the slaves who were oppressed in these same lands. one of the reasons germany was able to confront its past was
america. when it occupied germany, the allied powers prohibited the sis play of any monument, poster, statue, street or highway name marker, tablet or insignia which commemorates the nazi party. they urged germany to demonstrate they could bury the naziism and welcomed a new germany into the world. the circumstances are very different, of course, but some of the lessons in germany might well apply today. next on gps president trump has never hidden his disdain for the deal in iran, now it appears he is ready to kill it, what does that mean? we'll explore when we come back.
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tensions between the united states and iran have been red hot in recent weeks and they might be about to get even ho hotter there have been warning shots fired against ships, and close calls with iran plans have buzzed the military. remember the president once termed the iran deal the worst deal ever. but twice now he has declared iran in compliance. however he expects to declare iran noncompliant when the next review is due. they have put together a team of aids to pull together the intelligence to do that. earlier this week, iran's president said his nation's nuclear program could be restarted within hours if new u.s. sanctions are imposed. my next guest was key to putting
the sanctions into place that caused the iran deal to happen. former treasurer and cia official david cohen joins me now. glad to have you. >> glad to be here. >> president trump says he is sure that iran is not in compliance but he wants to do a review. i don't understand this. is this standard? is this unprecedented for the president to arrive at a conclusion first and then have a process? >> well, it's -- it's very disconcerting. and it stand it is intelligence process on its head. the question that the president is asked to certify every 90 days under legislation that congress enacted as part of the iran nuclear deal is whether iran is complying with its obligations under the deal or whether it's in material breech of any of those obligations.
under gurting that is an intelligence assessment. our intelligence that has access to what our allies around the world are collecting and iaea reports and other sources of open information are in the best position to make that assessment of whether iran is complying with the nuclear deal. what the president has said is his in judgment iran is not complying. and he asked a group in the white house to provide him with justification, with intelligence to support his preconceived notion that iran is not complying with a nuclear deal. if our intelligence is degraded because it is politicized in the way that looks like the president wants to do here, that undermines the utility of that intelligence all across the board. whether we're talking about
north korea, counter terrorism, you name the international problem, we need others around the world to work with us and one way we get others to work with us is by being able to use our intelligence and for people to believe that it's credible and reliable. if it's plo list sized that is undermin undermined. >> what would it mean, in the context that the agency tasked with figuring this out internationally, the iaea, has says iran is compliant. >> the first is if the united states determines that iran is not compliant, the president refuses to certify compliance, it can go to the united nations and seek to have the sanctions that were suspended snapped back into place. but as a practical matter, you're not going to have the
rest of the international community, our allies in europe, the russians and the chinese coming along with us to reimpose real pressure on iran. so you'll have a real pressure from the rest of the world on reinstating sanctions on iran. >> they'll say they tell us iran is compliance, you think they're not. you can put back whatever sanctions we want, that way we get to do business without any american firms to worry about and compete with us. >> it fundamentally won't work. if you don't have the other countries agreeing to adhere to these sanctions, they will have their own domestic law that is allow their businesses to do -- to do work with the iranians and
american businesses will be disadvantaged and that tl won't be any real pressure on iran. on the other side, the iranians having pulled out of the deal will feel they're absolved from adhering to their commitments under the nuclear deal. so maybe they'll begin to build up more enriched uranium, everything the deal is to prevent them from doing. >> the objections and protests that are -- >> absolutely. >> -- like testing missiles but they were never part of the deal. they were never disallowed from testing missiles. >> that was not part of the nuclear deal but it's significant. the iranians continue to engage in behavior that supports
terrorist activities. the nuclear deal was designed to address iran's nuclear program. it wasn't designed to address everything about the regime that is troublesome. we need to continue to address those other issues but there's no reason to throw out the nuclear deal because we are dissatisfied with their behavior in other areas. next on gps you don't hear much about quaguam thanks to no korea it was atop the news. now that threat has seemed to reseed, now there is another one that the island has to content with. i'll explain. ♪
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last week google fired a male employee over his 3, 300 word memo that claimed women are under represented partly because of biological differences. today only 31% of google's employees are women. in the company's tech sector that falls to 20%. it brings me to my question of the week. what percentage of fortune 500 ceos are women 32%, 27%, 19% or 6%. stay tuned and we'll tell you the answer.
this week's book of the week is "the once and future liberal" which you heard about earlier. it's about the decline of american lib ra lichl. explains how they went from the successes to the fit falls of today's politics. it's an important book for anyone understanding how we got here. this week guam breathed a sigh of relief after kim jong-un said he would launch a little more the foolish and stupid conduct of the yankees before firing a missile. but there is another problem pestering the island. there are as many as 2 million brown tree snakes, for every one human there are 12 of this invasive species slithers through the trees.
they have cost millions by shorting the island's electrical system, killed most of the native bird species, did i mention 12 in this cases for every human. the solution seems to be drugged mice. tree snakes love to eat mice and are easily killed by accede minnow fin, tylenol. the usda has done this multiple times before going back seven years and they are now set for another round in october giving them a slightly less terrifying reason to look toward the sky. the answer to my "gps" challenge question is d, only 6% are female ceos. there are more women than ever before, even though the number seems small.
meaning it does show progress. they're smallest in the tech world, only 26% were female according to the bureau of labor statistics. but even with things looking up, there is a long way to go. thanks to all of you for being part of my program this week. i will see you next week. welcome to our viewers in the united states and around the world. this is "reliable sources" our weekly program about the media. this is not a normal week so this is not a normal show. president trump's actions and inactions in the wake of charlottesville are provoking some uncomfortable conversations, mostly off the air if we're being honest. in discussions among friend gs and family and on social media people are questioning the president's fitness. but it's happening in m