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breaking news tops the hours. it's a cnn exclusive, sources say u.s. officials wiretapped paul manafort from a secret court before and after the election. joining us is page la brown who broke the story and have the details about why the government was listening to someone so close to the president. pam, what have you learned? >> and rson, sources tell us that the fbi got permission to monitor paul manafort before and after the election. this is an extraordinary step for the fbi to do surveillance of a high-ranking campaign official. and, of course, manafort is at the center of the russia meddling probe. we're told that are intercepted
communications that raise concerns among investigators about whether manafort was encouraging russians to help with the campaign. other sources cautioned that this intelligence was not conclusive. special counsel robert mueller's team has been provided all these communications. that is all part of its investigation that's ongoing, anderson. >> what do you mean by the word encouraging? >> to be clear, there's a lot we don't know exactly about what was said in these intercepted communications. but what we're told by sources is that the fbi has communications between suspected russian operatives relaying what they claimed were discussions with paul manafort, along with communications involving manafort himself. none of this is what people consider a smoking gun in this investigation, and there's still more work being done to determine whether it's a criminal violation here. we should also know that we didn't get a comment from paul manafort's spokesperson. but manafort previously denied that he knowingly communicated with russian intelligence operatives during the election and he's denied them undermining
u.s. interests. >> they monitored him two separate times. do we know exactly when? >> we don't know exactly when. but we have a little insight into when this secret order began after manafort became the subject of an fbi investigation in 2014. it centered on work done by a group of washington consulting firms for you on crane's ukraine's former ruling party. the surveillance was discontinued at some point last year for lack of evidence according to one of the sources, and then the fbi restarted the surveillance after obtaining a new warrant, a new fisa warrant. that extended at least into early this year. our sources say the second warrant was part of the fbi effort to investigate ties between trump campaign associates and suspected russian operatives. it is unclear when the new warrant started and as part of fisa warrant we've learned earlier this year the fbi also conducted a search of a storage facility belonging to manafort.
and this past july, anderson, as you know, his home in virginia was raided by the fbi. >> that's important. we don't know when the second warrant began. the reporting is it lasted until the beginning of this year. do we know whether president trump spoke with manafort while manafort was under surveillance? >> this is what's interesting, anderson. we've been told by sources that the president and manafort were still talking earlier this year, well after the campaign. during the same time frame the fbi was listening to manafort's phone. so it is certainly possible that those conversations were collected. >> so was the president right when he tweeted that now famous tweet early on that he just learned that obama had tapped his wires at trump tower? >> he was specific to having his wires tapped and the justice department has come out and denied that the president's own lines were wiretapped. as we said, it is entirely possible he was picked up on the
manafort surveillance, and we should note that manafort has a residence in trump tower, though it's not clear if the fbi did surveillance on him there, anderson. >> fascinating reporting, pam brown, appreciate it. want to bring in the panel. scott jennings, asia, how tough as it to get two fisa warnings? >> these are pretty difficult to get. there's a statistic out there that only some handful of fisa orders get rejected, but that's because they go through a lot of vetting before they get to the fisa court. i've gotten these before, they're lengthy, 70 to 100 pages. you're listing the factual assertions to support your believe, the probable cause this person is an agent of a foreign power and engaging in clandestine -- >> you're writing down all the
intelligence you believe you have. >> you have had to gather all the evidence you have to get this. and therefore the electric swains will give you intelligence information. i've been through as an agent, the doj lawyers come back and make you support every statement in that affidavit before they will walk it into a court. so we're talking, you know, many, many hours that go into this application. >> is it unusual that the first one -- i guess it would lapse or they would let it go, or they didn't find any -- what they were looking for and get another one down the road. >> it's not necessarily unusual. for a u.s. person, the government has to go back into the fisa court every 90 days and say, look, we told you that we thought we were going to get foreign intelligence information, here's what we got in the last 90 days. if they go in at a 90-day check-in and they haven't gotten anything, the court is going to say you need
to shut this down until you can justify restarting it. sounds like in this case they weren't getting something for a period of time. it was shut down. to me this says the system is working the way it should, the checks are there. and then they got additional information that he was communicating with the russians and they were able to put together a new fisa application to restart it. >> there's a lot we don't know obviously, even the timing. what do you make of it? >> this is something that's been an issue of ongoing concern for people around trump going all the way back to the campaign. according to cnn's story, what prompted the second fisa warrant was manafort's connections to a political party in ukraine connected to the former president. it's worth remembering, that's what's what got manafort kicked out of the trump campaign last august. his name showed up on ledgers that seemed to suggest he got millions of dollars in cash payment. there's been a sense for a long time this is potentially problematic, and i think this is that same problem rearing its head once again. >> what do you make?
>> i think it's tempting to say it looks suspicious if you can get a fisa warrant for them to lin in on you, then it looks suspicious. to your point of all theory gore they go through, there is issue that there's nobody there to represent -- to provide a counterargument against what is being argued. >> there's no one representing the individual. >> individualized like this, no. presumably it's an article 3 federal judge that's going to hold this to a high standard. in this case, i think knowing that this was somebody potentially associated with the campaign, i think a judge might have eyed it especially carefully. >> does this concern you. >> it's very concerning. i think of the impact of people that may have spoken to manafort
on the phone during these periods. if you work in the administration today, you're thinking, my gosh, did i talk to this phone during the period of this wiretapping. i'm already worried about the massive legal bills. you have to remember, the white house counsel does not represent you as a white house staffer, they only represent the office of the president. that's a concern and causes high anxiety among people who need to be focused on running the country. i have concern about the political impact. if it's true what the "new york times" says tonight and manafort is going to be indicted, if others get indicted between now and the midterms, what impact does that have on the republican party? because i'll guarantee you this, whatever happy memories, donald trump has with working with nancy pelosi and chuck schumer will be distant if they get control of the congress. the subpoenas will fly. articles of impeachment will fly. all before you can say hashtag resistance. this is another concerning moment. >> those things are all of concern, not from a perspective of who's going to win or lose the midterm elections. everything you just said should be concerning to all of us as
americans regardless of our party or whose party it helps or hurts. i think you're right, we don't know everything from mr. manafort's perspective. but i think it is important to note that a fisa warrant is different than how people think of their local police department warrants. sometimes rightly or wrongly we think of those as fishing expeditions. that is not an equivalent comparison to a fisa warrant which are much more specific and as you said, have true checks and balances which we see working here. quite frankly, that we have this panel, that we have this reporting, that we have this issue being discussed is a terrible statement about the state of the presidency of the united states right now regardless of what happens. and forget who's going to cut what deals between the house, the senate, and the white house. this is a moment of real political potential crisis in the core of our democracy.
>> it's also possible that they go after manafort in order to get him to cut a deal. they indict him on one thing being an agent of a foreign government without registering and hope he flips if there's something to flip on. >> absolutely. and you have michael flynn out there too. you have the former national security advicer, campaign manager, both in a vulnerable position, potentially willing to talk. scott, you make a valid point. there is a political aspect to this, and donald trump, we've been talking about the pivot, maybe he did start to pivot. he had john kelly as his chief of staff, maybe starting to rein some things in. he was working in bipartisan fashion on the daca deal. nancy pelosi was basically booed off stage in san francisco today. trump handled the hurricanes fairly well, and he's speaking at the u.n. tomorrow. so this is a guy who has been the -- the bar is low, but on a roll for donald trump. he seems like he might have turned the corner and this story has come back.
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indict you. is that standard procedure they would tell somebody that we are going to indict you? >> they can tell a target of an investigation that they are a target. if they did let him now he was going to be indicted, it could be pressure if they want him to talk, for example, this is coming and this is your chance. with the -- with the search warrant, i have to admit i was surprised when i heard it was a no-knock warrant. they picked the lock and break down the door. you normally do that when you think someone is go ing to get rid of evidence. i never heard of someone flushing their tax returns down the toilet in five minutes. for whatever reason, they believe that he was going to destroy something. a judge did sign off on it. >> so a judge would have to approve that in advance? >> you would have to justify it to a judge that you have to take that extra intrusive step of potentially using a battering ram to knock the door down. a judge is going to have to sign their name to it. when we talk about the targets
in this investigation, every judge knows that their name is going to be on -- whether it's a fisa order or search warrant. so i think they will always be scrutinizing it with extra care. >> you may not know this, but if they're picking the lock to get in the house, does that mean the fbi picks a lock and open the door and they announce, fbi we're here, or do they go into the office and try to get files. >> they will announce. i think what they would do is you would have a team of agents. probably the lead agent would go to his bedroom directly. they're going to find the guy in his pajamas. >> they would try to inform him as soon as possible. >> they want to make sure they can secure the location. people react poorly when you barge into their house. >> i would imagine. >> people react poorly when you barge into their house. they're going to go direct ly to him and secure anyone else in the house. sometimes you have screaming children. it's a chaotic situation, but
they will secure everybody and then go to all the items. >> but it's really very significant. >> it is. it's a huge step. >> and it's not -- i'd say it's probably less typical in high-profile situations like this. >> right. >> that are kind of corruption and ethics related on the highest level to have this kind of a warrant. it really is very extreme, to even think about the cases we think of when you think of high-level government corruption, you don't have these kind of -- >> is part of that to send a message to show you're doing tough tactics? i think the "new york times" used shock and awe that that's how some people are interpreting how mueller is going about this? >> i don't think of mueller as someone who needs to do that. he's a marine, purple heart, bronze star, he's mueller. once he's on you, i think you already know he means business.
they don't have to knock your door down. >> if there's digital evidence they might have -- i'm not a cyber expert, so i don't know how quickly that can be deleted or something, but they clearly had some concern that something was going to disappear. >> it means something, either he's trying to make a point, which i tend to degree with you, or it means they thought that manafort could get rid of it quickly, but it doesn't mean nothing. >> whether or not the aggressive approach was meant to send a message, the fact is it did send a message. i spent today calling around to some folks who worked on the trump campaign, who were in the periphery who spoke with and knew manafort and they're worried about the way this went down and what seems to be this closing in around manafort and what the "times" reporter was likely an indictment. >> to scott's point, he was talking about the economic impact on a wide circle of people who happened to have been in a room and all of a sudden they have to get a lawyer and that's very expensive,
and they can't accept gifts so they have to pay for it themselves. >> that was my question. but i think what really worried the people i spoke to was the reputational damage. if you have to hire a lawyer, yes, that hurts your pocketbook. but if you're a young staffer but it tarnishes your name that might make you radioactive. >> does it make people suspect each other? does it make people kind of question everything? >> i asked that question too. coincidentally. and the snide answer i got was there isn't a lot getting done in this white house, but i would imagine it would. i mean, we've heard stories going back a couple of months now that white house staffers are nervous about talking to each other. there's been talk that they might be wired, all sort of suspicion that already existed before this story came out. >> you worked for george w. bush. you want to trust the people you work with. i can't imagine if in my work environment if i was worried that everybody around was leaking stuff or potentially being pursued on criminal charges.
>> i worked in a white house that was being invested. i worked for carl rowe. and he was under investigation after the democrats took over in november of '06, they launched a myriad of investigations. there's anxieties and stress that goes along with this. sure, there's the possibility you could suspect your coworker is listening to your conversation, but the real impact is on your mental state. you have an extraordinarily stressful job at the white house. it's an important place. when you lay erthat on top of it, you worry about the mental impact of focusing on your job while the anxiety is seeping in about maybe not what's just happening to you, but the people around you. you worry about them. >> i think there's also a toll -- this is an obvious point but it probably bears repeating. this is an unprecedented situation. if you're a conservative or a republican and you're skeptical of the deep state, maybe you've been reading too much facebook, i don't know. this could look like they are
trying to go after a candidate who's running for president that they are spying on him, that they are wiretapping trump tower. i think that, obviously, there's the other side that said, well, paul manafort was a pretty sketchy guy who was involved in very questionable things. but i think this obviously takes a big toll on the country. and i'm pretty sure you can expect some conservatives saying that it's not -- >> especially with the tweet before about president obama tapping his wires. >> we're going to get a quick break. when we come back, new reporting from the "new york times" where the president's lawyer was overheard at a steak house about the russia probe. later it could be the first category 5 hurricane to hit puerto rico since cool ij was president.
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the attorney said white house lawyers were disagreeing with how much to cooperate with mueller's russia probe and said they have documents locked in a safe. back with the panel now. i said the carl bernstein how much easier would water gate have been if they were talking about secret recordings at restaurant. it's amazing that you hear people talking on the train, like doctors or businesspeople saying inappropriate things, but this level -- >> you think of this level with lawyers. you expect lawyers to be a little more circumspect considering the kind of relationship they have with their clients. it would be like a psychiatrist sitting there talking openly about one of their clients. the fact they are recognizable and people know who they are, but look, this is kind of consistent with donald trump. he's got a lot of people around him that aren't really ready for rime time. with something so sensitive as this, they're going to get
themselves into some real trouble here. >> literally if you were trying to get something out in public, you would do it at that place. it's the worst place possible. and then to be recognized, if he didn't have that handle bar mustache, they probably wouldn't have noticed it was him. it's pretty amazing. i would say, in defense on the lawyers, though, if you ever worked on a campaign or even covered a campaign, you have nothing else to talk about. you want to go out to lunch and you want to get out, and you have nothing else to say, man, they could have picked -- they could not have picked a worse place. >> that's usually why the lawyers don't go out with the field staff. they have to go home because -- >> or a more remote table or a back room or something. >> they are at a sidewalk cafe, >> sidewalk cafe, they were on the street next to "the new york times." it's like standing on 8th avenue and 40th street and screaming things at "the new york times." it's insane. >> the thing that's so shocking is these aren't campaign staffers.
these are washington wisemen lawyers with years of experience who are brought in specifically because they don't do bone headed things like the staffers do. >> ty cobb isn't like his new york attorney that suddenly the attorney is back in new york. he's an experience washington guy. >> this is second issue recently. before this it was that he was fooled by an e-mail prankster into answering a whole bunch of questions. >> this is third incident after he accused a reporter -- or he asked her if she was on drugs in that extended -- >> in terms of revealing information, he revealed -- >> as opposed to being just incompetent. >> so if i'm the president, i'm calling these guys in tomorrow, well, after he finishes with the u.n. you have to give these guys a good trashing. this is not acceptable at this level. >> jeff too bin raised a point. not everybody is the
president's attorney. they're not his personal attorneys, so he doesn't have the same attorney-client privilege. with ty cobb as he does with don mcgahn. >> i don't know what kind of clown shoe operation they're running, but i'm embarrassed as an attorney. you have an ethical duty toward your client. here john daud is the president's personal attorney. he's defending trump in his personal capacity. ty cobb is a part of the white house counsel. now, they have slightly different jurisdictions and different privileges they need to protect. they might have an agreement between them that they can discuss things in private. however, once you blab it on a sidewalk in front of the "new york times" and a third party hears it, it opens the door. there's that issue. they also disclosed information that's going on inside the white house, that there might be a
document inside mcgahn's safe. if i'm mueller, i'm going to see that document. and i won't stop until i find it. >> you know what this speaks to, in all seriousness, is a lack of within the trump administration and from the president himself, taking the functioning of government seriously. you're saying he should call the lawyers in for a tongue lashing. really all of these people were hired by the president of the united states. he's the head of this organization. their arrogance and lack of believing that the legal rules apply to them completely mirrors the president of the united states. what you just talked about is critical to the functioning of government. i know that from when i was in the city council, and they have a total disregard for government. >> a couple guys screwed up here, no question, but i think some of the people are acting professionally. i think don mcgahn is do ing a terrific job, not just handling this investigation auxiliary but he's got a big, full plate of things he's working on which appears to be going on. judicial appointments is going
very well. i think that these two guys messed up, but i wouldn't -- >> they're not guys. they're significant people. >> i think some people are acting very well and i think mcgahn is one of them. >> he's the counsel to the president of the united states. and the private lawyer to the president of the united states. these are not two entry level staffers that made a rookie mistake. >> i agree with you. >> they're not two guys -- >> they are two guys that made a mistake. at a very bad level. >> they're two very high-level guys, who i'm sure the president picked who should be at the pinnacle of the legal profession and understand all the requirements that comes to them as officers of the court. >> even separate from that, honestly, would any of us sit there and have a private conversation in this restaurant or any restaurant in this day and age? i wouldn't. >> absolutely not. i have stopped so many conversations with friends, like, this is not happening. >> with twitter feeds and can tape you.
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the president is taking the world stage at the united stations in new york. but on the eve of an important moment, he was tweeting about hillary clinton. the president retweeted this doctored animated gif showing himself hitting a golf that appears to then hit hillary clinton in the back boarding a plane. it's a mock up from after a year after he won the election. former vice president joe biden just weighed in tweeting, just had the chance to see golf swing tweet. enough. this has to stop. our children are watching. president trump also aimed at north korea taking a poke at kim jong-un calling him rocket man. there are political issues at steak this week too with iran and syria and russia in the mix. back with the panel. the main message at the u.n. is make the united nations great. he did take his speech as an
opportunity to also talk about the large building that he built that was highly successful right across from the u.n., which is a u.n. first. >> definitely. everyone keeps expecting him to be presidential and in certain circumstances, he is. this thing he tweeted about hillary clinton is repulsive in my opinion. it's violent, actually, if you look at it. it's violence against a woman who was the first female nominee for president of the united states. it's just so disrespectful. i don't know what to say anymore. you kind of get to this point where you think, what do you say to this man? how do you get him to stop doing these kinds of things? >> in the past he said it was a retweet. not that he tweeted it. it was a retweet. i guess, in his mind, there's
some difference between retweeting somebody else's >> retweets don't equal endorsements. >> it's a tweet from the president of the united states. it's not a joke. it's not funny. it's violent. i look at that as a woman and i see violence, actually. so i think for him to be retweet ing something like that, get over it, grow up, seriously. when is he going to grow up? >> i agree. get over it. also, by the way, you won. so, like, really, how much of a bully are you that you can't even -- you're a sore winner on top of that. it's nasty, not funny in any way, shape or form. it's violent. he's going to the united nations, an entity made up of many, many countries who have female leaders and have had female leaders far before we will ever have one. what message does that send to those nations and the women and girls in those nations and the women leaders who have broken barriers in those countries?
it makes the former -- a former first lady, a former united states senator a former secretary of state, a joke. >> you don't have to be a hillary clinton supporter. this is an accomplished woman who has achieved something historic in our country and in the world. just a little respect. >> scott, how do you see it? >> i tend to think of words like other commodities, the more there are, the less impactable they become, the less valuable they become. he's tweeting about things -- >> it was pictures. >> it dilutes the important things. >> let him finish. >> i don't interrupt you. so i tend to think that he should focus on tweet ing about the things that do have an impact on us every day. these international situations, hurricanes, tax reform. we're apparently sitting at 49
votes for a possible obamacare reform. there are a lot of impactful things going on, this is not one of those things. the more you do, the less impactful the rest of your presidential communications become. i don't mind him communicating via tweets. i want more of the tweets to be on point with serious policies. >> scott, do you mind him tweeting an image that happened to have no words as i understand it of him swinging a golf ball, that golf ball flying through air into another image and knocking secretary clinton onto her face? how do you feel about that? i think we all agree he should focus on world events and national events. so what do you think of that? >> i don't approve of it. i don't like it. i don't mind the president not taking himself as seriously as some people in washington. i don't mind if you have levity in your tweets. >> is that funny? >> i don't particularly find it funny. there's a difference of opinion on that. >> no, there's not.
>> my point is this, when you're the president, you could find things to say that might be funny but might also not be offensive at the same time which a lot of people are certainly offended by this. with the mass amount of stuff that's on his plate, i want to see more communications of an impactful nature. >> to me not taking yourself seriously is tweeting out an image of your hat blowing off and your hair going wild and that you look silly or did you mean. that's not taking yourself seriously. that's laughing at yourself. i don't think this president would ever do something in which people are laughing at him because as we know, that's a common refrain that the world is laughing at us or people are laughing. >> and he thinks violence is funny. i don't want to be too dramatic about it, but he said that during the campaign. i'm paraphrasing, if i stand on 5th avenue and i shoot someone, i'll still be president of the united states. we know he doesn't take violence seriously in the way that it should be taken seriously.
>> we know he's irked by hillary clinton, and has been because she's been on tv question ing the validity of the election. if you're trump, questioning his victory, especially if you're a woman, i think partly this was a reaction to that. he doesn't seem to be able to help himself. >> seems to me there's a difference in how he treats women in this public sphere and men. i don't know that he would do -- would that same mag be tweet ed out by him if it was a guy who got hit by the golf ball? >> i seriously doubt it. he seems obsessed with hillary clinton. we can all agree on that. by her own admission, the other person he's obsessed with is president obama. it would be worse if he had done this and it was a former president, but you pick joe biden, he's not going to do that. he's particularly irked by hillary clinton because she's a woman, period. >> it's strong, opinionated women.
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period, both in person and around the world. >> wow. that really soothes my fragile ego. i can understand why he would want one of these guys around. >> that was obviously a reference to when sean spicer lied about the size of president trump's inaugural crowd, telling people not to believe their own eyes. back now with the panel. obviously apparently it was steven colbert's idea to do this. a lot of people took offense. thinking that it would -- i get why sean spicer would want to do it. it kind of rehabilitates him. he gave an interview two months ago that he had no regrets. he's now apparently told "times" he does regret trashing the press turnover inauguration. >> i'm amazed at the -- first of all, i like it when people make fun of themselves. if you're a strategist tell them, go on saturday night live and make fun of yourself.
but he's not making fun of a gaffe. he's making fun of a lie. that's the first point. secondly, this is a guy who didn't just lie to the media on a daily basis, he berated the news media by name and sometimes humiliated them. the entertainment media, our brothers in arms out there on the west coast are help ing rehabilitate. they're glam orizing him and turning him into a sblebt. i'm stunned. he's been on kimmel and a lot of shows. i'm surprised they're helping him rehabilitate his imagine. >> he now makes this pivot to tell "the new york times" i do regret. with hannity he said he doesn't regret it at all. >> i don't think that stephen colbert should have done this.
i think everything you said is exactly right. this is somebody who just stood up there and screamed and yelled at reporters and berated them. for him to regret it after the fact, he probably would have stay ed there if he hadn't fallen out of favor with donald trump. so i don't think they should help him rebrand himself. >> this is about more than sean spicer too. he made his name as a liar, that's what made him globally famous. but welcoming him into popular culture, it sends a message to future white house officials that you can be an aggressive, outrageous liar, but long term it's not going to do you any damage. you'll be okay. you can be a celebrity afterwards. i don't think that's a message that hollywood should be sending. >> i want to get your take. >> i think this is natural progression of things. we have seen a rapid merger of politics and entertainment through the years. we have entertainers who are looking at running for president
in 2020, so it's only natural that some of the staffers would float back towards entertainment industry. you'll never catch me criticizing anybody with a family and young children trying to do whatever it is they have to do to earn a living. this guy found himself in a highly unusual political circumstances. these are the opportunities now available to him. so if this is what he has to do -- >> he also criticized a lot of reporte reporters, working reporters who have families. nobody forced him to go out there and lie to the president. he could have done the honorable thing and resigned. >> i don't dispute that. >> he had a job before he went there. >> he's not a wealthy person. >> he is a wealthy person. >> if he is >> if he's now on the speakers circuit, he probably would have been more valuable had he actually resigned in protest. >> i don't know that that's true. in the bush white house, we had a press secretary who resigned
in protest, and scott mcclellan was famous for about 15 minutes. where is the guy today? >> can i, just so -- look, sean spicer made a decision. no one forced him to do it. but i think the bigger issue that's being discussed here was sean spicer was the mouthpiece for a long time for an administration that didn't just humiliate individual reporters, had a strategic plan to attack journalism, repeatedly, repeatedly, even if it resulted in threatening behavior towards reporters, which is well documented. so this is a man who didn't just stretch the truth every now and then. he participated in a well orchestrated campaign to erode the fourth estate. >> and now liberals in hollywood are promoting him, and i think it's a -- i've always had this sort of rule that anytime somebody gets a profile done of them, it's inherently glamorous. if somebody -- if steve bannon
gets a profile done of him and you think that you've ripped him to shreds but he's on the cover of "rolling stone" it's glamourized. it's what they want. i think that he is being aided and abetted by people who -- >> who should know better. >> i think you're right about the article is because so many people just -- even if they've read the article, what really registers is the picture. i've had articles that i thought were awful about me, but people were like, i saw that article. it was great. i'm like did you actually read it? well, now, but i saw the picture, and it was nice. >> if somebody becomes famous, and even if they're eccentric -- especially if they'rek sen trick. >> it reflects a serious trend of not taking journalism seriously. right now, some of the same islands hit by hurricane irma are directly in the path of another hurricane.
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there's more breaking news. we've just learned that hurricane maria has just made landfall on dominica. a prime minister posting to his facebook page, my roof is gone. i'm at the complete mercy of the hurricane. house is flooding. a short time later, an update. i have been rescued. i want to get the latest from meteorologist allison chinchar. where is the storm and what's the latest tonight in. >> again, as you mentioned, it has now officially made landfall at 9:15 p.m. eastern time as a category 5 storm. winds, 160 miles per hour. the storm is moving west-northwest at about 9 miles per hour, so not very fast, which unfortunately means it's going to go slowly over the island of dominica. we need to talk about how impressive this storm actually is and how quickly it intensified. this is sunday at 5:00 p.m. winds were just at 75 miles per hour. this is when it first became a
hurricane, okay? so going 5:00 p.m. to 8:00 p.m., going from a tropical storm all the way up to a category 5 storm, or even this morning. take, for example, 5:00 a.m. it was still a category 1 storm. 5:00 a.m. to 8:00 p.m., going from a category 1 to a category 5 storm. the unfortunate part about it being a category 5 storm is it is expected to stay a category 5 storm. in fact, it's expected to increase up to 165 miles per hour after it gets back out over some open water. it is expected to make landfall on puerto rico as a category 5 storm. the question is whether or not it maintains that 165-mile-per-hour range or if it weakens slightly just before it hits puerto rico. that's important. that distinction is because the previous category 5 storm -- and there's only been one to ever hit puerto rico -- that was back in 1928. but it had winds of 160. so if it can maintain winds of
165, it will end up being the strongest storm to ever hit the island of puerto rico. the last time they had a category 4 was back in 1932. that was the last direct strike of a category 4 or higher. again, this is going to be an incredibly strong storm as it continues on this track, anderson. >> any sense of what this means for the u.s.? >> right. so there's been a lot of comparisons to irma with this storm as it goes through the caribbean. so here's what we can show you. this yellow line right here, that was irma's path. the red line is maria. you can note it's starting out a little bit further south. it will cross over a very similar point near the dominican republic, and then it's actually going to go a little bit further north than irma's path was. at this point everybody wants to know what does that mean for florida and some of the other areas that were impacted by irma. here's a look at the model comparison. very good agreement up to the point of puerto rico. it's after that that the models split off, and they have a pretty good distance between the two of them. the blue dot is the european model. the red dot is the gfs, also
known as the american. you can see it kind of pushes it a little bit closer to the u.s. it's all because of this high. where that high pressure system ends up, if it stays in place, anderson, it will spin clockwise and stay in the atlantic. if it goes to the west, it would actually push maria into the states. >> thanks very much. thanks for watching. time to hand things over to don lemon. "cnn tonight" starts now. cnn exclusive. news on the russia investigation. and this is big. this is "cnn tonight." i'm don lemon. thanks for joining us. cnn has learned that government investigators wiretapped former campaign chair paul manafort under secret court orders before and after the election. what were they looking for, and what does it all mean for the mueller investigation? we are digging deep tonight. also "the new york times" reporting tonight that prosecutors told manafort they planned to indict him. that is as president trump m