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schools. tonight some signs of life in the are you able. in washington, sources telling cnn's special counsel robert mueller is asking the white house for documents and e-mails on the firings of michael flynn and james comey. mueller's team also wants information on the oval office meeting president trump had with russian officials when he bragged about firing comey. that as we're learning tonight that extrump campaign chief paul manafort offered to give a russian billionaire what he called private briefings on the 2016 campaign. that report from the "washington post." and on capitol hill the senate's health care hail mary. republicans scrambling for every last vote to repeal brum care. he is in puerto rico tonight for us. nick in puerto rico, it is reeling from the -- and taking the full brunt of maria, the whole island out of power.
do you know the full scope of the damage yet? >> reporter: we're still getting -- beginning to see that picture and really today it was staggering having experienced the full force of landfall, the eastern coast where we were this morning. staggering winds there, 155 miles an hour at least. remarkable ferocious to be in. we then drove today after leaving that hotel, unfortunately, having to because of a gas leak there. we headed across back to san juan through highway 3. extraordinary scenes of devastation. pretty much every tree you could find damaged in some way, torn clean out, flung across highways, power lines down. the cables across the streets and the pie lons themselves often shattered to pieces. and even wind tur biens, their propellers torn clean off by the ferocity of that category 4 hurricane, initially category 5. remarkable to see also too the
highways turned into rivers. we had to drive through almost pay mile at one point to reach the capital here and the capital itself substantially damaged as well. we are talking about a country without power. there may be experiencing that problem for months to come. it's unclear when they can restore it. we saw how badly the infrastructure has been almost universally ham measured in some way. and still reeling from hurricane irma. 46,000 people before maria even turned up yesterday morning. but as we saw the tropical rains persisted throughout the day dumping a vast amount of water. i think that's really what's causing people the biggest amount of problem now, simply the volume of liquid they're having to get through often at times. what that's doing to infrastructure and the speed of cleanup as well, but this has been a quite devastating sform for puerto rico. certainly the worst in 90 years. >> the picture of that flooding unbelievable. we thank you for your reporting. let's get to the phone now in puerto rico and ak mad eldone.
he is a senior correspondent for aj plus. thank you, ak med for joining us. so tell us what you experienced when maria hit puerto rico. i understand you were right in the middle of it. had you experienced anything like this before? >> you know, i actually haven't, don. and staggering is exactly the right word. this hurricane lived up to its epic expectations. it's been har rogue to say the least. we're actually on the part of the island in a large hotel. when they finally let us back into our rooms this arch the devastation on the hill next to us looked like a chain saw just raised through the hill. and, you know, to put it into context for your viewers, i mean, there are 3.5 million people who live in puerto rico. it's the 29th, urngs most pop house territory or entity, more than ooid, nebraska, west virginia. so imagine if one of those states want only lost all their
power but when i spoke to the mayor at the stadium, which is the biggest shelter here, she said it's going to be at least four months before it's up and running. now, that was before the hurricane actually hit and started pummeling the coast. today she said it would be six months. so, you know, it wasn't surprising for me to speak to a lot of people who in the past had never felt like they needed to actually seek refuge and this year they did with this one. >> unblooechbl. i mean, the caribbean really getting hit hard by these hurricanes, these storms. puerto rico is completely without power right now. it's likely going to be sometime, as you said. maybe six months or longer. how are people reacting to that fact, the noose that you just delivered to us? >> well, you know, there's a lot that's actually very internal politics here in terms of how, you know, the energy company, which is government owned and they've been operating on kind of court orders. you know, when there's these kind of storms in puerto rico even not a category 4, they often have these very long,up,
periods of time without any electricity. but we have to also remember that this is going to be kpounld compounded by a series of problems. when you don't live through a hurricane, you often expect the coverage relies on projections but the real danger and power of these storms is how unpredictable it is. you know, today people living in san juan for those who actually slept, woke up to 50% of the capital flooded. only 50% of the houses on the island are covered under wind catastrophe. the immediate concerns are not am i okay, are my relatives okay but looking forward without electricity, without coverage, you know, hurricane irma already even though puerto rico skirted it ausd $1 billion in damages. puerto rico is bankrupt. it just filed bankruptcy in may. so maria is expected to cause $30 billion in damages between puerto rico and the u.s. virgin
islands. the sense of despair, disbelief. and what does this actually mean? >> appreciate your reporting. stay safe down there. we'll on talk to you soon. now i want to turn to mexico where a desperate search is under way for survivors. he issers tonight racing to pull a young girl out from under a collapsed school. what's the latest on this dramatic search and rescue? >> hi, don. well, it's been a chaotic day. behind me you can see all of the thousands of people who have turned out to support the rescue workers who are working just a block away inside that collapsed school building. and what we understand is that -- this is coming from a mexican government official that says that the rescue workers have made contact with a young girl who they believe is still alive. they have not pulled her out of that are you able just yet. how many other people might be
near her and in what condition they're in is not exactly clear either. there has been a great deal of misinformation here throughout the day. a number of times throughout the evening, don, the crowds here and those close to the building erupted in clapping, almost a sign at some point -- some people had been rescued. none of that has been confirmed. and none of that has been proven to be true. so those rescue workers, i did get inside the school building in the courtyard area and watched many of these rescue workers work throughout the day earlier. you can tell just how tedious the work is. at some point the whistle goes off and everybody stops talking. and that gives the workers inside -- some of them are even called moles that are crawling through that are you able to try to get to some of these people. makes the situation quiet so they can hear what is going on inside that are you able. everybody is quiet. standing there you could hear the muffled sounds of those
workers crawling through that are you able trying to reach out and talk to whoever might be in there. but a clear picture as to what exactly they're encountering there is just not available tonight. the best we have is that, as i mentioned off the top, that there's a young girl that they believe to have made contact with and they're still working to reach her. and given the activity and the frantic activity we've seen here throughout the night, that seems to back that up, don. >> so let me ask you, what have we learned? do we know how close they are to getting her? do they know how close she is? >> reporter: we don't. we've tried to get a better sense of just how close they are. it is really hard. i was up close to that area of that building that is collapsed today. and i have to tell you, seeing it from a distance and seeing the video images of it, it wasn't until i stood right next to that building that you really got the sense of just what a stark, horrifying scene it must be inside of that building and the weight of what they're
having to deal with. we've seen teams of men with wheel bear rose pulling out five-gallon buckets of debris, one bucket at a time. so that gives you a sense they're basically pulling out small pieces and, you know, imagine that the work -- trying to get to where they want is tedious and slow going. we're now going on almost, what, 36 hours since -- almost 36 hours since the earthquake struck and those teams are still in there trying to make that contact. >> ed, thank you. appreciate your reporting as well. when we come right back, major developments in the russia investigation. robert mueller asking the white house for documents and e-mails on the firings of michael flynn and james comey. we'll tell you what it all means. (vo) do not go gentle into that good night, old age should burn and rave at close of day;
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some amazing new developments in the russia investigation to report tonight. man u, the mueller investigation seems to be going at hyper speed now of the so tell us the latest revelations about new demands special counsel mueller is making for documents from the white house. >> that's right. first time we've really seen in detail a number of demands that mueller is requesting from the white house. about 13 areas according to "the new york times," in which -- talked to officials who had seen this request. roughly 13 areas, including the firing of his former national security adviser michael flynn who as we know came under a lot
of criticism for his communications with the russian ambassador, sergey kislyak around the time during the transition president and for not disclosing that to the white house, something that also prompted the deputy attorney general at the time, the acting attorney general at the time to warn that he could be potentially blackmailed by the russians. but also, don, his handling of james comey and the firing of james comey and the interactions the president reportedly had in the oval office with russians in which he said the firing of james comey could relieve pressure on him from this fbi investigation. now, there are a number of signs, don, that this investigation that mueller has is now focusing a lot on the circumstances around james comey's firing. one instance is that there are two senior fbi officials who may have firsthand knowledge of exactly what happened around the comey firing, but the justice department is preventing them from being interviewed on
capitol hill by the senate judiciary committee because of the concerns about the special counsel's office that it could interfere with their investigation. now, earlier today i asked senator chuck grassley of the judiciary committee chairman about that issue. he said he's prepared to subpoena them. >> what about the fbi officials? >> we've got sums at the senate counsel office. i'm going to have to when we get done there, i'm going to have to consult with senator feinstein. >> so a real sign that these investigations, don, not just heating up in the special counsel's office but also on capitol hill, trying to figure out exactly the circumstances around the firing of james comey in particular and raising those questions about whether or not any -- there was any obstruction of justice what soefr in the president's handling of that issue. >> mueller there's also a "washington post" report about paul manafort specifically e-mails he sent to a russian oligarch while he was a campaign chairman for then candidate trump. what do you know about that? >> that's right. ls than two weeks before trump
actually was accepted the republican nomination paul manafort reportedly sent an e-mail to an intermediary trying to reach out to a russian billionaire who has ties to the kremlin saying that he's prepared to give private briefings to the russian billionaire saying in this e-mail if he needs private briefings, we can accommodate. that's according to the post report. now, this is part of a batch of documents that have been sent over to mueller's office as well as to capitol hill, a sign that that investigation into paul manafort really is intensifying. manafort, of course, under a lot of scrutiny not just because his home was raided in july, also reportedly facing threats from the special counsel's office that he could get indicted. also cnn reporting that he was facing a wire tap during the campaign before and after, but here on this specific topic, don, manafort's team saying it's really much ado about nothing. saying it had to do more about
past debts more than anything else and dismissing this as insignificant. but we'll see what investigators when they look into this further. >> joining me now, cnn national security analyst james clapper, the former director of national intelligence. so good to have you on, sir. good evening to you. mr. clapper, there have been so many developments in this russian investigation and i want to ask you first about new information that was first reported in "the new york times" tonight that special counsel mueller is asking for documents directly related to the president's actions while in office. how do you read what mueller is asking for? >> well, first, don, i don't have any inside baseball on any of this, so i'm just drawing inferences like everyone else is. to some extent this reminds me of the met for of lots of blind people touching the elephant and trying to describe the elephant. i would say, though, that it appears to me that the scope of
the investigation is broadening and deepening as the requests for information, as they have been reflected in the media reporting, seems to be getting more and more pointed and more and more specific. so i don't -- i don't know where this is all going to lead. i don't know if, you know, this is implicating the president or not, but -- >> that's what i was going to ask you. does this mean the president could be the central focus of mueller's probe? >> well, again, the inference you could draw is that he is, but, you know, i don't know that. i would say and i've said this sometime ago when former director mueller was first appointed to the position of special counsel that if in his estimation there was no there there, he'd say so. it appears, at least from what's going on, there is there there.
and i don't exactly know where this is going to lead. but i'll repeat something i've said on more than one occasion is that it is so critical that this whole process, whether in the congress or certainly the investigation of the special counsel, come to a conclusion that is then transparently explained to the american people. >> cnn also has some exclusive reporting involving paul manafort, president trump's former campaign chairman. specifically that investigators got a fisa warrant to wire tap manafort before and after the election of the what's your reaction to that? >> well, i can't comment on a specific fisa order. i said some things about this on meet the press on the 5th of march, and i stand on that statement. i can't -- i can't confirm or
deny. >> sir, let me play it -- just to remind people of what you said and this is what you said to chuck todd. this is back in march on meet the press and then we'll finish up. >> let me start with the president's tweets yesterday on this idea that maybe president obama [*ordinalwords]ed an illegal wire tap of his offices. if something like that happened, would this be something you would be aware of? >> i would certainly hope so. i -- obviously i'm not -- i can't speak officially any more, but i will say that for the part of the national security apparatus that i oversaw as dni, there was no such wire tap activity mounted against the president-elect at the time or as a candidate or against his campaign. i can't speak for other title 3 authorized entities in the government or a state or local entity. >> i was just going to say, if the fbi, for instance, had a fisa court order of some sort
for surveillance, would that be information that you would know or not know. >> yes. >> you would be told on something like this. >> yes. something like this, absolutely. >> and at this point you can't quip or deny whether that exists. >> i can deny it. >> tls no fisa court order. >> not to my knowledge. >> of anything at trump tower. >> no. >> and the fact that manafort was wire-tapped proves that the president was right to accuse the former president of wiretapping him and you were wrong. what's your response? >> well, again, i stand on that statement that you just replayed and i cannot comment on the media reporting, which is all we have, about a fisa warrant allegedly lodged against mr. manafort. i can't comment on that. i will simply reiterate what i said in march, and i stand on that. >> yeah. and that there is as far as
trump tower being wire-taped, according to the president, you say what? >> i stand on what i said on the 5th of march on meet the press, as you just replayed it. >> okay. so did you know -- and i -- just for clarity because there's been a lot of reporting on this, right, and people on -- especially supporters of the president are saying here is proof. so did you know about a fisa warrant against paul manafort at the time? >> i did not. >> you did not. okay. >> and again, i have to say that what we have is media reporting only. and actually, commenting on -- fisa's are classified and so, you know, even if i knew something about it i couldn't and i don't. and again, i will just conclude by saying i stand on what i said on the 5th of march. >> is it possible the president was picked up in a conversation with paul manafort? >> it's certainly conceivable.
>> is it likely? >> i can't say. i wouldn't want to go there, but i will say it's possible. >> okay. the "washington post" is also reporting tonight that while paul manafort was working for donald trump, he offered to privately brief a russian oligarch on the campaign. how would the russians interpret that, mr. clapper? >> well, obviously perhaps a -- they would regard it perhaps as a witting akplis. again, as part of their overall campaign to interfere with the election. so if they had a witting and willing participant who would engage with them, talk to them who in their mind had some inside access or influence in the campaign, which at one point mr. manafort certainly did, i
think they would view that as a favorable line of exploitation. >> i have to ask you about the meeting the president had in the oval office with russian foreign minister sergey lavrov and kislyak where president trump bragged about firing comey to the russians saying it relieved great pressure on him. people on both sides of the aisle gasped at these pictures. do you think that that moment will come back to haunt president trump? >> well, it could. it's not to say that such meetings are inappropriate. i personally was somewhat taken aback by that from if no other point of view than just the security standpoint in light of the fact that only russian media were permitted in the oval and only russian photographs were allowed to take pictures. so i trust they were closely
screened. and just the notion of this slis tusness with the russians has been, for me at least, bother some, particularly in light of the demonstrated interference in our election. it's appearing more and more to me that the intelligence community assessment that we published on the 6th of january may have only been perhaps the tip of the iceberg. >> can i ask you, i just want to go back to -- and get your response to something, because on september 2nd this president's own justice department said that there was no evidence to support the president's claim is that president obama offered wiretapping of trump tower during the 2016 presidential campaign. again, that's what the justice department said in a new court filing. wouldn't his justice department
know if there was some warrant or fisa warrant on trump tower? >> yes, absolutely. and i believe director comey said much the same thing in his testimony on march 16th. >> so the president's own justice department came to the conclusion after investigating that there was no wiretapping of trump tower? >> but that's -- that's what i draw from that, yes. >> thank you, mr. clapper. appreciate it. >> thanks, don. >> thank you. when we come back, what robert mueller's team is looking for. i'll ask my legal experts what is it could mean for the trump white house.
special counsel robert mueller has requested white house documents and e-mails on the firings of michael flynn and james comey, as well as an oval office meeting between president trump and russian officials. let's discuss now. cnn contributor john dean, michael moor, the former u.s. attorney for the middle district of georgia, and cnn legal commentator ken could you ten alley. gentlemen, good evening. thank you so much for coming on. john deep, i'm going to start with you. mueller's questions involve the firing of michael flynn and james comey, what do you make of it? >> well, first of all, he clearly has a right to those documents. it's been established by the supreme court no less that a grand jury, and he certainly represents are the grand jury in this instance, can get that kind of material. and one of the things, don, that strikes me about this is former special prosecutors have on two occasions taken their case to congress for impeachment. and congress is not very good at getting documents.
in fact, nixon was impeached for documents. so this may be -- he may see something and he's just gathering the material. >> when he said he he had the right to it, was that ken or mikeel said why he, he does have the right to -- >> i was certainly nodding my head. if you're going to have a probe like this, i think what's being requested here is entirely expected. >> michael? >> i agree with that totally. i think he does have a right to them. i think that's -- he's doing exactly what he was asked to do. some people have worried that the investigation would take a long time and i think he's simply moving amed in a forthright manner with deliberate speed and he's sort of hitting hard with some of his requests. >> mark on your calendars. all three people agree. >> on that part of it. >> so now there's that meeting with russians in the oval office, michael, the president called comey a nutjob and told the russians firing comey relieved great pressure on him
of the pictured of that meeting left a lot of people did you mean struck. what is mueller looking for, do you think? >> you know, he may be looking for e-mails between staff members scheduling the meeting. he may be looking for eye tin aers that were set up or agendas for the meeting. he might be looking for things like recordings, transcripts, summaries of things that were said in the meeting. the bottom line is he's using those things to try to find some connection or to see if there's a connection between the firing of jim comey and any promises or representations or deals that were made with the russians. that would be my guess. and so when i think about the scheduling and think about the cal dagger, he mie be looking to see, well, how close in time was the meeting scheduled versus when the firing took place or when the memos came out and so he's just putting pieces of the puzzle together. sometimes you don't know what the puzzle looks like until all the pieces come into play. so i think this is just another piece of his puzzle. >> ken, mueller also wants more information on the president's involvement in the initial response to the news on the june
2016 meeting with donald trump jr. and paul manafort and jared kushner, had a whole bunch of russians meetings with russians. the one where russians offered dirt on hillary clinton directly from the government. are you concerned at all that it could tie the president to knowledge of russian efforts to help him win? >> no. i think a better reflection on that is that the manafort materials reported by the post and "the new york times," when you look at that, what i found most interesting -- first of all, it looked like manafort was marketing. i mean, he's doing marketing with rich international clients that he's worked with before, and hey, look at me, i'm running a presidential campaign here, hey, would you like your own private briefings. and look, this is a guy who literally has ton tense of millions of dollars of business with these folks before he joined the trump campaign and how he failed certain filings that were required under federal law completely separate from the
campaign. >> i'll let you finish, but -- i will -- he's marketing himself for would you like private meetings. does that want concern you people who are friends are vladimir putin, with russians and he's running the campaign? >> yeah. so then look at what was also reported by the post where you've got other people in the campaign asking that actual question at the time. and manafort is blowing them off. look what he said to hope hicks, you know, ignore those questions. that's not relevant. that really looks like the rest of the campaign, to the extent they had concerns about manafort's contacts, manafort was blowing them off, brushing them aside. that looks like manafort is more in the hot seat here than anybody else. and it seems like, to the extent it's appropriate, appropriately so. >> but didn't donald trump higher paul manafort? >> of course. of course. but, you know, you're making an implicit leap that he hired him to have russian connections. and that leap is really baseless
based on what's before us so far. >> i'm saying it's a judgment call and also he hired him because of his experience knowing that his experience had to do with russians and ukraine yans -- >> well, he's worked on american presidential campaigns as well. i mean, what's unusual -- >> you believe there's no couple ability for the president, even though he's -- he is the guy who is running the country and running the campaign, then running the country now that the person he hired, well, that was his deal, i have nothing to do with it? >> well, look, when you have the other people in the campaign questioning exactly the kind of thing that you're questioning, don, it strikes me that the whole rest of the campaign had a different view. and i would expect that the president wasn't the only person standing with paul manafort as he tried to sort of market himself to these former russian clients of his. >> okay. >> i'd expect the whole rest of the campaign to better reflect the expectations of the president at the time. >> john, what do you say to
that? does that hold water in your hearing and -- these were the guys, i higher those guys, i had nothing to do with them. >> don, one of the things i think we have to put in context here and david gergen made the point the other day, trump was an outlier candidate, he was anti-establishment that the normal kind of feedback you get from friends and associates that would warn you about somebody and their past and their activities and whether they were appropriate or not didn't happen in this campaign. it was also small and chaotic. >> that's kind of what ken is saying here. >> yes. >> it could have just been a rank, amateur on the part of trump himself that result in this activity. >> okay. that's going to be it. michael, next time we'll get you to weigh in more. appreciate you, gentlemen. thank you so much. when we come right back, hurricane maria slams puerto
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hurricane maria devastating puerto rico. there are fears the blackout could last for months of the on the phone hurricane chaser mike tice. we're looking at before and after photos that you posted to twitter right now showing the damage. the thing that stands out to me the most about these photos is that the trees on the hill side appear to be destroyed. what can you tell us about the conditions in puerto rico right now on the ground? >> yeah. that's true.
most of the trus have been did he foley yatd. there's no more green left on any trees here and if there is anything left they've been wind burned of the but right now it's a toelgt the different scene than last night. all the guests were here in the lobby. now the lobby is empty. we have lights. we have fans so we're staying cool. mean, just out of nowhere it ou dropped out of the bottom and it exploded. it came in here. i think there may have been a little bit less warning than the other hurricanes. one thing that's interesting as i'm making friends with a lot of people here. and a lot of the folks evacuated from these other areas on their boats or their boats were destroyed there. they came here just to get into the path of another category 5 hurricane. so this is the year -- i mean, this year the caribbean is just being hit really hard. >> yeah. it certainly is. mike tice. thank you. i p appreciate it. we've got much more tonight to come on hurricane maria and up next, the gop making a last ditch attempt to repeal obamacare. what this latest bill could mean for your health care. and hey, unmanaged depression, don't get too comfortable. we're talking to you, cost inefficiencies, and data without insights. and fragmented care, stop getting in the way of patient recovery and pay attention. every single one of you is on our list. at optum, we're partnering across the health system
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senate republicans' last ditch effort to repeal and replace obamacare picking up support tonight from president trump. thanks for joining us tonight. president trump tweeted this i would not sign graham cassidy if it did not include coverage of pre-existing conditions. it does. a great bill. repeal and replace. people like senator susan collins, health insurers, all say it extent. so who is right, phil? >> president trump is not on the right side of this at least in one respect. the guarantee, one of the corner stones of obamacare that those with pre-existing conditions would not only are is access but also wouldn't phase increased prices because of their pre-existing conditions, that disappears with this bill. the bill does maintain the requirement that insurers provide plans to anybody with a
pre-existing condition. here is where it gets a little bit complicated. it allows states to apply for waivers to get out of obamacare regulations. one of those regulations is the price protections for those with pre-existing conditions. now, in its place this bill says that states to obtain these waivers would have to be able to show that they would be able to give affordable and adequate care to individuals with pre-existing conditions. to those are two very ambiguous terms that aren't defined in this bill. when you talk to experts and insurers themselves, they make clear while not every state will opt out and some states will certainly maintain those protections, the option is there. the guarantee is gaup and it's an almost certainty that some states will opt out and those with pre-existing conditions will end up paying more. >> comedian jimmy kimmel has become an null voice on health care. last night he called out senator bill cassidy, one of the cosponsors of the bill. >> i don't know what happened to bill cassidy, but when he was on this publicity tour, he listed
his nands for a healthcare bill very clearly. these were his words. he said he wants coverage for all, no discrimination based oh pre-existing conditions, lower premiums for middle class families and no lifetime caps. and guess what? the new bill does none of those things. and this guy, bill cassidy, just lied right to my face. >> and senator cassidy responded today, phil. here it is. states like maine, virginia s florida, missouri, there will be bllions more dollars to provide health insurance coverage for those in those states who have been passed by by obamacare and we protect those with pre-existing conditions. >> so, phil, break it down here. who is right? is it bill cassidy or jimmy kimmel? >> exactly where we all expected to end up nine months into the hell care debate.
look, both have points that are accurate here, but jimmy kimmel is probably more on the side of right here. again, nuance is important and there are specific designs in this bill. as i noted, state flexibility is something that republicans, conservatives have been pushing very hard. it's the kind of essential idea behind changing the subsidies structure spiral, sending block grants to the states and letting states design their own systems. but in that flexibility becomes a reduction of the regulations. the regulations that make sure guaranteed cams are there, that make sure price protections are maintained and on the idea of more people being covered, don, the way this bill is drafted, the way these block grants will go out, the way medicaid will change from an open-ended sbietment, the spending will go down. if spending goes down, states are going to have to make very difficult decisions about coverage. the idea that there will be more people covered under this bill as it's currently drafted because of the spending, it doesn't ring true when you talk to analysts and you talk to a lot of senators. it's not just democrats that have problems with this.
as you noted, several republicans do as well. so obviously nuanced complexity, all these things very important here, but jimmy kimmel has valid points and obviously this has become a sfral part of the debate right now. >> thank you, sir. appreciate it. so if the graham cassidy bill is passed and signed into law, each state's health care fupding will be directly impacted. some will win and others will lose. big time. let's discuss now. tom, what do you know? >> well, done, for the tens of millions of americans who rely on some sort of federal assistance for their health care, here is a really key element of this thing. it would take the decision over how that money is spent, many of those decisions away from the federal government and it would give those decisions to state governments across this country.
>> 41% loss out there. and 34 other states would go through some version of this. health care advocates say they think that would be cuts to the working poor, cuts to people with chronic conditions and cuts to people with very expensive medical treatment that they can't pay for. but what about these green states treatment that they can't pay for. but obamacare might
we'll have more parents who arenof pediatrics joins all these other groups who are strongly -- to strongly oppose this bill. what neesee a path forward at this point? >> we need a path includes maintaining coverage regardless of preexisting we need to make sure we continue to expand to get perce covered. we know right now we're coverage for children. we want to move forward, not wa
things like block grants and other are completely inflexible programs that in the likebeen seeing and the natural disasters or the infectious we want to make sure states have the flexibility is the most importa fight when it comes to the healdrafting this legislation, are those some of the chanthere others?expire september 30th. there already in the senate. let's get the senate to work and >> we appreciate your time. thank you so much. >> >> thank you. i'm don