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read it in full. this is 400, 500 pages of legislation. i don't think any republican senator can tell you they've read every page. >> phil on capitol hill tonight. thank you so much. thank you for watching. erin burnett "outfront" starts right now. >> "outfront" u next, the breaks news, michael flynn cooperating with bob mueller. his guilty plea bringing the russia probe into trump's center circle. now in the cross hair, jared kushn kushner. plus, the white house distances itself from trump. and breaking news. senators still working on last minute changes to the tax bill before a vote tonight. do they know what they're about to vote on? let's go "outfront." and good evening. i'm erin burnett. welcome to our viewers in the united states and around the world tonight, "outfront," breaking news. flynn flips, putting jared kushner in the cross hairs.
president trump's former national security adviser, michael flynn, pleading guilty today to lying to the fbi. he is now cooperating. flynn now the most senior white house official that we know of cooperating with mueller and he is the fourth member of trump's campaign to be charged as part of the russia probe. flynn's plea though is far the most significant. documents from his plea hearing revealing that a quote, very senior member of trump's transition team directed him to reach out to foreign governments including russia's to find out where they stood on a u.n. security counsel resolution about israeli settlements and to pressure them. this is a dig big deal because it's illegal for anyone not representing the sit iting president to do this and sources familiar with the matter telling cnn that kushner is that top transition official who directed flynn to make those calls. flynn also admitting that he lied to investigators about his calls with the russian ambassador. those calls focusing on u.s. sanctions on russia. court filings show that flynn wasn't flying solo.
he told multiple senior officials on the trump transition team about those discussions with him. and that's where we are tonight. the russia investigation now inside trump's inner circle and loom iing question is what did trump know? the white house trying to minimize today's news, one source saying it's a win for the white house and trump's attorney ty cobb saying in a statement and i quote, nothing about the guilty plea or charge implicates anyone other than mr. flynn. but trump's relationship with flynn was close and he defended him even after flynn left the white house. >> michael flynn, general flynn is a wonderful man. i think he's been treated very, very unfair ly ly by the media. mike was doing his job. he was calling countries and his counterparts. when i k looked at the information, i said, i don't think he did anything wrong. if anything, he did something right. he's in my opinion, a very good person. i believe that it would be very unfair to hear from somebody who
you don't even know and immediately run out and fire a general. >> could flynn lead mueller to the oval office? jim shuuto begin ours coverage and jim, obviously, huge developments on michael flynn and jared kushner, raising serious questions about the inner circle and the president himself tonight. >> erin, the white house trying to portray flynn in this as a freelancer here, but frankly, there's a lot of information in this statement o offense that belie that is story. you have flynn keeping senior members of the transition team informed of his conversations that he was having and then lied about and you have a senior member of the transition team instructing him to carry out om of these teams. it would be interesting if all this happened without any of the president's knowledge and as note, what is key here, michael flynn now cooperating in this investigation.
tonight, the ongoing russia investigation has reached president trump's innermost circle. michael flynn says that he is cooperating with the special counsel's probe into possible cooperation between the campaign and the russian government. flynn pled guilty to repeatedly lying to the fbi, including making false statements about his december 2016 con ver sigss with the sam bas dorr to the u.s. accord to the statement of offense, flynn lied when he told the fbi he did not discuss sanctions with him. on the same day that president obama expelled russian diplomats from the u.s. and boosted sanctions on moscow in retaliation for russia's meddling in the presidential election. flynn also sought russia's help during the transition to block a u.n. security counsel vote that the obama administration was abstaining on. the white house said late friday morning, quote, nothing about
the guilty plea or the charge implicates anyone other than mr. flynn. however, court documents make clear flynn was not acting alone. according to prosecutorers, flynn communicated with with senior members of the president's team about the conversations and in at least one instance was directed by transition officials to reach out to russia. tonight, cnn has learned that the president's son-in-law, jared kushner, is the very senior member of the presidential transition team identified in today's court documen documents. kushner directed michael flynn to contact the russian ambassador and other countries regarding the u.n. security counsel vote on israeli settlements, this according to sources familiar with the matter. flynn's guilty plea belies president trump's repeated denials. >> in your view has the president lied about what communications his team had with russia? >> well, abundantly. and frequently and in just about
every way, but most significant in denying that this happened saying it's a hoax. >> after the court proceed iing flynn went immediately to the home of his son, michael flynn jr. >> the legal fate of his son still key. we reported recently that michael flynn sr. was increasingly concerned about the legal jeopardy his son might face. his son was very involved in his business dealings overseas. he was not mentioned in any of the charges today, but it is questioned, is michael flynn's cooperation, did he do some of this to protect his son? very possible. >> certainly seems so. his son tweeting today that nothing is more important than family. adding to that implication that the father did it to protect his son. now i want to go to jim acosta at the white house and obviou y obviously, jim, a lot there and the president's state of mind,
top of the list. what are you sources telling you? >> that's right, we're talking to a lot of sources here at the white house and they're telling us this investigation is starting to wear on people over here at the white house. that people inside the west wing are worried about where this investigation is going to go next. i did talk to a senior white house official this afternoon who said there is no anxiety inside the white house as to what michael flynn might be telling investigators, but at the same time, this official went on to say and i thought this was interesting, that it was not just jared kushner who was involved in directing michael flynn to talk to the russian ambassador at the time. that this was a quote fulsome discussion that included the entire group. so it sounds like from this white house official told me today that there were multiple officials involved in that decision to have michael flynn talk to the russian ambassador. at the same time, the senior white house official tried to shift the blame a little bit by saying that the obama administration had authorized michael flynn's conversation
with the russian ambassador. i talk today a number of former obama administration officials this evening. they range in response from laughable to lies. and so on. and so they're pushing back pretty hard on any kind of implication that the obama administration signed a off on the trump white house or the trump transition team sending michael flynn to talk to sergei at the same time today as to how the president's mental state is, he is apparently feeling sorry for michael flynn tonight. i'm told by one senior white house official and that he's thinking about michael flynn and his family tonight. >> thank you very much, jim. and "outfront" now, former prosecutor, democratic candidate for attorney general in illinois. gloria borger and former nixon white house counsel, john dean. john, flynn pleading guilty. turns out jared kushner was the person who directed thoim call the russian ambassador and other leaders, trying to lobby them to do the sop sit thing at the u.n. while president obama was
president of the united states. what is the bottom line tonight, john? >> well, this is a big deal, this is a very serious going right to the president of the united states. we don't know if it's just kushner that obviously is involved. it looks like there are more of a conspiracy here than just isolated incidents. they have not named that in any of the adopts. but it's implicit in what's happening. you know, i don't know where this is going to go. we don't know how it's going to unfold, but one point i'd like to make is if you look at watt gate, iran contra, the lewinsky affair, a lot of the criminal activity is pure blundering. and not necessarily carefully considered or thought out actions. >> right, when you say conspiracy, i want to understand how you mean the word. amongst people? or between people in the trump campaign and say a foreign government, ie, russia. >> i'm thinking you know,
consider a conspiracy to obstruct justice. such as two or more people agreeing to give a false story. or to not report on their fs 86 forms. contacts. all these things can't be a coincidence yet say seem to be happening across the board with this white house. so that suggests a conspiracy. >> of course, jared kushner did fot put the facts on that form of his meetings and didn't do it when he edited it the first time or second time and may be finished when he did it the third time. sources are confirming to cnn that mueller's team met with kushner earlier this month and they asked about flynn. now you've got flynn cooperating and saying look, jared kushner directed me to do this. it's pretty clear. if jared kushner was not 100% forthright with those interviews with bob mueller's team, this could become the biggest story of all, right? >> well, absolutely.
certainly be the next step. off up the chain. ths really what federal prosecutors try to do, erin. they work up the chain. the chain trying to get as close to the top as possible. and that would be the next step. so you know, cukushner was aske about subjects that would touch on what flynn you know u, had diskut discussed with him and if he was not forthright, he could be facing similar charges to what flynn has pled to, which is lying to the fbi and that is a crime. and of course, you know i think we heard just you know, in the intro here from some of the reporters about what is in the agreement is about lying to the fbi, but we don't know. if i was in the white house or one of the lawyers representing the white house, i would be nervous about what isn't in this agleemt because i think it's fairly safe to say that mr. flynn had to provide quite a bit to mueller to get this good of a
deal. >> that's the key here. what is in this, what we are talking about all day today is not all that bob mueller and his team know. they know a lot more about flib flynn and his interactions. this is what he has pled to. and but they could either be hanging something more over his head or he could have already told them whatever he knows. he don't noechlt but what we do know is that there is a lot more to this story. and the, what we know in the statement of offenses here is that what flynn has admitted to is with the knowledge or direction of people in the white house. so the tentacles now are sarting to spread. he has told them i didn't do any of this on my own. we checked in. i checked in. with a very senior
administration official. or a senior administration official. so to john's point about conspiracy here, you know, it is expanding. it is expanding. and the question that we don't have answered is why? why? >> and john, to this point, this investigation at its heart to the american people is about whether donald trump or anyone in his inner circle collaborated, coordinated, conspired with the russian government. right? that is what this is about. the president of the united states has repeatedly and aggressively denied it. here he is. >> there is no collusion between me and my campaign and the russians. >> the entire thing has been a witch hunt and there is no collusion between certainly myself and my campaign. but i can always speak for myself and the russians. zero. >> there was no collusion, i can tell you that.
everybody's seen that. >> do you feel comfortable with that at this point? or no? >> it's hard to ak cement given their behavior. why didn't he say i want you to march down to the grand jury and tell these people there's no collusion and do it under oath. he's just done the opposite at every turn, for example, he said let's get rid of this investigati investigation. he doesn't want people testifying. so his anchorctions are the opp of what one who is innocent would do. the troubling thing and why this is a fascinating investigation. zpl all of you are going to stay with me because you're going to be back in a moment. we have more breaking news. the white house today trying to link flynn to president obama. does anyone buy that? plus why is a u.n. resolution on israeli settlements and jared kushner's involvement behind the scenes really becoming central
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of the agreement. it includes cooperating now. flynn cooperating with federal, state, and local investigators. this is crucial because flynn is the link between russia and trump's inner circle and possibly the president himself. his cooperation is the key. "outfront" now, our crime and justice reporter. what more can you tell us about this agreement which when you read it, has so many crucial details. >> it does. this is key here. in this investigation. and this agreement that flynn had to enter into that he had to agree so basically means the government owns him now. he has to provide information on a ruling basis. he will have to, they have questions during the investigations that come up that they need answered and they will call. they will not need to go through his lawyer. they can call him directly now
and he will have to provide the information and his cooperation and how helpful he is will help him in the sentence he receives. they would eventually write a letter to the judge detailing some of his cooperation in hopes or leniency, but this really means that the government has it. he really is in their sort of control. he will have to cooperate in other investigations perhaps and the other question is going to be whether or not this means he has to go before congress before investigators on the hill because as we know, they've been trying question him and he's asked for immunity before doing so so that maybe another avenue ne here where we will see him, but all important that the special counsel, the fbi, mueller's team has full control over michael flynn now. >> all right, thank you very much. can't overstate the importance of that. the white house tonight trying to distance itself from michael flynn and they're trying pretty hard. make no mistake though, flynn and president trump were close.
very close. they spent a lot of time together. the president considered him to be a friend and they were fiercely loyal to won another. tom foreman is "outfront." >> the next president of the united states right here. >> on the campaign trail, michael flynn seemed a true man of donald trump and the add admiration mutual as the candidate courts vote frs the military community. >> we have tremendous military support. unbelievable. and having as you know, general flynn here and having so many of the general, where is general flynn. he's around here somewhere. >> flynn was once a member of barack obama's team and a top military sbintelligence offer a by the summer of 2015, he had done an odd about face and began talking to republican candidates and when he met donald trump, i knew he was going to be president of the united states.
>> for donald j. trump to be the next president of the united states. flynn began advise iing the campaign in early 2016. by the time of the republican convention this summer, he was leading the chance against democrat hillary clinton. >> lock her up. that's right. if i did a tent of what she did, i would be in jail today. >> on twitter, trump praised flynn's book on how to defeat radical islam. in ten days after winning the election in november, he chose flynn as his national security adviser. flynn took the job in january after the inauguration. >> yes, general flynn does enjoy the full confidence of the president. >> then it all unravelled. flynn admitted he misled the trump team about his russian communications. >> at some point, that trust to a point where the president did not feel comfortable. >> still even as flynn was given the woot and the russian
investigation swirled, the president seemed reluctant to let him go. >> when i look -- >> none of this proves he was tied to anything secret or nefarious in dealings with the russians, but it shows that he and flynn were close no matter how much the president's team now tries to deny it. >> thank you very much, tom. it could be extremely significant here, this was a small transition team and the president is a micro manager. james comey had been asked by the president of the united states to drop an investigation because michael flynn is a good
guy. if i was in flynn's legal team, i would be seeking a pardon. one of the more interesting things about today's events is for one or two reasons, there's no pardon coming and one reason is that either the president and his team feels that politically, they cannot pardon flynn and his son or there are state charges, which cannot be pardoned by a president. they have to be pardoned by a governor. so flynn felt like he was backed up against the wall and had to take a deal with mueller which putting mule ner the driver's seat. >> to that point, mueller in the driver's seat, but some people, the white house says look, you get a guilty plea online with the fbi with flynn, with papadopoulos, you have charges on manafort and gates on things that predated the campaign. if this is the best you got, you don't have very much. and then others say look, if the best you can get is violating the logan act, which is you can't lobby on this israeli settlement thing when you're not yet the president, that's against the law. sure it's against the law.
it's an obscure law. 218 years old. is this really the best that they have, john? >> well, to obstruct justice, you don't really need an underlying offense. as for the loguean act, it is 2 years old, but it has been cited in a number of judicial opinions. in 1995, there was a look at it by congress as to whether to repeal it or lieave it on the books. they decided to leave it on the books. that's a good law. >> do you think they'll prosecute under it or do you think there's leverage for them to get more? we will, but give us something bigger. >> it's leverage at this point. it's a tool that can be used as it is being used. >> i don't think this is all they have. i think they have an awful lot. on flynn. but they choose to use this because maybe they have something more. hanging over his head or this is part of the deal. but i think if i remember inside
the white house right now, i'd be trying very hard not to upset michael flynn. because michael flynn is owned a subsidiary now of the special council and he's got to testify truthfully and forthrightly about all of his communications. i guarantee you, they have his devices, his e-mails, all of his conversations and so now, they will be picking his brain for quite some time and so i think that if i'm donald trump or if i'm other people in the white house and i spoke with someone today who has spoken with a few people at the white house who said look, you know, we understand that this is a very big deal. the president was close to michael flynn. jared kushner was very close to michael flynn. those were tight relationships. because they, flynn was the
first person with brass op his shoulders to endorse the president and also because they agreed with each other on a lot of policy issues and so i think that everyone who was inside that inner circle, everyone who was a visitor to mar-a-lago is probably now trying to think back what did i talk to flynn about. when did we say it. did he talk to the president about certain things? >> and gloria, what about jared kushner? how far does the president's loyalty to him go because now, he is in the cross hairs. he told flynn to do this stuff and he's the one who could be facing perjury charges if he hasn't been honest about everything. >> the president is loyal above all else to his family. i wouldn't say the president's a particularly loyal guy. ask rudy giuliani, chris christie, a bunch of people. maybe even jeff sessions, right? but the question is i think that
you know, the president has to protect himself and the presidency. but i believe that jared kushner has to tell the truth. as does everyone else. and look, jared's people, with whom i've spoken, will say that there's no their there. and he didn't direct for him to do anything. that was a small group of people who were talking about -- sfwl sounds like they're trying to throw everyone else many under the bus including the president, actually. >> i think this has a long way. i think this has a long way to play out. >> wrennald o. >> sure. i think what's important is not what's here. i think the special counsel has more information and if i was in the white house, what i would be concerned about. >> that's the crucial bottom line. thanks to all of you. and next, breaking news. the senate's about to vote on a tax bill, but guess what, they're still writing it so people haven't been able to read it. last minute things are being
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breaking news. the senate debating its tax reform bill at this hour. it's been rewritten. they're not going to vote tonight. it's hundreds an hundreds and hundreds of pages long. michel mcconnell says he's got the votes to pass it even with bob corker voting no. corker's concerned the bill is going to cause the deficit to rise. manu, here we are, thai going get a vote tonight. they've got these hundreds of pages of amendments and nobody's going to have to time to read. what's going on? >> well behind the scene, they've been trying to finalize the legislative language. they've been providing this proposal. it does not exceed conflict with the senate budget rules, but they're trying to win over some key holdouts, winning over susan collins of maine by including changes, a $10,000 state and local tax. winning over jeff flake of
arizona, also making assurance snurnss that they're trying to find a poeferm nant solution one issue of the dreamers and when you work with people like ron johnson, but still, erin, a lot of concern, particularly from democrats about the fact that there is no legislative language released yet. sheriff brown of ohio raising concerns as of today. here's what he said. >> nobody knows what's in it. they should be ashamed of themselves they are willing to pass a bill this big with nobody really knowing what's in it. now republicans argue that look, the broad parameters of this bill has been known for weeks. a lot of the details we won't know. could go into early morning hours but, this is the fourth step in the legislative process. they have the votes to pass it tonight, probably in a 51-49 party line vote with one senator, bob corker, defecting.
butand get this back to the president's desk. >> thank you very much. and of course, broad yut lines made for a while, but when it comes to tax policy, it's about the details and the loopholes they said they wanted to get rid of and of course, are not. "outfront" now, steven moore and gene sperling, former director of the national economic counsel under obama and clinton. you both have debated the overall part of this here, is it going to spur growth? a i want to talk about these 479 page of amendments being written up and edited. steve, dirk durbin tweeted this afternoon, trying to review the tax scam. they're making handwritten changes to new text as we speak. can anyone else read this? and you sue zee these changes.
look, this is a problem. they're pushing 479 pages of amendments through. no one's going to be able to read this before voting. is that okay? >> what's going on right now is something called voterama. where all of these amendmenti, y the way, it was democrats who insisted on hours and hours of debate. by the way, one of the most important amendments that has been approved that you just mentioned that's very significant, to reduce the tax rate on the small businesses. i think i said on your show a couple of nights ago that one of the problems i have with the bill was that the cuts were lichajer for the corporations than the -- >> expansion of the pass throughs. >> yeah. >> okay, so gene, let's talk about that. page 38 of the 479 pages. there's something in here that's deeply troubling.
this is a huge tax break for billionaires. there's no question about that. these guys are not only going to get to keep their sbes loophole, which is a nasty thing, they are now going to get the pass through. so they're going to go from paying 40% down to paying less than 30%. on their income. this is according to the analys analysis. steve schwartzman is going to benefit. henry kravitz is going to benefit from this. these guys are getting a massive, massive tax break in a last minute amendment on page 38. gene. >> you're so right to hit this. remember when donald trump said carried interest was like getting away with murder, hedge fund private equity getting a lower rate then they create basically a loophole on steroids. the pass through rate, what steve and others like to say is for small businesses, yeah, it could benefit some small
businesses a little, but the big cost comes through it helping passive investors well off, wall street investors who get to pay, who aren't running the businesses, who get to pay a way lower rate. that was bad enough. that's why this pass through rate goes 50% to the top 1% and what professor victor fleischer saw in there and what senator merkley is hitting on the floor right now is now they've added a provision that says if you're a publicly traded partnership like blackstone, the largest wall street financial companies who already get carried interest, now you would get this low rate. that even small businesses who might be accountants or do other financial services would happen. if this is right, it is the most scandalous thing in what is already the most reckless, rushed, desperate bill i've ever seen in my life. >> gene makes a good point. if you believe this rate should apply to these people, not going
to apply to private law firm, accountants, it's going to apply to publicly traded partnerships. that means blackstone and kkr, both publicly traded partnerships. $12 billion for one guy. 5 billion for another. this is the money people are are paying them to do their job. seriously, steve, do you actually think, do you support these guys getting this tax break because that is where the money is going to go. >> i don't. i agree with the both of on this. it sounds like an outrage. what we want to do, where gene and i disagree, i think this bill will be good for the economy. it will lead to more investment and more jobs, but look, we want to help the real employers out there. the people hiring 50 or 100 workers. you know the way you describe it, it doesn't seem fair and it's a loophole that should be closed. >> my question to you how can
they. >> it's all been edited. this is how these things get through. for the rich and powerful that a specific senator says they want to defend because they donate to the campaign. this is how the stuff gets in there. i would simply mitt to you that i think they are going to pass this bill later tonight. i think that's a good thing, but then it will go to a house senate conference and i'll make holy hell out of this. i think it's outrageououtrageou frankly. there will be plenty of time for people to go through the bill. it's going to be b a week to ten days to two weeks before this thing passing and you know, it's a big bill, you're talking about a massive tax code that is being rewritten here, but i think and hope that there will p time for
those kinds of thins to be b removed. >> i know you're informally advising the white house. this is look, he's made a military interest. and now, there's this, too. >> i will, but i want to make sure i'm no eck pert on this, i want to make sure i've got my facts straight and look, gene is more of an expert on these things. what you say is true and i'll work to get it removed. >> again, the final word. >> well, erin, first of all, everybody at home is probably wondering why would people be rushing like crazy, why would there be special interest provisions. if you're wondering that, you're not uninformed. it is scandalous the pace this is going through. what you should know is whether this provisions fixed or not. their overall pass through rate they say is is for masmall
business is going to be the cat tant's full employment act. the it's going help the most elwell off people. it's what tax simplification was supposed to be against. it's tilted towards top 1% and people may not understand it by the time this passes, but they will in time for them to cast their votes in 2018. >> gene, don't forget, about 60% of our jobs this this country are created by those small businesses and you know, they, they're really looking forward to this tax cut. a lot think they can expand their businesses and hire more workers. >> then let's help those and not be -- >> but the majority -- are already at the lower rate. that's the point. the people who benefit from getting the benefit is going to be the people who have the higher rate, the rich people. so thank you both very much. i appreciate your time. and next, more on the breaking news. what a u.m. resolution has to do with the russia investigation.
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cnn has learned that jared kushner directed the former national security adviser, michael flynn, to contact the russian ambassador. flynn pleaded guilty to lying to the fbi about his cat contacts with the russian ambassador. the fourth trump campaign official to be charged. the first to have served inside the white house t second to have pled guilty. flynn is cooperating with robert mueller, raising new questions about who will be charged next. denny is "outfront" next, congressman, i pleeshuate your time. what's you reaction to flynn's guilty plea today? >> it's epic. i don't think there's any exaggerating it. in a town that runs on spin, there's no way to make hyperbole out of this. it speaks for itself. we are now down to one thin membrane at most between this plea deal between general flynn
and director mueller and the president of the united states. >> that's a pretty pretmajor statement to make. do you believe this could go to the oval office. >> it's already at the oval office. general flynn served as the national security add virz. one of the most sensitive and important positions in the federal government. >> we are learning about jared kushner, we're learning he's the senior level transition official who directed flynn to make contact with the russian ambassador. his associates are trying to say oh, it was a small group. others were involved, trying to imply he was not alone in doing this. but what do you think happens to jared kushner? >> well the thing i'd really like to see happen to jared kushner is that he get back before the house select committee on intelligence because i'm like to ask follow up questions. the fact of the matter is way wback in march when we asked
general flynn to come before the intelligence community, he asked for immunity, it was denied. at the time, his lawyer said he's got a story to tell and he really wants to tell it. now he's in a position to tell it. froms. >> do you have any indication from him as to whether he will do that in light of his cooperation with bob mueller? >> sure, i think it's written all over the e plea bargain deal! if you were to drive down 1300 pennsylvania avenue tonight about 3:00 a.m., you'd probably see a lot of lights on. >> how much farther do you think this goes? there are some who say look, we're almost at the end. that the biggest charge they have on flynn is lying to the fbi about a call to the russian ambassador that we already knew he lied about, that's not that bad. >> wait a minute. it's a felony. he's a felon. punishable by up to five years in jail. please don't say it's not that big a deal. he is now an admitted felon. >> yes. >> there are two things about investigations that are timeless and universal.
number one is it's the cover up that will get you not the underlying crime and the >> do you have concern that if there is no collusion with the russians, that that will be very difficult to sell to an already extremely divided american public? >> prima fascia, there has been collusion. it's hiding in plain sight, whether it's all the way back to that june meeting in trump tower with don junior and the russian national representative, or right up until today and the indication that general flynn was directed to make contact with the russian ambassador and engage in what was illegal activity. >> congressman heck, i appreciate your time. thank you very much. >> you're welcome. next, trump and the "p" word. you know he said it on the access hollywood tape. we are now learning about another time he used it when
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tonight, president trump accused of making another crude comment about women as he tries to claim the infamous "access hollywood" tape, the same one he apologized for, is a fake. he was telling "the new york times" that he told people in his inner circle, "the new york times" saying he's questioning whether it's his voice on that tape. but now we know who used that word again, the comment coming in 2000 while he was being interviewed for the "maximum golf" magazine. trump saying, there's nothing like first rate "p."
i interviewed the reporter wabot how and when trump made that comment. >> we had just finished playing golf. we were sitting around on the sort of outdoor patio area, eating area at the golf club, and an attractive young woman walked by, and he sort of, you know, just general to the people at the table said, you know, sort of sighed and said there's just nothing in the world like first rate -- p word i guess we're saying. >> so were you -- what was your reaction? >> i certainly wasn't surprised. at that point, i had spent about 36 hours with him. there's a lot of jabbing each other back and forth, him calling me one name, i would call him another name, that sort of stuff. the vulgarity was flowing pretty
freely, so i wasn't shocked. >> the magazine that you were writing for was "maximum golf" magazine, and the goal was to be edgy, part of it. so when you wrote the article, at the end of the article, you put this quote in there. >> yes. >> now, some people would say that wouldn't be in a "golf" magazine, but you did put nit there, but it was not published. >> that's correct. >> in fact, it was changed, although the quote marks remained, there is nothing in the world like first class talent. why was it changed? who changed it? >> so it would have been changed by the editor in chief of the magazine. so at the time i was writing a book doing some teaching and writing magazine articles. and so i had an assigning editor. he would have had to fight with the editor in chief about it, the assigning editor.
joe was very upset about it. his boss, i guess, big footed him and made him change it. >> so let's be clear. so joe is confirmed that this happened. >> yes. >> he corroborated it. the editor in chief is at smithsonian magazine and has not commented. explain to me, they literally kept the quotes around it, but that's not what he said. so that was just a false thing that somebody changed it to. >> yeah, changed the context of it and everything. >> so the "p" word is very important. because according to "the new york times," he's telling people that might not be my voice on the tape because i don't use that word. we're not debating it's his voice, because it is. he said it on that tape in fact twice. he also said that a woman said it about ted cruz during the campaign. it is a word we've heard him use multiple times. >> you know what she said? shout it out because --
you're not allowed to say, and i never expect to hear that from you again, she said, i nevahe's [ bleep ] she's hot as [ bleep ] in the purple. whoa! >> yes, the donald has scored. >> wait, you've got to look. >> i'm automatically attracted to beautiful women. i just start kissing them. it's like a magnet. when you're a star you can do whatever you want. grab them by the [ bleep ]. you can do anything. >> it's clearly a word he uses, and you heard him use it in a casual conversation with a group? >> yes, yes. and again, it didn't shock me in any way to hear him say it. >> so when you hear now that the new york times is saying it,
that i would not use those words, what's your reaction? >> it's craziness. he struck me then, and still does, as just a sort of massively insecure braggert that will say anything to make himself seem cool. >> thank you very much. i appreciate it. thanks to all of you for watching. have a safe weekend. anderson is next. nothing about the guilty plea or the charge implicates anyone other than mr. flynn. good evening. those are the words of white house lawyer ty cobb. tonight, to the contrary, the many implications for current and administration officials, a former national security adviser michael flynn's guilty plea in the russian investigation. the many ways it suggests there may be far more to come, because he also agreed to cooperate with robert mueller. the many ways it undermines virtually everything the president and his surroga