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didn't think today would roll out like this. but it's a part of a pattern, the president not taking responsibility. sort of parsing out the blame and quickly moving on. he showed his mood in tweets this morning. it started like this. let's take a look at. he said the reason i originally endorsed luther strange and his numbers went up mightily is i said roy moore would not be able to win the general election. i was right. so luther strange, of course, was the original republican running against roy moore and he was burned in that race. a couple hours later the president said this about the quality after the candidate in the race talking about roy moore, of course. he said if last night's election proved anything, it proved with everybody to put up great republicans in the house and senate. roy moore was not a good
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candidate was that was implied. went all in for roy moore. he fold steve bannon's advice and that burned him today. >> do we know what was said between the president and doug jones in the call? >> it came right before the president gave his tax speech from the oval office. he offered his congratulations we were told, and he talked about moving forward, working on this agenda and moving forward for the alabama people. it's interesting because he wants to work with him. but beyond that it was not much more than pleasantries i'm today. but he was invited to the white house which is what happened all the time. they used to have new senators to the white house. we'll see if anything comes of this meeting during this deeply partisan environment.
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>> i wonder how much blame is steve bannon getting after this loss. >> anderson, at the end of the day here of finger pointing, there's no question that steve bannon is blamed by so many people, including here at the white house. the open question here is, what does the president think of his acumen? steve bannon came out so strong after roy moore beat luther strange raiser are months ago in alabama. now he's weakened. will the president still listen to him in private conversations? many republicans hope he doesn't. the president seems to turn again and again back to steve bannon. steve bannon blamed out of this on mitch mcconnell, the senate majority leader. the president's approval ratings dropped to its lowest level since hi took office. 32% approve of the job he's
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doing. with me is senior political analyst and adviser to four presidents, david gergen. maggie, do you have any sense of is there a feeling that folks at the white house need to course correct? >> depends what you mean, in the constant base play, that comes from the president. he has a fare ear of losing his base. that that will be what carries the day throughout. he does recognize that there is at least some limit on that. while he's selling this as i was in a lose-lose situation, he has enough doubt about what he did in endorsing roy moore that he solicit pretends from a number of people, which is what he always does when he's not sure. we've seen this president be skin he follows mitch mcconnell
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until that doesn't work anymore, then he goes with his base. i don't know if he knows another way. we'll see the impact on the tax plan vote. if this has a dellterrous effect, then we might see a course correction. a . >> david, should there be a course correction? >> it's not last year he's on a course. sort of jumping from one lily pad for it next. but he needs a strategy. i think the signs are clear not only from doug jones but virginia and new jersey that a persuasive building up and unless he changes or adopts a strategy which goes beyond his base, which appeals to moderate republicans and independents, is not only the republican control of the house and senate, which is threatened, but it's going to
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be his own re-election. i think it's absolutely clear that he has to change to a new strategy. we waited phonic to see if donald trump would change, and we learned he would not, so it's hard to be optimistic. >> there's that new iowa poll. 32% approval. a new des moines register poll showing 35% approval in iowa. iowa is a state he won by nine points. >> yes, in the general election. i w iowa sake mid western state. but clearly, you can see a wave building in a number of states. this has been a big complaint for a while. they don't have a really in-depth political operation, zblooiftds a-- he's a reactive
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politician. have everything by sight and by sound at these rallies. he's up to once a month at this point so he has to rely on a seeing eye dog in the form of steve bannon. bill stepian who's the political director has a lot -- he's basia field guy. he's a certain kind of operative. there isn't a depth of the rnc to bolster them in data and money. in terms of what they're doing for strategic terms, there's not much in operation there. >> there would be a bigger, a more complex or experienced
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operation it seems. the idea of him going out and doing rallies. >> absolutely. if you think of the most successful chief of staff, that person has a lot of political moxie, james baker who ran two campaigns against reagan and the day after reagan was elected he asked jim breaker to be chief of staff. it was really important that he had baker there. where everything is integrated, politics, policy, on the hill that's in the chief of staff's office. same with john podesta who was a good chief of staff for bill clinton. ran at the hillary campaign as chairman. i think maggie makes a good point. he does not have anybody, of stature that he trusts around him to help him. >> midterm elections are coming
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up and then it's the presidential election. it starts to get to a worn path. >> one thing jonathan martin, my colleague, and i had reported on, there was a lack of plank about -- planning r. they were just beginning this at this point. they would say we've devoted a lot of our political resources to the policy to work the hill. you have to be able to work both tracks in any white house, but especially in this climate. and they're going into a year where all the forces appear to be against them with the exception of the economy. but still, the midterms tend to be when the party that's in power gets beaten up. >> and you also have steve bannon, and the question is will
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he be running warfare. >> he can't have it both ways talking to the president, ruining the possibilities of the republicans holding house and senate. that's a big deal. i think the president will get his tax -- i sense he has the bill through.can get the tax - there may be some derails, but next year will be harder. typically a president has one year ago to get things done before you start to worry about midterm elections. i don't see how he gets that down. >> i agree. he's coming into this with tremendously strong head winds and it's hard to see. it has to be the president who says i'm not going to talk to
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this guy. donald trump in the same way he's never severed ties with roger stone, there's this constant -- he will say roger stone doesn't speak for me. he is always watching roger stone out of the corner of his eye. the same true with bannon. he knows with both of those that they can speak to his base and they can understand his base and in some ways better than he can. it is dependent on what he sees in front of him. and that matters. >> got to take a break. our panel is next. the "usa today" editorial board saying that is editorial board of the
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"usa today." we'll hear from a member of that board ahead.
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for the first time in 25 years, alabama has elected a democrat to the senate. today doug jones says he's aware some might have not voted so much for him but against his opponent. >> there is also that segment of this population who voted against roy moore. i understand that. i get that. but you know what? that's not a bad thing. when that kind of politics for a
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segment of the population in alabama to help reject that kind of history and that divisive rhetoric, i think that's a good thing. >> maggie haber man from the "times" is back. and josh green. you weren't there last night with us. what did you see in the victory of doug jones? how do you interpret it? >> i think somebody made this point to me on twitter and it was a fair one. i was talking about turnout among african-americans pivotal. it was pivotal. write-in was a factor and a lot of people staying home was a factor. votes in key county for jones being above where they needed to in terms of turnout, votes for moore below where they needed to. it is a remarkable occurrence. this is a unicorn vote a democrat in alabama for a senate seat. i don't know how much more we can interpret based on the specific results but there's a
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couple key points we can look toward as indicators which is the president's approval is low in exists. we know that roy moore was a uniquely complicated and compromised candidate. doug jones is a pro-choice democrat who got elected. so many voters didn't know that because this race was about roy moore, and that was it. not a lot of this race down duplicated somewhere else, but we see in state by state in special elections over the last year and in nonspecial elections, there is some kind of movement building against the president that is a bad harbinger for next year. if you're the white house, that is what you have to be looking at. if your mitch mcconnell and paul ryan, you are getting nervous about holding your majorities. >> do you see this as a wave building? >> certainly there's a movement among democrats who are very angry about having lost the presidential election to get it together and turn out and vote.
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that's clearly what happened. i think president obama's last intervention with african-american voters clearly effect on turnout, which helped in alabama. there's a lot of circumstances here that aren't going to be replicated elsewhere, but candidate quality matters. roy moore will be represented as the guy who lost because he was an alleged pedophile. he was being seriously outspent and right now in the republican party there are people who are trying to recruit similar dpliech candidates in senate races. candidates who don't appeal to a broad elect rate. >> what happens to bannon now? what does bannon argue?
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he's blaming mitch mcconnell. >> it's a huge embarrassment for bannon. he jumped in four square behind roy moore and steve bannon is the guy who nationalized this election because he said this is going to be a proxy battle in this war between the hard right nationalists that i represent and the gop establishment that mitch mcconnell represents. floor got wiped with his candidate last night. i think it does a lot to puncture this aura that bannon worked hard to build up that he has psychic connection with trump voters and the republican brace that he can transfer to other candidates and other republican primaries and knock of gop incumbents. >> i can't remember who it was who said that when you get early into politics, you have to work on a campaign where the person wins, you start to think that you're the candidate, that you
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have tapped into something and you feel that way until you get slapped down the next time and lose. >> that's part of it. we never spoke at rallies. we stayed back behind the scenes and behind the stage. bannon came out against the president. that is unprecedented. i never saw my friend carl remorove do that. this is without precedent. even insulted the president's daughter at a rally. it's extraordinary and it's noteworthy. >> and the president didn't respond. >> this is the thing. this idea that -- it's not like people keep saying why is bannon being allowed to do this? because the president's not saying don't. he's still taking his phone calls. they spoke yesterday. >> bannon has a little bit of a street cred.
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where was he when had story broke in "the washington post"? why didn't he say to judge moore, you're going to be on national tv, the spotlights are going to be incredible. here's what you're going to say. i think moore as much as anything confirmed these women just by the way he reacted. >> that night he was at the citadel and we carried him live and he was saying you're going to see things come out about these women, that there's collusion and they were -- he went after the women. >> he was on the phone with roy moore with sean hannity to explain himself. that interview wound up going disastrously. he didn't do a lot to help himself. there's something else going on with steve bannon that doesn't get enough attention. i was in a lot of the rallies in
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alabama. when bannon would come out to speak, he wasn't speaking about roy moore. he was trying to brush "r" push his ideas about nationalism, populism, his feud with bannon and cultivate this image of himself as a folk hero. he does it os sensibly in trump's name. >> do you think that's because he's looking at the long game into the midterms assuming that roy moore was going to win? that he could use whatever lor he thought he was creating to go in with other candidates. >> that's exactly what he was thinking he was going to do. and it failed. >> disaster. it was a disaster. candidate recruitment does matter. republicans learn this the hard way in 2010 where we had the opportunity to pick up senate seats in places like nevada, delaware.
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we had horrible tea party candidates they were considered back then. christine o'donnell had to address an execution about being a witch. >> which she denied. >> she said i am not a witch, which is as bad as new york city i don't beat -- no, i don't beat my wife. it's a shame. are we going to repeat that cycle? with bannon, if he's allowed to have that influence with candidates again, that's going to be a disaster for republicans. >> has bannon ever talked about himself running for something. >> he denies he has any interest in doing that. but as a couple people pointed out, he spent time giving public speeches and specially trying to build a following for what he says is trumpism, but it's really bannonism.
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he's going more in mitch mcconnell's direction. bannon has not let go of those ideas and believes he can push them and by defeating candidates like the ones mitch mcconnell endorses, ultimately they didn't even battle within the party. >> remember this. 1.5% race, credible flawed candidate, he still did fairly well. when you think about roy moore -- would be any candidate's opposition dream not only was he quoted as saying it, but there was videotape of him saying it. you really want to kill a candidate in his own words, just rolling his own words back to him. and so you had that. and then you had the sexual misconduct. remember, the last statewide election that roy moore ran in, he only won by 52%. >> one thing to address your point about boot strapping a lot of issues that bannon brought into this race, what this race
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ultimate ultimately came down was the believability of women that accused him of sexual misconduct. that is a problem for a president who is face his own accusations of sexual misconduct. forget about the president's own bet. but he was encouraged by borann and a few other people, it would make it a lot harder for that momentum to sweep up the president. when we come back, the scathing message from the "usa today" editorial board. they say the president is not fit for office after his tweet about senator kirsten gillibrand. we'll speak to one of the "usa today" editors next.
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gillibrand who started calling for president trump's resignation turnover weekend. here's the tweet. lightweight senator kirsten gillibrand, a total flunky for schumer, begging for contributions not so long ago and would do anything for them is in the ring fighting against trump. this morning senator gillibrand was asked whether she interpreted the tweet as a sexual reference that she would trade sexual favors for campaign cash. here's what she said. >> certainly that's how i and many people read it, and it was certainly just a sexist smear intended to silence me. i'm not going to be silenced on this issue. i heard the testimony of many women, numerous accusers. i believe them. and he should resign for that. >> in response, this was an editorial that included this line. a president all by called her a
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for the misunderstand of the president's tweet because many think it's about sexual innuendoes. >> only if your mind is in the gutter would you have read it that way. so no. >> it's also an argument that they used during the megyn kelly comments made by the president. you clearly don't buy that, that it has nothing to do with sex. >> i think it's completely preposterous. you can use the same language to a man and same language to a woman, and i tell you, means completely different things. everyone knows what trump meant when he said that megyn elk was bleeding from her wherever. and everyone knew what the president meant when he said that kirsten gillibrand was willing to do anythi"anything". >> the editorial went on to be sure, quote, with his latest tweet clearly implying a united states senator would trade sexual favors, president trump
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has shown he's not fit for office, rock bottom is no "s" no embedment for a president who can find room for a new low. do you think this is a bottom for him? >> i wish. i keep trying to give the president the benefit of the doubt. i would really like to have a successful presidency. i'm an american just like anybody else. over and over again i thought he's going to start learning. we've thought that he was going to change and turning things around, but it never happens. >> this is not the first editorial that's been very tough on donald trump from ttrump. the what do you say? >> i say that's absolutely not
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true. we're an editorial board that goes from very can i have members like me to very liberal members. we have a lot of moderates. we're trying to come from a practical centrist perspective. i grew up in ohio and michigan and nebraska. we're not an east coast elitist editorial board. we're like every other american. we're trying to help make the country a better place. when we were writing this editorial, we thought just being straight with what exactly the truth was would help us get there. >> david, appreciate your time. thank you. >> thank you. coming up next, an emotional moment for former vice president joe biden. we'll show you the moment ahead. it's date night and...
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are a touching moment this morning on answer's "the view." the daughter of john mccain got choked up when she talked about her father's brain cancer. biden offered words of agreement to mccain's daughter. it's long but worth watching. take a look. >> couldn't get through your book. your son had the same cancer my father was diagnosed with six months ago. >> there's a lot of hope. >> i think about bo almost every day. and i was told -- sorry -- that this doesn't get easier. but you cultivate the tools to work with this and live with this. i know you and your family have been through tragedy that i couldn't conceive of -- it's not
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about me. >> no, it is about everyone. but look, one of the things that gave bo courage was john. your dad, you may remember when you were a kid, your my dad dad took care of my bo. your dad became friends with bo. and bo talked about your dad's courage, not about illness, but about his courage. and look, there's a lot of things happening. if anyone was diagnosed with it, there's break throughs that are occurring now. at the university of pennsylvania where i teach now, at the abrahamson center, are what are they found out is a thing called a car t cell, they
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take them out of your body and roef reinforce it with an anti-jen. they had a break through with a new drug dealing with child leukemia. there's other things. they have what they did with bo is starting to happen now. they're using this car t cell. >> so there's hope. >> there is low. if anybody can make it, your dad -- her dad is one of my best friends. [ applause ] her dad -- her dad goes back to me hammer and tong. we're like two brothers who were somehow raised by different fathers or something because of our points of view.
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but i know, and i've said it, even when your dad got mad at me, said i should get off the ticket. [ laughter ] do you remember what i said about your dad? i said i know if i picked up the phone tonight and called john mccain and said, john, i'm at 2nd and vine in oshkosh, and i need your help, come, held get on a plane and come. and i would for him too. >> senator mccain's office says he's currently hospitalized in washington getting treatment for normal side effects of his cancer treatment. back with the panel now. we're joined again by david gergen. it's one of those reminders of decency and humanity among the horror show of politics today.
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people on different sides of the aisle but who genuinely like each other. >> doug jones was saying last night in alabama, the campaign transcended issues. it was more about decency and a return for civility. it was in indianapolis today and i can tell you that's what they're talking about. that's what they care about. no matter what side of the aisle they're on. joe biden is a good messenger for the democratic party part in that regard. he overtalks, makes mistakes, but he's funny and he's a warm human being. and i think he's one of the few -- paul can speak to this, but he's a bridge between the moderate and more traditional democrats and elizabeth warren democrats. i think he does that well. >> people should read his book, called "promise me dad." it's not a political book.
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it's mostly about how a father says goodbye to his son. i knew his son a bit. remarkable guy in his own right. and he walks you through that. they are finding miracles. the way that he bolstered meghan mccain in, he does that to strangers all the time because he's been so touched by tragedy and now by cancer. the cancer community and military families are drawn to him. and i've seen that in him over and over. i think the book is a terrific book. if i can plug that for a holiday gift, "promise me dad." anybody who's had to deal with loss, it's really a powerful testimony. it is pure joe biden. >> what this showed about joe biden was something i think democrats missed with hillary, which was his relatability.
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that's why they called him uncle joe, even in his gaffes. we all know as republicans we would make fun of joe biden as a gaffe machine, get a chuckle out of it, but it made him human. i have my own experience with the biden family and they are amazingly wonderful, good and decent people. i may disagree with them on policy and politics, but you cannot -- i cannot emphasis wze enough how good they are. i looked at what his favorables were in 2015, and he was the only democrat that was not under water. hillary clinton's favorable versus unfavorable, she was under water, so was bernie sanders. to be honest, if it had been joe biden versus donald trump, i would have had flo problem kr s
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not ready. if in a year or more and no one has moved in that can do it, maybe, i'm being as honest as can i. >> i think he's beloved in the democratic party party. so far they've united wonderfully in the elections. he seems to be a unifying force. in a way that president obama was. i think he would make a hell of a candidate. if you read the book, mike donilon, how you could run in the last election cycle. you're from the middle class, you'll fight for the middle class, you'll bring those values to the middle class. you do that, and perhaps you don't lose pennsylvania where joe biden grew up or michigan or wisconsin or the white house. i think a lot of democrats are
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going to be drawn to joe biden. >> he was in savannah, my son jim. >> you would have thought they were best friends. he quit talking to me. another thing about his character he was one of the few democrats at strom thurmond's funeral. he went and he stood proudly. just like he's doing with mccain, it shows decency. i have to tell you, like anybody in office you have your good days and bad days. where do i get a phone call? from max cleland. we were always on the opposite side of things, he gave me one of the best pep talks you ever had, you do need more of that in washington. and you need more of that in politics today. a guy like joe biden doing what he's doing on national tv.
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i think it's very important. >> he's hopeful. you saw that, he was using the word. you saw that when he was talking about mccain. he and mccain shared the fact that both of them have gone through experiences in their life that are far beyond what anyone should have to endure. when you think of what the criticisms are of the current president, it's never in public service. and there is this element of self-enrichment that he gets criticized for. i think all the things joe biden has run for president before, and struggled before, the main issue for biden, and he talked about, is that he was seen as a gaffe maker. politics moves so fast now trump has set the bar so far in a direction, he would be able to survive. the news cycle burns so fast and hot and out. >> age is obviously also something that he would have to consider and voters would consider. >> trump is 71.
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>> he could appeal to them better than some of the other democrats could. i was in youngstown ohio at a biden rally during the campaign, speaking to people in a crowd one of the union guys said to me, they send him here, because they can't send hillary here, it's okay, because we like him. we reach into a blue collar. they've had such a hard time maintaining and pulling back those voters from trump. >> i think he would have been a wonderful president i wish he had won and run in the past. i think he's in excellent shape. he's very useful man at this age. it's also true within the democratic party. there is a desire for new faces, moving ahead, and in country after country around the world right now, people are turning to
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a younger generation. and i think you have to take trudeau in canada, argentina. >> i heard some people say if he had a young vice president he would only serve one term. >> i think it's going to be hard. i think he's growing to be a great counselor, he ought to be at the side of whoever gets the nomination. i think he's realistic to know age is an issue. you can see it in the house, with the house democrats. >> once you declare your candidacy, all your flaws come out. everybody points out what's wrong with you. >> he had the notion of decency, and if somebody carried that as a mantle. i don't know if it can sustain the rough and tumble of a campaign. >> given that he's been in politics since he was 27 years old. i think that he knows how to
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handle that. he's been through three presidential elections. two as vice president. he's been raked over the coals for other things, controversies with the plagiarism and different things. to maggies point, that is small potatoes compared to things we've seen and compared to the flaws of our current president. biden, i think he'd have a shot. where's sumatra? good question. this is win. and that's win's goat, adi. the coffee here is amazing. because the volcanic soil is amazing. making the coffee erupt with flavor. so we give farmers like win more plants. to grow more delicious coffee. that erupts with even more flavor. which helps provide for win's family. and adi the goat's family too. because his kids eat a lot. all, for a smoother tasting cup of coffee. green mountain coffee roasters. packed with goodness. the world is not flat. you can't just pinch it, swipe it, or scroll it. sure, you've seen the mediterranean. but have you?
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