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good evening. we begin tonight with a bombshell, a bombshell book by michael wolff, a book that contains stunning quotes from steve bannon, who is his former campaign adviser, who stood by him, even when the access hollywood tape hit. now implicating him in the russia probe and suggesting his oldest son and son-in-law committed treason.
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and he took michael wolff fire and fury inside of the white house, it is only part of the picture and how he operates in a white house under fire. wolff said he based the book on conversations and interviews with most members of the senior staff, even the president himself. according to wolff's book, here is what steve bannon said about the june 16 meeting with jared kushner and paul manafort. quote, the three senior guys in the campaign thought it was a good idea to meet with a foreign government in trump tower on the 25th floor with no lawyers. with no lawyers. even if you thought that was not treasonous or unpatriotic or bad expletive, and i happen to think it was all of that, you should have called the fbi immediately. and we'll go to that, but first the white house disputes much of the book. but what's really interesting is the white house line of attack on steve bannon now, which seems
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to be exactly what they've done time after time and insisting that the person in question never was much of a player after all. they did it with paul manafort and george papadapoulos and markal online and carter page and now listen to what sher saying about steve bannon. the president said steve bannon has nothing to do with me or my presidency. when he was fired, he not only lost his job, he lost his mind. sara sanders was asked about that today. >> the president suggests that steve bannon had very little influence in the white house but the president himself elevated him as the chief of staff and put him on national security counsel. what do you think about that? >> i wouldn't say he elevated him to the same level as the chief of staff and in the acs steve took the president was clear that it didn't have a lot of influence on him or the decision making process throughout his time here at the white house. >> okay. so sara sanders saying that the president's former campaign ceo and then chief white house political strategist did not have a lot of influence. let's look at pictures to begin. look, there is steve bannon with
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the president one onone. there's steve bannon exercising his walk-in privileges in the oval office and with the national security team. and even after he left the white house, steve bannon continued to speak with the president. >> a very quick one. i don't understand the timing of something. steve bannon left in the summer, late summer, if the president said he lost his mind in -- when left, why did he continue to talk to him for so many months? >> that is a good question. press secretary sarah sanders answered suggesting there was nothing irreconcilable, about those two irreconcilable notions. >> look, the president continues to have conversations with him often asked for by mr. bannon, the president spoke with him but that doesn't mean that he can't hold that position. >> so she's saying the president of the united states is having conversations with someone he believes has lost his mind. let that sink in. and while you do that, as for sanders' claim that bannon and
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reince priebus were not on equal footing, as of today here is the press release naming them to their jobs. listen to the wording, please. donald trump announced that trump for president ceo steve bannon will serve as counsel to the president and reince priebus will be chief of staff and they will continue the leadership team they formed during the campaign working as equal partners to transform the federal government. equal partners. reince priebus and steve bannon. transforming the federal government together as equal partners. despite what sara sanders said today. again the white house disputes much of what came out in excerpts in the book by michael wolff. sarah sanders today. >> we're certainly happy for people that had different opinions. but there is a difference between a different opinion and different facts. and people are entitled to an opinion but they are not entitled to their own facts and we have a big problem with
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people putting out misleading information. that is very different things. >> sarah sanders talking about people putting out misleading information. let that one sink in for a moment. and the white house line is down playing the steve bannon role in the white house and it comes straight from the top. [ inaudible ] joins us from the white house. i read a line. but the president issued a statement in response to the quotes from bannon. explain the whole quote, what he said. >> anderson, think we could retire the dumpster fire because the bomb cyclone hit washington a day early. we saw that at the white house with the reaction of steve bannon. i've never seen a statement from the president like this aimed at somebody who works so closely with him and so high up in his administration. but let's put this up there. we could read it to you. it is pretty remarkable. steve bannon has nothing to do with me or my presidency. when he was fired he not only lost his job, he lost his mind. now that he is on his own, he's learning that winning isn't as easy as it i make it look.
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steve had very little influence to fool a few people with no access and no clue whom he helped write phony books. a couple of things, anderson, one is the white house press secretary sarah sanders did say the president is furious about all of this. and that is why we saw this statement from the president today. but keep in mind, and one thing we haven't mentioned, is that despite the fact that the president feels steve bannon lost his mind when he was fired last summer, he continued to take his advice right up until the alabama senate race. much of the republican party was saying stay away from roy moore in alabama. whose advice did the president follow? steve bannon's. >> do we know -- was there something in particular that made the president respond as strongly as he did with that incredible statement? >> well, i talked to a source close to the white house this evening who said that steve bannon crossed a line when he went after the first family. when he went after don jr. and melania saying according to one
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michael wolff excerpt put in the new yorker magazine today that she was distraught and in tears on election night. that going after the president's family was crossing the line and going too far. and in the words of the one source close to the white house, that meant the gloves had to come off and at this point, they are not holding back. that is suggesting anderson strongly that this war on steve bannon at the white house may continue for days if not weeks. >> and we should point out the book is saying that the first lady was distraught because he won and she didn't expect him to win and didn't want him to win and many people in the trump campaign did not expect him to win and thought it wasn't a good idea if he did win. >> and a rare -- that's right. and a rare statement from the first lady's office that we don't hear very much from, the first lady's office put out a statement saying that this book that was largely based on this interview with steve bannon, the conversations with steve bannon in the book belongs in the bargain fiction section of the book store. so it is pretty remarkable to
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see this kind of statement coming from the president and also the first lady's office as well. >> no doubt. jim acosta, thank you. and we have more from steve bannon and the trump tower meeting, including this. which contradicted all of the denials that the candidate knew about it, if true. quote, the chance that don jr. did not walk these [ inaudible ]s up to his father's office up to the his father's office on the 26th floor is zero. talking about walking the russians up. as for the son, he did not stand a chance against investigators telling wolff, quote, they're going to crack done jr. like an egg in washington, d.c. now from josh green, michael d'antonio and in "the new york times" and white house correspondent maggie haberman.
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i don't know where to begin, maggie. but what do you make of -- did you ever think that there could be a day where president trump calls steve bannon -- that he's lost his mind and that he didn't really have much to do with the campaign? >> we -- that was the most predictable. that he would say that the -- that steve bannon had nothing to do with the campaign or his presidency. because as pointed out, that is their go-to. >> papadapoulos saying he is the coffee boy. >> he's done a version of this before. he did this in 2017 and this is when jared kushner and ivanka were complaining about bannon. i did not think we would see the fireworks that we saw today. normally we see fireworks on new year's, not right after. and this has been extremely unusual. saying that steve bannon ahad nothing to do with the campaign or had nothing to do when the white house is like saying david axelrod had nothing to do with the white house. he was there at the beginning of the barack obama campaign -- >> but he was there when the
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"access hollywood" tape came up and reince priebus was getting off the train. >> and he was seen as the solution and to be fair, the reality is if they had not made that change, all of the trump advisers agree that trump would have not won. he was comfortable with bannon. that was a relationship. he liked bannon. that has dissolved into something else and the comments that bannon made about trump's son -- don jr. has -- and they've been attacking them for a while now but this isn't ban -- bannon's own voice attacking his son, accusing him of treason, saying he must have known, saying there is a there there in the russia probe. that is counter the party line, that is counter the white house line. it is really stunning. >> josh, the sources of some of the quotes is opaque. it is not always clear who is recounting the stories.
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wolff at one point writes about an idea credited to bannon and bannon said the president, that wasn't his idea, that was my idea. it is the trump way, not the bannon way. how much -- how much of this about bannon finally exerting that -- can we -- that it could be the bannon way? what do you make of these quotes? >> i don't know what to make of these quotes. i don't know who wolff's sources were. i think it is clear that bannon talked to him a great length. but wolff was parked in the west wing of the white house for a good deal of the early portion of the trump administration. and also it is clear talk to all sorts of other senior advisers. >> he was parked there and there in the white house. >> yes. literally in the white house. and talking to other adviser. so while i have no doubt that bannon's responsible for the colorful language and saying things like ivanka trump is dumb
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as a brick, i don't think we could conclude that every negative scene came from bannon. and the other factor here, i've been talking to people around the white house and around trump, is michael wolff was the author of a rupert murdoch biography and trump has long worshipped murdock. and that is one of the reasons why wolff was able to get the face time and the access for the book. >> and, megan, you agree with that just in terms of the quotes? what do you make -- >> so i think there are some things in the book that are true and some things in the book that are not true. i've read the book and i'm familiar with the material. i think that josh is right, that this is not just coming from bannon. there were multiple aides who spoke to him. what josh is suggesting is that he had access to the president. and that as far as i understand is not true. what he -- he had a phone call that he doesn't describe in the book as trump calling him. he described it as trump calling a new york media associate and the basic substance of the call was the president was angry
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about a story that glenn thrush and i had written and angry about this and that. and that appears to be the extent of the time that michael wolpf got with trump. and maybe i'm wrong and he should say that and it is vague and intentionally so. a lot of this appears to be concluding what trump was thinking based on what various advisers would say. >> i have no firsthand knowledge that wolf did or didn't have any interview with trump. it was made to appear so in the excerpts of the book that i read, but i have no idea what the sourcing or editing was like in that book so i couldn't say for sure. >> michael, someone who has profiled donald trump over the years, i think back when steve bannon was on the cover of "time" magazine and that is something trump doesn't like, if anybody else is outshining him, particularly if it's an underling, particularly a top underling. >> that is absolutely true. and i think if we recall how
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jeff sessions has fared, the president hasn't let go of his annoyance with jeff sessions. so i think we're beginning what is going to be a battle royale. this is a fight between trump and bannon, bannon actually is a very savvy, very intelligent player of the media. he's every bit as good at it as donald trump is. so there is also going to be the author of the book brought into the mix. so his methods and practices aren't exactly mine. i wouldn't use 500 words of supposed conversations that i didn't witness in a book and portray it as a quote. so there is a lot for the president and his folks to attack. and that makes it troublesome for the rest of us in the press because we're going to have to talk about what the media does to donald trump and he's make a big issue of that. >> megan, does it -- does it --
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do you think the president has any idea that this was coming? because michael wolff had made earlier public statements which were positive toward the trump white house and i thought well he is trying to curry favor or get access. i didn't realize he was already in the white house. >> josh said that he -- that michael wolff was in the west wing and i saw him in the lobby at least once waiting to see steve bannon. so that is definitely true. he was there. i believe the president did know about the book. his aides knew about it. they did not expect it to be as -- as controversial and knife cuts as it is and i think they they were caught off guard by that. michael said something that made me think of what you just mentioned about the media coverage and they are going to be a focus on how the media covers trump. michael wolff was very critical of how everybody else covered donald trump very early on in the administration when that was the president's perspective as well. his words lined up closely with the president's at a point when he was trying to get an interview with the president.
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he then authored a book of nearly 300 pages, which basically portray much of which basically portray -- much of what everyone else in the media would who covers the white house has been portraying for quite some time. so some of this is affirming of reporting taking place and some of it is shedding or alleges to shed new light on other aspects of what has taken place. >> the president's going to feel very betrayed -- >> absolutely. that is what i'm trying to say. >> this plays right into his anger and rage at the media. into his life long narrative that everybody is a bad guy and everybody can be purchased and everybody is going to be betray him, everyone is dishonest. and so when he lies, and distorts, he will say i'm doing what everybody does. look at the dishonest media. >> josh. >> maggie is too polite to say this. >> i'm often accused of that. >> i'm standing up for you.
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he was attacking maggie's reporting during the time he was trying to get access to the people and he did. he manipulated the egos of the people in the white house to get this access to get up close and then turned around and wrote the kind of book they weren't expecting. but i think it is important to be clear this was something -- this type of book was precisely the type of coverage that wolff to ingratiate himself with bannon and with kellyanne conway, with senior white house officials and it worked. but he should be called out for that and people should be clear about how it was that he wound up in a situation where he could write this kind of book. >> we have to take a quick break. coming up next, more from this book. much more on how the president operates and how little he's been learning on the job and the serious allegations about the russia investigation and reaction from a leading russia ambassador, vice chair mark warner. safelite autoglass we know that when you're spending time with the grandkids... ♪ music
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than semi literate. he trusted his own expertise, no matter how paltry or irrelevant more than anyone else's. and it is like trying to figure out what a child wants. that last part is a direct quote. the other stuff is from michael wolff. now we called katie walsh and she referred us to what she cold jonathan swan from "axios" was that she never said the things attributed to her. and the passage does jive with how sam nunberg described his mind. he was sent to the constitution and i got to the fourth amendment before his finger is pulling down on his lip and his eyes are rolling back into his head. does that -- >> that is very understated. >> there has been a lot out about how the president doesn't read and how he processes information. so it's not really -- >> look, that first of all -- i think nunberg is on the record
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on that anecdote, in some fashion. so that doesn't seem completely out of line. i think that there are several areas where there is something that is accurate but the facts are not quite right. he got -- and i hate to take it back to this, just standing on my head, he got minor things -- shots at other media outlets, he got basic details wrong about stories. about things. and i worked with a lot of journalists early in my career who would talk about dealing in larger truths. the actual details do matter if you are going to report these are quotes from people and he claims, as michael said, to have -- he paints these scenes of 500-word exchanges of dialogue. >> and let's talk about -- why would steve bannon go after the -- say these things about the president. he was -- he was so close to him all during the campaign. what is going on? >> i think a couple of things.
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i don't know how much is a strategy. i think bannon had genuine frustration about the way the white house was run and i think he and jared kushner butted heads. we saw that in 2017 and there was nobody to kind of arbit the west wing. and john kelly has not changed the behavior of the president. look at twitter for that. but it became a different place and the one thing that i do think became a unifying factor for white house staff members in 2017, they became unified against steve bannon. you saw that in their statements and bannon feels like he has nothing left to lose and he is aware, they are watching him about how he'll try to run the slate of candidates in 2018. outsider candidates and insurgents and then the king maker and rightful inheriter of
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the trump movement. they have -- they are trying to get that done and he doesn't have a whole lot to lose. >> for those interested in the russia investigation, the allegations that bannon is saying that -- that he can't imagine that donald trump jr. didn't bring these people up to meet the president elect. which -- or to meet the candidate at that point. that hadn't even been much in consideration. i always thought, well maybe -- there is a high potential that donald trump jr. told his father about the meeting or what he felt about the meeting. but it is pretty stunning -- what steve bannon is saying about donald trump jr., that he is going to crack like an egg on television. >> and did don jr. tell his father, that is one of the questions we don't have answers to. but i think it is important to stipulate, that bannon himself i don't believe was in a position to know. this meeting took place in june. bannon didn't join the campaign until mid-august. so the way i read that excerpt was bannon was a asserting or speculating or positioning that this happened but i don't think we have any way of knowing or he has any way of knowing what was
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said in the meeting, what don jr. did afterward and whether or not trump was told about it. >> and it is interesting, but just the -- that the white house is trying to diminish steve bannon's role. >> sure. and there is surmisal in what is written and suggested by bannon. i think one of the dynamics that maggie might be able to speak to well is that steve bannon, his agenda is different from the mainstream republican agenda and president trump seemed to gravitate toward that as the first year of his presidency evolved. so you wind up with this tax bill that the bannon base doesn't like. there is nothing popular in this tax bill. in fact, trump abandoned the promises he made about taxes and about other things, that the breitbart alt-right crowd really hung their hats on. and so maybe bannon is exacting some revenge for the loss of his agenda as well. >> and another excerpt from the wolff book about the president.
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quote, when he got on the phone after dinner, he would speculate on the flaws and weaknesses of his staff. bannon was disloyal and he always looks like an expletive. and priebus was weak and sean spicer was stupid and looked terrible, too. conway with a cry baby and jared and ivanka should never have come to washington. we know he likes to poll friends about figurers in his administration, but the white house is calling this tabloid trash. >> well, look, a lot of these charges or assertions do have the ring of truth. trump is well-known for polling people about how they think his staff is doing, being very critical of the people who work for him. so there is nothing to say that that isn't true. >> he polls members on the staff about one another, that he does and then he vents to each of
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them. >> and i think -- >> what josh? >> i said part of this -- i'm not sure that the white house anger is so much driven by wolff's characterization of staffers as so much as it is that the idea that trump is an idiot or is stupid and isn't -- isn't -- doesn't deserve the credit for his own victory. the thing that trump objected to by my book i'm told is that my thesis was that he wouldn't have been elected president without steve bannon. the parts of wolff's book that i read share that subtext. that is what is so angered trump and caused him to go after bannon in the personal nature in the statements. >> maggie, michael, josh, thank you. up next, paul manafort is suing the justice department saying robert mueller has overstepped his authority. we'll take a look at whether that lawsuit has any merit and we'll get thoughts on this new wolff look as well. i saw the change in rich when we moved into the new house.
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call, visit, or go to former trump campaign chairman paul manafort is suing the justice department saying robert mueller overstepped his authority in charging him with crimes that aren't related to the campaign. paul manafort has been indicted on money laundering and other charges. in a statement from the justice department spokesperson said the lawsuit is frivolous but the defendant is entitled to file whatever he wants. joining me now is journalist carl bernstein and chief legal analyst, jeffrey toobin. >> a not-so legendary journalist. absolutely accurate. >> is there any merit to his suit? >> i think it is very unlikely to succeed. it is not a crazy idea. in 1987 when i was one of the junior members of the team that
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defended -- that prosecutors oliver north, he filed a similar lawsuit trying to get the case -- the walsh appointment, lawrence walsh, the independent counsel, trying to get him disqualified. i think this is even less likely to succeed as north's suit did not succeed. it might have a somewhat better chance as a motion to dismiss the indictment once he gets to trial as opposed to an entirely different lawsuit, but i think it's just another example of how every tool is being used to try to discredit mueller. and now it is his -- now he doesn't have the right to do what he's doing. his staff is biased. you just see day after day this is going on. >> does it tell you, carl, about where the investigation is? >> a lot.
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this is a -- part of a concerted effort by people around donald trump to make this investigation go away. and what we have seen in the past 24 hours with these tweets, my button is bigger than your button and i stopped airplane crashes and now this extraordinary book that goes to the same picture that all of us have known about donald trump, and have talked about -- for months. this is about a toxic president and a tox is presidency and a dangerous presidency. and meanwhile in the midst of this we have a criminal investigation that is now moving closer to donald trump's children. and particularly one of the things that has got donald trump very rattled is this trump tower meeting. and the fact that donald trump came up with the cover story that is part of the cover-up of what actually occurred. the story was concocted on the plane. that that meeting had nothing to do with those russians there, it had to do with orphan children. et cetera, et cetera. donald trump dictated that account. and he knows that mueller has now pieced together exactly what happened on that airplane and that is one of the things --
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just one indicative aspect of what is happening here. but really, it is about the toxicity of a president of the united states, his actions, his fitness, both in terms of possible criminality and his stability. that's what really what this book is about. >> jeff, politically, could it be good for mueller that a federal judge will rule on paul manafort's suit. >> well, i -- >> with all of the attacks. >> the thing about robert mueller is, i don't think he cares about his political posture. he cares about bringing his case. this is someone unique in washington recent history who has no public relations apparatus at all. he's going to want to win this lawsuit because it means he can proceed. but i don't think he -- he gets up in the morning and thinks, how is my political positioning different than it was yesterday? he's got cases to investigate. he has a trial to proceed to in may.
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that's what he's worried about, and i don't think he's worried about how he's perceived. >> carl, you know better than anyone and you've seen a white house under investigation by yourself and others. how do you see how this white house is responding to all of these investigations? >> it is responding as if it is part of a train wreck and is a cause of a train wreck and it doesn't know what to do, partly because the president of the united states is himself calling the shots here, not listening to legal advice. but the facts are the problem here. it is the facts of the way this president conducted himself that are now mixed up with the response to the mueller inquiry. that the president in his response to this investigation has shown his instability and the two things are now wrapped up together. and that is the train wreck. and that is the difference between watergate. the essential difference is the response of republicans. republicans were the heroes in watergate.
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they said, we -- this is not about our party. this is about a criminal president of the united states. >> it took a while. >> of course. >> it started in the hearings, in the senate watergate -- it started -- they were determined to get -- >> that is nice. >> your phone is -- well, let me -- let me just -- make a comment. let me just switch -- i want to read a quote from this -- from the new book about michael wolff regarding mueller's investigation. this is all about money laundering, he chose and rue wiseman and he is a money laundering guy.
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it is as plain as a hair on your face. this is a quote from steve bannon. >> that is devastating. i think accurate and even more devastating is another passage from the book where bannon talks about deutsche bank. i think deutsche bank is the thing that donald trump and jared kushner want least to go into, because back in the 80s and 90s, none of the big -- the new york banks would deal with donald trump. so he used -- he used deutsche bank exclusively. that is where all of his financial transactions goes through as far as we know and if mueller is going through deutsche bank for both kushner and trump, that is very scary. because that -- that's where all -- where all of the -- where all of the money goes, and if there is anything untoward to find, mueller will find it. >> carl, what do you think of the excerpts of the wolff book. >> i think it paints a picture that is very consistent with what all of us have been reporting, maggie said it
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herself, we've seen it in "the new york times" and on cnn and in "the washington post." we've seen it in michael d'antonio's book on and on. this is the real donald trump. and why i talk about this toxicity, because we have never had a president of the united states who reacts to events such as we've seen in the last three days. we've never seen -- these tweets are a road map of donald trump's mind. it is a rather ugly twisted road. >> and -- >> and we keep seeing one indication after another of why it is that in private, as i've been saying here on this air for a long time, that republicans to each other are saying, we doubt this president's stability and yet they won't say it in public. >> jeff. >> well, the tweet yesterday that i found so unbelievably unprecedented and offensive was the one where he basically said, why isn't the justice department putting huma abedin in jail. think about that. think about the president of the united states targeting an individual who is not even under investigation as far as i know, and saying to the justice
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department that he controls that he wants to see this woman in jail. we have never seen that in american history. except perhaps in the alien sedition acts under john adams. that's how far back you have to go back to see -- to see a president abusing his power over the criminal justice system. and i -- carl goes farther than i do in terms of how -- how bad donald trump is. but i think that indicates a level of panic that is really extraordinary. >> donald trump has had a real sense of where a big part of this country is. so i don't denigrate him in that sense. he's had a better sense of where the part of the country is in terms of his base than his opponents have. but i'm talking about his conduct. >> we have to take a break. we appreciate it. coming up, why today's book excerpts have put steve bannon on the list of people that the senate intelligence committee would like to have a word with.
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vice chairman of the senate intelligence committee agrees with steve bannon on the issue that the trump campaign should have told the fbi about the trump tower meeting. bannon, according to a new book
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by michael wolff called the meeting treasonous. i spoke with the senator warner before air. >> according to the new book, steve bannon said the meeting at trump between don trump jr. and paul manafort was treasonous and should have been reported to the fbi immediately. do you agree with that? >> well, i think it's pretty amazing that the president's most senior political adviser through the end of the campaign and for the first few months of his administration made these kind of allegation. the one thing i agree with bannon, i don't see him as a source is that any reasonable persons, when russians come over and offer dirt during the middle of the campaign on your opponent, should have reported that to law enforcement. clearly even the australians understood that because "the new york times" recently reported that mr. papadopoulos and another trump campaign affiliate
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who got offered the same kind of dirt told the australians and when they -- the ambassador saw that the e-mails started to get released. they were smart enough to go to the fbi. so i do agree with mr. bannon on the fact that the participants of that meeting should have revealed that to law enforcement in our country. >> and bannon said the chances that donald trump jr. didn't bring the russians up to his office is zero. is there anything you've seen corroborating that contention or the notion that donald trump jr. may have talked to his father about the content of that meeting? >> mr. bannon makes that allegation, whether it is mueller or our congressional investigation. i would like to get to the bottom of that and find out why he made that allegations and if it is true or not. >> do you want him to testify? bannon? >> i think mr. bannon should testify before us or before mr. mueller. clearly if he's going to make these kind of allegations, i would like to know under what basis. >> and bannon contends that the mueller investigation on money launder saying, their path to
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f'ing trump goes through manafort and kushner and they subpoenaed records saying it goes through deutsche bank and all of the kushner -- [ expletive ] is greasy. they will roll these two guys up and say play me or trade me. is money laundering is something your committee looking at. >> that falls into the criminal investigation. that is the purview of special prosecutor mueller, we are looking at collaboration and collusion and what could arise out of that. but mr. bannon's comments about deutsche bank and others isn't the first time we've heard allegations similar to that coming out of the dossier and there have been other rumors. but again, i'm not going to comment on those until we finish our investigation. >> the founders of fusion gps, wrote an op-ed and said a generation [ inaudible ] by urging the senate watergate
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committee to look at supposed wrongdoing by democrats in previous elections said that is happening again today by the president and his allies focusing on the dossier rather than the russia meddling in our election. >> i agree there is smoke screens in terms of certain members of the house and others attacking the integrity of robert mueller or attacking for that matter the fbi and the justice department. i don't think that does our county long-term good in terms of the faith in our institutions. but i think that underlying basis of the dossier is what the -- is the dossier true or not and robert mueller is look at it and we're trying to sort through that because clearly there are very serious allegations. and one of the things with the gps fusion individuals, i'd like to have them back in to testify, but i'd also like to have them back in to testify before the committee members because people like donald trump jr., jared kushner, michael cohen, mr. trump's lawyer, they have
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testified before my staff, our staff, but not before the members and for that matter not before the public. >> you want the gps founders back to testify publicly. they say that they've -- there is hours of testimony, 21 hours in total and they would like the transcripts released. is that something you would support? >> i think what we have to do is get their story out. that is something that we'll wok through, whether it is -- we don't normally release prior testimony because it might impugn further witnesses from coming forward. but if they have additional story to tell, i think they ought to have a chance to tell it. >> lastly, the deputy attorney general rod rosenstein and chris wray met with speaker ryan. could you tell us anything about that, do you know anything about that? >> it has been -- the house intelligence committee is taking a very different path from the senate committee and the senate committee i'm proud of the fact we've had some bumps but still at this in a bipartisan way and still committed to getting all of the facts and as quickly as possible but doing it in a way that is thorough and complete. so that we could then present our case and more importantly or findings to the american people so they could draw their own conclusions but to make sure it
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never happens again. >> senator warner, i appreciate your time. >> thank you. >> thank you. up next, our dana bash has new reporting on what is fuelling the president's last two days of fury since he returned to washington. fast acting zzzquil liquicaps help you fall asleep fast, like stop staring at the clock fast, like stop worrying about your boss fast, like wow, you're already asleep fast. when life keeps you up... zzzquil helps you fall asleep in as little as 20 minutes.
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more breaking news tonight. we have new details on what has fuelled president trump's last two days of erratic behavior or tweets on everything from north korea and a nuclear button, the russia investigation as well as his reaction to the bannon allegations in the new book we've been talking about tonight. cnn's dana bash has new details and she joins us now. what does your reporting tell you about the president's mind-set as he launched these tweets? >> reporter: the tweets were so over the top and so disruptive on several sensitive national security fronts that i and my colleagues here in washington especially white house producer kevin liptack set out to find out whether or not there was something that specifically set the president off. what sources familiar with the president's thinking told us is that it was largely driven by the idea his behavior was driven by the idea that he is just furious about the russia investigation. specifically, the fact that the
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legal team around him has been telling him that the special counsel investigation was going to be over. here he is, starting 2018 back at the white house and the russia cloud is still very much hanging over him. and that, of course, was exacerbated by the fact he was coming back off a trip to florida over holidays where by all accounts he was really relaxed golfing and in his happy place with his family. >> do we know if his frustration was also connected to what bannon said in his book? was there advanced knowledge of it? >> reporter: the white house was well aware this book was coming. my understanding is they didn't know about the salacious details in it or the things that bannon is quoted as saying on the record, especially about the russia investigation. that, of course, hit a very raw nerve for the president. as i mentioned, he was already and still is already very upset about it. >> obviously publicly, sara huckabee sanders backs up the president's tweets in briefings. is his team trying to manage at all his tweets?
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>> reporter: some are. or at least tried to get the message to the president that some of the things that he's tweeted over the past 24 to 48 hours are not good for american policy. national security in particular, things about north korea and the leader there that he said. and there has been a bit of an attempt to talk to people who may have some influence with the president on the president, especially on national security to convince him that this kind of thing should not be done, that they crossed the line and kind of make him look unstable across the world. unclear if those messages were delivered to the president today. i should note there is no sense of anybody we talked to that the president is going to convince -- to be convinced not to tweet anymore, anderson. >> dana, thanks very much. coming up, we'll have more
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we begin this hour with this. imagine for a moment karl rove kneecapping president george w. bush or david axelrod turning on president obama. neither happened, but this has. steve bannon, campaign ceo, and white house strategist, lashing out in a new book by michael wolff.
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the president calling him a nobody who had little to do with either his administration or election victory. the book is called "fire and fury: inside the trump white house." the white house disputes much of it. some of the sourcing seems opaque. steve bannon, who may have motives of his own and axes to grind, seems to be fully on the record in the book. here's what he said about the trump tower meeting is promising dirt on hillary clinton with jared kushner don junior. quote, the three senior guys in the campaign, thought it was a good idea to meet with a foreign government inside trump tower on the 25th floor with no lawyers? they didn't have any lawyers, even if you thought this was not unpatriotic or treasonous or bad expletive and i happen to think it's all of that, you should have called the fbi immediately. he went on to say "the chance don junior did not walk these jumos up to his father's office