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raising a question loud and clear, is donald trump fit to be president of the united states. >> the president, have you read the book "fire and fury." >> this is extraordinary that a president of the united states would try to stop the publication of a book. >> he has not lost it as he claimed. >> we've got a guy in the white house that is unstable and not fit for office. >> i'm not suggesting that he's not capable of doing the job. i just hope that he'll do it. >> i have recused myself. >> a source close to attorney general jeff sessions says president trump tried to stop sessions from recusing himself from the russia investigation. >> i think that we are in a neighborhood where i hope mueller is looking at this very seriously for obstruction of justice. >> i believe it may be time for him to step aside. >> the attorney general is going to continue showing up to work this week. >> after months of the president clam boring for an investigation into hillary clinton, cnn has now learned that one does exist. >> i think it's very suspicious
that the closer and closer we get to president trump or his inner circle, we see all of these distractions. >> the president is wakes up at camp david this morning for a weekend of really important meetings but there is this explosive new tell all that's threatening to at least overshadow some of those plans. >> yeah, the white house released this photo of the president dining with top republicans last night. they're set to lay out their 2018 strategy today. will the president be able to shake the scathing claims about his administration in the meantime? he did lash out last night slamming the new book as made up, really boring and untruthful and attacking the author as a quote, total loser, but the damage to some degree may be done with some people as his administration is forced to defend the president's fitness for office.
>> we got a guy in the white house that is unstable and not fit for office. >> i've never questioned his mental fitness, i have no reason to question his mental fitness. >> we want to get straight to abbey phillip live in washington for us. republicans have a lot to get done this weekend certainly, but how much a part of their discussions might be what's in this book? >> reporter: well, the president overnight has been spending the last couple of hours and will spend today in meetings with republican congressional leaders and also with members of his cabinet, but while all of this is going on, the president is clearly still focused on this book that he dispatched his lawyers to try to stop from being published. despite that it was published anyway and the revelations are so damaging that the president is still out there attacking its author. he wrote on twitter overnight. michael wolff is a total loser who made up stories in order to sell this really boring and untruthful book.
he used sloppy steve bannon who cried when he got fired. now he's been dumped by almost everyone. too bad. >> the president is referring to the fact that steve bannon has been abandoned by his biggest donors. the mercer family, after the president spoke with rebecca mercer on the phone following some of these revelations about what bannon said about him in the book and also at camp david this weekend is president is spending time with members of his cabinet. one member of his cabinet who is not attending those meetings is jeff sessions, the attorney general, someone who has been in and out of the president's good graces for several months now. the white house pushing back on the assertion that sessions was excluded intentionally saying that not all the cabinet members are invited to participate in these meetings and sessions was just simply not on the agenda as one of the things that they're talking about. this -- these meetings are all about 2018, about the legislative agendaincluding
infrastructure, this border wall and daca and the white house says doj, the department of justice is just simply not one of the things they are planning on talking about this weekend. >> it's not. okay. well, to that point though, in the russia investigation, we have been learning overnight that there were multiple white house officials involved in the effort to pressure attorney general jeff sessions not to recuse himself from the investigation. on the list, we know sean spicer, for instance, and reince priebus, what else are you learning? >> that's right. overnight a senior administration official tells cnn it wasn't just don mcgan who went and talked to jeff sessions about the choice to recuse himself and try to convince him not to do it. it was also sean spicer, the then chief of staff reince priebus who made those requests as well. spicer did respond and said that
the call that he made over to sessions' office was about the conference call, not about this issue of the recusal. let me read you a little bit of the response here. he said for eight months the narrative was that i was out of the loop and now i'm part of it? i don't think so. so spicer pushing back on the suggestion that he was part of an effort to get sessions to stay on top of this case, however, this story is clearly not going away. >> all right. abby phillip, so appreciate the reporting. thank you. here to discuss, good morning to you. >> let me read from a bit of fire and fury here. i have been working through this and i want to read from the author's notes here and we can put it up on the screen. sometimes i have let the players offer their versions in turn allowing the reader to judge them. in other instances i have through a consistency and accounts and through sources i
have come to trust settled on a version of events i believe to be true. so steven, first to you, i mean, it's fair to question the accuracy here of the author saying well, some of this is just what i think. >> that's true. and that's been seized upon by the white house and president trump's allies as they try and hit back against michael wolff in this book, but at the same time, gathering facts and interviews and arriving at a version of events that you believe to be true is in some way the essence of journalism as well but it certainly opens up avenues for the white house to try and debunk the credibility of this account and that's what they're doing. and they're also at the same time really going hard after steve bannon. you saw in that tweet from the president last night. so we've got a double pronged attack here. what the president is trying to do it seems is destroy steve bannon as a political force in the republican party. it's an epic showdown and i
think it's something that we haven't seen. it's difficult to think of a parallel between a strategist and a staffer who leaves the administration having this open confrontation with the president who he once served. >> there was a washington post reporter that tweeted out a page of the book that suggested that he was at breakfast at the four seasons with members of the trump family and later tweeted that actually it was a lobbyist with a similar name who was there. some of the -- as some could i guess describe it as sloppiness, there are, as i read through a couple of words missing in sentences, improper tense. was this rushed and does it lead to the question of credibility overall? >> you know, i'm not here to be a defender of the book and there may be some credibility issues and i've heard them back and forth on various shows, but let me just sort of put this out there. a lot of the facts in the book seem to be corroborated by
things that we've learned before. and so for instance, we're talking about whether or not don mcgan was sent to try to kill off sessions' attempt to recuse himself. that seems to be in pattern with what the president did when he got rid of comey and that is to try to have some influence as this russia investigation moved forward. he wanted to make sure his man was in place. he wanted some amount of loyalty. if we take parts of it out i think you can find there are various pieces of the book. i've not read the book, but certainly from the excerpts i've seen it's being corroborated by other things we've seen in the news and that tells you something. when things start to happen, some smoke and you usually know there's fire there to back some of it up. there are tape recordings. if there are tapes out there certainly that will come to be, but another thing you can look at too, is this is a case of the kicked dog barking and that is if you can tell from trump's tweets that something's gotten under his skin and experience tells me that people don't carry on like that and don't make these wild outlandish tweets like he did apparently early in
the morning unless something there that's caused to jump a little bit. >> i want to move on to what you just mentioned, this attempt to pressure attorney general jeff sessions not to recuse himself from the russia investigation in just a moment, but walter, i want to come to you on this element of the book and not the book itself but the white house's reaction to some of the claims made and the publishing of it. we saw those two cease and desist letters go out earlier this week. what's the line here and has the president crossed it here from the perspective of your former position and your advice to the white house on trying to tamp down this book. >> well, this is straight out of the white house play book is to bluster, discredit, question, threaten, whatever it takes. in the end they're just drauing more attention to the book. i don't think any of the conduct they're engaging in right now actually violates any of the ethics rules. it's not something that the ethics rules would cover that somebody would object to a book
about them that someone else wrote. he's going to cause its sales to go through the roof. unfortunately for him though, whatever the ultimate conclusion is about the veracity of any individual passage in the book, it furthers a narrative that's already out there. he's already given us ample everyday through his strange tweeting about buttons and the court of st. james and sloppy steve, that this is an individual who at a minimum doesn't behave like presidents behave, but he's raising the kind of questions that would pretty much lead any family to sit down and have a conversation about an elderly family member about where they are at this point with this kind of behavior. >> let's talk about the new reporting that in addition to white house counsel which we learned earlier in the week, former press secretary sean spicer and the former chief of staff reince priebus were part of an effort to convince jeff
sessions not to recuse himself from the russia investigation and because i have a former u.s. attorney and i want to split this to a question of ethics and a question of illegality and let me stay with you, walter. the question of ethics here to send the white house staff to try to pressure the attorney general. >> the president is not strictly covered by most of the ethics rules. certainly don mcgan and others are. i'm not sure that there's a specific ethics rule being violated here. what we do have though is a violation of the principle that pret pretty much every president has honored that there needs to be a separation between the white house and the department of justice. and this type of interference is just astonishing. what really sends me through the roof is the fact that there's no question that jeff sessions needed to recuse. he was legally required to recuse. and you have the president's chief law enforcement officer,
the counsel of president, his top advisor on legal matters who's supposed to be reigning in his worst impulses going out there and actually pressuring the attorney general to violate one of the laws he has sworn to uphold. to me that's just astonishing. and the fact that he was trying to bully white house -- department of justice officials and we're now hearing it wasn't just mcgan, just the missing piece of the puzzle for me, because i thought they seemed rattled when i was trying to tell them he needed to recuse and i couldn't figure out why. >> and questions to you, questions of illegality in the context of this obstruction of justice investigation. >> i think one mistake that we make as we're looking as we make these things unfold, we're looking to find out the one particular act that would prove obstruction of justice, but none of this is happening in a vacuum and really what we're looking at is the accumulative effect trump
has taken to try to influence the investigation and that's where we start talking about obstruction. now, what's the -- what are they trying to cover up? that's probably in his tax records and we're probably going to find out at some point that we're talking about russian money, but what he's done by getting rid of jim comey or by asking sessions to step aside, the president has great latitude. nobody questions that. it's the cumulative effect of doing these things. is one particular act on its own, on its face purely illegal? i don't know that there would be enough to prove that at this point. but when you look at all of it together, and you look at what the intent was and what the purpose was behind those acts, and i think probably bob mueller already has some of that information, i think you get closer to an obstruction case. >> stephen, finally with you, what the president wanted here, protection, comparing his relationship with what he wanted from jeff sessions, what from his perspective president trump got from eric holder or the
president believed jfk got from his brother, protection. >> that's right and that's been a theme throughout this presidency and it raises questions about whether the president understands completely the ideal relationship between the white house and the department of justice. the department of justice is there to administer the law, to be faithful to the constitution, not necessarily to protect the president himself in a personal capacity. we've seen that the president has said he wishes he could wield more influence over the department of justice. on another occasion he said he had the absolute right to do what he wanted. so that does raise questions, all these issues about the sessions recusal, the fbi investigations, now the investigation into the clinton foundation are going to raise all these questions of whether the president is keeping the right distance between himself and the neutral and independent administration of justice.
>> all right. thank you all. >> thanks. >> well, the president has called for it over and over again and now a u.s. official says the fbi is investigating the clinton foundation for allegations of corruption. >> plus, landmark talks between north and south korea just a few days away. could this be a sign that their relationship is thawing now? >> could the u.s. relationship with north korea be next? make something for dinner.
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that's now open to u.s. officials. several authorities are looking at the clinton foundation specifically. they're looking into whether donors were promised special access to hillary clinton while she was secretary of state. cnn white house correspondent abby phillips back with us as well as cnn reporter. i want to start with you, stephen. what prompted this latest investigation? this is an investigation that had been looked into, people thought it was over before the 2016 election. is there new information that has come to light? >> we don't know exactly if there's any new evidence that has come to light to suggest that this -- the reason why this investigation was opened. it's being conducted by the fbi out of their arkansas office. cnn was reporting about this preliminary probe into the clinton foundation so the fbi does have the ability to reopen an investigation that has been
shut down if some new evidence emerges but it's not clear exactly if that's the case and that of course all sorts of accusations given the president's rhetoric on the score. the reason the investigation has been opened is for political considerations, and when you have this kind of men tear flying around by the president and his subordinates that the clintons should be investigated, any investigation and we don't know if this is done for political reasons. >> it's a very good point and on that point, abby phillip, is there any indication we're going to hear from the white house regarding this new investigation? >> no, it's not clear at all that we'll hear from the white house and in fact, it would be rather unusual for the white house to comment on this whatsoever. in part because usually we don't even know that investigations are underway. i mean, one of the things about the justice department is that
typically ongoing investigations are kept quiet and that's been the exception when it comes to the clinton related investigation that those have often been in the news, leading to some of these calls as stephen mentioned that the entire thing is politicized in nature. we're sitting here talking about it on the news and as you know, the president is an avid watcher of cable television. he reads, you know, the front pages of the newspapers and undoubtedly he is going to be seeing some of this coverage and we can't predict what he's going to say on his twitter feed and he's clearly been tweeting this morning quite a bit. >> he has, yes. is there any indication or would you suspect that the clintons will be interviewed or that they would -- or that the fbi will want to talk to the clintons again? >> i mean, i think there's some way from that. this is a preliminary investigation which i understand it which is how they would decide whether it's necessary to go further, but i think what it
shows this whole episode is one of the legacies of the 2016 election campaign is now only becoming clearer and it's the way in which the fbi and the justice department was sucked into the politics, and whenever you get to a situation when that happens, that raises a lot of questions. i mean, we're getting to the point now where people don't believe on both sides of the political spectrum that investigation is warranted or is independent unless they agree with the politics of the people that are conducting the investigation and when you get to that point in a democratic society, you're in quite a lot of trouble. >> so abby, let me ask you, is there anything from the prior investigation before it kind of fizzled out and went away, was there any stone left unturned? were there any question marks left at the end that still need to be answered? >> well, it's a little unclear. one of the things that we know
they're possibly looking into is whether there were any special favors given to donors. policy favors in exchange for donations to the foundation. now, one of the reasons this is a little bit of a black box here is because we don't know how far down the road they got. and now that we're back in a position where we're hearing about this investigation, it's unclear what prompted them to sort of restart it or reopen the active inquiry, whether it's new information or whether they're simply going back over old things and also parallel to all of this is the open question of how much, if any, political influence is being affected here. the president has been talking about this as you pointed out so often on social media, it's been very public. we don't know whether this has been private pressure as well, but if it has been, that's one of the questions a lot of people have. is this investigation back
because the president wants it to be. >> but how likely is it that the fbi would open an investigation that they have looked at before and it seems to have been closed out. >> i don't think it's likely unless there's something very nefarious happening and it was coming right from the top of the justice department. there's actually no indication at all that that is the case. so it doesn't seem very likely at all, but that is the fact -- the question is out there gets to the splitization and that's why it's such a -- sort of -- you're really getting to a legal and a political mess and it's going to take a lot of -- a long time to get through it. >> i want to ask you quickly what i asked abby. do you are ecall anything in
this investigation the first time around that may have been a question mark that is still out there, that wasn't answered, that truly closed this case once and for all. >> since you don't know exactly what the investigation turned up, it's difficult to say there was a lot of people on the republican side conservative activists who have long said there are serious ethical questions about the sort of nexus between the clinton foundation and hillary clinton's position as secretary of state. the debate at the start of the obama administration when secretary clinton was chosen to be the chief u.s. diplomat and those questions have been rumbling. it was an undercurrent of the 2016 election campaign, conservative enemies of hillary clinton. but we just don't know exactly what was uncovered in that first
preliminary investigation, why there was grounds to reopen it. >> we know that spokesman for the foundation has come out and said look, this is just a sham, this investigation. any indication of how the foundation itself has been affected by this? >> well, toward the end of the 2016 election, the clinton foundation actually really shrunk dramatically in size and in scope in anticipation that hillary clinton rwas likely to win but also in their mission, despite the fact that they said this foundation is a charitable foundation that's done all of this good work, they shrunk the largest part of the foundation. they shut down the clinton global initiative which was that conference in new york city that bill clinton would preside over every year, bringing world leaders from all over the world and so the clinton foundation right now is already kind of a shell of what it once was, and i think that this -- this -- being
in the news again is only going to make that issue worse for what remains of that institution. >> all right. thank you so much for your perspectives and the information. new this morning south korea says it has spoken by phone with north korean officials again. seoul has given pyongyang a list of delegates who will attend the talks on tuesday. this will be the first high level face to face discussion between north and south in two years. now, the question is could this pave the way for a future sitdown with the united states? cnn spoke exclusively with rex tillerson. he says still too early to tell. >> some are speculating this this may be their first effort to open a channel, but as you know, we've had channels open to north korea for some time and so they do know how to reach us if and when they're ready to engage with us as well. >> well, secretary tillerson is
also now the latest trump administration official to condemn the iranian government. he tells cnn the white house backs iranian protesters and calls for a peaceful transition of power. the secretary says the u.s. is also considering additional sanctions on iran if they do not change their behavior. maryland congressman elijah cummings has been hospitalized. he has a become tier yal infection in his knee. he's being treated at john hopkins hospital in baltimore. we don't know yet what caused the infection. they've not made that announcement but we know also that cummings wife announced that she is suspending her campaign for governor of maryland due to personal considerations. she was one of several candidates trying to unseat the republican governor larry hogan. the fire and fury author got his information from sources that don't exist, some say.
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right now. so good to have you with us. >> good morning to you. lies, phony, untruthful. that's what we're hearing from the president in describing this explosive tell all book by michael wolff. in his latest tweet the president is calling wolff a total loser. we'll read a few in just a moment that you have to hear from the president. and he's claiming also that sloppy steve bannon cried when he got fired and begged for his job. >> now, this is all coming after wolff's claim that people around
president trump question his fitness for office and that's what the president is talking about this morning. the new yorker had this cartoon. take a look at it. those are copies of fire and fury raining down on the white house in between it looks like snow flakes, so you know, we know that people up in the northeast, they're dealing with it, but they err making the point that the white house is dealing with something completely different and this morning the president is tweeting about it. >> let's bring in our cnn presidential historian and timothy, in just the last few minutes the president has sent out some remarkable tweets and i just have to read them, because i almost can't believe them. now that russian collusion after one year of intense study has proven to be a total hoax on the american public, the democrats and their lap dogs, the fake news main stream media are taking out the old ronald reagan play book and screaming mental stability and intelligence.
>> actually, he goes on to say, throughout hi life, my two greatest assets have been mental stability and being like really smart. >> and he literally writes like really smart. >> like really smart. crooked hillary clinton also played these cards very hard and as everyone knows wentz down in flames. i went from very successful businessman to top tv star to president of the united states on my first try. i think that would qualify as not smart, but genius and a very stable genius at that. >> the president says he's like really smart. >> timothy. your reaction. >> well, i -- don't you remember in elementary school and high school that if your parents didn't tell you this, your teachers did, that people who repeat things about themselves are not always to be believed. i find it bizarre that the president of the united states needs to tell us that he's
smart. after all, we determine -- i say we, i'm talking about presidential historians, we evaluate presidents by their conduct, by their actions, by their legislative achievements, by the way in which they conduct foreign policy and keep us safe. let others tell you you're smart. you don't have to tell us that you're smart. this shows as a number of -- many people have been noting in the last couple of days that this book has gotten under the president's skin. what i find remarkable is that a pro shouldn't show that something gets under their skin. the president is very, very emotional at this point and i don't understand why he thinks it's in his interest to show that. >> so talk to us -- you've got a quote that you want to read from the book and i want to talk about the book that started this whole thing, "fire and fury." >> the access is what i'd like you to address here. he writes i saw a level of formal access. the president himself encouraged
the idea but given the many thieves that came there seem to be no one person to make this happen. equally there was no one to say go away. hence i became more a constant interloper than an invited guest, something quite close to an actual fly on the wall having accepted no rules nor having made any promises object whabou might or might not write. is that typically the degree of access that he can plop down on a sofa and get whatever he wants? >> no. and in fact, bob woodward created a model for delivering or writing what one would call the first draft of history of administrations. for the clinton that's bill clinton and george w. bush and finally the obama administrations, bob woodward was given various levels of access. and he was able to talk to presidents, he was able to talk to their closest advisors and as a result of he produced books which gave us a sense, a tick
tock of the internal workings of those administrations. somebody very high up made the decision to let him come in. it looks initially from wolff's reporting and the way in which the trump administration is handling the wolff book, that the trump team is so unorganized that there didn't have been to be a checkoff by the guy at the top for wolff to be walking around the oval offers. that's amazing. >> michael wolff was interviewed by the bbc overnight and i want to review something that he said because i don't think we have the sound ready here, but he said one of the interesting effects of this book so far is a very clear emperor has no close effect. the story i i've told presents the presidency in such a way he can't do his job and people everywhere are going oh my god, he has no clothes and that's the background that will finally end
this, that will end this presidency. it sounds as though he is saying this book will end the presidency of donald trump. do you believe this book has the power to do so? >> no. i don't believe any -- well, look, our -- our system of government is set up such that it is very difficult to change the president and that's what our founders wanted. i don't believe one book -- i don't believe one piece of evidence, really, with the exception of the smoking gun transcript of -- that came out in 1974, that one piece of evidence can overturn an administration. what this book does is it adds more pieces to the puzzle. and remember, it's just -- it's just a book and it's a book based on sources of various power and credibility. but it doesn't -- what makes it so powerful, i believe, is that it's confirming pieces of evidence that actually have come
from the president's own tweets. the ranting, the thin skinness, the obsession with comey, the unwillingness to deal with the truth of the hacking issue, let alone the question of collusion. all of that we've seen before. what wolff has done, it seems, from the excerpts, i haven't read the book yet, has pulled this together into a very damning portrait but it's just a book. we have more evidence to see. we have mueller's investigation that's going to produce real evidence in addition to things that have been, you know, sourced by a journalist, however strong or good a journalist wolff might be. so i see this as more very important pieces to the puzzle but they're just pieces. we have a lot more to learn. >> and we should point out there are a lot of pieces to this puzzle in the book that people have come out and disputed and said just are not true. >> yeah. >> including washington post journalists and whatnot so just to be fair there.
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rescinded an obama care policy that erased enforcement of federal marijuana laws. this is after california started this year with the legalization of recreational marijuana use. >> this is a family company. >> it is. >> nine members of your family. >> three generations. >> andy williams owns a growing marijuana enterprise, a business that exists because colorado legalized pot and because of a handful of obama era memos. >> we would not be here without president obama right now. >> the obama administration never changed the law but essentially told colorado that it would look the other way. but this week attorney general jeff sessions wrote his own memo to u.s. attorneys rescinding those guidelines and putting the multibillion dollar marijuana industry back into a legal gray area. >> i had an employee come up to me today worried about her job. i have investors saying what's
going to happen with our investment? >> can news was called extremely alarming and accused sessions of going back on his word. sessions deputy didn't offer much clarity. >> what the attorney general has done is simply to say that the department of justice has full discretion to enforce the law. >> reporter: those decisions will be left to u.s. attorneys, like colorado's bob troyer who promised there will be no changes in enforcement. in conservative leaning greeley, he likes sessions law & order approach but he is in no rush to crack down. >> i've got more things more important for my officers to be doing than chasing this guy down with a joint. i don't have enough time to be federal drug agents. >> we didn't have any warning that it was coming. >> the news came out of the blue for colorado's attorney, for now she says the status quo will
remain but maybe not forever. >> it's not the hands of the state attorney general. it's in the hands of the u.s. attorney general. >> she's promised to defend the growers and dispensaries that make up the industry even in court, but she can't guarantee the outcome. >> these folks didn't go into business with marijuana lightly, i don't think, or without the realization that things could change. but the reality of it is still a shock. >> andy williams agrees, but despite the news, he's not bracing for impact. he's planning for expansion. >> if you don't have a high risk tolerance in this industry, you probably shouldn't be in it. >> cnn, denver, colorado. and when we come back, a trial lawyer who authored the arkansas marijuana amendment that was approved by the voter last november is with us talking about this controversy.
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as well as trial attorney david crouch. he's a board member of the arkansas medical marijuana association which is dedicated to protecting and promoting medical marijuana in arkansas. with that said, david, your reaction to what's happened in the last 48 hours? >> well, you know, i think that it's really interesting what jeff sessions did. he's really attacking more of the recreational marijuana states than the medical marijuana states. i think that it really -- if arkansas were a recreational state it would be more important because of the rule it allows to us do medical marijuana. but there are several u.s. district attorneys in all of the states, so you could have conflicting results in each state. conflicting tax work revisions. i think it's important a horrible thing that he's done because he's removed this federal overview of consistent
policy within the united states. >> so with that, there is the intention of this jack, president trump vowed to overturn the legislation on it. he didn't put parameters on it. is this really about marijuana or erasing obama's legacy? >> i do believe -- >> that's to jack, i'm sorry, go ahead, jack. >> i think it's more about enforcing existing laws. we as republicans often complain that daca was a prerogative of congress, not the executive branch. and now it's interesting that so many republicans are pushing back on this. and yet, we have been the party saying the legislative branch can cause the laws. the legislative branch makes the laws. david is right that the 29 states that have medical marijuana are actually protected under a federal law called the doctrine of blumenthal amendment
which expires february 19th. under the rule daca amendment, they ought to take a look at the eight states that have recreational laws. >> but the president, i believe as a candidate came out in an interview saying i believe it should be up to the states. so, how do you reconcile what jeff sessions has done with what president trump has said in the past about this because they don't match, jack. >> i agree they don't match. and the president isn't the first politician to not have a completely consistent policy that matches campaign rhetoric. but jeff sessions' position is his job is to enforce the law. and he plans to enforce the law, of president obama, even the 2013 memo did have exemptions in terms of hus attorn s of u.s. a into marijuana-related crime. and there were some exceptions to that. but i think what a.g. sessions is saying, look, congress has to
make these changes, just like with da car and i think it's the right approach. >> so, david, there are a lost of people thinking can i go buy marijuana in my state. is it legal? to that you say what? >> well, it's always been illegal federally. and the sessions memory gave some comfort level to businesses that they were not going to be raided overnight. the federal government still has the right to enforce federal laws but i think the problem with jeff sessions in removing this memo is that it gave businesses protection. it prioritized. we should be looking at terrorism and things like that and not picking on a certain boutique industry. but i think one thing that jeff sessions' memo has done and will do is that a lot of republicans that were on the fence about this issue, especially in western states and states with medical marijuana like arkansas,
all six are republicans. i think the fact that he's lit a brush fire on this issue and it's going to cause congress to be forced to do so. i think the important thing in this state, it's going to cause the issue to be resolved in congress sooner or later. >> it's going to be interesting. it's a billion-dollar industry in colorado alone. and you look at there are finite resources in the doj. gentlemen, we've run out of time. thank you for being here. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> we'll be right back. now i have nicoderm cq. the nicoderm cq patch with unique extended release technology helps prevent your urge to smoke all day. it's the best thing that ever happened to me. every great why needs a great how. you can feel safe for only $49.00. that includes security panel, keypad, key fob, entry and motion sensors and for a limited time, get a camera included and installed at no additional cost.
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