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hi there. i'm brianna keilar in for kate bolduan. we begin with breaking news, oprah winfrey, quote, actively thinking about running for president, according to sources close to the media mogul speaking to cnn. winfrey's powerful speech at the golden globes last night sparked widespread calls for a 2020 bid. she fired up the room with her declarations a new day is on the way for women. check it out. >> what i know for sure is that speaking your truth is the most powerful tool we all have.
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and i'm especially proud and inspired by all of the women who have felt strong enough and empowered enough to speak up and share their personal stories. each of us in this room, are celebrated because of the stories that we tell and this year, we became the story. for too long, women have not been heard or believed if they dared to speak their truth to the power of those men but their time is up. i want all the girls watching here and now to know that a new day is on the horizon. [ applause ] and when that new day finally dawns, it will be because of a lot of magnificent women, many of whom are right here in this
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room tonight, and some pretty phenomenal men! fighting hard to make sure that they become the leaders who take us to the time when nobody ever has to say "me too" again. >> cnn's senior media correspondent brian stelter, the host of "reliable sources" with us now. you have new report on where oprah's head is in all of this. >> yeah. some of her close friends have. urging her to run for president to really take this possibility seriously. these conversations have been going on for at least several months, and i'm told by these sources that oprah is actively thinking about the possibility, not that she's made up her mind and certainly lots of people think about running for president and don't, but it is significant to know that she's taking this idea seriously and that her friends are urging her to take this on. you know, in the speech at the
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golden globes, oprah winfrey did not mention president trump by name but there were several moments where she alluded to trump and other powerful men. she is someone who is said to be motivated and energized by the trump presidency, perhaps thinking about her place in history and how to respond to the trump presidency. so, that's what we know for sure, that yes, she's thinking about this, she hasn't made up her mind. i've reached out to oprah winfrey's pr people for comment they have not responded. they're letting the speech speak for itself. we've seen this speech go viral overnight. transcripts and videos of the speech being shared over social media. some of her fans hoping she will run for president for 2020. it is easier said than done. we don't know who her political advisors could be, if she's thinking about fund-raising and issues like that, but she is a -- she has a lot of fame, fortune, someone that would certainly be a contender if she
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decides to take -- to seek the democratic nomination. >> all right. brian, stay with us. want to bring in april ryan and chris cillizza, politics editor at large. april as you hear brian saying questions of who would her political advisors be, where might the funding come from, are those the kind of things you think would maybe take care of themselves if she's interested in this? do you think that the political community would be receptive to an oprah run? >> wreell, that's the question. oprah winfrey is no novice to this. she has been around politics for a very long time. she's been around politics locally in various places from tennessee, nashville to baltimore, to, you know -- and on the national level, chicago, and on the national level. she's also worked with president
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barack obama behind the scenes on different issues. oprah winfrey knows the players. but the issue is, and someone who is very close and knows oprah and knows the situation said to me, you know, yeah, she could definitely win. she would be outstanding. but the question is, would this current environment really be something she would want to tackle. this is a new environment and that's the issue more so than getting political backers or reaching out to people, funders, that's not the issue. the issue is the climate and does she want to do that. that's the issue. >> what do you think? what did you think of the speech? >> so, the speech, i guess i was a little taken aback in how -- you could close your eyes and imagine that speech being given in iowa, let's say, right. >> sure. >> or as a campaign kickoff. that's not to say that was.
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but you could close your eyes, there's going to be a moment when --s. >> crescendoed into it. >> she's speaking to hollywood. she's not speaking to iowa. but still that messaging right now very powerful. what i thought of this speech, oprah is oprah for a reason. okay. she doesn't -- this is not someone who blunders into things. this is not someone who doesn't think of what her words and her actions will mean. it doesn't surprise me at all, although i'm glad we have it first that brian reported and oprah saying she's actively interested or thinking about it. you don't give a speech like that in that moment with those expectations unless you know that there's going to be some talk of it. i think before we get to political advisors we get to that stuff, i don't know if it takes care of itself what you need at root is this something that she wants to do. she has said many times in the past, she's not interested in public life. i would say, trump has changed
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lots of things, including, i think, who thinks of themselves as someone who could be president? oprah in the past said i don't have any experience in politics. well neither does the guy currently the president. >> you don't need it to win. >> i think that changes the calculation, not just -- you know, who thinks they might be running, whether that's her or not we'll see, but she will have to say i think something more because this will not go away, given the cultural figure she is. >> sure. >> and the fact that donald trump is in the white house. >> brian, i'm struck by her long-time -- >> go on, april. >> i was going to say going to chris's statement, oprah is very keenly aware of moments. she was getting the cecil b. demille award last night. she played upon the moment and understand those moments are history making. she wasn't just going to walk out and say something, you know, like when she was at the oscars, she makes sure she stands at the moment and her words are strategic and reverberate.
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that was a soaring speech, presidential speech, that grabbed the entire crowd, black, white, jew, protestant, catholic, men and women, and she was soaring and she saw the moment as the problem. she saw the victim, she saw the possibilities of hope and a better day and she used herself as also an example talking about her mother was a victim. she was every person in this. this is what is lacking, i guess, in the last year and people stood up because they felt it again. and those moments aren't wasted on an oprah winfrey. oprah winfrey has a moment that really could catapult her into the stratosphere of politics. this is -- it's not -- this is one of those defining moments. she makes moments everywhere but this is one of those moments that could be her defining moment to possibly run for president. >> brian, it struck me that stedman, her long-time partner, who he's a pretty disciplined
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person but he put it out there that this was on her mind. how do you read that? >> yes. the quote to the l."l.a. times" it's up to the people. she would absolutely do it. she would run if the people want her to. that is a news worthy quote there in and of itself. you layer on top of that, these friends who are urging her to run and it makes me wonder what gayle king is going to say. gayle her best friend a host on cbs, she was not on the air this morning but she will be on the air tomorrow morning. she will be asked about this. the last time gayle and oprah talked about this on tv oprah said, quote, there will be no running for office of any kind for me. i think we've all seen the games that will normal politicians play, denying and running until they decide to run. oprah winfrey not a politician, might be looking at this differently, but i think we have to view this possibility, only a possibility, in the context of
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the movement of women trying to run for office in 2018. that last year started with the women's march, now there's a record number of women, mostly democrats, running for office as a response to president trump, and you'll wonder if oprah winfrey sees herself as a part of that, possibly as a part of that movement to bring more women into office across the country. >> i wonder, can i ask you, because i think of donald trump trying to break in and certainly i think he's a more controversial figure with his language than oprah, trying to break into this political club he managed to kind of pry the door open, how is the democratic -- >> knocked the door down. >> how is the democratic political machine, let's see if this is a real consideration of oprah's, all of these dems who are jockeying for position for 2020, what are they going to say if oprah seems like she might really get in? >> they're not going to be happy about it because she brings for the political -- the lack of political experience, which it didn't matter in trump's case,
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broadly i think it helps if you've been there before. it's like being a playoff team in the nfl. it helps if you've made the playoffs before. if you haven't it's not determinative. but if you were someone who was a senator or a member of congress or a governor who is looking at this, she's just a culturally large figure. she is someone who everyone -- >> no, no, no. >> april? >> chris, no. >> i'm sorry. i'm sorry. chris, this is a person -- she's not just a cultural person. i understand you say that donald trump doesn't have any governance experience, she doesn't either, but guess what, just like you, just like brian, just like me, we are reporters. she was a reporter, she was an anchor, she knows issues. >> in baltimore. >> she knows the basics. in baltimore, in nashville, and, you know, i was -- i was a kid when she was here. so i mean, she understand the
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dynamics of different issues. >> isn't it a different than knowing the levers of government? >> leaders and politics. excuse me. >> april, i'm not arguing with you there. i'm saying that struggle if you're a normal politician who is in office is significant. yes, knowing the issues is one thing, but running in your own right is different. i think it is. but i think that would be a challenge for lots of people running against her because she's just a different -- in the same way that jeb bush struggled with donald trump because donald trump was not governed by the same rules that jeb bush was playing under. >> oprah winfrey know house to perform on television, she knows how to stand out on television. after all she hosted the best known daytime talk show in america for decades. i would just add to this, remember oprah is not going to be the only name that comes um like this. today we're talking about winfrey because of the golden globes other stars and celebrities will try to put their hat in the ring, mark
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cuban, howard schultz at starbucks, who knows what other a-listers will think about the same idea. it will be a crowded playing field. >> quick final word, april. >> and i think everyone, chris and brian are hitting it, the goal posts have been moved. we are now as a nation we're not just looking for a politician, we're looking for a rock star. once barack obama left, i knew there with was going to be a rock star because no one else could fill the position. we're not just looking for a politician, we're looking for someone who has got that "it" factor. oprah has that. and we've spun out of politics and now looking for excitement as well as our politics. so we have to remember that the goal post has been forever moved. not just about a politician. the standard politicians have to bring something else to the table for people to say wow, i'm going to throw it all behind you and stand by you, ride or die. this is a different day. and i think that's why we are so into this oprah-esque
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possibility of being running for president and i will remind you, the first black woman to ever run for president in 1972, was the late great shirley chisholm. see what happens here. >> thank you to all of you. coming up, white house officials are out in full force to defend the president's mental health. that's after his tweet calling himself a very stable genius. will president trump meet with special counsel robert mueller. the president appears to have opened the door to sitting down for an interview. we will dig into possible legal strategies for the white house. cancer challenges us. to find smarter solutions. to offer more precise and less invasive treatment options than before. like advanced genomic testing and immunotherapy.
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now to the trump white house launching a full throated condemnation of "fire and fury" and one of the more scathing claims in the book that 100% of the people around the president question his intelligence and fitness for office. trump allies dismissing the book as trash, garbage and a work of
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fiction. the president also pushing back with the somewhat awkward declarations he's, quote, a very stable genius. the white house offensive keeping the debate alive much to the gle of the president's detractors. abby philip at the white house. a lot of administrations would ignore a book like this, don't want give fuel to the fire, but this is sort of true president trump fashion that he and his aides are confronting it head-on. >> that's right. not this president. when he is attacked he fires back. he had not only his aides out there but he went on social media and as you pointed out defended his own sanity as a result of some of the questions raised by this book. but over the weekend a slew of aides had to go on television to really push back on the notion that the president was unprepared for the job, that perhaps he was, you know, his mental state was deteriorating, and you heard strong words from a white house aide stephen miller on cnn yesterday talking
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directly about the underlying notion of this book and really trying to hammer home the president's point of view that there is nothing of truth in the account from michael wolff. take a listen. >> the book is best understood as a work of very poorly written fiction and i also will say that the author is a garbage author of a garbage book. the tragic thing about this book and there are many things about it that are unfortunate, but the proper trail of the president in the book is so contrary to reality, to the experience of those who work with him, to my own experience having spent the last two years with him. >> those comments there definitely aimed at an audience of one and the president was clearly watching. he responded praising miller's performance on twitter shortly after that aired. p brianna. >> tell us about the report that president's schedule is shrinking. >> this report from axios
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showing according to documents they received the private schedule of the president of the united states shows that he has an extended period of time in the morning from around 8:00 a.m. to 11:00 a.m. labeled executive time, but axios is reporting that time is, in fact, dedicated to the president watching morning television, which he often does and tweets as we can see in the public and makes calls to friends and confidants. it's important to note that many presidents come up to the west wing from the residents around 9:00 or 10:00 in the morning and that it is possible for the president to make the calls that he needs to make in the job well into the morning from the residence. that being said the white house's pushback over the last couple weeks about this notion that president trump is watching large amounts of television, this reporting seems to indicate that time is not just being spent throughout the day but carved out in his official schedule and being labeled as this executive time.
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it's quite extraordinary. >> thank you for that report. doug higher, former communications director for the republican national committee with us, along with rick santorum, political commentator and former republican senator from pennsylvania, angela rye joining us, political commentator and former director of the congressional black caucus. senator, this idea of executive time that hours of time could be carved out for the president so that he can do something which i mean we knew he did -- we knew he was obsessing over television and he does a lot of tweeting, but what does that tell you? that he's getting this time blocked out. >> every president has time, down time, or time just for him to be able to, as was mentioned by abby, talk to people, i know talking to several members of congress he does stay in frequent -- more than i've ever heard of a president in talking to members of congress, developing relationships there, so to suggest that's all just tv
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time i think is probably overstating the case. yeah, clearly the president watches television. i don't think there's any question about that. >> this is different. this is -- i mean you can see that this is different from other presidents? >> no. i would suggest that most of the time presidents spend a lot of that time up in their residence doing that, you know, more informal activities. the fact that he does it in the oval i don't think is big deal. >> apparently not in the oval. apparently it is in the residence and blocked out. >> either way. i don't think it's a big deal. >> doug? >> look, we knew that donald trump was going to approach this presidency differently than barack obama or either george bush or bill clinton. this is part of what we're seeing. what we see in how he tweets and consumes news and dominates an propels news cycles forward. i don't think this should be be a surprise to anyone. for donald trump's detractors would you rather have him watching tv or getting into policies you don't like. >> angela, what do you think? >> well, i think that this goes to what we all have been talking
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about all morning and i think certainly since yesterday's sunday programming that is the president's mental fitness. i remember bringing the same issue up on this very program, brianna, you were not filling in that day, talking about whether or not trump was actually capable of serving as the president. i still ask that same question. if we have to undergo character fitness exams for being able to pass the bar -- >> on the issue of executive time you find that disqualify something. >> i find it disconcerting and hard to understand that someone who is a working professional would need three hours in the morning to do whatever. if he needs down time here's how i suggest he use it. put down the remote, put down your phone and stay off of twitter. put down other things besides human beings, put down everything that you're doing to make this office a disgrace. that's what he should do in down time. >> this is the kind of -- i
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think disqualifying commentary from the left which is the president -- >> that's not disqualifying because you don't like it. >> what you're saying is whatever the president does it's wrong. >> that's not what i said. >> because it fits into what he's been doing. look, this is -- the president has a right to have down time to do whatever he wants to do. >> three hours during a work day. >> of course. i mean -- >> come on. >> i don't know if you know but the presidency is a pretty stressful office. >> i don't know if you know it but you don't -- >> watch television or to confer with people is perfectly fine. >> yeah. >> former senator santorum, let me -- excuse me, former senator santorum, let me give you also a recommendation. speaking of down, what you should not do is talk down to another fellow commentator on the same network. you don't have to agree with my commentary at all but it is not disqualifying because i disagree with you and it is disqualifying if there's any working
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professional that spends the first three hours of the work day spending time relaxing when they need to get abreast of foreign policy issues domestic policy issues making sure they can manage their team instead of them wreaking havoc all over the country, i don't think it's right for you to talk down to a fellow xlen tater because you don't like what i said. >> i wasn't talking down to you. i was talking down to the comments you made. >> i disagree with that. >> having executive time as was suggested is not nap time. the president's allowed to have his own time to do things that he believes are important for his presidency and i don't think we should be questioning him. >> i want to ask you, doug, about the tweets from the president. hisses tweets always get attention but this weekend they got a lot. check this out. he said throughout my life my two greatest assets have been mental stability and being like really smart. crooked hillary clinton also played these cards very hard and as everyone knows went down in flames. i went from successful businessman to top tv star and
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president of the united states on my first try. i think that would qualify as not smart but genius and a very stable genius at that. i mean, that was so eye opening but more than anything, the question was why is he amplifying claims from michael wolff's book and i mean he's creating a best seller of a book that is ticking him off. >> absolutely. and what's amazing is you talk to the most ardent trump supporters what they will say is donald trump's a counter puncher and that may be true to some extent but he's somebody who constantly and proactively takes the bait. no better example than this than with bizarre tweets about being a betweens you and whatever he's saying -- being genius. if they ignore it and they're constitutionally not able to, but if they ignored it to some extent the book sales would lessen and less of a problem on their hands. >> and -- but i mean if you were
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managing a candidate, a politician, your advice to them would be to what? >> sure. kind of what angela said, put down the phone, put down the tweets, do less of that. the reality is donald trump's not going to do that and his team knows that. that's unfortunately why they go on tv and have to defend him in a our glorious leader does everything good and wonderful in a way more reminiscent of north korea than the united states of america. >> the reality is, donald trump likes talking about donald trump and he likes hearing other people -- >> [ inaudible ]. >> and even if it's negative. i mean the fact is we've been spending 24, 48, how many hours talking about donald trump. >> yeah. >> that -- and i think in the president's mind that's not a bad thing. >> rick santorum, doug hi, angela rye, thank you to all of you. no deal on the d.r.e.a.m.ers without a deal on the border wall. the president laying down a red line could trip up negotiations with democrats to keep the government open.
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cnn has just learned that the trump administration plans to end protections for certain immigrants from el salvador and could mean more than 200,000 people who have lived in the u.s. for more than 15 years without legal status could be affected here. so we are expecting to hear more about this today from the department of homeland security and in the meantime congress is facing a deadline to avoid a government shutdown. but despite bipartisan budget negotiations a deal is far from settled. during a retreat at camp david president trump drawing a line in the sand, saying he would work with democrats to help so-called d.r.e.a.m.ers but only if they agree to pay for his proposed border wall. sunlen serfaty is live on capitol hill. is the budget deal now in jeopardy because of this, sunlen? >> they're at an impasse, brianna, as that big government shutdown deadline of january
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19th looms large over the negotiations. you have democrats saying look we're not going to agree to any spending bill that doesn't include daca, extending provisions for d.r.e.a.m.ers, and then president trump and many republicans who are saying, you know, really trying to capitalize on one of his campaign pledges, president trump saying look i'm not going to agree to any spending bill if it doesn't include funding for the wall along the border. he's pushing for $18 billion in funding. this is something that he talked with over the weekend at camp david when he huddled with many republicans and certainly really ramps up the pressure on a big meeting that the white house will be having tomorrow by camera, a bipartisan group of congressional leaders to talk about not only daca but the spending bill and the entanglement of the two issues and going into that meeting you have at least one democrat, dick durbin, who is saying essentially that the government could very well shut down over the demands that president trump is making on immigration.
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that said both sides, of course, are making their own demands. a lot to get settled in a short amount of time. >> certainly is. the clock is ticking. sunlen serfaty covering it all on the hill for us, i want to bring in political director david chalian to talk about this. do you think, david a shutdown is -- where would you put the likelihood or is it too soon to tell? >> it is too soon to tell but can't take it off the table. this is a real impasse. this is sort of d.r.e.a.m.ers versus the wall, two totally different priorities from the president's side and the democrats' side and we know that you're going to need a bipartisan solution here, right. >> do you see democrats giving on a wall at all? we've heard from some democratic congress folks who say, no, we're not giving on this, but is it possible they might give something that is wall-like enough that president trump might say i've held up my side of the bargain. >> remember when they worked on comprehensive immigration reform in 2013 the last time, democrats did vote for a final product in the senate that included more
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fencing, right. i think 700 miles of fencing. >> politically loaded then, though, right. >> exactly. here's the issue is that wall equals donald trump and the democratic base does not want to give donald trump any kind of a win. perhaps there's going to be some way for chuck schumer and nancy pelosi to allow donald trump to be able to get something across the line where he says that's a down payment on something without the democratic base seeing it as the democrats kafbikaf caving on the wall, but it's a trick owe path here. that's a tough needle to thread. >> how much pressure is on democrats. they're squeezed here to deliver for undocumented, young people who know no other home than the u.s., and these are folks who you have many of them day by day running out of protections. >> without a doubt. and part of the energy that is inside the democratic party that we see is on this issue and so i don't see any way in which the
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democrats can walk out of this process having caved in a way that does not protect the daca recipients. their base will start revolting against them if that's the case. >> there are many things on the president's agenda and congress's agenda, whether infrastructure is going to be tackled is one of them, listen to president trump and then gary cohn his top economic adviser, how are you going to pay for this, they are not on the same page. what does that mean? >> the president all of a sudden sounded like public/private partnerships could not be part of the funding schemes. gary cohn the next day points to the plan and it has public/private partnership in there. here's what we know. donald trump has said he sees infrastructure as an easy thing. why he wanted to wait this year do it to get through the hard stuff and getting rid of the individual mandate. you see right here why it's not easy at all because especially after the sort of hit that the
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deficit will take because of the tax reform plan, you have to come up with a how are you going to pay for this and the administration right now is on two different pages about that. until they get a plan that shows this is how you pay for it i don't see infrastructure going far. >> a bumper sticker, washington, d.c., where we make easy things difficult. president trump and special counsel robert mueller could they meet face to face? well the president appears to have opened the door to sitting down for an interview. we'll have more ahead.
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counsel from the clinton era tells cnn it probably will happen and mueller needs to interview the president to complete his work and the democrat on the senate judiciary committee says it's not a matter of if but when. >> unquestionably there has to be that kind of face-to-face interview. the timing is important because the special counsel needs to have as many facts and as much evidence before he has that face-to-face interview with the president of the united states. >> when might that happen? >> my view it will probably happen some time this year. we will have more convictions, there have been two already, and more indictments. >> and joining me now to discuss defense attorney and former federal prosecutor seth waxman and robert mueller's former special assistant at the justice department michael zedsen a former federal prosecutor and legal analyst at cnn. when i hear senator blumenthal talk because he does bring his legal background it's more than he's just a senator. this is what he expects from his
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professional background. >> he was the u.s. attorney in connecticut. >> how do you see this playing out? >> we will work out a deal by which the president of the united states offers oral testimony to the office of special counsel, it will probably be like with clinton, deposition like format sworn in the white house itself, not in the grand jury room, but i can't see it happening any other way. >> is that what you expect? >> i expect bob mueller's team to relish this opportunity. for me the question is timing. it's likely we're just hearing. the question is when is bob mueller's team prepared to go forward. have they conducted all the witness interviews, collected the documents and have they flipped other people within the trump administration and campaign that allows mueller to be properly prepared. he wants to control that interview. when he has donald trump in the room he wants to know as much, if not more than donald trump knows, for two reasons. one, just briefly to call him
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out if he's wavering from the truth but also to potentially set up a false statement charge in case donald trump lies. >> take us inside that room, who would be there? if you expect this is at the white house, you expect it is sworn, a transcript would be your expectation. that's interesting. >> and probably videotaped like clinton. >> okay. who would be there? >> in my independent counsel investigation we took the sworn testimony of president bush out of office at the time and president clinton in office at the time in our october surprise investigation we took it off jimmy carter written interrogatorities to ronald reagan. four presidents that have been involved in the testimony of. the most relevant to us would be what we did with bush, we went to his office, the presidential office he has in texas, we had a court reporter. we didn't videotape it. he had his counsel. we swore him. it was myself, joe dejeneva the
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independent counsel, two other lawyers, the president and his one or two counsel from his law firm, and we said mr. president, thank you very much for appearing. now we're going to start asking you questions. it was -- to seth's point it was the last witness essentially in our investigation because we wanted to know everything we could possibly know because we thought we probably would only get him one time. ken starr interviewed mr. and mrs. clinton almost nine times during the course of their investigation but that's abnormal. >> you said that mueller's team is relishing this prospect, although you do expect it comes near the end of this investigation for them. if you are the president's legal team, knowing that, that this could be -- there could be pitfalls for the president, even though we know he's done depositions before, how do you prepare him for this? >> well, there's two questions there. one, do you allow it to happen at all. if it gets to a point where there are senior operatives that
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have flipped and cooperating with bob mueller's team in addition to michael flynn, you may get to a point where you don't want to put your client, the president, in this case in that situation. now i have to acknowledge that -- >> he would have to take the fifth, right, the only way he can avoid a subpoena -- >> if he's subpoenaed. my understanding this is a voluntary process. to your point you're correct if he were to be subpoenaed then that is his only option to plead the fifth. assuming he gets into that environment how do you prepare the president? i mean you have to have him be truthful at all times and that's the key because what you don't want to have him walk into is a martha stewart situation. as we know infamously she was convicted not of the underlying security fraud but sitting in a room with a federal prosecutor and fbi agents making false statements and the president could be in the same peril. you have to make sure whatever he says, it is 100% the truth or he's in legal jeopardy on that point alone. >> seth. >> the one thing, i was going to say, the president himself has said on june 11th, 100% i will
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testify. now he has this public relations problem if he chooses not to. >> he has his way with words of getting around things. i mean we'll see. michael, seth, appreciate your expertise. still ahead, officials from north and south korea set to meet for the first time in years ahead of the olympic games and amid growing nuclear tensions. we will tell you why president trump is taking credit. won't e of your totaled new car. the guy says you picked the wrong insurance plan. no, i picked the wrong insurance company. with liberty mutual new car replacement™, you won't have to worry about replacing your car because you'll get the full value back including depreciation. switch and you could save $782 on home and auto insurance. call for a free quote today. liberty stands with you™. liberty mutual insurance.
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>> representatives from north korea and south korea are set to meet face-to-face tomorrow for the first time in more than two
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years and these talks will begin with discussions on the north sending a delegation to the olympic games in south korea. movements began last week with north korean leader kim jong un saying he wanted to ease tensions with the south. president trump is trying to take credit for this. >> if i weren't involved, they wouldn't be talking about olympics right now. they would be doing no talking or much more serious. he knows i'm not messing around. not even a little bit. not even 1%. he understands that. >> joining me to talk about the new decisions is military analyst john kirby. you think trump does not get credit. >> i think he think he scared kim jong un, but it's the opposite. i think he frightened south korea into have the talks. i think is taking full advantage
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of it to see if they can drive a wedge between them. the only credit he gets is moving the south more stringently to find a way to top it. >> i guess just manager your expectations for what could come out of this. >> i think everybody on their side is doing the same thing. this is possibly sending the delegation and the mechanics of that. it's possible they said they wouldn't mind raising the issue of family reunionification. they are getting old and want to see their loved ones again. that's valuable to do and we ahead at to keep our expectations low. i don't think you can look for any serious discussions about the nuclear future of the peninsula there. >> even these sort of issues that may be adjacent to that or happening at the same time, there can be pay off, right? they are talking about things and agreeing on things?
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>> certainly. sports can be a great equalizer. these talks can at least forge personal relationships that might not exist yet. just discussions and being able to talk. even if it is something like sports is enough to get the dialogue moving. that's a healthy thing. >> is it good that this doesn't involve the u.s. or china? >> it would be better if we were at the table even for something as benign as sports to help have an influence on the dialogue. obviously that's not going to happen. part of the reason is president trump has been so unpredictable and belicose and he's not making it easy to have them there. it would be better. when it's about sports, i think dialogue is a great thing. we shouldn't worry too much about that. >> there is a possibility that north korea and south korea in the midst of a crisis on the peninsula could field a joint team for i think it's women's
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ice hockey. i am fascinated by this idea that you can have some show of unity when there is so much opposition when it comes to the nuclear standoff. what are the chances of that? >> i don't know. i have seen the reports too and i'm hopeful as you are. it wouldn't be the first time that they have unified in the name of sports. they marched in the 2006 winter games and 2004 athens olympics. they marched together as a unified team and table tennis and soccer. what is significant is doing it now with the current tensions as high as they have been, that's a big deal. this could be very exciting. >> just quickly, why would kim want to do that with things as they are between the two nations? >> i think the current reasoning by a lot of analysts is he wants to drive a wedge. he wants to show south korea they don't need the alliance with the united states. we need to be mindful of that.
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he has an ulterior motive. >> thank you so much and still ahead, president trump is traveling today with one of his critics. itten see senator bob corker. we will look at whether there has been a reconciliation or just a ceasefire. patrick woke up with back pain.
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