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top of the hour, this is cnn tonight, i want you to listen carefully to what the president of the united states said today when he was asked whether he would be willing to meet with robert mueller as part of the russia investigation. here's what the president said. >> it's a democrat hoax that was brought up as an excuse for losing an election that frankly the democrats should have won,
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because they have such a tremendous advantage in the electoral college. it was brought up for that reason. it's been determined there was no collusion, by virtually everybody. we'll see what happens. >> would you be -- >> w50e8 see what happens. but when they have no collusion and nobody's found any collusion at any level, it seems unlikely you'd even have an interview. >> did he say no collusion? i think he said no collusion. the president says it is unlikely that you would even have an interview. backing away, way off of his own statements seven months ago. that he was 100% willing to testify under oath. >> would you be willing to speak under oath to give your version of -- >> 100%. >> there's more. the president falsely claiming there's no collusion. no, mr. president, that has not
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been determined many collusion is not a legal term. there are other legal charges that could come from this investigation, which is not over. and it is not true that the investigation is a politically motivated hoax. it doesn't matter how many times you and your allies say it. >> i will say this, there is collusion, but it's with the democrats and the russians more so than the republicans and the russians. the witch hunt continues. we'll talk about all of it. i want to bring in julia kayam. asha and michael zeldin, robert mueller's former assistant at the justice department. thank you all for joining us. the president keeps saying no collusion, no collusion. the reality is, collusion is
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being examined and the scope of the investigations go far beyond that. >> absolutely, we learned today that maybe two months ago, bob mueller's team hired a cyber security expert. someone who's looking into potential stiber crimes, if anything, at least the tea leaves coming out of the mueller camp is that this investigation may have what you call multiple theorys of the case, right? it's not just collusion. and certainly collusion has not been disproved at this stage, and so basically he's just throwing out words there, to try to convince some part of the public or his base that this legal case is not occurring. two of his close associates have plead guilty and two are under indictment. so that's like not nothing at this stage. >> the reason i talked about the collusion part of it, and that sort of being a talking point for the administration and his allies and for the president is because another factor here is
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collusion may not be a crime. the crime could be anything from money laundering, obstruction of justice, it could be a number of things. i'm not saying they will be charged with that or the president did it, that's just a possibility. >> there are three broad streams that mueller has under inquiry. one is financial crimes, that may be the activities that relate to the donald trump/kushner ecosystem of business and they're dealings with russian oligarchs and organized crime. the second is conspiracy. to defraud the elections commission. or receiving stolen property styled owe fences. and the last is obstruction of justice. those are the three streams in broad terms mueller has ongoing. the mantra of no collusion is of no relevance to any of those
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three work streams. he can say it all he wants, it doesn't mean anything in the end. >> how do you see this playing out? >> i think there's a little bit of a jedi mind trick happening. because as you said, don, collusion doesn't have any legal meaning, so you can throw it out there. and i guess in some vague way that it's true. as juliet mentioned, we have two people who have pleaded guilty. one of them has basically admitted he is having -- michael flynn, the national security adviser who is basically having secret conversations about sanctions and lying about it. we have somebody else who was the foreign policy adviser, having sketchy meetings with a russian professor who was linked to russian intelligence. we have a 12 count indictment against his former campaign manager who is paid by russian sources and laundering money and also failed to register as a foreign agent many i mean, none
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of these things have the title collusion written on top of them. but it's smoke to say the least, in terms of coordination between individual members of his campaign, whether it extended to him remains to be seen, it's a far cry from saying there's no collusion or no signal of collusion at all. >> can mueller compel president trump to testify or can the president avoid it? >> he can definitely issue a grand jury subpoena, and i think that would look very bad for the president. because then basically, you have someone being compelled to testify. i think that most legal scholars would say that the president would have to comply with that, but of course at this point. we know that the president is willing to make some arguments that have never been made before, and we could wander into a constitutional thicket on whether mueller could drag him in.
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i think the president would lose that argument, but he could still make it. >> i like that word. juliet, i have to ask you, as i mentioned earlier, what's so interesting here, last june he said 100%, he would be willing to testify under oath. why do you think he walked that back today? did someone have a talk with him saying, you should not be saying that, that is the last thing you want? >> yes, or he may be saying it to himself at this stage. >> we began this with, the campaign had no contact with the russians. maybe he absorbed what his lawyers were telling him. it's mid january and things are going on and on. for reporters asking this question, this is what i would beg of reporters. stop leaving the impression he
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has a choice if there's a subpoena. he may change it, but the idea, will you or won't you is optional is ridiculous. the question is, if mueller gets to the subpoena stage will you essentially violate it? that's the question, and trump is suggesting yes. >> i think we get to the thicket. >> the constitutional crisis. >> yeah, we went from -- >> they go to district court to enforce it, it's not complicated. >> michael, you're saying he doesn't have a choice? >> well, the way it works out is this, that mueller says to the white house we want to interview your client. they say, let's talk about terms and conditions, and there's some case law, a series of nixon cases. there's the espy independent council case. there's paula jones versus clinton. they give the president some
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whig el room to negotiate scope, time, place, but not much, once they figure out what it is that those cases give the president some wiggle room with respect to. then the interview takes place, they can't avoid the interview, there's no question that mueller has the authority to do it, it's just, you know, on the -- perimeter of it, if he refuses then we're in court to enforce it, that's why -- >> that's what nixon did, he refused to comply with the grand jury subpoena for the tapes. and they went to court and he lost. and that's what will happen here. >> that's an interesting point. >> that's what trump is suggesting now. i mean, that's how i interpreted what he said, he will refuse a subpoena, that he is at that moment now, and he obviously is not going to do it voluntarily any more, he's just -- you know, today was significant in terms of what he believes will be his legal strategy going-forward. >> the difference here. >> here's what he's saying.
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he's saying that the president's argument is because there's no collusion, therefore, it would be unlikely that he would even need to be interviewed. does that make sense? >> no, because there are. >> as i said, there are the three work streams. one is the financial crime thing, that has nothing to do with collusion per say. that's money laundering and other illegal activities, ala manafort. then there's obstruction. that has nothing to do with collusion either. did you intend to conduct collusion. he may have some latitude of what the parameters are, but he can't avoid it. >> to point out from an inves ta ga tory perspective, the fbi and mueller have to make sure every stone is uncovered before they wrap up the investigation interviewing him doesn't necessarily mean they think he's
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guilty. they have to uncover it as a legal matter. >> it's his campaign that's under investigation, it didn't seem out of the ordinary. i wasn't surprised when they said they wanted to interview the president. of course they do. >> of course. he's the one that's overseeing all these people. he may have exculpatory evidence about these people they're investigating. mueller doesn't want that to come out randomly. the president is a key person in all aspects of this investigation whether or not he is a target or anything he is someone that mueller will want to interview. >> i want to play this, president trump also mentioned hillary clinton on the show before this, chris, i think white house representative said, they never talk about hillary clinton, this is the president, watch. >> and when you talk about interviews, hillary clinton had
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an interview, where she wasn't sworn in, she wasn't given the oath. they didn't take notes, they didn't record. and it was done on the 4th of july weekend. that's perhaps ridiculous, and a lot of people looked upon that as being a very serious breach. and it really was. i will speak to attorneys. i can only say this, there was absolutely no collusion. >> the president is referring -- referencing hillary clinton's interview with the fbi, regarding her private e-mail server. is it a crime to lie to the fbi? no matter what? >> yes, the oath issue is just a red herring. it's all -- it's all this mental jujitsu. it's unbelievable. >> yeah, it's a diversion. and what we have -- donald
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trump, to remind everyone, fired jim comey. i mean, this is -- this is where it all begins. he fired the guy that was investigating the hillary clinton campaign but also his campaign. it has to do with the firing of jim comey under some fictitious explanation he gave at the time, he was upset for hillary clinton. really having to do with wlsh the fbi was investigating him and he wanted to obstruct that investigation. ultimately, he needs to explain have a solid or at least a truthful explanation on why he did that. we heard 8 or 9 different explanations from his lawyers, the doj folks and him. >> michael, this is to you. i'm sure you heard the president talking about changing the libel
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laws, because they're really bad. first of all, you can't change the libel laws, it's constitutional, you have to get congress, it's a big deal. what's your take on this threat? >> well, he -- it's like, be careful what you wish for, because he's said more things that are potentially libellous than are said against him. watch out there, but it's been settled law since new york times versus sullivan, that the first amendment protects people in these situations when those people are public officials or public figures. so the likelihood that he's going to change 40 years of juris prudence to make it more like the u.k. system is just laughable. and many of these defamation actions are brought under state law, of which he has no control. so i think it's sort of a threat in the same way that the lawsuit by his attorney cohen against buzz feed is sort of a threat. not real law, but just trying to
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silence critics. >> yeah, well, you don't know what you don't know. and, you know, what the book said is that he doesn't like to read. you can figure all these things out if you read the policy. >> yeah. >> thank you all. >> if he read history, he would realize hillary clinton has spent more time in a grant jury testifying under oath than any first lady or senator in the united states history. to say she's gotten off scott free is laughable. >> thank you all, appreciate it. fascinating conversation, see you soon. >> when we come back, darrell issa announcing he will not seek re-election. we're going to talk to charlie den about why he is retiring and how the political landscape has changed with the rise of trump.
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if your uc or crohn's treatment isn't working for you, ask your gastroenterologist about entyvio. entyvio. relief and remission within reach. with the midterms looming, a stunning 32 house republicans are either retiring or running for other offices. so far that's making it a real possibility that democrats could take the 24 seats they need to win control of the house. and reminding some people of the thumping of george w. bush and his party, back in 2006. is the turmoil of president trump's white house making it hard for members of his own party to stay in office. let's ask one of them now. charlie dent of pennsylvania. he's one of the republicans calling it quits. so good to have you on. thank you for joining us, how are you doing? >> i'm doing great, don.
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great to be on tonight. >> wednesday again today, president trump was very forceful in was no collusion between his campaign and the russians, he said since there has been no collusion, it would be unlikely there would be an interview with robert mueller's special council? >> do you think he should be interviewed? as he's said in the past he's willing to do. >> i've been one of the people saying, let director mueller do his work, i'm not going to prejudge anything, i don't want to speculate whether there was collusion. other than that, i trust director mueller and his team to do the job. again, the president said he would testify, i believe that's what he stated publicly, i think he should honor that request, that's not my call. >> yeah, he said he would do it under oath. >> for people who are watching and may not be involved in politics every single day.
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explain why you're not going to run? >> i've been in elected office 28 years. i've enjoyed my time in public life. but i am young enough to try something new. >> does it have anything to do with what's going on with president trump? >> the most basic elements of governing have become painful to accomplish any more. preventing the country from defaulting on its obligations, passing budgets and budget agreements. these issues become overly dramatic, very time-consuming and frankly, it's utterly unnecessary. there's so much polarization that it leads to a paralysis that can be crippling to the legislative process, and frankly to the country. that's a bit of my frustration, to be sure. yeah. >> that's a perfect segue for my
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next question then, that bipartisan meeting on immigration that was held yesterday. the pred said he would sign the bill, whatever bill was brought to him today, there must be a wall. is there room for compromise here? and what's your message? is there room for compromise. and then i'll ask you the second part of the question. >> on immigration? >> yes. he's saying there has to be a wall. he doesn't say that yesterday. members of your party are saying, there's got to be a wall component. people like dianne feinstein wants a clean bill without a wall component. is there room for compromise here? >> absolutely, there's a consensus we need to take care of these dreamers. we can accommodate them, get them on the path to a green card and citizenship and provide for a border security component. i think it's unfortunate when the president uses the term wall. no one is talking about a 2000 mile concrete barrier on the
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southern border. no one's talking about that. >> i don't mean to cut you off. that's how it was portrayed and explained by the president. his supporters may not know the topography there. they think there's going to be a wall, and that's what they want. >> no. the president authorized miles of vehicular border. it deals with drone technology, sensors interior reinforcement. the bottom line is, we do need barriers in certain area ppz nobody wants concrete barriers. they want transparent barriers so they can see through them.
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i think it's unfortunate when this term gets thrown out there. we're really talking about establishing operational control of the border. >> with all due respect. that's what more reasonable people said, this is not going to happen, he's promising you something that is not possible. now he seems to be back peddling. that's not what people are expecting there. >> most with whom i speak they recognize it's not necessary to establish a 2,000 mile concrete barrier. >> nobody was say build that barrier, build that fence, they were saying build that wall. >> i thought it was unfortunate rhetoric, it was not a practical solution. i think canada is going to visa free travel with mexico. so mexicans could fly to canada, and come across the canadian
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border if they wanted to. does anyone talk about a 4,000 mile -- >> thank you very much. people said that during the campaign as well. >> you explained why you are retiring, why do you think so many veteran republicans, 32 as of now, why are they heading to the exits? >> for me. i had no threat from the left based on history, it's evident that the party of the president will lose seats. 2018 will be analogous to 1994, 2006. there will be a head wind, the only question is, how strong of a wind will it be? will it be a hurricane or a gentle breeze in our face? i would probably choose the
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former, that's going to be a very strong wind. and my advice to my colleagues is that you better prepare for the worst, and hope for the best. >> you just took my question. i was going to ask you, what advice would you give to the folks who are staying, and to this administration. >> my advice to the guy staying, this election -- this midterm election will be a referendum on the president of the united states, and his conduct in office. that's a given. the republican party and the president are going to be judged. that is the issue, if you're running for re-election, you had better develop your own brand and sell yourself, and if you're in a district that hillary clinton won, if you're a republican in the district that hillary clinton won or she nearly won or trump barely won. then you better be able to show how you're different maybe from the top of the ticket and show there's some separation between you and the president. you may have to do that. >> now if, if you're in a safe republican seat, of course,
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there's no reason to do that. this is going to be a rough election cycle. i think my colleagues know that. we have 23 members, house republicans who represent districts that hillary clinton won. and several others that were fairly close. >> it's always a pleasure, will you come back? >> absolutely, don. this has been great fun. >> always a pleasure. >> thank you. how many lies do you think president trump has uttered since taking office. literally thousands of them, we're going to break them down next. ♪ it's time for sleep number's 'lowest prices of the season' on the only bed that adjusts on both sides to your ideal
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the president responding to questions today about robert mueller by attacking hillary clinton and the democrats. let's discuss, the editor of the national review is here, it's so good to have you on. >> thanks for having me. >> would you consider this enemy territory? >> let's see how you treat me. >> we're glad to have you here, and i want to get your perspective. >> the president said this was the democratic hoax. he talked about hillary clinton winning the election, why does he keep returning to that? >> i think he would love to have
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hillary clinton as a foil for the rest of his political career. she was probably the only democrat that would have lost to him in 2016. he likes to keep her in the public eye. and two, i think you look at the fbi investigation into hillary's e-mail case. they gave her every possible consideration, every possible break. james comey did not want to recommend -- >> you really believe that? >> days before the election, he was like, we're reopening the electi election? >> he said, we're not going to reopen an investigation. we're going to talk about it publicly. he should have played it by the book, recommended the prosecution to attorney general lynch. let her take the heat. and not say anything the way you're supposed to. >> what do you think about him not saying the trump campaign was being investigated. he didn't tell people that before the election? >>. >> right, well, he never should
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have talked about the hillary case, and never should have talked about the trump investigation. one of the reasons he was fired. i think trump was irritated he knew that he himself was not under fbi investigation at that time. comey told him that repeatedly, and comey wouldn't say it publicly. >> this is after the fact, though? >> yes. >> you were saying hillary clinton got special treatment. >> read my colleague, andy mccarthy, has chapter and verse on this, they gave her every sort of consideration and break to get to a place where they could say she didn't violate the law, even though i think she did violate the black and white letter of the law, and if you're -- trump's perspective, and you're maintaining your innocence, and for all we know, he may be completely insent. you see that investigation, and then the special council who
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appears to be out for blood. we don't know that for a fact about. >> what makes you think he's out for blood? >> look at the predawn raid on paul manafort. >> come on, are you going to call someone and say, hey, we're going to come over tonight -- >> a white collar case of this sort, yeah. >> they thought he wasn't cooperating, and was hiding information. >> wasn't he about to go talk to the senate? i don't think he was a flight risk or burning things in his fireplace that we're aware of. he's hired a lot of aggressive prosecutors. in you're trump and you think you're innocent. and maybe he is innocent. we don't know about. >> the thing you said, you don't know. you said that it appears he's out for blood. but you don't know. >> i'm not surprised someone's
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house was raided if they have credible evidence against them. >> a predawn raid in a case of this nature? >> are they supposed to do it from 9:00 to 5:00? >> it's not the usual practice. >> i want to ask you about -- we always say facts matter. this is according to the washington post. this president has made over 2,000 false or misleading statements, is that concerning to you when you hear that? >> i have not studied this list closely because i have a day job, hobbies. the list itself is exaggerated. i count flip-flops as lies. flip-flops are bad, you shouldn't do them unless circumstances change. >> they ding him really bad. that's arguable, that's not a lie. all that said, yeah, he
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exaggerates all the time there's a concept of puffery. he's lived that for 40 or 50 years. >> you think it's fabulous he makes things up? >> everything for him, it's not good enough unless it's exaggerated by 25 or 30%. >> is that okay with you? >> no. >> let's talk about daka. you saw the meeting yesterday that went on, and they -- the cameras in there. the president had to be corrected by republican lawmakers by saying, let's be precise. you're not really going to sign a clean bill that excludes a wall. >> right. >> what do you think? ? do you think there was a real possibility of compromise and something could get done? >> if that's only the demeanor people saw from donald trump. this boosterish, optimistic, let's get along spirit, he would be in a much better place. this happened repeatedly on the campaign.
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he loses track of his own brief. he said i will sign anything congress sends me. you could literally hear people pulling their hair out. it's just, you're giving away every ounce of leverage you have. i knew immediately they were going to pull him back. of course, today they did. >> the original transcript, they scrubbed the line where he said, yeah, i'll sign anything, and then put it back in. >> if they're trying to hide that when there are reporters in the room, and it was brad cast live. >> do you think his core supporters who are screaming build that wall. do you think they would be upset or feel betrayed if that -- if there's a compromise with democrats? >> i think it's the single most important promise, and i think he's desperate to have anything he can call a wall or the beginning of a wall. if i were democrats. and i was acting cynically.
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i'd say, here's $5 billion for a wall. go to it. it's not going to be built in a year. >> the thing is, the amnesty will happen immediately, and it will never -- once it's written into law. it will never be taken away. it's like a 10-year project. >> i have to run, i'm suffering a terrible cold. what was the crux of your column today. >> it was very compelling, don. i recommend you read it. it was in politico, and i just -- i argue at greater length, the point i just made, democrats want to get this deal, give them something on the wall. >> i won't shake your hand. thanks for coming on. when we come back, much more on the president's plan for immigration overall. yesterday he said he signed any deal. today there's a caveat. any deal has to include a border wall, will he get it?
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the president doing an about face on immigration. yesterday he said he would sinai deal lawmakers brought him.
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today he's doubling down on the wall. >> we need the wall for security, for stopping the drugs from pouring in. i would imagine that the people in the room both democrat and republican -- i really believe they're going to come up with a solution to the daca problem which has been going on for a long time. and maybe beyond that, immigration as a whole. any solution has to include the wall. without the wall, it all doesn't work. >> i want to bring in two cnn political commentators, jack kingston is a former senior adviser to the trump campaign. and steve israel, a former democratic congressman. thank you general for coming on. mr. kingston you first. in president trump's meeting in immigration, he sounded flexible saying, i think my position is going to be what the people in this room come up with. today he is saying the bill has to include the wall. will it be a win if the wall only covers a short distance of
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the border if it's a fence in some places? will the base buy that? >> i think they will, but i think it will take the president selling it to them, that hey we got the bricks and mortar and the parts where bricks and mortar works, in parts where you need other types of security, we got that. cen willy we got the wall, plus, we plug the hole on the job magnets by using everify, and we stop chain migration. >> you admit he's not fulfilling a full promise here? >> i would admit it is not a complete brick and mortar wall which people i do believe envision who attended his rally, so -- >> i'm glad you said that, when people were saying build that wall, they weren't saying, build that fence or put that drone in the air. he did say, you have to admit, he's going to build a giant wall, with a big beautiful door and no one knows how to do it
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like him. and bring it in under budget and make mexico pay for it. >> one thing he said in the meeting, he said, we can do this for less than the seven years, it will take less time than that and less money. he was a little bit, in terms of showing some flexibility on it. i do think that the base republicans want to make sure that there is a real serious border security arrangement. >> i got to get steve in here for time purposes. is that -- is he backtracking on a promise here? >> well, of course he is, i don't know whether this is strategic ambivalence or an incoherent strategy. what we've seen over the last 24 hours, is democrats negotiating with republicans, republicans fwheg other yating with democrat. and donald trump negotiating with donald trump. he said something one day and
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reversed himself the next day. i have to say, this fascinates me, i sat through all these focus groups when i was in congress and donald trump was running, the one thing people said about him, i may not agree with him on everything. but he means what he says. what we're seeing now is a president who not only does he means what he says -- but i don't think he understands what he's trying to say, so you've got a president who's not leading, but dancing around this issue. >> the question was on the -- even from republicans, before he was the nominee, they would say, well, he's not a real republican, he's a rhino, a republican in name only. does what happened yesterday show he may not have any real convictions, steve? >> this is a president who says he has convictions, and tweets them. but with respect to immigration, with respect to the wall, he has two sets of convictions. a wonderful meeting yesterday.
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where he said, i'm open to compromise. i'm willing to work with you, and then a few hours later he had a separate set of convictions, where he said, there's got to be a wall. it's very difficult to understand where the president stands and where he separates what he says with really what he means. >> we'll have to see if jack agrees on the other side of the break. when we come back, this is what the president chose to focus on today. >> hillary, my opponent. hillary. hillary clinton. i want to ask both of you, why is it still talking about hillary clinton? and 640 muscles in the human body, no two of us are alike. life made more effortless through adaptability. the perfect position seat in the lincoln continental. ( ♪ )
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president trump still taking swipes at hillary clinton even though he's been in the white house for a year. in his press conference, president trump kept bringing up hillary clinton. watch this. >> when you talk about interviews, hillary clinton had an interview where she wasn't sworn in, she wasn't given the oath. they didn't take notes. they didn't record. and it was done on the fourth of july weekend. that's perhaps ridiculous, and a lot of people looked upon that as being a serious breach, and it really was. hillary was not for a strong military, and hillary, my
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opponent, was for windmills. she was for other types of energy that don't have the same capacities at this moment certainly. >> just a little fact checking before i ask, they did take notes. they released the notes. they did it on the 4th of july weekend because there was a campaign going on. this election, though, has been over for more than a year. he's still calling her "my opponent." what is the obsession? what's with the obsession? >> i think there's a couple things. number one, there is a belief, a base republican belief that hillary clinton did not get the same sort of scrutiny that donald trump and team are getting. and we can argue about, well, if that's true or not, i'm saying there's a perception, and we have to agree that the republican base believes that. so i think that if you're talking about the fbi and you want to discredit this investigation a little bit, the best place to go is to talk about how they gave hillary a pass, particularly james comey. the other part of it is -- >> can i say something, though?
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just because you stay, the republican base believes it, it doesn't make it so. shouldn't the president be speaking truth to his base and the american people? isn't that best for an informed electorate? >> i would say probably all of us in politics are guilty from time to time of fanning the flames of the base. so i think -- >> that doesn't make it right. i think that's what people hate. >> you know, i do think, you know, enter into the argument itself on if she got a pass or not, i think james comey, as rich lowery pointed out in your interview with him, that james comey bent over backwards to give her every consideration possible. but let me say the other thing -- >> except for saying that the investigation was open a few days before the election and not saying that the trump campaign was under investigation a few days before the election -- >> no, listen, i think comey is the responsible for the election of donald trump almost by himself in some ways. >> yeah. >> i think you could also have that discussion. the other thing that i want to point out is hillary has not -- >> we'll get you in when jack has finished talking.
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go ahead, jack. >> i want to make the second point that hillary hasn't gone away. she stayed in the public. she's -- it's not that you have to remind people about her, she's out there, selling her book, giving speeches. steve, i apologize for going so long. i apologize to don. >> no, jack -- it's okay. >> when the president uses hillary clinton as a foil, is that still working, you think? is that why he's doing it, for all the reasons jack said, even if it's maybe not the right thing to do? if that's what people hate about politic politics? >> i don't know if it's working politically. it may be working in the president's mind. it's deflection and distraction. in is a man who is desperate to deflect and distract from his own legal problems. number two, he hasn't gotten her out of his system. he won the election, but somehow for some reason, he thinks he lost. and number three, this is a president who needs a foil. and -- for a while it was the attorney general, then it was
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the fbi. this is a guy who has to have a foil. that's why, jack, my conspiracy theory is this is a president who secretly wouldn't mind the democrats taking over the house of representatives and the senate because then he has somebody to run against in 2020. he's a president who must have a foil. >> that's why you are a creative and successful author because you can come up with these kind of ideas. >> listen, jam, i have the information -- jack, i have the information in front of me about the president's claim. this is what says. hillary clinton was interviewed in the e-mail investigation, he accused the fbi of not swearing her in. fbi policy does not require its agents to conduct interviews under oath, and it doesn't matter anyway because it is a crime to lie to the fbi regardless of whether an south taken or not. any -- an oath is taken or not. anyway, that was my only reason for saying that. it is important to point out the correct facts to people. i don't have a political agenda except for telling people -- shouldn't the president be doing
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that? >> i think, yes, the president should be telling people facts. but i think there's also this huge case that hillary clinton did violate laws that most americans could not get away with. and frankly, i think if it had been anybody else that steve and i served with in washington, they would have been behind bars, democrat or republican. that and -- and i mean, i think that -- >> i got to go. i want to get steve's response. quick response, i got to go. >> i fundamentally disagree. president's trying to discredit the fbi investigation because he's afraid of it. and the department of justice investigation because he's afraid of it. >> thank you both. i appreciate it. when we come back, the president putting on a show at the cabinet meeting today and praising his performance at yesterday's immigration meeting. is the president getting back to his reality show roots? [drip. drip.]
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this is cnn tonight, i'm don lemon. live with new developments. welcome to tonight's episode of "the trump reality show." >> welcome back to the studio. nice to have you. >> in tonight's episode, the president of the united states cast his mind back to the good old days of his tv stardom, praising his own immigration meeting yesterday as a performance.


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