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this is cnn breaking news. thank you for being with us, i am ana cabrera in new york. terrifying words to everyone in the state of hawaii. this is not a drill. those words went to thousands of cell phones and erupted tv shows, blasted over the radio, ballistic missile s in bound. the warning was not real. it took 41 minutes. that's how all the frighten people in hawaii that a missile launched some where was on the way. a worker inside the emergency center in his words pushed the wrong button. it was human error, a false alarm. on the phone with me now, sarah sid sidner, you were in honolulu a month ago, did you get the impression that this is a place
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where such mistakes can be made easily? >> reporter: there were people there manning the area 24 hours a day. we had conversations with several of the people who work in that emergency management area. their whole job is to pay attention to all potential threats, everything from hurricanes for the potential of an in bound missile. there is definitely serious worry and serious mistakes that have been made especially since this went out, not only on cell phones but also to television stations and radio stations where people were immediately terrifying after hearing that this was not a false alarm, this was not a drill and it took quite some time about 38 minutes before they got another text to say hold on a second, this is a false alarm. so there were a lag in time there. that's what they are looking into. authorities i spoke with the
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governor, he said, look, this was obviously human error and there was a shift change, one of the employees pushed the button. that was a mistake, we are looking into trying to figure out how that mistake was made. but, a mistake none ttheless we hope it is not making again. hawaii before that in many months before that have started looking into trying to upgrade and deal with the fact that they wanted to make sure their emergency systems were up and run running and people knew what the do. there maybe an attack. they have been playing this for many months and just sounded off their sirens for the first time since the cold war. so as you are hearing, they were looking at this, this is real on
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their face and now they're trying to get to the bottom of how this happened. they explained it is an employee who pressed the wrong button. >> i am not sure if you have the answer, you touched on the fact that they started looking into what would need to happen and they started some emergency drills, for example, like sirens, do you know what plans they have in place in case a real life scenario as this happens? >> they have plans in place. they have been looking at those plans and new technology to get information like text messaging out to people. the cold war was more than 30 years ago, as we sit here and a lot of people said this is really scary for a lot of people and surely it was. certainly they have been looking at what to do in case there is potentially, you know, an attack, they have been planning for that and getting the technology put in place, they're
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the first state in the united states to do that as we are in sort of a new situation globally with north korea blasting off missiles after missiles and testing their nuclear capabilities. this was a good time to slowly but surely getting all of their systems up and running and their technologies ready and also to educate the public. that's a big component of what they have been doing is trying to educate the public about what they should do, for example, if you are in the impact zone, if their word is being attacked, for sure, you know, you would not make it. but, they believe more than 95% of the population would make it in some kind of nuclear attack coming potentially from north korea in that casand in that ca want to warn people what to do, take shelter or try to find a place of concrete walls.
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you can survive the fallout. the fallout is what killed so many people after hiroshima. they're trying to educate the public as well. this is very scary time for those who got these messages in hawaii and many people don't yet know what they are supposed to do there if there was an attack which by the way authorities say there would be about 20 minutes between the time that north korea would lawn p unch a bisal missile and the time that could hits hawaii in a short amount of time for people to take cover. >> sara sidner, thank you for the report. mr. ying, thank you for joining us and where were you when you got the alert and what was going through your mind? >> we were having breakfast and it was just myself and my partner and my one-year-old, i am in government so i was like there is to sirens, it was
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really confusing why it is only text message. the text message seemed so serious and it was all capped. man, we should look into it. we should call administration and once i realized it is a mistake, i was so disappointed. people are scared and angry and they are confused. if you walk around town in hawaii no matter what islands, it is all what people are talking about right now. >> you said if people are scared and turning to anger in some cases as well as a confusion of how this can happen. what have you learn of the response and the fact that this could happen, it seems such a simple mistake like pushing the wrong button? >> well, that's obviously a mistake and i am glad that the governor made a statement about it but i think people are looking forward someone to say, you know, we are sorry first of all. on behalf of the government, on
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all levels that this could have happened. it was for 41 minutes for someone to say this is a mistake. in the meantime, i was receiving texts from friends and phone calls, one friend of mine was in the basement with her toddler and the restaurants cleared out and even there is a photo of a family on social media that was going in the sewer to keep safe. one of my family in the philippines calling their loved ones saying good-bye. >> it is unacceptable and we need to get to the bottom of this. >> will someone be held accountable? >> we hope there would be someone held accountable.
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we are going to get to the bottom of how this happened and make sure this never happened again. the last thing i want is you know the trump administration and creating more chaos in the world, using this sort of tactic as a way to create more chaos and possibly entering more wars. you know it is a matter of providing folks with a sense of security, safety and realizing that this was a human mistake and that we can do better. >> hawaii's state lawmaker kaniela ing. thank you for joining us. this was not a funny joke in any way. thank goodness it was a false alarm. thank you for your time. how did this false alarm got sent to the entire state.
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more importantly, what needs to happen to make sure it does not happen again. we'll talk about it live in the cnn newsroom, don't go away.
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in touch, one of them had head phones on and did not see it for an hour. the others said we did not know what to think. the sirens did not go off. the thing is i had not been aware that they have been going through monthly missile drills. i think what just happened is that all of america just got a lesson in the new nuclear age that one of the 50 states could have been on the receiving end, in a real way and not just a way how we have been talking about it and kim jong-un may be trying to threat us. this made it much more visceral. that shows you why kim jong-un is holding onto that nuclear program. he wants us in the sort of state of fear. >> juliet. i want to read something from the "new york times." >> hawaii's false alert should be a warning sign. panic receives confirmation and decisions time shrink.
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in cold war, we had more few false alarms but they were detected when someone hit the panic button. how does hawaii fix that going forward so that this does not happen again? >> we have a sense of at least what's going to proceed. first is a mistake itself. how can an alert like that go out with that language, not a test without some sort of, you know, backup system and double confirmation or whatever it is going to be. figure out how the original system was set up that would allow, that we are going to do. the second though is of course, this 40 plus minute delay. that to me is the hardest part to explain. it is the one that i am most unfor givu unforgiven of.
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what system can we put in place for that to make sure that you correct a mistake that could lead to real harms. the third is, of course, how do you build confidence back in the system. my biggest concern now is not, you know that nuclear bombs are going to drop on hawaii but a tsunami maybe coming and an alert goes out and this is not a test and there they go again . they have to figure out a way to build confidence. each have different responses and solutions. >> and it needs to be investigated. on your second point, that was perhaps the most striking development as this news was unfolding was the fact that we have not heard from state officials until so much later when meantime we have one of the congresswomen from the state saying i confirmed with officials this is not real and this is a false alarm. we had the senator from hawaii
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tweeting out this is a false alarm. it does not really add up that they were not able to confirm it faster but again, that's where we had the investigation now looking into. i want to ask you kimberley of some messages we were hearing from a white house official saying this was a state exercise and there is no indication that this was an exercise, white house is not saying when or where the president was briefed. is this unusual of disconnect? >> because it shows false all along the chain. julia is right that to build confidence again, you are going to have to not only do an investigation but to map it out to the people of hawaii and wider across the state saying here is what happened and how we'll keep it from happening again. again, this also goes to white house officials who'll make sure
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that the next time they give out information like this is not incorrect because you begin to have a lack of confidence all the way along the chain. yes, first reports are often wrong but it took too long for this first report to be corrected and we had false information all along the way. >> julia, do you think our adversaries like kim jong-un are likely watching the response time and taking notes? >> yes, adversaries are certainly are and so are our allies. i want to make sure that i feel like it is my responsibility. there is nothing in the threat level that's changed because of this. this is scary in particular to people in hawaii. you know this was a mistake. so what our allies are probably looking at is having a confidence, will they have confidence of our alert system. all of these things are tied in.
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hawaii is so aligned with the pacific islands. you want to build confidence in our alert system so that other nations are responding. of course, with our adversaries, knowing that these mistakes can happen sort of underminds sort of a show strengths. this was a mistake and i am kind of forgiving this mistake and i am not forgiving of this 40 plus minutes took us that we were potentially heading down a scary path. a lot to learn and that's the best we can do out of something like this. >> julia, do you think they're gaining any intel how our defense works? >> it maybe good intel for the united states. what happens was the state of management -- this is false so
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in some way, the system had to serve backup redundancy. in some way, i think it is counter intuitive that we some what show systems had capacity to correct themselves and particular the military for us should be the biggest threat to our enemies. i know that's counter intuitive but that's my take there. juliet and kim dolzier, thank you. stay with us of this developing news story, how the white house is responding. we'll take you straight ahead to where the president is spending his weekend, next. my mom's pain from
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correction. how is the white house now responding to all of this? cnn boris sanchez is traveling with the president at west palm beach where the president is spending the weekend. what do we know how the president learned of this and what is he saying now? >> reporter: ana, we are working get clarity on when the president was told about this alarm and when he was told that it was a false alarm. we actually got words from the white house that the president was a his golf course here at west palm beach when the alert first went out. the white house put out a concise statement and here it is. "the president have been briefed on the emergency exercise." the question we have first office when did the president find out and specifically who he was with when this alert is put out. you can imagine we are getting social media alerts about this
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message that we sent in hawaii and some of our allies and partner in the pacific got words of this alert whether of south korea or a japan and china. did they contract the leadership here in the united states or did the white house reached out to them. the white house short on answers, this is a reminder that even though the president this week speculated of a good relationship of kim jong-un and he praised direct talks that are ongoing between north and south korea, this is a reminder that the nuclear threat and the danger of war with north korea is at our doorsteps, ana. >> boris, the white house said this was a state's exercise, are they acknowledging that explanation is different than the state of hawaii's? >> reporter: not yet, we have not reached out for answers. clearly we'll hear back. >> boris sanchez is traveling with the president at west palm
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beach, florida. it began on thursday with president trump making racist comments during a bipartisan being on immigration, during that meeting president trump slurred immigrants from s-hole countries referring to africa and he asked why the u.s. need more immigrants from haiti. the president denied using that specific language but two lawmakers including a democrat and a republican who were in that room confirmed he made the vulgar remarks. four other lawmakers have not denied it. today a group representing every african country is demanding a retraction or an apology. president trump is not blaming democrats. he's cancelling an upcoming trip to london which he's blaming for former president obama. the president also extended the iran nuclear deal with conditions. he warned this will be the last time he will give this agreement
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more time unless changes are made. finally trump said he has a quote, very good relationships with north korea leader kim jong-un, he won't say if he already talked with him. all of this in the last 48 hours. joining us now is barcardi and john phillips. do you think the president's remarks are defensible? >> i am sorry, what did you say? >> do you believe the president's remarks about s-hole countries of haitians not needing to be here and getting them out on this reform deal that's being worked out on, are those remarks defensible? >> well, i think they were salty and vulgar and the president has shown an affinity to use that type of language. the overall policy point that he was making is consistent of what he's been saying for quite some
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time which is we should not gi preferential treatment to people who come from diversity lottery, rather we should give preferential treatment people coming here with profitable skills. i think he has a point. it is a sad day when you got it people or doctors from britain who are kept out and the tsarnaev family is let in. >> john, why insult everyone who comes from what the president considers an s-hole country. >> well, that is the rule. that's the policy, an immigration policy is supposed to benefit the country and not the immigrants. you do what you can to alleviate when you have a natural disaster. >> my point is words matter. words matter how you talk about these people mattered. >> yeah, i know, look, i would not say it. it was certainly said in private that was leaked and there is
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some dispute as to what was said and the context it was said. you know i wish some certain times that he would reframe from that language. he's a 70 years old guy, this is the way he is and he's not changing and it is all baked into the cake. >> barcardi, what's going into your mind. >> i think john is right, he's a 70 years old guy that's been ra racist all the time. he cannot change his way. this is a propensity that donald trump has had since before he began running for president but dates long back into his history when he's running for casinos and suing for discriminatory taxes. the list go oes on and on. if john and i want to have an
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intellectual debate, whether what immigrations should looked like, we can have that but to sit here and say somehow to make sure it is a married base. melania trump would not qualified under that theory. we have to bring people in, some people will work with their hands and some people with will doctors and lawyers. diversities does matter, we can have that discussion without insulting half of the world. >> john, it does seem to be unavoidable controversial. does the president do any damage? >> the president says whatever that's on his mind. i would add in this particular case, the slur was directed at the governments and the country. if you look at the policy that is surrounding the cases, when many of these people from the countries referenced to come here, it is supposed to be temporary, they're supposed to come here until the country is
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leaned up fr cleaned up from the hurricanes or whatever, they go back. the government don't have the ability to rebuild or get to the point where they can go back so these people stay here for a long time. that's a reality and that's one of the realities that he acknowledged and it was not directed at the immigrant. it was directed at those country and those governments. >> speaker ryan yesterday, let me get to another point. we have not heard of republicans come out with the kind of outrage that we heard of charlottesville. bacardi, why do you think that is? >> because they are gut less. >> the problem we are having in this country are good people. you saw robert jeffers come on and cloaked this and we have good people who refused to say anything publicly. lyndsey graham is my friend and
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my senator, i know what he said, he will not stand up publicly against this racism of donald trump, i understand mia love and other democrats have done that. when will they simply say this is not the direction that the country needs to go in. until that happens, then none of this will change. donald trump is racist, period. he's been that way. our country does you not have to accept that though. >> republican senator chuck grassly and it turned out he got an ear full from constituents. his district went 65% for president trump, was that one of his town hall meetings. are you seriously not concerned
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about his fitness to serve, if not, why not? because i am very concerned. >> it is not that we hate trump, a home teacher who brought her two children to the meeting at the field trip. we are recognizing braver that's not normal. we are not psychiatrists, we can see abnormal behavior when we see it. republicans may say that most of these people are democrats and elected officials but john, for crosley to be hearing that, that's taking a hit of the ego that the leaders of t of the republican party is taking shots at these town halls. what did you think about that? >> i don't think they are psychiatrists. this is a guy where you love him or hate him. he's been consistent. the donald trump that you see now in the white house is the
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same donald trump that was a candidate for office. he was the same donald trump who was on t"the apprentice." if you did not like him before, you don't like him now. they're saying anything and everything that they can that they think will damage him and his credibility and i just don't think that this thing has any legs to it at all. >> bakari, does what we have seen this week affects the immigration debate and the deal in immigration deals for the dreamers? >> i think it does. i mean the simple fact is if you want to talk inside politics, it takes 60 vote s to get to an immigration deal. we need relief for our daca i m immigratio immigrations. 800,000 of them need to make shower they don't have to live in fear. to something that john said is
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very true. donald trump has been the exact same person this entire time but i do think that there are some elements of his base which are eroding. that's where he's going to have trouble selling immigration bill or anything else. >> bakari sellers and john fill lim phillips. thank you for the discussion. >> the president is trying to hammer out this deal on daca. the cheap architect of daca, what he thinks of building a border wall. >> as i like to say, show me a 10 foot wall, i will show you a 12-foot ladder. >> more thoughts of her ahead, don't go away in the "cnn newsroom." and here's to the heroes behind the heroes behind the heroes, who brought us delicious gyros.
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daca. too bad. the battle of the faith for almost 800,000 undocumented young people live ing in the united states. there was one win this week. a judge temporary stopped the repeal of daca. his ruling was in response to a lawsuit brought by former department homeland security. she sat down with us since the ruling came down. i know this interview takes prior to trump's vulgar, derogatory comments about immigrants. >> so does this new ruling make a daca deal less urgent? >> no. i still think that it is urgent for congress to act, the ruling is temporary in nature and it is a preliminary injunction, it
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does allow those who are currently in daca or rolled off since september 5th to reenroll which is a good thing. that's the protection for the 800,000 or so dreamer who is are already in the program. by nature, it is a temporary ruling. >> you have been called the architect of daca dating back to 2012. the trump administration argued they'll win the legal battle because they say daca was quote, "unlawful to begin with." >> would it be better for dreamers, why keep fighting for daca in that regard? >> when the legislative branch does not act its appropriate for the judicial act branch to act.
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it was created when i was secretary of homeland security, we were careful on how we created daca. it does comply with the law and that's what the judge out here found. that's why he found against the administration because their actions was premise on the notion that daca itself was an illegal act and it was not. >> but, it has not made its way all the courts system. there is been multiple challenges which was put on hold when the trump administration got into power and so it did not go all the way up to the supreme court. it could eventually make it there and ultimately it is unknown, what will happen and we nako know daca did not survive when it went into the system. did you anticipate daca leading into this coming into ahead of this fight this way? >> no one can anticipate it is
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leading to a fight this way. i think it is incumbent on what congress is elected to do which is to pass laws. in the interim, daca is a legal program and it was illegally rescinded by the administration. >> now, there was some optimism, lets talk about the potential deal. the president held his bipartisan meetings this week. since then, the president have been inconsistent of what has to be in the deal for him to sign it. lets listen. i think my decisions are going to be with what the people in this room comes up with. with need the world for safety and security and stop drugs from coming in. without the wall, all this would not work. >> why is the wall effective?
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>> if you show me a ten-foot wall, i will show you a twelve-foot ladder. that's not the way the border works. the way it works is you need technology and you need manpower along the border and that kind of strategy is what has led us and began in the obama administration, it is continued under the current administration of illegal crossings. adding a wall does nothing. it is a huge expense and it is a detraction from what actually will work. >> i know that this is an issue that you are extremely passionate about, given you laying the ground works of what we are seeing now during your administration as ahead of the department of homeland security. california where you call home where you lead this university of california system, california is home to the most daca recipients in any state. according to your website, 4,000
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undocumented students of many who are protected under daca. as president of the system, how will doing away of daca impact your students, what will it mean for their life? >> it is really a tragedy. these young people have been raised in the united states. they really only know the united states as home. they done everything we have asked of them in terms of getting their education, they gotten admission in the university of california which is a very competitive system. they're talented and they need daca a, for protection and deportation and also for that very important authority to work while they go to school. >> thanks to former dhs secretary napolitano. still ahead, breaking news this morning in hawaii, a statewide message went out saying a ballistic missile is on
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it is an idea of emotions and controversies and sacrificing some animals and endangering the species as a whole. a new cnn film called "trophy." >> phillip glass explains how he sees hunting as a gift from god. watch.
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>> you know the bible says he gave man all animals. d it comes with responsibilities but it remains the right to use. i think that's a big part of it. it is a big part of appreciating god's creation. some people think how can you go out and shoot god's creation. that's a totally false statement, false point of view. we have over animals and we can do what we choose with them. >> phillip glass is joining me now. i can tell you how devivisive wt this issue could be. explain why you agree to be filmed. >> i found out that i am a passionate hunter and somebody asked to go along with me so i
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took a risk. i took a risk and allowed them to follow me and film me for two years. >> hunting and conservations a lot of people said it does not go together especially when you are talking about species that's on their way to extinction. what do you tell people that, on this film you hunt elephants and lions, they say it is barbaric. >> they have the right to their opinions. all the animals we hunt are a stable population or increasing. >> the lions in zimbabwe, the pobulati population is increasing. hunting and conservation do go together and they do work together. the facts on the proves it. >> how does it work into conservatio conservations? >> giving animals value, trophy hunting gives animal values.
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since they have value, people are willing to raise them and tolerate them of whatever the case maybe. the number is stable and increasing due to the money that comes into the system. >> money coming into the system, your philosophy that it trickles down in to the community? >> it does not trickle down, it goes into the community. >> chris that's featured in the film. i was sitting here in new york city being interviewed. he said on camera, 50% of my landslide went to him and the community for their antipoaching efforts. >> did you have any regrets? >> suddenly there is a deep respect and reference for that animal for me personally when i hunt. i don't think it is regret. it is a deep respect for that animal. it is something that's hard to explain to people. i certainly understand that. >> phillip glass thank you for sharing your perspective with us. we look forward to the film.
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good evening, i want to welcome our viewers in the u.s. and around the world, i am ana cabrera, in new york, thank you for being with us. 38 minutes of terror, 38 minutes thinking this is the end because ballistic missiles is on the way. that's people across hawaii went through today after a false alarm sent out from someone according to the governor pushed the wrong button in the state's emergency management center. this is not a drill, they splashed all over cell phones, tv sets and radios before it was


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