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as the boeing plane was traveling. we have much more just ahead and it all starts right now. >> the president under fresh fire over his vulgar comments. >> i think he is a racist. >> of course i think that's ridiculous. >> you are saying the president did not say those words? >> i'm saying this is a gross misrepresentation. >> i didn't hear the word either. >> you are saying it didn't happen or you don't recall? >> i'm saying i didn't hear it. i was sitting no further away than dick durbin. >> i wanted to head to the airport. i didn't want to see if the place would get blown up or not. >> i wanted to call my wife and tell her i love her. >> traumatic understates what the people of hawaii went
through. it's unacceptable that this happened what the people of hawaii are facing. >> cnn newsroom starts now. >> hello, everyone. i'm martin savitvy an savidge. hawaii lacked reasonable safeguards after yesterday's false alert about an incoming missile. the fcc chairman went on to say that the state did not have processed controls in place to prevent the transmission of a false alert. cnn is in honolulu with the latest. >> martin, it depends on the officials i speak with. the legislator told me he was huddling in their bathtub. his daughter said daddy, are we at war and he said yes. speaking emotionally with tears in his eyes he reacted like many people in hawaii who saw those
warnings both on television, radio, and more importantly cell phones. they said this was not a drill. here's how people reacted. i will tell you about what authorities are doing to keep it from happening again. >> i didn't want to stick around to see if we would get blown up more not. >> i could have never seen my grandkids again. >> there is not enough time to get in and get home. i said let me use your phone to tell my wife i love her. >> for the state emergency management agency said he is in there and they have been looking at the procedures and it happened in a shift change which there are three of. that is just behind me in the diamond head crater in a bunker
where they operate. there was shift change and they were testing the systems and the wrong button was pushed. that was how it was told to me and to the public as well. we will be speaking to them late or about what they are doing to stop it from happening. now that people had the scare, there is a lot of talk and something that government wanted earlier of what to do in case there is an attack. people are discussing that. what do they need in their homes. the government was the first in the nation to upgrade its alarm system, the alert system, the sirens that would go off here. this is certainly not how they wanted to warn the public. martin. >> no, it is not. thank you very much. hawaii congresswoman tulsi gabbard did not shy away from explaining the severity of the situation. she spoke to cnn earlier. >> this is not just about what happened to hawaii.
i hope that people across the country, that leaders here in washington are paying attention to what people went through and what the consequences of that can be. we are facing a very direct nuclear threat from north korea. we have to get to the issue of why are the people of hawaii in this country facing a nuclear threat coming from north korea today and what is this president doing urgently to eliminate that threat? i have been calling on president trump to directly negotiate with north korea, to sit across the table from kim jong un and work out the differences so we can build a pathway to denuclearization to remove this threat. >> we have people with some answers. the global affairs analyst, thank you both for joining me. >> good to be here. >> first off, david, it staggers my mind. i was on the air when this
happened. how does something like this happen? >> the technology. it was extraordinary that they can send this alert by mistake. it's a reality and a concern. we have to have better safeguards. the alert systems to cell phones that are in place. there is a bigger concern that experts talk about, the possibility of hacking into the systems and sending out false alarms much they are not secure enough and this never should have happened. >> for a while that was a concern that that was the case. although now the governor said it was not. there must be a standardized protocol or is there when this alert goes out? >> there wasn't in hawaii. i have seen reports they will change the protocol and we will take two individuals to sign off before an alert goes out. in other areas with other situations in houston when the hurricane came in, the system is
that these emergency alerts are sent out to a brought area in terms of cell phone coverage. you end up alarming a large number of people about a criminal incident or a storm when it should be more targeted. this is really the fcc that needs to address this across the country. >> it's interesting that yesterday as this all played out, there was a 38-minute vacuum of information. especially for the people of hawaii. i'm wondering for our enemies around the world, did this expose vulnerabilities in the system? did the u.s. somehow show their hand here? >> it certainly did give everyone a view of how the united states is going to react, at least how one of the states will react in the event of a missile warning. in the end i think this mistake could end up having positive
consequences in not just hawaii, but a lot of other states are going to look at their systems and say could this happen here and fix it? i spoke to some family members who were in hawaii yesterday. one didn't notice the alert. he is like thinking okay, what else do i have to do to make sure that i'm aware in the event that this was real. the other knock on effect that can happen in the case of a false or real warning is that our adversaries like north korea are watching and wondering is hawaii issuing an alert because the u.s. is about to attack us? that is how horrible mistakes can happen and they would decide to do a strike if the u.s. was preparing to attack them. all of these things have second and third order effects that nuclear weapons specialists are saying show you how few minutes you have to decide in the event of a nuclear strike.
how important accurate information is and getting it out there quickly. >> right. that did not happen yesterday. david, i watched as this all happened and people were notified even though it was erroneous and they were notified quickly that they were told a real threat. there is nothing they realized to do after that. in other words, there are no bomb shelters to go to and no civil defense plan that had been clearly outlined to them. they had been told it is incoming and they had no idea what to do. how do you fix the vulnerabilities? >> better planning. i had a friend in hawaii who moved there from new york recently. they got this alert and his wife began to weep. they formed a circle with their young 3-year-old daughter and thought that was the end. he was deeply shaken by what happened. top to bottom planing for preventing this alert can be sent off by one person for
better management for the situation. the congresswoman was talking about the broader problem. that's a separate thing. a technology problem and the emergency system and a broader problem with north korea and why this nuclear problem has gotten so severe. i don't think it's fair to blame president trump for the mistake. that was by state officials. >> do you think that the situation and we have only a few seconds could escalate talks on the negotiations between the u.s. and north korea? >> for does make it clear to trump's base as well as to the wider american public that talks are preferable to a missile incoming on one of the u.s. states, but other than economic pressure on north korea it doesn't look like they are ready to come to the table. >> it is a frightening example of even a taste of what it could be like if it were real. certainly for a couple of minutes in hawaii many people thought it was.
thank you. >> thank you. >> still ahead, president trump's vulgar remark is raising questions about his policies. could his rhetoric impact laws and a deal on daca? plus trump's former right hand man will be on capitol hill testifying in the russia investigation. why steve bannon thinks don junior's meeting at trump tower was treasonous. [ gasps, laughs ] you ever feel like... cliché foil characters scheming against a top insurer for no reason? nah. so, why don't we like flo? she has the name your price tool, and we want it. but why? why don't we actually do any work? why do you only own one suit? it's just the way it is, underdeveloped office character. you're right. thanks, bill. no, you're bill. i'm tom. you know what? no one cares.
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use that word. it's a gross misrepresentation. how many times do you want me to say that. >> you didn't hear any of this sort of lumping everybody together. >> i did not hear derogatory comments about the people. >> i was in a meeting directly afterwards where those who presented to the president our proposal spoke about the meeting and they said those words were used before those words went public. so that's all i can tell you. i heard that could before the could even went public. >> the president is at as florida golf club and tweeting, blasting democrats and declaring a bipartisan deal on daca is probably dead. for the latest on the controversy and how it impacts the fragile deals, boris sanchez
is near the president's resort in floaterida. what is the president saying and doing today? >> he returned a short time ago from his golf club to mar a lago. he is tweeting today just five days away from a potential government shut down about progress that is not being made on a deal over daca and the legal status of dreamers. the young adults brought into the united states illegally as children. ultimately the president's comments earlier this week drive a wider gap between republicans and democrats not just on policy, but as you saw on the president's own words. you noted that the president tweeted that a daca deal was probably dead, assigning blame to democrats and he tweeted this, writing "i as president want people coming into our country who are going to help us
become strong and great again. people coming in through a system based on merit. no more lotteries #america first." the head of the talk shows was backing up the president's argument that the united states should have a merit based system for ending chain migration and the visa lottery system as well. she kept the deal on daca open and promoted the idea of removing daca from the budget negotiations that again are creating the potential for a government shut down just a few days from now. despite that, there are democrats who are saying they will not support any budget deal that doesn't address the issue of dreamers. here's sound from kirstin nelson and john lewis earlier today. >> we need to fund our troops. we need to protect them and increase homeland security.
these are vital security interests we ahead at to fund. to tie them to a daca deal where the expiration date is in march is irresponsible. >> i for one will not vote for government funding until we get a deal on daca. >> the key here is that republicans are going to need democrats to get any kind of budget deal passed. democrats are using that as leverage to get something done on daca. the deadline officially ends in march. there is a lot of pressure on both parties to get something done. they do have to come up with a compromise by friday at midnight. if not, we may see what some have suggested. another continuing resolution. a bill to kick the can down the road and keep the government funded as they continue this debate over dreamers and immigration and other issues like childhood insurance funding. martin? >> thank you very much. a republican congresswoman and a democratic congressman are
offering harsh assessments of the slur from the immigration meeting. one is icon and georgia representative john lewis and the daughter of haitian immigrants, mia love. both believe the president's remarks were racist. >> were the comments racist, do you think? >> well, i think they were, yes. i think they were unfortunate. >> do you think president trump is a racist? >> i think he is a racist. >> let's discuss this with the panel. john thomas, a republican consultant and dave jacobson and a democratic strategist. these are tough words from two members of congress. do the president's words add up to you being a racist. >> no, they don't. there are questions like you introduced whether or not the president even used that
specific language. senator durbin is accused in 2013 and saying that he made up something that happened in a private meeting against pete sessions that turned out to be false. it brings to question whether or not the president even used this language. >> let's ignore that and say the president did say it exactly. >> it is possible that the president does use strong language. i don't. i think it brings up an important point that a lot of americans feel that we need to use merit-based policies. we need to be bringing in the best and the brightest of socioeconomic statuses from across the world. being an immigrant is not a right. it's a privilege. we should select the best and the brightest. >> let me turn it another way. did the two members of congress go too far when they called the president of the united states a racist? do you believe those views are
sort of racist views if he has them, guiding his immigration policies? >> i would say it's about time. frankly i'm not surprised or shocked that donald trump made these comments. let's not forget. donald trump launched his campaign by calling mexicans drug eeler, rapists and criminals. he attacked a judge for his mexican heritage. he attacked a gold star family. he said he grabs women by the genitals. donald the devil is an evil person. he is a bigot and a dividener chief and a misogynist and he shouldn't be able to set foot in the white house let alone be in the oval office. >> he was elected by the people who voted under the system we have. hold on one second. here's the point. the point is this.
we spend the last days going-over the vulgarity that the president has used and also what his inclinations were. the clock is ticking down on daca and some kind of budget deal. you have hundreds of thousands of nung people now, adult people who their fate hangs in the balance and we are talking about what the president may or may not have said. is that really what we should be doing at this critical juncture? >> it's not. it's not at all. part of the reason whether or not the president used that strong language and a democrat leaked it to inflame the debate, the fact that the president did say he used tough language because he was so disheartened with the package he was presented on immigration. we need to get back and solve this. this is a critical issue, but if we keep getting this name game and calling the president racist, i don't think that's going to make him want to make a
deal. >> the president doesn't seem to -- this all rolls off of him. and what i mean is his hospitalers don't blame him for his own language. i wonder if the republicans don't come out too harshly. they seem to have a selective memory. we are divided on political lines about what was remembered from that meeting. >> there seem to be conflicting accounts. i don't see that that's a problem. you drill down and look at that word. s hole. it shouldn't have been used if in fact it was used which is in question. the issue is i would ask dave the question, would you travel to africa without vaccinations or would you rather travel to norway without vaccinations. >> it wasn't the word.
it was the question. why do we want these people from a shithole country? that is the part that is very striking. immigration has been a part of the whole american ideal. the fact that he would ask the question, not so much the word. how do you defend that? >> i don't think you can defend it. fundamentally the president doesn't understand that immigration is what this country was founded on. it's what makes america great. bottom line. we are a nation founded by immigrants. we are here talking to you from los angeles. we are a melting pot. we have an enormous amount of folks all over the globe. it makes los angeles a dynamic and diverse city. going back to john's point -- >> we are going to run out of time and want to give john another shot at this. >> dave is absolutely right. i'm not going to disagree. immigration does make this country great. what trump and the republicans are saying is we want to be collective and merit base and make sure that the people are
lifting up the country, not bringing it down. >> i appreciate both of your inputs. it's good to have a civil conversation on this. thank you. >> coming up, a false alarm over an incoming missile. it terrorizes hawaii. >> when we got the alarm, we were terrified. we were on the 36th floor of our hotel. we didn't know what to do. >> it begs the question, how in the world did it happen? what vulnerabilities did this possibly expose? that's all up next.
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there are a lot of questions about the alert sent out yesterday to people in hawaii warning them to take cover because of an imminent missile strike. >> the u.s. pacific command detected a missile strike to hawaii. >> after that false alert went out, people scrambled to find cover in what they thought were the vital moments and it took 38 minutes before a correction alert went out. when and how did all of this happen? it started around 8:05 in a shift change. internal test was initiated and then at 8:07, a staty stae wide warning system was sent. they validated that there was no
missile launch. at 8:20 a.m., 20 minutes after the false alarm was sent out, they issued a public notification of can velation via facebook and twitter. at 8:45, 38 minutes later after wfring authorization, they canceled the false alert. let's bring in the analyst and general mark. thank you both. what is the protocol? when all of this was happening, were alerts sent to the white house and the pentagon? the moto col went backwards in the event yesterday. what happens is northern command or defense command will receive
a launch indicator and show through satellites, the point of hj for incoming missile. they get that quickly and they confirm it with the command of the theater in this case, pacific command in hawaii. then they notify the emergency management agency. >> what happened yesterday is that was completely back pardons. the agency in hawaii was doing a test and they started the message system and part of the exercise or rehearsals and then i'm sure if you were in the watch and you heard that message and there was a desk, there had to be the question of who sent that message? why is it happening? they had to be confirmed or denied that took a few minutes. in effect it was backwards from the way the process normally
worked. >> it was pacific command that put out an official notification that it was not true. >> they in fact checked em a&e ma sent it out. they have to be in this case and tracking the targets and determining the defense. the ema actually alerts the civilians and the population. >> we talked a lot yesterday. let's talk about this. homeland security chief christian nealson called the warning an unfortunate mistake. the situation could turn into a boy who cried wolf and force that people are not going to abide by in the future. we discussed that. that is a real concern. >> it is. how hawaii rebuilds confidence in the system is going to take a while. the best way for them to do that, they started and accepted responsibility. only so much blame we can throw their way.
let's move on and how are they going to fix the system? both on the alert side and it appears they are fixing that and you will have two people on the gap issue that all of us agree is the incomprehensible and we know within two minutes it was a mistake. this delay is incomprehensible. then of course the interaction between local, state, and federal. we are hearing reports of course, what did the white house know and when did they know it? were they giving information that was not accurate. we have to tighten that up in the incident command system that has been built up over decades to ensure there is a seamless flow of information. so the blame is done. and the best that can come out of this because it is a mistake is go back and build confidence in the system because it's not just north korea and missiles. hawaii is vulnerable to all sorts of threats including
tsunamis, of course. people have to respond if they get the next time this alert goes on uut. >> it was a flub. no better way to put it. do our adversaries gain anything by studying what happened? >> they won't be able to see much. i think the biggest gains are going to be the observations and the corrections not only in the way the messages are passed, but also there might be a positive side of this. hawaii has been working on this system for a long time. people and the population tends to ignore the sirens and the messages of these alerts and haven't thought ahead about what they might do in an emergency. if that happened and people have thought ahead, there is a good thing that comes to that. the good piece is not only messaging within hawaii, but the connection and having been in these exercises and knowing how
they work. the way this communication flows between the various commands. norad, and the national military command center in the pentagon that goes to multiple agencies to include the white house and how fast that communication works. where you are talking about really from a timeline perspective, the way you laid it out is quick. i know it doesn't seem quick for the people of hawaii, but humans in the loop, you have to have conversations, communications and talking and messages to make sure things are going right and trying to get the correct word out to the population. >> as far as i understand, hawaii has the most advanced system? >> for does. a very advanced system and part of fema that is dwight the into regions that include california. quite sophisticated. this was just a major mistake. just picking up on what mark said. people like me with homeland
security, it's very difficult to get the public to prepare for something. they sort of ignore it. it's not going to happen to us. one silver lining over this horrible 24 hours is every person in hawaii who felt those minutes of just utter panic, if you can take that and steer it towards okay, do i have a plan? do i know what i would do? do i know and not just for missiles, but do i have preparations at home and communications with family? all of those things, that anger if they can put it towards preparing for any hazard, there will be at least a silver lining out of this. >> and hopefully also cannot happen again. >> thank you. >> thank you, martin. >> president trump's former chief strategist steve bannon could be a key in the russia probe and he's expected to talk to congressional investigators
it's going to be a busy week in the russia investigation. former white house adviser steve bannon is expected to testify before the house intelligence committee. his questioning will be limited to the committee's investigation and won't include the criminal probe being led by special counsel robert mueller. trump's former campaign manager is also expected before that same committee this week. let's bring in a cnn national security analyst and former communications director for u.s. national intelligence. nice to see you, shawn. >> thanks, mark. >> no official word on what bannon will be questioned on, but what do you think this panel wants to know? >> i think there are two primary areas of interest for the panel. the first deals with former fbi
director james comey. as you may recall, bannon was the president's chief advisers, chief strategists when comey was fired last year. any insight that he can provide into the process that the president and his team went through prior to that firing, any insight he can provide into the president's thinking with regard to firing jim comey would be helpful to this panel. i think the second issue is more relevant here. as you may recall, steve bannon is a former board member of a firm called cambridge analytica. there will be a lot of interests in his ties to them because that was the firm jared kushner hired to run the digital operation. to the degree that there was some collusion between russia and cambridge analytica with regard to trying to sow seeds of
discord with social mead whdime will be interesting in getting to the bottom of it. >> these are not the best of times. we know he hired a lawyer and what advice do you think that lawyer will give. i'm wondering the president and mr. bannon had a real falling out and could that in some way influence the kind of testimony? >> i think it could. with regards to the advice that the lawyer would give, it was a good idea for steve bannon to hire a lawyer. initially he said he did not need a lawyer, but not only to hire a lawyer, but this particular lawyer also represents a current white house attorney, mr. mccabe as well as former chief of staff, reince priebus. the advice he will give him will focus on making sure he preserve himself and preserve the information that he may have with regard to what happened in the white house during that
time. this was a smart move on steve bannon's part. it's going to be interesting to see what happens here with regard to the falling out between the president and steve bannon. we can certainly look for democrats to be hard on steve bannon, but based on what happened, we may see republicans come down on steve bannon hard as well for the comments that he's made. from steve bannon's perspective. he is a wild card now that he had the falling out with the president and he lost his job, he may go into this hearing saying what have i got to lose? it will come down to what steve bannon knows and how he's feeling with the relationship with this administration and this president as he walks through the door. >> there will be another star witness here. cory was one of the senior officials who got e-mails from the foreign policy adviser about his outreach to the russian
government. according to reports at least. you expect that that will play into question by this panel or one of the other congressional investigations going on. >> it absolutely has to. cory was in communication with george papadopoulos who we know was in communication with or allegedly in communication with the russians. i think that it would be unlikely and unreasonable to suggest that steve bannon would not have it some knowledge of the communications. i think this panel will be very interested in the degree of knowledge he had and what dra s interactions he had with cory and what george papadopoulos was proposing. what advice he gave the president. he came along late enough that there is a certain level of cover for him because a lot of things may have happened with regard to the russians. someone who spent a lot of time
with him, it's reasonable to presume he has detailed knowledge about what happened here. >> you paint an interesting picture. should be remarkable testimony. maybe we will hear about it. thank you very much. >> next a potentially deadly welcome for thousands of sal va dorian americans who could face deportation. they said the country will become a hell if president trump forces them to go back. woman: i'm a fighter. always have been. when i found out i had age-related macular degeneration, amd, i wanted to fight back. my doctor and i came up with a plan. it includes preservision. only preservision areds 2 has the exact nutrient formula recommended by the national eye institute to help reduce the risk of progression of moderate to advanced amd backed by 15 years of clinical studies. that's why i fight. because it's my vision. preservision.
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for many living in the united states. last week the trump administration announced the end of an agency that gave protected status after they fled civil war and natural disasters. that means these immigrants are at risk of having to uproot their lives in a little more than a year. patrick is following the story in san sal vudoor. this is as much a concern in el salvador as it is in the united states. >> reporter: you have to think that for many here president trump's controversial comments on top of the change in immigration policies adding insult to injury. it will not just effect possibly tens of thousands of salvadorians but also will effect many americans. at the end of a dirt road is a family facing a gut wrenching decision. he has lived in the united
states for the last 17 years. he may soon return here. the trump administration announced in january they are ending the program that allowed over 200,000 to live legally in the u.s. in 18 months he could be deported. he worries about the impact the change in policy could have on the already impoverished and crime-ridden country. the worry is that if there were massive deportation this would become i guess i would call it a hell, a disaster. everyone wants to work but there isn't any. so he has come back for a few weeks with the money he urearns working as a landscaper in new york for the home he is building here should he return for good. >> telling me many other people are thinking they might need to come back and it is really hard because so many other people are fixing their homes. but his biggest concern is his
three children, all born in the united states. his eldest have been to elsalvador just twice. what do they know about el salvador? he says he doesn't want to live in the u.s. illegally or run the risk of having his family separated so he may soon move his children all u.s. citizens back to sell el salvador. even here criminal gangs terrorize the population. barbed wire fencing surrounds his house. >> for us it will be really hard. i keep telling him i like it here but i would live here. >> reporter: they may have no choice. he would hope to provide his children a better life in the u.s. but is afraid of what can happen if he is deported. the day i'm not with them and they are not with me he says i think they will suffer and i
will, too. he drives his children to the airport to fly back to the u.s. he will remain in el salvador a little while longer to finish their home just in case. they don't know what the future holds but they say they will do whatever it takes to stay together. and the state department has just come up with a travel advisory urging americans to reconsider visiting el salvador. for american citizens like the ones we spoke to in our story who have relatives that are facing deportation they don't have any choice but to come back and expose themselves to the danger that exists here. >> thank you very much reporting on the issue. we have a lot more just ahead in the news room right after a quick break.
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the president under fresh fire over huz vulgar comments. >> i think he is a racist. >> of course, i think that is ridiculous. >> you are saying the president did not say those words? >> i'm saying this is a gross misrepresentation. >> i didn't hear that word either. >> you are saying it did not happen or you don't recall. >> i didn't hear it. >> all as the state of hawaii is reeling from a phony missile alert. >> i wanted to head to the airport because i didn't want to stick around and see if it is getting blown up. >> i think traumatic under states the