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a breakthrough moisturizer whipped for instant absorption feel a light-as-air finish in a flash new olay whips ageless good morning, everyone. i'm poppy harlow. >> i'm john berman. what could possibly go wrong? the government is set to run out of money in 63 hours. people are wondering if they'll be told to leave and the u.s. cabinet secretary saying she doesn't know if norway is predominant lead white. raise your hands if that sounds for like good ingredients for a cocktail. key republican members are saying they don't know if they have the votes and, meanwhile,
democrats are not so sure how far they want to push back. would they suffer from a shutdown? >> all of that and all they can agree on is that they don't like what former white house chief strategist steve bannon is telling them. they like what he refuses to tell them even less but the news that bannon will tell the special counsel everything is raising all sorts of new possibilities this morning. bannon would not talk about anything pertaining to his time in the white house or his time on the transition team, at the direction of the white house. the fbi went to bannon's home last week, tried to issue him a subpoena to appear before the grabbed jury grand jury in the russia probe. let's go to capitol hill and sunlen serfaty is watching the clock and the potential shutdown. sunlen? >> reporter: that's right.
a lot of moving parts. the republican leadership has put forward a short-term spending plan. here's what we know about this new spending plan. first, it does not address daca, which, of course, many democrats wanted included in this spending bill. it include as six-year extension of children's health insurance program bill that democrats wanted to see in here. it delays three key obamacare taxes and republicans in the house are trying to push forward without democrat support, push forward just with republicans and that's where the big wildcard in all of this is. those conservatives in the house, members of the house freedom caucus emerging late last night saying that they are not so sure they can get behind this. there are a lot of moving parts of this today. we will see the white house cheap of staff john kelly up here on the hill.
the house republican leaders are meeting behind closed doors trying to gauge the interest in their caucus, can they get behind this and a lot of focus right now on can the house republicans get behind this short-term spending plan to get it passed before the midnight deadline. >> sunlen, as you know, it defies the laws of fphysics and math to not pass without the democrats. >> reporter: that's right. republicans in the senate need 60 votes. they need at least nine democrats to come on board, depending on how many republicans vote for this plan. and we've been trying to gauge the interest of senate democrats. republican leaders are trying to woo democrats, especially those red-state democrats in tough
re-election position, especially with the c.h.i.p. funding thrown in. senator manchin said i want to vote to keep the government open. senator booker said he will vote against it if it doesn't include daca. congressman an gus king said i'm tired of voting for crs and that's a sense that many people on capitol hill feel, just a kick the can down the road stop-gap measure. >> sunlen, keep watching the clock and the debate for us. thank you very much. meanwhile, the president's chief of staff is on capitol hill right now for talks that could -- well, we'll see what happens with these talks. it's a tough meeting i would say with the congressional immigration reform. our abby phillip is at the white house with more. chief kelly said this is not going to play well with your base to make this deal that
graham and durbin brought you. >> reporter: that's right. it's really unclear what he's hoping to accomplish today but you've got to keep in mind that all along a lot of democrats had said that the person standing in the way of a deal at the white house has been stephen miller, but we know that john kelly has been tasked with this immigration deal. as you mentioned, he was one of the voices saying to the president last week, this is not a good deal for you and asking him to reject the graham/durbin proposal. this is a deal potentially for john kelly to restore some trust in this relationship. earlier last week, it seemed like democrats believed that president trump wanted to get there that was willing to sign something that they came up with. that has since broken down. kelly's talks today could be crucial to that. at the seam tiame time, preside trump is expected to be on the hill honoring bob dole. the white house says he's not expected to have any formal meetings around immigration or around the spending issue but it
is possible that the players that are necessary to deal with this issue are going to be there as well and at the same time the white house is trying to argue that it's the president who is he had looking the charge on immigration, not his staffers. and that includes john kelly. >> yeah. >> abby phillip for us at the white house, thank you. with us now, alex burns and washington bureau chief for the chicago sun times, lynn sweet. political peril for everyone inside this deal. republicans are trying to push this stop-gap measure and fund the government for a little and don't deal with immigration. le the freedom caucus says i'm not sure what is at risk. >> for republicans, a whole bunch of subsidiary risks but the biggest risk of all is they have become seen as a party with total control of government, and the immigration issue is hugely fraught for them. if there's rebellion on the right, that could be messy both in terms of this specific debate
but then the longer term struggles to enact an agenda. but if they in january of their second year in power can't simply fund the government, that's a fiasco. >> but when it gets to the senate, the math doesn't work there if they don't get at least eight. >> what about joe manchin who said he's going to sign a spending bill and claire mccaskill who told "the times" this week we shouldn't draw a line in the sand. that's houw negotiations blow u. >> this may include c.h.i.p. funding to cut taxes from the health care bill. it would be a budget surplus, the cbo reported. that would be a net plus for republicans but c.h.i.p. funding for 9 million americans to reinstate their insurance is something that both democrats and republicans have been
pushing for. so republicans sort of putting the ball in democrats' court saying you want to shut the government down over those 9 million children you've been arguing for over the past six months and democrats are saying they are not budging unless the d.r.e.a.m.ers are including in any bill. i think we're moving closer to a government shutdown than a week ago. >> the discome mofort is spread around. there was or is a bipartisan proposal out there, right? the gang of six has put something out. the number two in the senate, john cornyn, pre-emptively said no dice. and the president said bring me a bipartisan deal and i'll sign it. this is a bipartisan deal and now they are not going to talk about it and what trump said in
terms of how to product the process along just collapsed as though it didn't happen. so where are we at now? there are potential other gangs to come up. the point is, this group led by lindsey graham and senator dick durbin is the only bipartisan senate group that has emerged. so i say to cornyn, where is the other groups that could bring in democrats? it's not hard to count to 60, john and poppy. that's what it takes to get something through the senate. so form your own coalition, make a deal, do other negotiations. just telling someone to go back to the drawing board is not as good as saying i'm going to create the group. so whether or not you agree with the things in the durbin/graham gang of six could be a starting point to discussion. the senate has done this. they had an even harder
immigration package. while this package doesn't seem to be the spirit of true negotiation which is what the senate is wrestling with right now but of everything else we're talking about, remember this. if the senate leader mitch mcconnell doesn't want to call a measure, it won't get a vote. >> attorney general sessions spoke last night and this is quite telling where the administration stands at this point. >> what good does it do to bring in somebody who is illiterate in their own country, has no skills and is going to struggle in our country and not be successful? >> the president is right on the lottery. that's ridiculous. how absurd is that for policy, for a great nation? >> so biana, that tells us a lot about who should come to the
country and who shouldn't. was he saying that those people from those nations have no skills? >> you're talking to somebody who was brought to this country from a predominantly white country, i'll say that, but my parents who were highly educated in the former soviet union did not know a word of english. i don't know what his point is by saying illiterate. are they expected now to learn english before they come here? >> and he's saying that those people will not fail. there's so many success stories. >> like my parents and millions of others and the country. but i think this goes back to the president himself. aside this being an extraordinary debate whether an official not knowing whether norway is predominantly white or not, at least this president is not coming out with his own agenda and policy, it's being planned around him by both parties. the president we saw in that extraordinary hour-long session has said, just bring me a plan and i'll take the blame for it. as lindsey graham said, what
happened to that guy? because he hasn't been heard from, at least publicly, over the last few days and a people are confused about what his specific policy and ideology is. >> in wisconsin overnight, a lot of people missed this, there was a special election for a senate seat that had been in republican hands for some 16 years. democrats won it going away. the republican governor of wisconsin scott walker said, "special election won by a democrat is a wake-up call for republicans in wisconsin" and he doesn't mean just wisconsin. >> that's an alarm bell for republicans and the trump belt, if you can call it that generally, that that was a district and this was not some seat that has wobbled back and forth or that voted for, you know, mitt romney in 2012 and hillary clinton in 2016. this is trump country. it was romney country before that. it was bush country before that. so this is a place where
republicans ought to do well. one of the big questions for the 2018 elections is, will democrats just gain ground in these sort of educated or will they make up ground in this sort of rural and industrial parts of the country where the president did really well and last night they did exactly that. so for scott walker to come out and say, he's both a very successful governor and a very canny political strategist, that's a voice that republicans nationally are going to listen to. >> lynn, finally to you. there are those on the republican side, like lindsey graham, who are pleading one person at this point in time, lindsey graham, look at this, pleading with the president. >> this has turned into an s-show and we need to get back to being a great country. >> so, i mean, it seems like he's talking to the president there. get back to where you were. where's the guy i was golfing with? >> absolutely. that is why lindsey graham has
not confirmed directly what the vulgar expression was that the president did because he needs to maintain a channel of communication with president trump. and in that hearing, lindsey graham also tried to reassure the hundreds of thousands of d.r.e.a.m.ers that things would turn out okay, which i thought was putting a lot on the line given the path ahead and with that looming march deadline where the protections they have go away. >> lynn sweet, alex, bianna, thank you. steve bannon was tried to serve a subpoena. bannon said, wait, and referred it to his attorney and we've learned that the former white house chief strategist says he'll speak openly when he meets with the grand jury. >> obviously bannon created a lot of waves when he refused to
answer certain questions claiming privilege. dana bash is with us now to give us her reporting on the situation with steve. dana, what have you learned? >> let's start with where you did, which is the fact that the fbi did go to steve bannon's house to give him a subpoena. the understanding that we have is that the fbi didn't realize at the time that he had a lawyer and that's why bannon's response was, i have a lawyer. let me connect you to. still, it's quite dramatic, the notion of steve bannon who has obviously been very much in the news for all of his comments to the author, michael wolff, about the whole idea of what he thinks happened and didn't happen with the president and his staff. beyond that, the other noteworthy fact that i was told about is that despite the fact that steve bannon refused to answer many, many questions from
lawmakers yesterday when he was behind closed doors for almost ten hours, he's going to answer all questions that are asked by robert mueller's team. and i'm told that that is something that bannon's lawyer informed lawmakers of when they were having the back and forth about executive privilege during all those hours yesterday, that they were not very thrilled, as you can imagine with this information that bannon was giving him. which is, he's not going to answer your questions but he's going to answer mueller's questions and that's because bannon and his lawyer are clearly adhering to what the white house has asked them to do, invoke executive privilege. and that's obviously only governed by the executive branch and legislative branch. it is not governed by a criminal investigation, which is what the special counsel's investigation is all about. >> dana bash, good reporting.
thank you very much for breaking that for us. we appreciate it. we have a lot to dig into in this fast evolving bannon story. legal experts are standing by. we're minutes away from a key republican senator taking to the senate floor for a speech to criticize the president, making it even more notable, the comparison he made from the president to joseph stalin. and the chair of the house freedom caucus says republican leaders don't have the votes to avoid a shutdown. we will talk to a member of that caucus to see where he stands. teddy's a pitmaster. when it comes to playing with fire, nobody does it better. he's also a volunteer firefighter. (low-pitched yelling) but when it comes to mortgages, he's... less confident. fortunately for teddy, there's rocket mortgage by quicken loans. it's simple, so he can understand the details and get approved in as few as eight minutes. apply simply, understand clearly, mortgage confidently. rocket mortgage by quicken loans.
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>> joining us now, senior and legal analyst and robert mueller's special assistance at the department of justice. being served by fbi agents is no small thing and a decision is done with no small effect. what is the special counsel up to here? >> he's sending bannon a message that he wants him in the grand jury and wants him to be forthright, truthful and fullsome in his answers. >> so then why, knowing now that he was subpoenaed before yesterday, why did he do this dance with them because our reporting is that he will be fullsome in his answers to mueller's team, tell him everything that he can to utilize executive privilege so why dance with congress on it? >> well, as you know, poppy, a lot of times these congressional hearings are kabuki theater and
there are messages being sent. there could have been some aspect of that to be able to say that he's kind of resisting this. as michael said, once he gets into the grand jury none of those quote/unquote privileges are going to hold water. he'll have to answer all of those questions and they will be reported by a court reporter. >> and what we don't know is what "everything" is. we don't know that at all. >> you can glean from the book, i suppose. >> some things. but he says the book is exaggerated and hyperbole. it's possible that he could work out a deal to speak voluntarily before investigators from the special counsel's office. what's the difference? grand jury and investigators? >> if he's under oath, there's no difference. his testimony will be recorded. he will be subject to prosecution for lying. the only difference potentially is if they struck a negotiated
deal for his lawyer to be in the interview room because the lawyer cannot attend a grand jury setting. >> guys, let's talk about the sort of extraordinary ten hours that played out yesterday with bannon in front of the house intelligence committee. asha, the scope of privilege, you have representative jim hines who was on with anderson last night saying that he was sort of stunned and appalled by the fact that bannon tried to use privilege, the scope of privilege to pertain the conversations that he had in the white house with people other than the president. does that hold legal water? >> the -- no. you know, the white house has kind of made up this very broad privilege that seems to extend from the beginning of time until when people leave the white house and that's just not how executive privilege works. the executive privilege is held by the executive and the
approximate the needs president needs to assert it. the branch will work out how they are going to manage that and none of this has happened and, also, he wasn't president during the transition or during the campaign and so this is a very broad assertion that is strange. >> yeah, and it's the threat of exerting executive privilege, which we've seen during this whole time. they are not actually exerting pressure but they are testifying and saying they may down the line. >> in the future. >> so i'm just going to be quiet here. michael zeldin, steve bannon's lawyer calls the white house. >> biz sdplarre. >> the white house then tells them not to talk. is this the way things are normally done? >> well, no. that really smacks of a gag order rather than the assertion of executive privilege. executive privilege typically is a much more surgical application. they asked you for a specific question, asked a specific
question about a specific topic and you determined that that is privileged because it involves policy decision making between yourself and the president or between senior staff that's going to be reported to the president. not a broad-based i'm just not going to answer any question during the period of transition in the white house with people who are not in the white house at the time of the assertion. so it was really a spurios assertion. >> there is a chance that bannon could be compelled. they don't have the power to hold him in jail. what does it mean for the request enss? >> well, essentially if they want to enforce the subpoena, the executive branches don't
want courts to delineate where their power starts and ends and, you know, it's just going down this whole road if he wants to testify and wants that and the president doesn't comply, we're just getting into a whole new spig got. >> asha, michael, thank you for being here. in just a few minutes, a republican senator will go to the senate floor with a speech incredibly critical of the sitting republican president. again, when you compare a u.s. president or use a u.s. president's name in the same sentence as joseph stalin, that's a thing. and sometimes, i don't eat the way i should. so, i drink boost. boost high protein nutritional drink has 15 grams of protein to help maintain muscle and 26 essential vitamins and minerals, including calcium and vitamin d. boost high protein be up for it
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in just moments, something pretty extraordinary is about to happen on the senate floor. a sitting republican nar will walk out and will denounce the president. specifically, his attacks on the media. >> arizona jeff flake has been working on this speech for days. he's expected to compare the president's words and actions to that of the former soviet dictator joseph stalin. normally when that's done, that's not done in a nice way. joining us is host of "reliable sources" brian stelter. this is not the normal thing you see. >> so far from normal. as flake prepares to leave the senate, he wants to make a statement on a number of topics. the first of these significant floor speeches is about the press and about president trump's use of the phrase fake speech to delegitimatize the
press. here's part of what he is expected to say. "mr. president is a condition to the testament of our democracy that he uses words infamily spoken by joseph stalin to describe his enemies. it bears noting that so fraught with malice was the phrase enemy of the people that even khrushchev disagreed with the supreme leader." so flake here is trying to make the point that language has consequences. >> yes. >> that words have power. when you derive the press as the enemy of the people or as fake news and produces feake stories it has an impact on the public at large. >> i'm pretty sure that's what he just did. >> he told christiane amanpour, if i was stalin, i'd be in gitmo. senator john mccain has an op-ed
in "the washington post" backing up flake. here's what he writes. "whether trump knows it or not, these efforts are being closely watched by foreign leader who is are already using his words as cover while they silence and shutter one of the key pillars of our democracy." >> the point he's making is that trump's words here in the united states has an impact in other countries. here are some stats about the impact of the kind of fake news receipt for rec a -- rhetoric and what it could mean. in countries like turkey and china and egypt, there were 21 cases last year where journalists were jailed on so-called fake news or false news charges. that's not happening in the united states. it's happening in other countries with dictorial leaders. the point that mccain is trying to make, trump's words have impact in other countries.
>> give some of these dictators a pass. >> what they are both doing is focusing on the impact of the daily repetition of the term fake news. i have stats i'll come back with later on how many times trump has used that term. >> today is supposed to be the fake news awards? >> potentially. >> the white house hasn't confirmed that yet. >> might be like releasing his tax returns. >> still waiting on those. thank you, brian. >> thanks. all right. coming out, new fallout after two disasters at sea have been deemed completely unavoidable. you remember when this happened when 17 u.s. sailors lost their lives. a live update from barbara starr with what they have been charged with. your brain changes as you get older. but prevagen helps your brain with an ingredient
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>> earlier investigations by the navy showed the crashes were preventible. we knew that. now we know the charges and they are severe. dereliction of duty, hazarding a vessel and homicide. barbara starr is joining us now. you're talking about 17 american lives lost and now some very severe and rare charges. >> very -- not unprecedented perhaps but i've checked around. i can't find anybody in the navy who really remembers the last time this happened. negligent homicide for two commanding officers at these navy warships out in the far pacific late last year. these collisions with commercial vessels in two separate incidents killing 17 sailors. the commander officers facing charges of negligent homicide, operating a vessel in a hazardous manner, dereliction of duty and administrative punishment, if you will, also against eight additional crew
members. what the initial investigations had found is that all of this was preventible, that there were training failures and commanders should have known that these ships had problems, that the crews were not able to operate them properly, that they didn't have the training. we have senior level navy commanders already replaced at the head of surface warfare resigning now. this is very serious. these charges will now go to a preliminary hearing in the u.s. military and they are, by all accounts, headed to court-martial proceedings here in probably the washington, d.c., area for at least the initial court appearances. how this all plays out, of course, these people are presumed innocent until proven guilty but for the navy leadership, there are still so many questions about how 17 sailors could have lost their lives in these preventible
collisions. john, poppy? >> now we're seeing some of the ramifications. barbara starr, thank you very much. right now, more than 55 million of you are under winter storm warnings or advisories. this is a powerful winter storm trudging up and down the east coast. big, big, big, is the name of the game here, all the way from florida to maine. the snow and ice causing perilous travel right now. more than 600 accidents already reported on slick houston roads alone. our meteorologist jennifer gray is tracking this in the weather center. look at that car just sideways there across the highway. >> yeah, very, very icy, especially in houston. airports are going to see delays today, especially the smaller airports. some of the major ones as well, including in the northeast. stretching all the way from florida, getting ice and snow again for the second time in two months and then this is all up in the northeast as well. extremely cold temperatures behind it, also. so new york city getting snow now. boston getting snow. philly, d.c. we could see several inches of
snow in all of these cities. down in the south, it's moved out of atlanta. we've picked up an inch. it's now in the carolinas, southern georgia and florida, if you can believe it. the windchills are very, very cold. a lot of kids in the south loving the snow but not able to play in it very long because it feels like temperatures are below zero across a lot of these southern cities. pensacola, it feels like 8 for you. radar as you go forward in time, it moves on out for today. so by this evening, pretty much everyone should be wrapped up except for maybe the eastern side of north carolina, the utter banks. so high temperatures today, not even getting to freezing in a lot of cities. 23 in cincinnati. 36 in charlotte. 30 degrees your high temperature in atlanta. but there is some light at the end of the tunnel. this cold air is going to work its way out and warmer air will replace it and by sunday the mild air should stretch to the east. john and poppy?
>> jennifer gray, thank you very much. coming up, tick tock, tick tock. a key group of conservative lawmakers not sold on the current republican plan. might they derail its passage? we'll talk to one of the members of the house freedom caucus next. with adt, you can feel safe for only $49.00. that includes security panel, keypad, key fob, entry and motion sensors and for a limited time, get a camera included and installed at no additional cost.
there may not be enough republican support to get things through the house. in the senate, they need democrats to get on board. >> joining us now is congressman dave brat of virginia. he's a freedom caucus member. so our question to you, very simply and very quickly, are you a "yes" vote on that temporary spending measure? >> if we get a few other things tacked down, daca bill, president trump is out front leading on that one, if we get some reassurances that the rational policy goes side by side and some assurances on a >> that's a lot of other things. i'm talking about this one, which you may see this week, if that comes to the floor, are you going to vote yes? and i assume that means that the vote on d.r.e.a.m.ers happens later? >> that's why i said that vote is contingent upon our team taking the fight to the senate. the senate doesn't want to --
they haven't taken a vote on anything tough. they failed on health care and got tax through. no budget this year. they are not going to do a budget next year. they are going to deem a budget. they are giving up all leverage. paul ryan has done a great job on our team but unfortunately we get rolled every time we go to the senate. so we want our leadership to tell the senate, we're going in with a strong goodlatte bill. no one wants to shut down the government but in march we'll reach the real deal on a big plus up on both sides with a deficit probabilitily approaching a trillion dollars this year. i know it doesn't go into a quick sound bite but that is signature. then the daca deal has to be rational. you're not going to whip some deal together last minute. >> we don't know what the deal is. what you're saying is -- >> no. >> i think he's saying if there's strong language, if house leaders say strong things, you'll vote yes on this? >> that's right. >> understood. let's move on to daca and want
you to see, you warrant guarantees what happened after this continuing resolution if it's passed but before the march deadline. as you know the president said yesterday in his tweet, that a daca bill is -- that it's amnesty -- the democrats to be clear, democrats want in his words amnesty for all. do you feel that extending protection for d.r.e.a.m.ers, these just under 800,000 young people who came in young in this country by no fault of their own for d.r.e.a.m.ers, do you believe that is amnesty? yes or no? >> if it's a pathway to citizenship, that would be an amnesty. the goodlatte bill puts together a new status for the daca kids but puts in place policy so we don't run into this again. >> you believe any path to citizenship just for that set amount of people here, that came at the average age of 6 to this country, you do think -- that is
amnesty, right? >> i just gave you a have you clear answer. if it results in a path to citizenship it's amnesty. there's been a huge compromise already. when president trump won cnn was in meltdown crying mode the night of. they thought it was going to be devastating on this issue. we're compromising. this is a huge compromise in exchange when you compromise you usually get something in an exchange. what we want is the goodlatte bill, 20 years of rational policy, bill clinton, listen to his '95 state of the union, more right wing than the goodlatte bill, dick durbin, all of them on tape wanting the end of chain migration and stuff good for the middle class wages. that's what we're doing. bernie was more on to this economic stuff before the democrats went all in on identity politics and just trying to thrash your opponent. we can all get along. >> you said go back --
>> a great compromise. look, i agree we can all get along on many things. jeff sessions, cited a whole bunch of democrats and what they said on immigration. attorney general jeff sessions said this about immigration. >> what good does it do to bring someone who is illiterate in their only country and no skills and will struggle in our country and not be successful? that is not what a good nation should do. we need to get away from it. >> what exactly do you think he's saying and do you agree with it? >> it's hard to put it quick. when you're talking about asylum, i taught economics for 20 years and worked at the world bank on poverty and education for the poorest of the poor and if you're talking asylum for political refugees that's a different issue than an immigration policy. if you go look at london right now, paris, france, sweden, the
netherlands, they are being devastated and have total chaos and parts where the police can't go. we're approaching that. we're having sanctuary cities and sanctuary states where the law doesn't apply anymore. you're see being the beginning trickles of the european end game. when people see what it's like to live without the police in their communities, they are not going to like that. we're being rational and let's not go there. >> let's hit on very specific words from the attorney general yesterday and get you to address those. what good does it do to bring someone in the country who's it literate and who has no skills and not going to be auk sesful in this country? i can rattle off for you folks that have come to this country not speaking english, including my inlaws, or rodriguez's parents, on the show earlier today, who have become very successful and our question is when you look at these stats and those born in africa who come to this country and have college degrees, it's 42%, it's higher than native born americans with
32% who have bachelor's degrees. do you agree with his assessment that those people have no skill that are from those countries that will not be successful in this country? >> no, the data -- i don't think that's what he's saying but on your own argument, if one of the greatest problems of subharan africa -- the moral thing wouldn't be to take out the cream of the crop, the only people that are set up and equipped and have some relative power to fight against the -- then leave folks in poverty. that's been the 40 year problem. the world bank and all of them have done everything good except for focusing on one thing to solve the problem, that's economic growth. they focus on all of these other issues but business they can't get their head around being pro business and pro economic growth. and if you don't crack that one, those people who are all children of god, right, the
chinese, indian, they are all children of god. i went to seminary, we want what's best for every person on the planet. the formula is simple in this country. we have the christian tradition which led into the rule of law. if you're really lucky you get adam smith. you do those three, you're rich. we need to spread that cookbook to the rest of the world and enrich everybody. there's no upper bound on economic growth. there's no upper bound on what everybody can achieve working together. let's do it. >> congressman, sadly, we're out of time. we would like to talk to you about james mattis and much more in the future. >> yes, let's do it. >> what you mean by children of god and how you square that with the blank hole countries the president talked about. sadly that has to be for next time. >> next time, you bet. thank you, guys. >> an episode of my favorite show, the west wing has less drama than what's happening on capitol hill today. house speaker paul ryan said to speak in a high stakes game of chicken over the federal
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