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continues to be pushed to the brink. the report notes that as nations turn inwards it will make it more difficult to combat climate change stressing the importance of collaboration. food for thought for many around the world, and inside the trump white house, we hope. after all, this report comes before the president delivers his speech at the world economic forum in switzerland this week where he will surely advise countries to put themselves first. the answer to my gps question is b. 36.5% of u.s. adults are obese according to the cdc making it the country with the highest percentage of obese adults in the entire developed world. an estimate is americans spend $149 billion a year on related medical costs. trump's doctor said he discussed diet and exercise with the president who was less enthusiastic about the latter. if you like the gps challenge,
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you will love the gps challenge that we have launched on line. every sunday we will post 10 questions that will challenge your knowledge. world. i encourage you to see how well you do. go to quiz. thanks. the i will see you next week. -- captions by vitac -- our weekly look at the story behind the story of how the media really works and how the nude gets made. what a difference a year makes. or does it, actually. here we are on the first anniversary of president trump's inauguration. witnessing a government shutdown, the u.s. is once again embarrassed in the eyes of the world and a lot of americans are looking at each other asking, can't we do knany better than this. let me ask you at home. do you know how we got here? do you feel like the press has
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explained the stalemate well? do you know who to believe? who to trust? these are urgent questions. attacks on the news media led by the president are bound toe continto continue. when he calls real news fake, he's really telling you not to trust sources he doesn't personal personally approve of. how will this affect the ongoing russia investigations? will the country ever get to the bottom of it? will the country ever get over the election? maybe not if people remain trapped in media bubbles. really media bunkers, only hearing what they already believe. as trump begins a second year, it's a good time to ask? phenomenon getting better or worse? how much responsibility to media and tech companies have to burst your bubble? speaking of that, speaking of bubbles, will president trump continue to shun tv networks not named fox? he did give this interview to
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reuters earlier in the week. will he double down on his use of twitter to rally his base? will he continue to deny reality and distort facts on a daily basis? will alternative facts continue to reign? and will trust in the media continue to erode. according to a new poll, 40% -- more than 40%, 45% see a great deal of bias in the news media. let's look at this next question about fact and opinion. only 32% of americans think news outlets are careful to separate fact from opinion. well those numbers get better or worse? in the year ahead. as we look ahead to the midterms. those are some questions to begin trump's second year and to begin our show today. and actually, here's one more. what is the bigger story this weekend? is it the government shutdown or is it actually the women's march? let's take a look at how this story has been covered. both of them.
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it's been a split screen weekend. you can see on all the cable news channels, pictures of the marches on one side, washington disfunction on the other side. hundreds of thousands of people have been mayweathrching in the streets. and there are more protests scheduled for later today. this is a significant ongoing story. these protests against the trump presidency. so joining me now and to talk through all this, the two big stories of the weekend. an all-star panel. jeff green field. cnn historian and professor doug las brinkley. and charlotte author. the story about the first time female candidates, almost all democrats trying to now run for office partly as a response to the trump presidency. charlotte, first to you, i saw you were sharing pictures from the protests yesterday. you noticed out there on the
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march rout routes people holding up your magazine cover which must have been an unusual sight. what city was that in and what did it mean to you to see your story being held up like that? >> i mean that particular image that you just shared, that was from the bay area march. people were sending me photos from the upper west side, from dallas. i have to say i was covering the march yesterday and didn't see them myself. they were sent to me by other people. but it was interesting to see a story kind of resonate, and people hold up that image as a symbol of what's happening here. >> what's the most important takeaway from your cover story? we had women's marches one year ago this weekend, and now a second round this weekend. >> i think the most important takeaway is the march is just the tip of the of the ice burg,
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the crest of the waeve. it's not like the women are marching and going home and doing nothing. they're running or if you're a in the running, organizing, if not, they're getting everyone they know to vote. the women's march organization is launching a new voter r registration program called power to the polls. this is not -- this is a cultural moment but also a political -- like a political revolution. that's what these activists are trying to achieve here. >> so douglas brinkley, what's the biggest story this weekend? >> i think they're both large, but of course the shutdown's quite dominant. of if you can't have the federal government running this week, we're in deep trouble. nobody knows how long the shutdown's going to be. everybody's intrenched and dug
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in. you can foresee if the shutdown lasts this entire week it might start affecting the world market place. stock market will be in question. not to mention lives on the line in the military, due to health benefits not being serviced properly. et cetera. so we're in the middle of the -- the trump shutdown is a gigantic story, but i think it works nicely with the women's movement because just like trump's inauguration, it counter split screens with the women's march. now with the shutdown. yet again the women are showing it wasn't a one trick pony. >> i really have been struck by the size of these protests. maybe i had low expectations myself thinking it wasn't going to be that big a deal on the one-year anniversary. the pictures told the story in a strong way. there's always this debate about how to cover protests, how much attention to give.
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the march for life was in washington the other day. some conservatives feel it didn't get enough attention. some liberals feel the tea party got more attention than these women's marches. >> i think the first thing to say is that if you are committed to one side of the political argument, you are always going to feel that there are more of you and that the media have not given you props. my own feeling is that the fact that the second year saw this kind of turnout clearly merits major press attention. but i think, as doug pointed out, the consequence of a government shutdown is so monumental in political terms. it demonstrates so clearly how the norms have just disappeared. that i think it would be wrong to say well, we really have to focus more on one or the other. actually, i was thinking of the old story about the jewish mother gives her son a red shirt
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and blue shirt and the mother says what, you didn't like the other one. there's even in a 24-hour cable news universe, there's only so much time and you've got two major stories. they're both being covered in the correct way. they both demonstrate one of the things that the year of trump has brought to us, which is this enormous increase in intensity. the political feelings on both sides run so deep, and so powerfully that they bring millions into the street and bring government to a halt. >> it's the great divide. it's visible this weekend. on our tv screens in a way it rarely becomes so visible. so obvious. charlotte, back to you on this topic of washington versus outside washington. i think there's so much attention around all things trump. is it your feeling as a reporter covering this protest movement that some of these first-time female candidates feel like they don't get enough media oxygen?
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i mean, brian i think these are essentially two sides of the same story. one way to look at this is that trump's struggles to legislate from the health care bill to the jfk protests, that led to the first injunction against the travel ban, trump's struggles are victories for this resistance movement that is largely led by women. so every time -- many of trump's political obstacles are his own. he's in some ways his own worst enemy. some of his struggles are actually victories for this movement that has been organizing against him. i would actually lump the shoutdown in wishou shutdown with that. the one of the reasons it's been so hard to get a compromise about immigration is that this left wing protest movement is
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insisting on a clean dream act. they do not want democrats to compromise on immigration, and i think there assess an argument to be made we might have seen a compromise by now if there were not all of these activists who were flooding the phone lines insisting that schumer not sell out the dreamers. >> and this entire year, looking ahead between now and november, it's all about the intersection of this debate in washington and the me too movement and the women's marches, it's about the intersection of those two stories. charlotte changes for being here. by the way, for more from charlotte check out our weekly reliable sources podcast on itunes. after the break, backlash against the "new york times." they decided to hand over the editorial page to trump supporters. talking about that and later, a panel of white house correspondents here to review trump's first year and look ahead to the second. for senior care a place with 24-hour valet service
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my life was saved by a two week old targeted therapy drug. that's what really drives me to- to save lives. welcome back to reliable sources. how will history remember jeff flake? 's the gop senator who's become an ardent critic of president trump. this week he was blasted by white house aides and fox for leading the media bashing behavior. he feels more free to talk this way because he's not running for reelection. he's given a series of speeches. his first subject was the free
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press. >> 2017 was a year that saw the truth. more battered and abused thank at any time in the history of our country at the hands of the most powe powerful figure in our government. so, in twg2018 must be the year which the truth takes a stand against power that would weaken it. >> but will it? really? let me ask two other questions. the on this anniversary weekend, how has president trump changed the media in the past year? and how has the media changed him? joining me now is douglas brinkley back with me actually. joining me now olivia, washington correspondent for new york magazine. olivia you get the first word. do you think the president has been fundamentally changed by this president? >> well i think that donald trump has revealed issues that
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already existed in the press. he's also prompted a lot of self-reflecting and debate amongst the press about how best to cover him. things maybe we didn't talk about before or we didn't analyze too closely before. i think that can be a good thing. i think it can be a bit of a distraction. but i don't really know that the president has changed the media. he's not changing the way that people are reporting. every is doing their jobs the same way. they're investigating the same way. i think he has made everyone's attention span shorter. there's that saying about trump i think others have said. he makes everybody a little bit like him. i think that's true to some extent about the press core as well. we all have that short attention span the way he does because we're trying to keep up with him. as for whether or not we've change the him, i think if anything we've made him even trumpier than he was on day one
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of the presidency. >> doesn't he make more news outlets more profane and crass as well. look at the banners and curse words in them because he used one in the oval office. maybe that's your point about making everything a little trumpier. >> in the way we're reflecting what we're covering. things have change the since the obama administration. >> on your point about attention spans, douglas brinkley, as an historian, in any other presidential term wouldn't a story about an allege the payoff about a porn star weeks before an election received blanket wall to wall oh, my god attention? >> absolutely. it's been stunning how little that's been charovered. the combination of this shows you somebody who's deeply misogynist and out of touch with what the women's movement is and it tells you why you have people
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protesting on the one year anniversary, why women are so energized. we thought because hillary clinton was the democratic nominee that 2016 was going to be the year of the woman but i think it's going to be 2020. i say that because it will be the 100th anniversary of women's suffrage. i think you're starting to see this real wave of women saying that donald trump's behavior towards women is unacceptable. >> what's your view on the coverage or lack of coverage on stormy l stormy daniels? i think -- i have the sense if this were any other president it would be an overwhelming news story in a way it hasn't been. >> that's true of so many things with donald trump where he does something wrong that in any other administration could have taken that down.
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but in donald trump's, it's just a wednesday. but i think it's absolutely true of stormy daniels. i can't imagine how this would be covered if it was barack obama's administration or george w. bush's administration. but donald trump has done so many scandals like this that it it kind of has a tiring effect on all of us. it is being covered. i think there's so much news. le we sort of have a lack of attention to dough vote to all of the different topics that we are covering right now. >> can -- >> we can't underestimate the audience. even if journalists are exhausted. >> i think that the public is the same way. i don't think it's just the media. there's so much going on. the russian investigation, the government shutdown, the president's agenda, which is getting through in sort of an ame anemic way. all these different things that
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would be taking over weeks or months in any other administration but all happening at once. the i think everyone is sort of struggling to figure out where to turn their head at any given moment. >> professor brinkley, about the idea that maybe the president has been changed by the media, do you buy into that idea at all? do you see any signs of that? i wonder if when he reads the "new york times," when he watches cnn, if he gets frustrated by all of us pointing out his flaws and factual inaccuracies and makes him listen to fox and friends and only pay attention to his base, has the press affected the president? >> well just one thing about stormy daniels. she's going on a pornography tour now so she may be tracking in the press. donald trump is a narcissist, someone who's constantly looking to see his name on anything. the he believes bad press at least you're talking donald trump. i don't think it's changed him
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any, but he's made a terrible miscalculation of having the quote per history that the press is the enemy of the people associated to his name and he lets all the crit inc.s get to him. he feels he's getting punctured by fiery darts everywhere he turns, the people like theodore roosevelt or ronald reagan would not read the press to that degree. they'd float above it and try to coopt them. he wants to turn his base social media base against individual reporters. it's in some cases life threatening to reporters. >> i think that's true but i think it's a little more complicated than that. because he does want to create enemies but at the same time craves approval. you see in michael wolff's book for instance. he hates the "new york times." yet he's preoccupied with when he's going to speak to them next. he wants the approval of the "new york times." i think he probably wants the
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approval of cnn even while disparaging them on twitter on an almost daily basis. think it's a complicated thing we're trying to unpack here about his interior life. i don't know if we ever will. >> on that note, stick around. thank you for being here this morning. when we come back a question you have opinions on. why are so many people on the left outraged when need ya outlets, including this one, dare to air the opinions of trump supporters?
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are trump supporters still supporting trum?
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this has been a frequent feature of news coverage for the past year. focus groups, interview, panels, stories, all about why trump vote ares are till with him. some liberals hate it. they say they're wasting time. they're practically in a cult. signed up with a race and never going to change. that's what liberal critics say. on the other side there's concern these features sometimes treat voters like a species. >> we're one year. the one year in. >> how is he doing? >> fantastic. great. better than i would have dreamt. >> industries are booming. >> he's playing three level chess. versus everybody wells playing checkers. >> he's like tenacious sometimes and says things off-the-cuff like we do. >> i think i'd be a fool not to
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vote for him again unless somebody better cups along. >> sts specifically because he is unpopular. but because he's so unpopular some people do not want to hear it. that's why the new york sometimes decision to devote thursday's editorial page to letters from president trump supporters was such a big talker. all of these letters. the it was a decision by the times to want to hear those voices, and what did i see on social media? i saw a lot of people saying i don't want to hear it. i'm cancelling my subscription. i can't take it. it's been something that's cup up again and again all year long. >> joining me now the president of the center for american progress. and back with me is jeff greenfield. long-time political analyst and former network correspondent. you were one of the many people weighing in on thursday. why do you think you've had
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enough of hearing from trump voters? >> i actually think it's fine to hear from trump voters. i think the challenge is that we don't hear enough of the resistance. you have a march yesterday, which shows over a million people gathering after a march a year ago of 4 million people gathering. i'm all for listening but there is a -- there is a quality of this reporting which is to the exclusion of other voices. the majority in this country oppose trump. it seems to me the "new york times" or other sources could at least have equal expression for those voices. >> jeff, what do you think? >> well, if if you are regular reader of the "new york times," for the last two and a half years you have gotten a full dose of view that donald trump is held unfit to become
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president. at least four op ed pieces. saying is he utterly unfit to be president. i thought it was useful for one day for the "new york times" to present views of people who say you know what? we know he has problems. but here's why we're for him. i always thought that one of the terrible mistakes of 2016 from the point of view of the democrats was to kind of assume, and i think a lot in the press did too that trump so violated everything we thought about norms of the candidate that there was no chance he would be elected. it's important to know that there are people not imbued with nati nativist or racial grievance issues who see a guy who's delivering for them. i just did a piece yesterday for pbs only talking with
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conservatives. some of whom are absolutely unremittingly against him on grounds of character. this is the kind of dialogue that i think we need. the one last thing, it would be really useful if once, say sean hannity would put somebody on "fox news" to say this russian story has some serious parts to it. and there are parts about his behavior that really ought to disturb people. i'm waiting for that and i'm not holding my breath. >> can i say one thing? i do think the talk about 2016, i think this is really the issue. i think a lot of news outlets did not expect donald trump to win and basically think of going back again and again and again to his supporters. >> so what are they overcompensating? >> i think there is a level of overcompensation here to say, you know, exactly why did they still support him. i think that this notion that
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how could you still support him after this is a kind of little bit of a bias. look, he's president of the united states. you has supporters. i think a lot of liberals would like to see coverage of equal or even greater value or time to the people who are in the streets marching against him. i appreciate the "new york times" editorial page is doing this, but it also needs other outlets need to do other voices as well. >> i thought it was great to see this morning on "new day." there was a conversation with a group of black female voters, not your typical trump supporters shall we say. that's an example of hearing from a wide variety of people. i see people on twitter and facebook say i don't remember obama supporters being interviewed in focus groups. it's because he was never as unpopular as trump is right now.
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and isn't there an element of lin recall intolerance here when people say they can't stand to hear from trump voters anymore? >> i don't think the issue -- i think liberal's complaint is not that we can't hear from a single person. like there's a whole network devoted to the views of trump and his supporters. it's called fok"fox news," but think the issue is does the mainstream media want to cover both voices, the people marching on the streets as well as the people sporting donald tru people supporting donald trump. when you have a variety of outlets that continue to go to the voices of one side, i think people -- liberals are general legitimately asking questions about that. >> jeff? >> well, i remember talking years ago to a united states senator who would go home and watch msnbc.
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i said why do you do that? and i was told it's like sinking into a nice warm bath. and i think on both sides of the divide, people are sinking into nice warm baths to reconfirm what they believe. the idea that when i watch cnn sometimes, i think i expect the indictment on donald trump to be imminent, because the focus on russian collusion and that issue is very strong. and if you turn on msnbc, you're going to get pretty much a nightly dose of the prosecutor's case against donald trump. god knows when you turn on "fox news" and prime time you know what you're going to get. i must say i think the idea of stepping back and saying, hmm, how did the most unlikely and, in my view, most unfit person for the presidency ever get elected requires some deep understanding of what's going on. and that's one of the reasons i think why you do see people going back and saying to people
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who flipped from obama to trump say where are you now. i have to say i think one of the reasons the democratic party is in the state it's in which is its lowest ebb since the 1920's is because is had a kind of blind spot. it could not believe people were going to vote in a way they could not conceive of voting for. >> this is like the debate that goes on over and over and over again. it's impossible for donald trump to have won so he did win, so we have to go back to his supporters and -- if you don't, you are suffering from the indictment of 2016. if you're a person who thought he could win, this whole situation is less shocking. no one is saying don't talk to the people who voted for him. sure. but you know there -- i think a lot of people. >> there's a lot saying do not interview trump supporters. >> the reasonable position here is if you're going to interview these people, let's interview
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the people that went from donald trump to voting for doug jones. let's interview the people who don't support donald trump who used to support him. let's have a big picture of what's happening. the current in american politics today is a strong majority is forming against donald trump. i think the media should cover both of these things and say, hey, why did this happen, but also what is this new phenomenon happening, which is lots of people are coming into politics to oppose the trump administration. those people should have a voice too. >> thank you so much. >> i think exactly -- >> okay. >> go ahead, jeff. >> i think that's exactly what the journalistic community ought to be doing. they are. you want to find out whether they're going to be with him in the next november. that's an important story. >> okay. the new york sometimes should hand over its page to their
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voices as well. >> let's get to work. >> thank you so much. up next here, trump versus the press core, we're going to talk about three white house correspondents looking back at the combative start of the trump presidency showing no signs of letting up. this is what the president said a year ago tomorrow. >> as you know, i have a running war with the media. they are among the most dishonest human beings on earth. k overtime when i can get it. i need my blood sugar to stay in control. so i asked about tresiba®. ♪ tresiba® ready ♪ tresiba® is a once-daily, long-acting insulin that lasts even longer than 24 hours. i need to cut my a1c. ♪ tresiba® ready ♪ tresiba® works like my body's insulin. releases slow and steady. providing powerful a1c reduction. my week? hectic. my weekends? my time. ♪ tresiba® ready ♪ i can take tresiba® any time of day.
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trump is like a raging storm that never blows itself out. that's what a team of cnn reporters said. for this story on it attempted to sum up everything that happened in the first year. the scroll goes on and on. the reporters wrote that trump's early morning twitter rants trigger outrage that is obliterate traditional political debate and weeks feel like months and months feel like
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years, does that feel true to you? obviously reporters cover every individual statement, every controversy, but i wonder if we're doing enough to connect all the different dots, to pull it together for a bewildered public. i went through a database called fact base to see just how many times the president used the word fake in his first 12 months in office. fake news, fake media, fake polls. he says it all the time. but even i was surprised by the total number. he has said the term fake more than 400 times since he was ininaugurat ininaugurated. that word powerful in his p repetition. it erodes trust in the media. let's talk about it a panel of white house correspondents who are in the briefing room. april ryan. also chief political columnist
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and new york magazine's as well. april, i wonder what you would sort of say to review year one as we look ahead to year two. the what would you say has been the success or the failure of the white house press corps? well, the success of the white house press corps is we continue to do our job and we continue to do our job. we have the white house correspondent's association that represents us. but there has been a war on the press by the white house led by this president. and you said a very big word that really rez nsonateresonate. the when you said it's poisonous, because it is. i've talked to other reporter, death threats, being on the road sometimes, some the reporters are saying at a moment's notice the crowd could turn. just recently -- >> april, let me ask you.
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you just said death threats for reporti reporting? >> yeah. death threats. yes. for asking questions and reporting. yes. yes. >> that's for you personally? >> it's real. me personally. what do you do? you talk to your company and your company has the fbi, the local police on speed dial. just for asking questions. i mean, people are taking this to a whole other degree. we've been doing this for a long time. same questions i've asked this president i've asked other presidents. but brian, the only question that i've never asked a president and no one else has, are you racist. but still, we have -- we are ingrained in the first amendment pre dom of the press. there is a back and forth for a reason. powerful fourth estate. this separates us from russia,
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china, and third world countries, that have a problem. they govern the press. we are free and independent. and there's some people to include this president who feels we should not ask questions. but going back to what i said, we have -- we've been under attack this year. and even when i asked that question about mr. president, are you a racist, i was asking a question. the i was not condemning. i was asking. because there's a groundswell. and what happens is we are the conduit. we hear and throw it back to the white house and they use us to throw back to the american public. but, this -- while i was in the roosevelt room that day, there was someone, a minister, who chas tis chastised me and you can hear it on tafor asking question. >> >> he told me i shouldn't have asked the question. >> john, is it as dire as april portrays it? >> i don't necessarily agree
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with april. i do think this being sunday, perhaps the administration might take a lesson from the book of isaiah when it deals with reporters. come now, let us reason together. and i think there could be a little bit more camaraderie there and a little more -- and less confrontation. sometimes over little things, such as the way that words are phrased. it seems right now the response of one side to the other is from the next burst of isaiah, if he refuse and rebel, he shall be devoured by the sword for the mouth of the lord hath spoken. it seems to be very rang chorus at this point and we could do with a few more laughs, if you will. or a little bit more warmth. i know april will recall, we had a lot of fun just before thanksgiving telling what we were thankful for, and while
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some didn't like the exercise. >> you had fun. >> we were laughing. i did. and you gave a very good answer. >> you had fun. it was -- >> i didn't give that answer. i felt that was condescending. but the press secretary since said she felt she wanted to break the ice. she felt she wanted to break the ice and thought it was going to be taken in a way we could all laugh about it. but for some of us, it felt like we were puppets. she explained her side. and i explained my side about that. we had a conversation about it. but both sides didn't see eye to eye, but she called herself what she told me she was trying to do something good. but it didn't come off that way. >> didn't come off that way to some. >> i'm thankful for the three of you. right after a quick break here. nobody knows it's you. e (toots) but you know it's you. so know this. the activated charcoal in charco caps adsorbs gas
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back on ""reliable sources."" talking about president trump's accessibility, he gave an interview to reuters this week. hasn't done any interviews since late november. there's the super bowl. historically, obama sat down with an interviewer on super bowl sunday. and bill o'reilly of all people had a super bowl sunday sitdown. do you think he might be skipping the super bowl interview this year? because variety has reported that so far he has not committed to doing one. >> he is unpredictable. but it does seem like a safe bet, he's been throughout the last year, excluding his fox news interview, every time he e's made a television interview,
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he's made a bunch of news, so his aides are correctly steering him away from doing that. we see this when the pool reporters are in the oval office and he won't stop answering questions even when his own aides are yelling at reporters to leave. >> if you could be asking the president a single question, during a government shutdown, what would be the most important question to be asking the president? >> the question is are you going to stay firm like every house republican wants you to, and then give a clue what you'll negotiate about when the government opens or are you going to cave. that's the question that everyone is wondering it be
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today. >> what's your question right now? >> i don't have one question, i want an interview with him, i want to have a one-on-one interview with him. th that's my question, will you grant me an interview? >> and so far, we have seen him speak only to fox and other murdock news outlets. to our panel, thank you so much for being here and all of you for tuning in to "reliable sources" this sunday, make sure you follow our nightly newsletter. you can sign up now, it's free, on while you're there, you can check out all of our stories about media coverage in the entertainment world, the business world, all of that is in i'm heading to the playoff game tonight, the patriots versus the
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shutdown showdown. tension on capitol hill following the government shutdown. >> this is utter madness. >> and the blame game heats up. republicans calling out democrats. >> irresponsible, political games. >> that's why we call it the schumer shutdown. >> democrats pointing the finger at president trump. >> no one deserves the blame more than president trump. >> how much longer will this go