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leadership. but the cia director would not say how the agency is going about that. wolf? >> good point. thanks very much, barbara star, reporting for us. that's it for me. thanks very much for watching. i'm wolf blitzer in "the situation room." erin burnett "outfront" starts right now. "outfront" special news mueller wants to talk to trump. zeroing in on firing of flynn and comey. is mueller preparing a case for obstruction of justice? plus republicans pushing to let a memo out and trump may be backing them. and a major leader says trump gets a, quote, mulligan for alleged a fair with a porn star. tony perkins will be our guest tonight. let's go "outfront." good evening i'm erin burnett. "outfront" tonight breaking news wanted for questioning.
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special counsel wants to talk to the president of the united states in the next few weeks, that's according to the "washington post." and what's telling this hour is what robert mueller wants to talk about him about it. a source close to the investigation saying is mueller is seeking to determine whether there is a pattern of behavior by the president. first we knee mueller wants to talk about the firing of the former fbi director comey. according to the post, remember the white house said he was dismissed because of the email. but now we know it was because of the russia investigation. >> do you believe the russia investigation played a role? >> in why i was fired? >> yes. >> yes. because i've seen the president say so. >> okay. he did say the president say sochlt because the president of the united states in his own words explained that the reason he fired comey was bausz comey
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wouldn't bow to his pressure about russia. >> regardless of recommendation, i was going to fire comey, knowing there was no good time to do it. in fact when i decided today do it, i said to myself, you know, this russia thing with trump and russia is a made up story. it's an excuse by the democrats for strg lost an election that they should have won. >> now, the post also reports mueller wants to talk about the pressure the president put on jeff sessions to step down after he recused himself. so, again, i'll give you president trump. here he is six months after sessions recused himself from the investigation. >> i am disappointed in the attorney general. he should not have recused himself. almost immediately after he took office. and if he was going to recuse himself, he should told me prior to taking office and i would
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have quite simply picked somebody else. >> pressure on comey. pressure on sessions. now, we have learned today that both comey and sessions have also been interviewed for hours by robert mueller. but trump's questionable pattern of behavior, again the word here pattern, when it comes to the russia probe does not end with jim comey and jeff sessions. we are learning that the fbi christopher wray hand picked choice threatened to quit because he felt so much pressure to reassign the deputy director andrew mccabe. now, trump denied that. but we know trump is putting pressure on mccabe who he feels is biased against him. started last year with this, why didn't he do this, drain the
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swamp. trump then kept up the pressure just a month ago, fbi director andrew mccabe is racing the clock. and saying anxious for the investigation to wrap up. with this call from robert mueller seems like they have all their ducks in a row. you don't interview the head until you check all the tails. sara murray out front tonight. what more can you tell us? >> i think when you look at this, not really a surprise. obviously we know the firing of james comey is it a key element in mueller's investigation into whether president trump tried to obstruct justice. but take another look at michael flynn. remember, national security adviser ousted after lying sanction ws the russian ambassador including lying to
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vice president. so mueller can see that into ha window into any collusion along the way by the high ranking trump officials and other officials. we know he pleaded guilty to the fbi. but when you talk about the time line for mueller to meet with the president. "the washington post" says the coming weeks, that could mean in twi weeks, in two months. so not clear exactly what time line we could be operating under here. i think one thing though that you can certainly draw the conclusion of is, look, this mueller investigation is in full swing and clearly has no reservations about bringing in bigger targets. as you pointed out already spoken with james comey who took these notes of his meetings and discussions with the president. and then moving on to jeff sessions a sitting attorney general, recused himself, but
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was with the president throughout. but tells you mueller is not afraid of bringing in these big fish as you continues to move through the investigation. but the big question is does he get the sit down with the president and when will it happen. >> thank you very much. that is the ultimate question. "outfront" now carry cordero, and richard painter. tim, let me start with you. a lot of breaking news when we talk about the fbi director threatening to quit because of pressure from the president. but now the news president trump could be interviewed by robert mueller in the coming weeks. >> yes. and then you'll know candidate trump his predilection was saying that he couldn't remember
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anything. that's going to be harder to pull off because these are events that happened only a year ago. and mueller and his team are very professional. so the issue for the president and his team is how account president dancan the president dance through these questions? so you have issue of perjury if he doesn't tell the truth. he's going to be asked about what flynn knew and don junior after meeting with the russians and possible money laundering. >> and so many questions. and to the point that tim just raised, that not recalling. the president has said that he has quote one of the greatest memories of all times. in a deposition he did not remember, trump university, that was in december 2015. in another trump university
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deposition he said 24 times that he did not recall. will that fly with bob mueller, carry? >> well, the special counsel's team is made up of really experienced prosecutors and they have a team of investigators. so clearly if they conduct an interview, that's a very different setting with the powers of law enforcement than even an adversarial civil deposition. but we don't really know exactly if the reports are true that he had are getting closer to interviewing the president. we don't know at this point whether or not the special counsel's team intends to interview the president solely about obstruction related matters or whether they plan to conduct more whole some interview that gets into all these other categories that the investigation may be covering. >> so, richard, we went back and watched one of trump's old depositions today. just to get a sense for how he is. because the big question is it how much is this going to be interview one on one where the president will be forced to
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answer questions. or how much of it will be allowed to be written in fact lawyers can fact check it and do it and totally different proposition. here the president is in a deposition where he's answering the question. he's asked a question about how the presidential campaign may have had a positive effect on his businesses. and i want to play a little bit of his answer. >> and do you attribute that to the extent it has an affect is because people associate you with the hotels and they want to be a part of your political campaign to the extent they are favorably disposed? >> well, maybe success of the campaign. people have said there has never been anything like this. owe really said the other night something to the effect this is one of the great phenomenas he's ever seen in his lifetime. you know, so i mean it's been pretty amazing. you have 17 people. and i end up at the top of one of the two parties. a lot of wins. we have beat ina lot of people. >> all right.
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so richard goes off on a tangent. but that's part of it. but that's trump. extreme consciousness. it's about trump. it's about how great he is. he's a winner. a personal interview is very different proposition than written testimony. >> well, in any event, robert mueller is going to want answers to his questions. not tangents or discussions of what president trump saw on fox news, which he gave in that deposition testimony. he's going to want answers to his questions. and those answers had better be truthful answers or the president is going to be in a heap of trouble. that's the first thing. second, the president does have serious exposure here to object instruction of justice charges just based on the evidence that's in the public domain. and you've just played a lot of it right now.
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and so he is in legal jeopardy going into this interview, this discussion with robert mueller. and the other thing is it's so obvious why jeff sessions had to recuse. he was a witness in the matter. he himself has had discussions with robert mueller, has been interviewed by robert mueller as a witness. and the idea that president trump thinks that his attorney general who participated in the campaign, met with the russians, forgot about meeting with the russians under oath, and now is a witness in this matter would somehow unrecuse and squash the russian investigation is yet more evidence that this president simply wants to obstruct justice. >> i mean, tim, here's the thing. we talk about the attorney general. so now we know the president they want to talk to the president. they have already, they are now saying, for hours interviewed
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the former fbi jim comey and also the attorney general jeff sessions. now jeff sessions has used i don't recall tactic in congress. three testimonies about the russian investigation. and here's just a few of the times. i think we counted dozens. but here's a few. >> i don't recall is that, senator, i still do not recall it. >> i don't recall it now. >> i just don't have a real recall of the meeting. >> i don't recall. >> i don't recall. >> i don't recall. >> i don't recall that conversation. >> i don't recall how that exactly occurred. >> i don't recall. >> okay. i mean, it's almost humorous of course it isn't. so better to say i have a terrible memory here. i have alzheimer's, i don't remember. >> grand jury testimony, what
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they do is show you documents, and they say does this help tu remember? can we talk to you about this? so what they would do, what they couldn't do in congress, because they don't have the subpoena, but didn't use the subpoena power, mueller's people have documents and can say perhaps we can help refresh your memory. do you recall, then they may have looked at diary. >> so completely prepared for this. >> my friends were lawyers always told me as a lawyer you never ask a question which you don't have already. >> you have it built up already. >> yes. >> according to cnn poll today democrats and republicans do think trump should testify under oath about russia. so that is bipartisan point of view. if mueller wants you in there, you get in there. but, this is crucial but, the cnn poll says 75% of republicans say it's effort to discredit the trump presidency. does this takeaway mean whatever mueller's ultimate conclusion
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is, it will not be fully accepted by the american people? >> that's a judgment for the political folks to weigh in on. and whether or not it's legitimate, i think that bob mueller, he was the fbi director for 12 years, he has incredible amount of credibility and assembled incredible team. so from my prpic spiff having observed him for many years as fbi director, no reason anybody should doubt the credibility of his investigation. and the word you mentioned at the beginning of the program with respect to his looking at a pattern of obstruction really is the key. because it's not just about the firing of jim comey. it's about the pressuring of jeff sessions to recuse. it's about a series of things that the president has done over the period of 11 to 12 months that have had the effect of
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trying to derail the russia investigation, the flynn investigation, and the related investigation. >> richard? >> well, i think this is a very serious situation for president trump and for this administration. we had a foreign power conduct criminal activity in the united states and espionage, meetings in the trump tower with representatives of the russian government. there are other contacts made with the russians. there clearly was collaboration. the question was whether the collaboration was illegal. but the president has his exposure to obstruction of just cities charge because he repeatedly tried to derail this investigation. and i would have to say that the majority of the american people take it very seriously, many people don't identify with other political party because they are sick and tired of the partisanship. but they take this very seriously. when a foreign government interferes with our elections, conducts espionage here, and the president of the united states
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doesn't want to take it seriously. >> all right. thank you all. and next the breaking news the white house now weighing in on the controversial republican memo about the fbi, whether to be released to the public. plus chuck schumer takes back offer to trump on the wall. are we back to 0 to immigration? on the way to count down. and trump evangelical leader tony perkins will be "outfront." >> erin burnett "outfront" brought to you by ovya helping you through retirement. retirement... to and h ...with solutions to help provide income throughout. i get that voya is with me through retirement, i'm just surprised it means in my kitchen. oh.
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the intelligence community to go after president trump. democrats have argued that it is nothing but strewn together not based in fact going so far it could harm the relationship between congress and intelligence community. if it is approved for declassification by the house, the white house has noted the president is inclined to declassify it. however, before it has to go through review, as well as national security review, and presents some hurdles, because potentially another agency could find details with the report and can the whole thing. we should note the president has far ranging broad powers of declassification. he could potentially get around this entire pros stes and release the memo himself. however, a source at the white house has told us that the president prefers to go through the proper channels and do it
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right. >> thanks. good to have you back with me. >> nice to be here. >> you just heard our source telling the cnn inclined to release devon nunes memo. do you want to see it released? >> i'm hesitant to is he it released and i've read it and as far as i know only members of the intelligence committee read the source. >> you had to go in a room or something? >> secret room. more to the point i read the source documents and i can't comment on this except to say it is profoundly misleading based on the source documents. it's a statements mostly of opinion and of distortions. writt written entirely by partisan staff. and if you read the source documents and they are highly classified, you would know it is highly misleading and deliberately misleading. now if they were to declassify
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the source documents that would be a different story. >> so if they were to declassify source documents you would be fine with it? >> i don't think that would be fine. leave that up to the cia. >> but if they were, all came as a package, you would feel differently? >> then you would see this is a profoundly misleading and dis on test memo of conclusions. and it's a political document pure and simple designed for one purpose, and that is to discredit and dis able the fbi and the justice department and part of a long-term campaign by the republicans and administration and some of the republicans in congress to disable and dis credit any agency that is involved in the investigation with the president. >> and this is obviously about the fbi, right? >> fbi, yes. >> so i guess the question i have is if the claims in the memo are based on opinion, and they are partisan, and written by republicans only. >> and they misrepresent the
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source documents which are classified. >> okay. so this may partially get to how you'll answer this question. but my point is if the document itself is a lie. then it wouldn't hold up to public scrutiny because it would not hold up to the truth. >> not necessarily. >> why not let it out there? >> because it's very dangerous to let out a document that purports to represent other documents when those documents are secret. in other words, you are saying this is the conclusion. if you saw those documents you would know we were telling the truth. of course you can't see those documents. >> so in other words you are saying the memo may not look like a lie in the public eye? >> it may not. >> because you can't get to the source documents. >> right. >> so source document that you think is the issue? >> documents. >> plural. and you've seen all of those. >> uh-huh. >> i want to turn to the other
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top story tonight which robert mueller. "washington post" is saying trump team wants interview. >> do you think it's harder to see if the president tells the truth? or do you not care what the format of the questioning is? >> i think in general written statements maic it easier to control what is revealed and make it easier for the lawyers to say rather than for the president or whoever the witness is to say. but i'll leave that up to the special prosecutor, to special counsel mr. mueller. mr. mueller is a republican and someone of the greatest integrity that everyone agrees to. and let him destied the best method of the investigation. >> we are also reporting tonight fbi director, current fbi director christopher wray threatened to quit.
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have you ever asked wray about this? >> no, we have not asked wray about this. but we saw in the last day or so i think this information came out. that makes wray the second fbi, wray personally handpicked of president trump makes him second fbi director in a row to be pressured improperly by the president on personnel matters to get rid of people who are in convenient to the president who may tell truths the president doesn't want to. and he was, i notice that the report says he was pressured by attorney general sessions who was discussed to be recused by this. so this is more evidence of a concerted attempt by the administration to discredit and dis able the russian investigation. >> so the president by the way has come out and denied that wray threatened to quit.
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i'm not sure what it is. but he's denying it. here he is today. >> no, he didn't at all. he did not even a little bit. and he's going to do a good job. >> continued when asked about the new leadership of the fbi to say let's see how it works out. are you going to bring in wray to testify? >> it's not up to me. the president is a liar. the president didn't deny pressuring and urging the fbi to fire the deputy director mr. mccabe because he didn't approve of his role in the investigation of the president. that is highly improper. and again it's part of a concerted campaign to undermine and to derail an official investigation here. >> thank you very much congressman. i appreciate your time as always. >> thank you. "outfront" next deal or no deal. chuck schumer is rescinding his offer to pay for trump's wall.
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new tonight senator chuck schumer says the wall is off the table. schumer is rescinding the offer he made to president trump last
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week before the shutdown. this was a big offer. this was i'll give you your wall. well, anyway it didn't work in getting a deal and smumchumer i taking it off the wall. and republicans are livid. guess what, 16 days until the government can shutdown again. deal no where in site. with me now is heto talk about this. chuck schumer put the wall on the table. big deal. he has not taken the wall off the table. number two republican cornyn says this is a huge step backward. isn't he right? >> well, temporarily, erin, but it's a negotiating tactic. and chuck schumer has negotiated before. audience is one person. it's donald trump. this is largely symbolic issue. i would bet for even republicans like cornyn, because this is the wall has been authorized for
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sometime. this is about trump having a political talking point to have it rallied. he wants this. we don't know what else what trump would support or sign off on but know he wants the wall. so this is saying you want the wall you better give us something else. >> in that case, that's strategy sounds pretty smart, you want to go into a new negotiation takeaway the thing the person wants the most because you have to give me something for it, right? >> right. listen, erin, after the schumer surrender. >> you have a way with words, steve. >> from a stronger position. but, look, first of all, i think this is an important point. if you don't have borders, you don't have a country. this is a foundational promise of trump. it's one of the reasons, if not the reason that he won both the nomination and president to get control of the immigration system. but not just partisan issue. democrats have voted for hundreds of miles for additional
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barricades at the border including then senators obama and clinton who voted for it. so this should be a bipartisan issue. what senator smchumer is trying to do is make it bipartisan. it's good for us and mexico to get control of our southern border. we can no longer tolerate a dangerous open border as we have for decades. >> i guess the one thing to say, i know you'll disagree on almost all those points, but when it comes to senator schumer, would know he's going to give up the wall. he already gave it up once. you are not going to give it up, right, pretend? >> what i gave up is authorization, not appropriation. i bet you donald trump doesn't understand that. i'm certain his staff does. and you can calculate that for schumer he's betting democrats may win back the house. maybe win back the senate. this is a place where it's trump can have a symbolic win and chance at rallies but we are not
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standing wasting taxpayer money ton a wul that nobody really thinks we need more of. >> and yet steve the white house still, during the way during the whole negotiation let's not forget the president was under personal criticism from people in his own party, from the majority leader mitch mcconnell to members of congress like mow brooks because they didn't know where the president of the united states stood. and confusing messages. here's mick mulvaney this morning on dreamers and what the administration's position actually is. >> just say what his position is on it, who gets to stay, how do they get to say? >> depends on what we get in exchange. what do we get for border security? senator schumer this weekend said he gave the president everything he wanted on the wall. i've challenged that. >> so my question to you, you were head of the hispanic
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counsel for new president during the campaign. any situation in which you would be okay with some of these 700,000 plus americans who came in as young children through no choice of their own, any of them getting kicked out? >> no, erin i don't want them kicked out. i've been clear about that for a long time. by the way, so does the president. i disagree with the premise of the question. >> one of the things in the campaign said i'm going to get rid of president obama executive order. >> yes, and he did by the way. >> right. >> and here's the thing. president trump what he did was he thought he was king obama and he thought he could wave his ceptor and make them legally protected even though they are illegal immigrants of the united states. and what president trump has done, and i gave him credit, let's do it the right way, through the congress, constitutional way. but if we are going to do this, let's get control of the immigration system in totality which is badly broken. in the united states right now we have a visa lossry system
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which endamage sz our national security. we have a chine migration system that endamages our economic security. we have right now, and this is not my talking point, per the l.a. times in the state of california 55% of all immigrants are on public assistance. i love immigration. i'm an immigrant son. i'm a hispanic. we are not doing immigration right. let's start doing it right. merit based. control the border, allow the daca people to stay. there is a reasonable compromise here. >> i'm going to make the point. i'll raise the question, melania trump is an immigrant. i would assume chain migration played a part. >> quite possibly. donald trump doept understand that. it's immigration how they came to the people. not people black and brown. people who have come from europe and all over the world. so big discuss to discuss it for democrats. obviously a lot of details in
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there. but how that is handled is particularly sensitive issue and one that will be pivotal to the whole discussion. >> all right. thank you both very much. next president trump worked up over fbi text messages that republicans say show bias against him. the facts and trump getting a pass from top evangelical tony perkins over his alleged a fair offer alleged porn star. he will come and answer questions why is he giving trump an out? it's inspected by mercedes-benz factory-trained technicians. or it isn't. it's backed by an unlimited mileage warranty, or it isn't. for those who never settle, it's either mercedes-benz certified pre-owned, or it isn't. the mercedes-benz certified pre-owned sales event. now through february 28th. only at your authorized mercedes-benz dealer. advil liqui-gels minis. our first concentrated pill
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new tonight republicans releasing new and what they see are jaw dropping political messages from a top fbi agent. president trump tweeting about the messages, some of which are now missing. he says in one of the biggest stories in a long time fooib says it fbi says it's missing text. wow, now let's be clear that the president is obviously mixing things up a bit. 50,000 is the total number of messages the fbi has on servers, ones they have put out there. so they put 50,000 out there. who knows how many in the
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months. the whole point is mixing. jessi jessi jessica snider is out front. they are back available on the day bob mueller is special counsel. do we know anything about what they say? >> they are releasing them bit by bit. so what we are getting is months and months back and forth before fbi peter strzok. and they were having an affair and were texting. here's the latest. so first there is this one from may 19, two days of mueller was appointed. agent strzok he talks about potentially joining mueller's team and writes this, he says, you and i both know the odds are nothing. if i thought it was likely, i would be there no question. i hesitate in part because of my gut sense and concern.
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there is no big there there. so when senator johnson released those today, he said that those remarks were jaw dropping say they absolutely refer to mueller's probe and of course strzok's feeling about it. hanna text bash of them, not crystal clear what strzok meant by there is no big there there. so sort of open to interpretation. now one other text from strzok referenced the clinton email investigation, women he was part of it, and known as the mid year exam. so here's what he said about that i personally have a sense of unfinished business. i unleashed it with nye. now i need to fix it. and finish it. so of course erin, republicans are pointing to these tekts as evidence of bias. democrats just say they are distracting from the russia probe. >> now talking about one of those messages was may 19. now of course we are missing
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five months ending on may 17. they are blaming technical system glitch where switching to s samsung phone. but tle are saying something else. >> republican senator richard beurre chair of the intelligence committee he even says he believes it was just a technical glitch at the beurre owe. and when these texts were cents over, the coverler that it was assistants senator general boyd and he explained it, he said these are technical issues with the fbi retention software. but it is that big gap that it was from december 2016 to may 17th, 2017. and of course the day robert mueller was a pointed so a lot of questions for republicans there. >> thank you very much, jessica. next evangelical says trump deserves a mulligan over alleged a fair with important star. i'm going to talk to tony
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new tonight evangelicals given president trump a pass on porn star. research counsel says religist right is giving the president do
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over for past personal mistakes including reports the president's lawyer create add private company to pay for a porn star's silence about alleged affair with trump. out front now tony perkins. thanks for coming back. >> thank you. >> you used mulligan to talk about this. and recent allegations involve an allegations with porn star that ghana few months after his wife gave births, president's wife, and president's personal attorney paying off the porn star for his silence. and you say you get a mulligan here. i'm quoting you. why? >> if this behavior were occurring today right now has he was president of the united states i can assure you that my support and support of evangelical would be dissipating very rapidly. but talking about something that occurred ten years ago. among a number of things that occurred with this president prior to being president, and
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myself, along with a lot of of evangelicals were not support. in fact, icam pained with his supporters, down to he and hi hillary clinton, he wanted the support of evangelical. i'm picking a pro life conservative running mate and embraced himself in the conservative party platform ever. and yes evangelical, conservatives gave him a mulligan. they let him have a do over. they said we'll start fresh with you and give you a second chance. and there are people, evangelicals understand what a second chance means. and that's what that comment was made in . >> i want to ask you about the justices if a moment. when you talk about a second chance, look, there is at least 15 women who say trump harassed or assaulted them.
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here he is. >> i just start kissing them. it is a magnet. and when you are a star, they let you do it. you can do anything, grab them by the [ bleep ]. you can do anything. >> a mulligan to golfers is one extra shot. how many do you give him? >> i am going to tell you right now, evangelical support of the president is not unconditional. let me be clear about that. if this president were to engage in that behavior now that he would have alleged to admitted to being in there before. he has been actively involved and engaging with evangelicals since the general election. build a relationship with them. listened to them and he has been pursuing a conservative
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constitutional agenda that is in align with them. if the president stopped for some reason keeping campaign promises, then that support is long. >> you are saying he is the most conservative constitutional agenda, that is what he is pursuing. you said in the past those of us who advocate to family values in the public square are held to a higher standard. you are saying he is advocating of what you see pro-life. why not hold him to the same standard? >> he is not doing these things now. if he does, if he were to engage in this alleged behavior now this support would not be there.
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and i will be the first to say that. we heard all of this in the campaign and again, evangelicals were not there in the beginning. only when they had a choice between hillary clinton and a guy who said i am going to champion things you care about. i want a second chance. i want to do the right thing and to date, he is doing the right thing. >> what about the hush money the "wall street journal" alleges. >> look, this president, everything he does good or bad is attacked. i am going to tell you about the policies that we are watching. he has moved the embassy to jerusalem. he has ordered the department of justice to make sure every
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federal agency is respecting religious freedom. he has embraced a solid pro-life agenda and as long as the president continues to keep his promises and continues to conduct himself as he has that i am aware of, he continues to have support of evan jellcas. what about when you -- are you okay with that racist comment? >> he is not the first president to use colorful language. i would not -- >> he said i don't want people from those ass holes, you don't find that racist? >> i know there are a lot of evangelicals, who say, i am with the president, i wish he
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wouldn't tweet the way he does. >> how do you deal with what is such a crucial question for many in the country, many of who would support donald trump or continue supporting donald trump and that is that he is the president of the united states. you have five children i believe. am i right? >> yes i do. >> so the president is on talking about s holes or grabbing women's p's? >> i am my children's role models. >> these are still in his character. >> i understand that. and he has said i am going to do things differently. and to the degree that he is
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doing things differently. we understand grace, we understand forgiveness. and he has said i want to do it differently and do it better and he is surrounding himself with those people who can help him and encourage him doing the right thing. and so we can have that mercy. now, again, let me be clear, if the president would continue to engage in behavior that has happened ten years ago, that support is not going to be there. i am thankful i got a second chance and i would pray that others would seek a second chance by changing and doing the right thing. >> thank you very much. i appreciate your time. >> great to be with you. >> next jeanne moos, on the name of everyone's list.
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tonight, the name taking the world by storm. here is jeanne moos. >> it sounds like the name of a porn star or a weather woman. >> stormy daniels. >> stormy daniels. ♪ oh, stormy >> reporter: nothing classic about the adult film star linked
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to donald trumps. becoming so famous so fast, she is a one-name wonder like the president. >> donald immediately says nice to meet you, but i want to meet her. >> reporter: when the first lady -- innuendo. melania doesn't like flying with trump anymore. there has been severe turbulence since things turned stormy. >> i am guessing in a few days we are going to forget the name stormy daniels. >> reporter: stormy impersonators. but stormy is not necessarily what donald trump called her. she told in touch magazine he always called me honey bunch. how dare he, that's what fred
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called ethel. jeanne moos, cnn, new york. >> and thanks to all of you for joining us. "ac 360" begins now. good evening. and the washington post is reporting that interview could come within weeks. that is the biggest development not the only one because mueller's investigation has already for the first time reached the president's cabinet. attorney general jeff sessions was questions last wednesday. he didn't discuss it with sessions who was at the white house