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there is too much of that already on all fronts. and that is a fact. don't forget, you can catch me and alison every weekday morning on "new day" starting at 6:00 a.m., but right now, "cnn tonight" with don lemon, the man, starts right now. top of the hour, this is "cnn tonight." i'm don lemon. we have big news on the russia investigation to tell you about. it comes straight from the president's mouth. president trump telling reporters tonight he's looking forward to talking to special counsel robert mueller. his lawyer is responding to that tonight. we're going to tell you what he says. remember this is the president who in the rose garden back in june said he was 100% willing to talk to mueller. then just a few weeks ago he said there might not be an interview. so definitely maybe. the president also spoke about
hillary clinton, his chief of staff, john kelly, and deputy fbi director andrew mccabe, and you'll hear all of it tonight. we have more breaking news as well. cnn also learning that robert mueller has given the president's lawyers possible topics he wants to ask as a part of the interview with the president. mueller's team wants to question former white house chief strategist steve bannon about the figrings of national securiy adviser michael flynn and fbi directors james comey. sources also saying cia director mike pompeo has been interviewed by mueller's team and it may be no coincidence that with all of these developments in the russia investigation, conservative media is full of talk about a so-called secret society inside the fbi. there is no evidence, no proof it actually exists but the idea presumably is it would have been after the president in a nefarious way.
where kid thdid they get that y? we'll have a fact check later. stay tuned. i want to get to pamela brown. cnn legal commentator ken cuccinelli. and former federal prosecutor who is running for illinois attorney general. good to have all of you on. pam, as i said, i want to get trait is to the news, that means you. president trump giving a wide ranging interview to white house reporters today, asked about the possibility of him meeting with the special counsel. here's what he had to say then we'll talk. >> i'm looking forward to it, actually. >> you want to. >> here's a start just so you understand. there's been no collusion whatsoever. there's no obstruction whatsoever, and i'm looking forward too it. i do worry and i look at all the things you people don't report about of what's happening. if you take a look at the, you know, five months' worth of missing texts. that's a lot of missing texts and as i said yesterday, that's primetime. so you do sort of look at that and say, what's going on?
you look at certain texts when they talk about insurance policy and insurance, they say the kinds of things they're saying. you have to be concerned. i'd love to do that. i'd like to do it as soon as possible. good luck, everybody. >> do you have a state set? >> here's the story. >> do you have a date set? >> no, i guess they're talking about two or three weeks. i would love to do it. >> in person? >> i have to say, subject to my lawyers and all of that, i'd love to do it many. >> there were factual errors in there, pam, about the missing texts because it affected a lot of phones as they were changing over the phones. the president didn't talk about that, but someone should probably tell him the truth about it. you were in the room. i want you to talk about that and the breaking news tonight about mueller actually wanting to question the president. what cdoes he want to question him about? >> reporter: well, there was a lot that happened in the room in that short span of time that reporters talked to the president. he walked in unannounced. it was a surprise to the reporters as well as white house aides in the room. of course the reporters wanted to talk to him about robert mueller.
he said he'd love to sit down and talk to him. he said he would do so under oath. he changed his tune from a few weeks ago, he hedged and didn't say that. he left it open. today he was very straightforward in he wants to sit down with him face-to-face. ty cobb, the white house lawyer, released a statement shortly after the president made those comments, don, saying "while mr. trump was speaking hurriedly before leaving for davos, continues complete cooperation with the office of the special counsel and looking forward to speaking with mr. mueller." i can tell you, don, sources tell me that the lawyers, legal team, look at an in-person intervuz a lainte interview as a last resort. not something they necessarily want. also sources tell us, don, robert mueller's team does want an in-person interview with president trump. the team has made that clear to the president's lawyers. now, what will happen, how it will take shape is unclear.
all the terms are being negotiated. i'm told they're still in the early stages of trying to work things out with the possible interview, don. >> let me bring you in here, the president was asked whether any meeting with the special counsel would be under oath. i want you to take a listen to this. >> under oath, mr. president? >> you mean like hillary did it -- who said that? >> i said that. would you do it under oath? >> you did say it. you say a lot. did hillary do it under oath? >> i have no idea -- >> i think you have an idea. wait, do you not have an idea? really not have an idea? ifl i'll give you an idea. you know she didn't do it under oath. i would do it. you know she didn't do it under oath. >> again, more factual errors in that statement because he is fixated on this. he said it before, explain what happens when fbi, the fbi interviews, during fbi interviews, whether or not you have to be under oath.
>> so typically at fbi interviews, no one is under oath, you don't need to be under oath because lying to an fbi agent is a crime, whether or not you're under oath or not. typically it's no court reporter present. there's no videocameras, no, you know, no one taping. on an interview like this. there's fbi agents sitting there, they're taking notes. there's a federal prosecutors in this case, mr. mueller and his team would be there and obviously also have defense attorneys there. that's how that works. that's a pretty standard practi practice. when myself tahe's talking abou under oath, he was office the reservation there from the perspective of what his attorneys i'm sure had in mind. i can imagine mr. cobb was sitting back in the white house very concerned about potentially losing his leverage with robert mueller. i don't think he wants the president to be testifying formally in front of the grand jury. he wants it to be more informal.
he wants to be present for that interview and he doesn't want it to be under oath. >> so, listen, in a another big point the president also addressed the report he asked the acting fbi director andrew mccabe who he voted for. the president answered, ken, by saying he doesn't recall, answering -- or asking that question. let's listen to it. >> should mccabe -- >> general -- >> should mccabe go? >> well, mccabe got more than $500,000 from essentially hillary clinton and is he investigating hillary clinton? >> so should he go? >> do you remember, did anybody hear many of my speeches where i talked about mccabe? he was the star of my speeches. this is a nap. i said a man who is more or less in charge of her got -- the wife got $500,000 from terry. terry is hillary. >> do you regret having him as your acting fbi director then? >> you know what, i keep out of
it, you'll find that hard to believe, i keep out of it. that's the way it fell. he's been there. it's one of those things. but he was the star of many of my speeches. because he got from $500,000, $700,000, whatever that number was, got that money for the wife. >> did you actually vote -- >> in virginia, it's very interesting, wait, in virginia, you don't have to spend the money. i never checked as to whether or not he spent the money on the campaign. how much money did he spend on the campaign? she. >> did you ask who he voted for? >> do you know -- >> show on the one hand, ken, the president is saying he doesn't remember asking mccabe who he voted for. on the other, he's saying it wouldn't matter if he did. and implies to reporters that's something he might do. is that a good defense? >> well, it's a muddled one, of course, what he's really doing is sort of dragging mccabe's political side into the
spotlight. and here we are talking about it. obviously i'm in virginia, and what he was talking about there is that terry mcauliffe gave his pac, his political action committee, gave over $500,000 to mccabe's wife to run as a democrat for the state senate. and what -- actually i think mccabe's mistake in that race is he appeared in political literature with his wife. now, it's his wife. and that's a response a lot of people have. other people's response is it's the fbi. so you've kind of given up your nonpartisan chops at that point and the president is taking advantage of that with mccabe. >> is he supposed toby tend -- >> when it comes to firing -- >> is he supposed to pretend that he's not her husband? >> look, there's two ways that can go but when they, as a couple, made the decision that she was going to get in that race, she decided to get in that race, it was going to have consequences for an fbi agent
husband. and, but no one i think would have imagined the kind of consequences we're talking about tonight. i mean, he's in the center spotlight. it's a difficult boss to be in. and there's really no shaking that partisan flavor for him. and the president is taking advantage of it from a messaging stant poind. >> i don't see how you can pretend you're not married to someone -- >> i think it's the opposite -- >> i know. how is he not going to appear? there's pictures of him and them as a couple, it doesn't make sense. i mean, the -- the first lady appears in literature and -- the first lady appears in literature and in campaign ads with the president. with the candidate. i don't understand what difference it makes. if he actually went and he asked the fbi, what's the protocol? it seems that he did that. what difference does it make? and there's a paper trail of that. why -- >> don, flip it around.
let's say -- >> i am. i'm flipping it around. it wouldn't matter if it's a democrat or republican. >> i don't buy that, don. i don't buy that. >> absolutely. >> it matters because it's a club to hit the president with but it's also for the president a club he can hit mccabe with. look, for an fbi agent in the culture of that organization that has been above and outside of politics forever, this is not above and outside of it so it's an exception -- >> for her to run, are they supposed to get a divorce and they're not supposed to be pictured together? >> of course not. >> are they supposed to ask google to remove all the images of them as a couple off of the internet? what you're saying makes absolutely no sense. >> no, no, no, no, whoa, whoa, whoa, you're going somewhere else. the political literature of his wife's campaign used those pictures. it wasn't that they existed, they used them in the political -- >> they're married. >> that was funded in partly terry mcauliffe. >> they're married. go ahead, sorry. >> that's fine. what i was going to say, i don't think any fbi agent could have
imagined what donald trump is doing here. i think it's outside of the normal bounds of what we've seen in the political process. yes, in it prior occasions in this country, whether it was nixon or clinton, there have have been some politicization of investigations. but no one has really seen an american president attack the fbi, attack the justice department in the way that president trump has. i mean, he ostensibly controls the justice department and the fbi. they're his appointees at the head of both of those agencies. he's gone after them in a way i don't think anyone who's a career fbi agent could have anticipa anticipated. i'm sure mr. mccabe when he was making those decisions with his wife did not anticipate the president of the united states was going to be tweeting insults at him, attacking him in campaign rallies and making him a national figure of hatred and of scorn by a huge percentage of this country. i don't think anyone could expect that, and frankly, fbi
agents shouldn't have to expect something -- >> listen, donating to a political campaign disqualifies anyone, wouldn't he be disqualified from criticizing hillary clinton because he donated money to hillary clinton as well and was a former supporter. i'm talking about the sitting president now. he would be disqualified from criticizing her. thank you, all. when we come back, robert mueller's team about to question steve bannon about the flynn and comey firings and negotiating for the president, himself, to be interviewed. i'm going to ask a former director of national intelligence where he thinks the russia investigation stands and where it's going.
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with humira, remission is possible. here's our breaking news tonight. president trump telling reporters he's willing to be interviewed by special counsel robert mueller. in fact, he says he's looking forward to it, if his lawyers approve. that as we're learning tonight that mueller's team has given trump's lawyers possible topics they want to ask the president. joining me to weigh in on this, cnn national security analyst
james clapper. former director of national intelligence. director clapper, thank you for joining us. the president says he wants to talk to mueller under oath but says he's listen to the advice from his lawyers. what do you make of that? he's giving himself some wiggle room here. >> well, this is -- at least to me, stark contrast to what he said not too long ago, where he didn't see a need for an interview, because there was no collusion, so i wouldn't be surprised if, you know, at some future point he says i'm not going to do an interview. we just have to see. one of the hallmarks of this presidency is not consistency. >> well, it's just interesting when he says he's looking forward to it because most people aren't even looking forward to jury duty. why would you be looking forward to speaking to a special counsel that could possibly get you into some trouble, especially with perjury or what have you? even if, you know, maybe you didn't mean it. >> yeah, that's kind of -- it's kind of an amazing statement.
because i wouldn't look forward to circumstance like that, in any event, even if i had a good story to tell. >> absolutely. so the president was asked about the "washington post" report that he asked then-acting fbi director andrew mccabe who he voted for in the oval office, in an oval office meeting. i want you to listen carefully. the people at home. because the president's words and their implications are really important. listen to this. >> did you ask mccabe who he voted for? did you ask him that? >> i don't think so. no. >> you don't think you did? >> i don't think i did. i don't know what the big deal is with that. i would ask you, who did you vote for. i don't think it's a big deal. i don't remember -- i saw that this morning. i don't remember asking him that question. >> is it possible you did? >> i don't remember asking him the question. >> you don't remember. >> i think it's also a very unimportant question. >> okay. >> i don't remember asking -- >> well, remember, he did say he had the greatest memory of all-time.
he says he doesn't think so, but if he did, he doesn't think it's a big deal. two questions here. first, do you believe him? do you think that he asked mccabe that question? >> well, unfortunately, no i don't believe him because i think this kind of fits a pattern pattern. i think the timing of this exchange with andy, i think came right after the firing of jim comey. as i understand it, this was a get-to-know-you kind of engagement, meeting, with, between the two of them. and in my mind it is completely inappropriate to ask a federal employee, a career employee, any employee, who'd you vote for? that's just completely inappropriate. and the other thing is, just -- this is kind of typical, rather ambiguous tap dance answer that he gave. and so and again, i'm pretty
sure that andy well remembers and may have recorded just as jim comey did his conversations with the president. so i think it's, again, very regrettable. >> we're at this very critical point in the mueller investigation. sources are telling cnn mueller is set to question steve bannon on flynn and comey. their firings. he wants to question the president. he's already interviewed comey, interviewed sessions. . we found out his team interviewed cia director mike pompeo. what's your assessment of where this investigation stands? >> well, i think it's kind in the final innings it would appear to me. running out of people to talk to, witnesses here. to me, this is reflective of bob mueller's careful, methodical, approach to this and kind of moving from the outer circle to the inner circle, ending up in ultimately with the president.
the interview with the president by the way, could be kind of anti-climactic in a way because i think the conditions that will be placed on what -- to what, you know, what can be asked, and the length of time he can be interrogated and all this sort of thing. so i think it's important for, frankly, for the form. i'm not sure much will come of it, particularly if his lawyer have any influence over what he says. >> director clapper, i want to ask you about this memmemo, drad by devin nunes, justice departme department wrongdoing. nunes won't let his counterpart in the chairman side, richard burr, won't let his staff won't see it, won't let the fbi or the justice department see it. democrats say the memo is misleading. what's going on here? h. >> well, to me, it appears just a partisan attempt here to
attack the fbi. and the department of justice. i mean, this is a reallier rell approach to doing this. conventionally, if there's -- if the congress finds or suspects wrongdoing, then typically what you do, and hopefully be on a bipartisan basis, then do a referral to the inspector general, the department of justice. the fbi does not have a separate inspector general, so you go to i.g. who is senate confirmed, independent, and who has professionals on his staff and the resource wherewithal to do a thorough, methodical, credible investigation. the fact that this was not bipartisan and was not referred to the department of justice for validation of accuracy and all that, i -- makes this very suspect.
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here's the breaking news. president trump saying tonight that he looks forward to taking -- to talking under oath to special counsel robert mueller. but only if his lawyers approve. i want to bring in now cnn senior political commentator david axelrod. former senior adviser to president obama. mark mckinnon, former adviser to george w. bush and john mccain. now executive producer of show time's "the circus." good evening, gentlemen. thank you for joining me. >> hey, don. >> we miss the hat, mark, and the roaring fireplace. >> got to venture out into the big city occasionally. >> will we proceed. we'll get through this. your reaction, david, to all this news coming out from the impromptu session with reporters? sources tell our jim acosta the staff didn't know he was going to stop in.
on kelly's session with reporters. >> i guess my first reaction is whatever his lawyers are charging is not enough. for all the headaches and sleepless nights he must cause them. they've been disciplined in their message for some time, since cobb got over to the white house, the message is we're cooperating, it's been nonc nonconfrontational and so on. with every other aspect of the white house operation, the president's off to the races and sort of charts his own course. i'm sure that they were not happy when he walked if there and said i'd be happy to do this under oath. i'm sure they were somewhat relieved that he added that disclaimer at the end, subject to, you know, advice from my lawyers. i think they would probably prefer if he just kept his mouth shut which may be more than anyone can hope for. >> mark mckinnon, president
trump was asked tonight how he declinefines collusion. here he is. >> you're going to define it for me, okay? there's no collusion. i couldn't have caredless about russians having to do with my campai campaign. the fact is, you people won't say this, you but i'll say it, i was a much better candidate than her. you always say she was a bad candidate. you never say i was a good candidate. i was one of the greatest candidates. nobody else would have beaten the clinton machine. as crooked as it was. but i was a great candidate. someday you're going to say that. >> well, you know, it's interesting because in his mind, russians interfering in the election had something to do with his win. he's mixing the two together. he can't hold two separate thoughts at the same time. that maybe he was a good candidate, maybe he was helped by the russians or maybe the russians did influence the campaign, the electoral process. what's your reaction to protests that he couldn't care list about the russians having to do
anything with his campaign? >> i think it may be true. i think in the end, there may be no collusion, as he says. it's so interesting and revealing, it always comes back to -- about him and the margin of victory. and did he win it successfully, and about his legitimacy. i want to read a paragraph from michael wolff's book, "fire and fury." some people question the accuracy of some of the passages and what have you. as he says and others say, big takeaways are pretty accurate. here's what he said about the white house staff in some of these issues. he said "this is the peculiar and haunting consensus of the white house staff, no the that trump was guilty of all he was accused of but he was guilty of so much else. it was all too possible that the hardly plausible would lead to the totally credible. "i think that's ultimately where this is head headed. there may be no collusion, but there are literately public examples of what could be obstruction of justice.
he said it to lester holt. sarah sanders. that's just the stuff we know about. and then there's the other instances of trump saying, draw a line, don't look anywhere else. you say that to a prosecutor, they're going to look somewhere else. >> that's the thing because collusion is not a legal term. from collusion, you can get, as you said, this is possible -- not that it's going to head there, but obstruction, money laundering, and any number of crimes can come out of that. again, none of that may come out of it but collusion, again, not a legal term. it's very easy to say there is no collusion, there is no collusion, because you can never really be charged with collusion. david, you know, the -- >> can i -- >> yeah. go ahead. >> can i just make a somewhat related point to this, which is this has been his thing from the beginning which is somehow to acknowledge the russians did what aefsh else acknowledges they did, interfere with our election, denigrating our authority. he has not been able to acknowledge it. that gets in the way of getting to the bottom of what the russians actually did which
becomes a real national security issue and problem for the country and the congress, itself, has been waylaid by people to seager to defend the president, not trying to get to the bottom of what the russians actually did and it is dangerous. >> also, david, what people don't realize here, it's an old but very effective marketing strategy by him saying there's no collusion, there's no collusion, he says it, we repeat the sound bite, other people say it then you get people to believe if you say something, a number of times, you know, people are going to believe that it's true. so far, collusion has or has not been proven. but if he keeps saying it over and over, notice how much he says it, we keep saying it, he says it, there's a strategy behind this, i believe. >> there's no doubt about it and i think that he wants the focus on collusion. it may be the more serious concern he has is about the things he did to try to divert and divert this investigation. he said there was no obstruction either.
but there are questions that he's going to have to answer, like why did he ask jim comey to go easy on flynn? what was his motivation behind that, and why did he fire comey after comey refused to do so? so there are a lot of questions that he's going to have to answer. i will say this, i give him credit. he won a kind of miraculous victory. i agree with him, and i was critical of secretary clinton as a candidate, when she ran. and some aspects of her campaign. i will say this, there was at least one other campaign that beat the clinton machine. >> obama. >> so it wasn't unprecedented. >> you took the words right out of my mouth. i was going to say. wait a minute, didn't obama beat the clinton machine? before he did. >> is yes, i remember that clearly. >> well played, sir, well played. >> so, mark, you know, we've been talking about general ke y kelly. i want you to listen quickly to what the president said about him tonight. . >> hello, everybody. how you doing. okay?
i think, by the way, he's doing great. he's doing great. fake news yesterday or two days ago. i rarely put out a tweet praising somebody, only when they get a false story. >> so tension between the president's chief of staff rising over the past few weeks. escalating with "vanity fair" article monday reporting that ivanka trump is looking for a replacement here. he praised kelly. then held a 15 minute q&a with reporters. could this have been the president's way of showing kelly he is in charge? >> it's certainly a classic trump brush-back. we've seen this act play out a number of times over the last year. and i would certainly read that as a sign of saying that kelly's days are numbered, unfortunately. i think he's doing a hell of a job under the circumstances. >> thank you, gentle pemen. i always appreciate our conversation. i always enjoy our hopefully we'll be in the same room someday. >> without the hats.
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president trump had a lot to say to reporters tonight including expressing confidence that a bipartisan agreement on immigration will happen. >> do you think you're going to get a deal on immigration, mr. president? >> i think so. >> what do you think it's going to look like? >> great border security. in fact, i just wrote something, might talk about it, chief, if you want, otherwise we'll do it for tomorrow. i just wrote something out while we're looking. we want great border security, we want to do a great job for daca. i think it's our issue. i think it's a better issue for the republicans than for the democrats. >> do you want citizenship for d.r.e.a.m.ers? >> we're going to -- we're going to morph into it. it's going to happen. >> what does that mean?
>> over a period -- over a period of 10 to 12 years. somebody does a great job, they've worked hard, it gives incentive to do a great job, but they've worked hard. they've done terrifically, whether they have a little company or whether they work or -- whatever they're doing, if they do a great job, i think it's a nice thing to have the incentive of after a period of years being able to become a citizen. >> so the president going on to say he might be willing to extend the daca deadline if there was no agreement. i want to talk about this with former republican congressman david jolly, cnn political commentators jason miller and angela rye. good evening, all, one and all. >> good evening. >> angela, let's start with you. president trump gave a very upbeat answer tonight about the possibility of reaching an agreement on immigration reform and the future of d.r.e.a.m.ers. what's your reaction? >> my reaction is i can't take the president's word for a grain of salt, like, this is someone who regularly says one thing out of his mouth and says something very different.
i think the reality of it is when i was listening to those remarks, duon, i thought of the man who was recently deported, husband of a wife, with kids, and he didn't do anything. so i don't believe someone who built his campaign on calling mexicans drug dealers and rapists, i don't believe a man who has spent time tweeting about a wall, and the importance of the wall. no wall, no deal. i don't believe him today because he doesn't have the compassion to make this type of policy decision. >> representative jolly, your former republican colleagues in the house are taking a very hard line on this. do you think they're going to see this the same way the president does? >> no, absolutely not. listen, republicans haven't been able to solve immigration reform in 30 years and the irony here is, whatever passes the senate, there's likely no possible way it would pat the house of representatives. what a bipartisan package would look like in the house simply couldn't pass -- in the senate -- simply couldn't pass the house unless paul ryan is
perhaps not going to run for re-election and decides to strike a deal with nancy pelosi. donald trump doesn't know what he's talking about on these issues. we saw it a few weeks ago when he said i'll sign whatever you bring me. and durbin and graham brought it to him and the hardliners got to trump and said, no, sir, you can't sign this. this is no easier three weeks from now. i really think, really think donald trump or mitch mcdonneco is going to pull the rug out from underneath chuck schumer on this one. >> you think -- you do? >> absolutely. >> go on, talk more about that. why? >> it's a false promise. you might get a vote on daca. again, whatever can pass the senate cannot pass the house and the president won't sign it. this is going to set up like charlie brown and lucy, charlie brown trying to kick the football, donald trump, mitch mcconnell, they're holding it, they're going to pull it out as soon as chuck schumer tries to kick it. it's not going to work. if this were easy to solve, more republicans would run on this issue. don, the deep red base throughout the country the moment you say daca, they scream amnesty. the problem with no leadership
from donald trump is this, the right-wing media will lose their minds over this. donald trump folds in a heartbeat under the heat of the right-wing media. if he's not going to lead the house toward daca, it's not going to happen. >> you set up, representative jolly, my question to jason perfectly. i want you to check out this headline, jason. all of you can look at it obviously. you can see it as well. this is breitbart. they write "immigration shock. amnesty don suggests citizenship for illegal aliens." >> as much as i respect the good congressman, i think he might be living in an alternative universe here. here is the fact, president trump -- >> didn't breitbart just prove his point? >> right. >> hold on. president trump is running circles around the democrats right now. first of all we had chuck schumer who absolutely face-planted on his failed shutdown. we know the democrats aren't going to do that. while the democrats completely imploded on this -- >> you're absolutely right about that, right on, they completely caved, i don't know why they shut the government down.
>> here's the genius thing -- >> hold on no, no, no, answer the question and then you can spin. >> i'm answering your question. >> we're talking about the red -- the base as he said, the hardcore base and -- >> exactly. >> -- right-wing media. >> let me get to that. what the president is doing now, is getting out there and setting markers, both on the border security, ending chain migration, getting rid of the visa lottery, getting rid of the daca system so we don't have this repeat over and over again. he is defining the terms in which we're going to go and secure our border and make sure we don't have this problem pop back up again. that was the big problem with reagan when he did this in 1986, they didn't go and have the appropriate enforcement mechanisms in place as part of a deal and it came right back. what the president is doing is getting out and setting markers. now here's how much schumer is really stuck between a rock and a hard place is because now that the president has put down these markers, he might be open to coming up with some kind of deal, now schumer's liberal base
is saying, wait a minute, the president is willing to do this, you can't go and shut down the government, you need to give him as we saw luis gutierrez say he was fine with, give him the wall, end chain migration, the visa lottery. the president is running circles around democrats and he doesn't know what he's doing. >> he doesn't know what he's doing. >> would you answer the question? >> conservatives know this is a problem we have to fix, if we don't do it our way it's going to end up, the democrats are going to be the ones running it, so we're going to get border security -- >> hold that thought. we're going to talk more about immigration, what trump said about the wall and you'll get to respond to what jason said right after this. e. before the big announcement, before the auditorium is booked and the press is notified, before the chairs are unstacked or the fancy snacks are set out, before the tech blogs make wild speculations and then other tech blogs contradict those with other,
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david jolly, jay season miller. ang l. rye with me now. listen to this. i want you to respond. this is what the president said about immigration tonight. >> i tell them not to be concerned, okay? tell them not to worry about it. we'll solve the problem. it's up to the democrats. but they shouldn't be concerned. we'll put it in a fund.
25 billion and a fund. we have 25 billion for a wall. 5 billion for other security measures. after daca is done we'll look at the over all immigration. >> you want chain migration and lottery. >> we'll put in the initial. negotiated chain. a replacement for lottery or end to lottery. it could be a replacement. we bring people from various countries that come in based on merit and various other reasons. and we are going to build a wall. these three primary things. >> okay. so he said put in a fund and did -- but the money coming from mexico for the fund? where's the -- >> come on, don. >> i don't know where t coming from. >> he doesn't know either. it's coming from us. >> $25 billion for the border wall. i don't know. can you support that as a democrat? is that the solution for dreamers? >> don, you know good and
well -- i'm not supporting a wall. i never did. i don't understand why nobody on his transition team nobody on his campaign, nobody who he's affiliated with told him there's a process in place at one point called sbi net. a security border initiative. it was a partially a physical wall and electronic wall. i worked on the homeland security committee. i watched it fail. this was hearing after hearing on why this didn't work. it cost the government millions of dollars. obama pulled the plug on this project. why would you go back and do the same thing? it doesn't work. the reality is there needs to be a different toop of wall built. that wall needs to be built to bind us and release us from bigotry and ignorance. that's the wall that needs to be built. we cannot create false borders and false systems to keep people out of the country. trying to come here to make a
better life. that is a bottom line. i'm not vaing we don't note immigration policy. >> we need border security. >> we can have it. it doesn't have to be in a way that's built upon hatred and make it harder for people. >> just let everyone in? >> you know what. that's the same thing indigenous people did for your folks. i'm fine with that. while you're trying to be funny. >> president trump is going to be get the money for the wall. he will end chain migration. shut down the visa lottery. we'll come up with some thipgs to fix the problem that we have here. and here's the problem where my friend on the left the pickle they're in. is they're getting pressure from the folks who are legitimately out there working hard who want to make the sure the dreamers have a path way to stay in the united states. because the president said he's willing to come up with some kind of deal.
president trump is. >> the deal is bogus. >> he's going to come up with a long term solution. bush couldn't get it done, obama couldn't get it done. trump will get it done. and i'll be right once again. >> what is different than this than what schumer offered last week? >> nothing. trump wants to make it seem like he wins. we have been trying to pass as republicans operational criminal of the border for years. we haven't been able to get it done. perhaps trump can get it done. a much bigger problem of the body politic right now. we see it on every issue. the reason people are so angry. the emergence of democrats and republicans looking for answers in the middle. looking for independence. the democrats right now are sole focus is daca. republicans sole focus is border security. healthcare democrats were looking alt those who need the
additional assistance and coverage. republicans look at people who lost coverage and failed under obamacare. american people are so angry no one party is looking to solve all of the problems on behalf of a broader con sstituency. using daca to get a border wall is amoral. to put these peoples lives in leverage for a political agenda. democrats. to come along and say let's build the wall. let's it border security if we get a solution. >> you are criticizing the president for what he's successfully doing what you want to see done. and do something about border security and a smart solution for daca. he's doing that. >> the problem is the narrative that's been used to talk about -- the issue that i think that we need to address here is
the fact that policy cannot be divorced from people. you cannot talk about people. human beings the way in which the republican party led by donald trump have talked about undocumented people. illegal aliens terminology. drug dealers, rapists. that has to go. if you want to talk about policy. with need to figure out a middle ground. what we cannot do is demonize human beings who are trying to come to america or remain in america to build a better life. >> i have 20 seconds. congressman jolly. >> i want to agree. donald trump is the first republican in a long time to talk about daca. i believe when they call it amnesty he'll fold on it. >> when we come back trump answering questions in an impromptu session. what he says about speaking to robert mueller and whether he'll testify under oath. new information about muellers
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this is cnn tonight. i'm don lemon. a little past 11. we're live with praek breaking news. trump is on air force one on the way to davos. before he left he had a lot to say to reporters. which came as a surprise to white house aids. who didn't know he was goipg to drop in on chief of staff's session. his legal team may have been surprised when the president said he was looking forward to an interview with robert mueller. which he said would be under oath. white house lawyer cob reacting to that saying quote. while mr. trump was speaking hurriedly. he remains committed to continued complete cooperation with the osc. and is looking forward to speaking with mueller. let's bring in cnn national security analyst. and legal