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shorten the slogan for akag. here is the new one kag rhymes with gag. >> thanks for joining us, "ac 360" starts now. >> very big night of breaking news on many fronts. a series of bombings in austin texas. republicans who control the house and intelligence committee say they are shutting it down and issuing a report which democrats have yet to say. it is to say the least white house friendly. the u.s. intelligence committee answered more than a year ago did russians meddle in the 2016
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election, if so on whose order whose benefit. moments ago, reaffirmed it to cnn's jim sciutto. here is a passage from the office of director of national intelligence. i want to read this word for word because it tend to get lost in all of the claims. aimed at the u.s. presidential election. russia's goals were to undermine fate. we further assess putin and the russian government developed a clear preference for president trump. we have high confidence in these judgments. this was the intelligence committee's assessment a year ago and continues to be tonight. our spokesman telling jim sciutto the intelligence community stands by january 2017
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assessment assessing russian activities and intentions in recent u.s. elections. still agreeing with the 2016 assessment. republicans don't by the conclusion of who the russian operation. including the eagerness of donald trump jr. and paula manafort to get dirt on president clinton. there is the committee chairman's recommendation of carrying water for the administration. i want to go back to march 22 of last year. >> what i have read, seems to me to be some level of surveillance
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activity, perhaps legal but i don't know if it is right and i don't know if the american people would be comfortable with what i read. >> that is congressman nunes chairman of the house intelligence committee. having just rushed to the white house to allegedly brief the president on these details. here is sean spicer, press secretary at the time. the reporter is asking would you rule out anybody in the white house or anybody in the trump administration gave chairman that information? >> will you rule out the white house or anybody in the trump administration gave chairman nunes that information? >> i don't know what he briefed the president on. >> that is why it is confusing to us. >> i don't know if that makes sense. i did not sit on that briefing. it just didn't -- so i don't
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know why he would travel and brief the speaker and come down here and brief us on something that we would have briefed us on. it doesn't make a ton of sense. i am not aware of it. but it doesn't really pass the smell test. >> yes, there was a certain aroma to it. but it was quite real. as we learned that is what happened. here is the headline. nonus admits meeting with source of trump surveillance documents on white house grounds. the white house gave him the information that he then said he had to rush to the white house to deliver. it might seem odd but it actually happened. devin nunes who tonight is delivering a favorable report on the russian meddling in the election. we go to cnn's manu rajju. >> the republicans plan to
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present to the democrats tomorrow. they have one page synopsis laying out bullet points. the upshot is this. they do believe that russians did meddle in the elections but they believe that the evidence does not support what the intelligence community found in january of 2017 that the russians tried to help trump becoming president and they say that there was no collusion between trump associates and the russians and when i asked mike conaway about that, he said any contacts that occurred between russian officials and trump officials were essentially inadvertent. they said they investigated all the key meetings that came about as part of the investigation including that june 2016 trump tower meeting with donald trump
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jr. but conaway said there was nothing to that meeting, the person who set up that meeting, a concert promoter, conaway said was an exaggerator. this report is going to be sharply contradicted by democrats. but republicans believe that they have essentially found no collusion. and key point tonight, anderson, the senate intelligence commi commity -- assessment from january 2017 that the russians tried to help trump. very well could be breaking down on party lines. >> and what about the democrats on the committee, what are they saying tonight? >> reporter: they are blind sided by this. adam schiff, the top democrat on the committee had not even spoken with mike conaway today
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as news we were reporting this afternoon that they had planned to end the investigation. not surprisingly, schiff reacting strongly to this decision to end the investigation. he says the history is going to judge the republicans harshly for the decision to cede oversight on this key issue. decided not to investigate a number of key matters, refusing to get more information people like hope hicks as well as steve bannon who conaway says will not hold in contempt. i asked conaway why are you not issuing subpoenas for some key documents. he said you can use subpoenas when you can get something from
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them. we are not confident it can give us information that we don't already have. >> all right. thanks very much. joining us is congressman chris stewart. thanks for being with us. ed the initial finding. >> it is clear sprand by the wa it is not just this committee, the senior democrat or republican on the senate side says the same thing and so does dianne feinstein so does director clapper. tell me the strongest piece of evidence that you have that supports the theory of collusion, because there just isn't. and we have been looking at this for going on 15 minutes. >> the committee didn't
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interview paul manafort, didn't subpoena bank records. how is the investigation complete. how should the american people have confidence that it is complete? >> the first four individuals that you talked about are under indictment. and we cannot interview them now. we will allow the special counsel to continue with his investigation. anyone who brings up those people doesn't understand the process or being honest about it. the other individuals you mentioned many of them have come to the committee more than once. hope hicks had been with our committee for eight or night hours. i heard asking the same question again and again. there is not much more to learn. >> didn't their answers essentially say i am not going to answer that question.
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a lot of them seemed to claim some sort of right not to answer questions based on presidential privilege. >> sure. there was one individual and that is mr. bannon who i disagreed with and was frustrated with at the time and expressed that. he took a generous interpretation to executive privilege which we didn't agree with and we forced him to come back. mr. lewandowski came back over two questions. and it wasn't that he refused to answer it. he said i want to be careful. i want to be prepared to answer that question and he came back and answered the questions. the narrative to the story that these witnesses weren't willing to work with us is not true. many of them were there for a long day and answered the questions that we asked them. >> there were a number of witnesses which democrats on the committee wanted subpoenas to be issued but declined.
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>> this is important. they gave us a list of 83 witnesses. some of them are russians. one of them has passed away. no longer living. there is no way in the world those russians are going to talk to our committee. do we not issue a report until we talk to them? in that case we will never issue a report. we feel the responsibility to tell the american people what we learned. and we are coming up on the next election. let's tell them our conclusions and see what we have learned. and the second point is this, if there is more evidence that comes forward, we will pursue that. this is an initial report to tell the people what we know although this point. >> the former dni director was asked if there was any chance if the russian's goal was to sew discourse.
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>> i don't agree. their objectives evolved over time and certainly to start with, they were interested in sewing as much doubt and discord as they possibly could and because starting with personal an mouse that president put tine had for hillary clinton they wanted to do everything they could to hurt her. then when candidate trump came they were attracted to him. >> the current office of the director of national intelligence which you know president trump appointed the head to it is also standing by that 2017 assessment. so what did the republicans on the intelligence committee see that the fbi, the cia and the dni missed? >> i agree that they initially were trying to sow discord.
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no question about that. i have spent a couple of days out at the cia reading the raw intelligence. reading what we were basing this on and when we release that report, we will show the cia just got it wrong just like they did in the gulf war where they said there were weapons of mass destruction that we did not find. the cia is not perfect. they will from time to time will make mistakes. we will show the people they were wrong on this. they misinterpreted some key intelligence and drew the wrong conclusions. that is a separate topic and i look forward to talking about that. we will be able to release some of that information. >> the entire intelligence committee having come to this conclusion? that is a massive failure of u.s. intelligence. >> there is one thing that is
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often said at least said initially. all 17 agencies concluded and that wasn't true. those were the only ones who draw this conclusion and director of nsa said i agree with it, but not with the same type of high degree of confidence. but once again, some of those individuals many of them haven't had access to the raw intelligence like those of us on the committee have and all we can do is go look at it and try to report on our conclusions on it and try to do it in a fair manner. >> are you saying people of the cia didn't have access to raw intelligence? >> no i am saying some of the individuals said that is not my conclusion but i don't believe he has looked on intelligence. >> as head of dni he wouldn't have access. >> he certainly did. but whether he took the time to do it. >> the fact that devin nunes
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went to the white house to give them information when in fact the white house had provided it to him. why should people have confidence in these findings. it does seem a polarized. this is traditionally a committee which could be relied on buy bipartisan. >> it is disappointing for many of us on the committee who enjoyed the bipartisan of the committee previous to this. and we would like to recap sure that. i don't agree with your characterization of those events. i don't agree with necessarily the way you described it or characterized it. but let me make another point if i could. you are saying devin nunes did something that we find kind of unusual and we can't understand and therefore the work of the
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committee is irrelevant or flawed. that is like me saying i could go down a long list of things that the ranking member mr. schiff has said that turned out not to be true. for example when he was joked by a kuk -- ukrainian radio station. therefore i don't say everything that he has said is inaccurate or wrong. you have to look at totality. to be fair, look at this in its totality, and wait until you see the report. wait until you see our conclusions. i think once you do you are going to say this seems reasonable. we tried very hard not to be bipartisan or accuse people or tried very hard to provide positive recommendations on how to avoid this in the future. >> you quoted senator dianne
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feinstein, she was asked months ago if she saw any conclusion, and she said not so far. >> i appreciate your time. >> thank you sir. >> later, the man who said he would not cooperate. sam nunberg joins us with his thoughts. there are two types of people in the world. those who fear the future... and those who embrace it. the future is for the unafraid. ♪ ♪
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assessm reaffirmed tonight that vladimir putin was trying to hurt hillary clinton. do you agree congressman castro with the house republicans there was no evidence of collusion between the trump campaign and russia? >> i strongly disagree and this is a real betrayal of the american people. >> have you seen evidence to suggest there was collusion? >> absolutely. let me start with one fact. roger stone knowing ahead of time that wikileaks would dump e-mails belonging to hillary clinton. that is one example. the meetings that were attempted, the e-mail communications with groups like
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wikileaks. the meetings in june of 2016 between kushner and donald trump jr., and others. that is the private stuff that happened that the trump campaign denied until caught red handed. and then the public statements made. donald trump cannot wash his activity just by making it public. he actively invited russians to hack into hillary clinton's e-mail system. if that information was found in e-mail, that would have been a smoking gun. >> we asked all the questions we wanted to ask. refusal to answer some of the
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questions but congressman stewart was saying there was no need to subpoena people and we got the answers we needed. >> and i respect him. my colleague congressman stewart but i wholeheartedly disagree. this was a take their word for it investigation that went through the motions. this is like bringing in a suspect for arson and you ask did you start fire and they say i didn't start a fire. and you say great, go home. >> congressman stewart said i went to the cia and read the raw intelligence and the cia got it wrong. what did they know that the u.s. intelligence committee doesn't?
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>> some of that is classified. i heard the bit by former dni clapper. and i agree it started out as a campaign to create chaos and pour acid on every wound of politics to divide people. it came clear that donald trump had a chance to win, then you saw more efforts for russians to intervene and be helpful. part of that is dumping the clinton campaign e-mails. >> do you believe the cia got it wrong? the fbi got it wrong? the dni got it wrong? >> no. i believe their intelligence agencies. thing they got it right and i had a chance to visit the headquarters. were democrats consulted on this at all. >> no. and i heard adam schiff would have been contacted first.
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and i heard he was not told and i had not heard anything. >> our democrats going to issue their own report and if so, when can we expect it? >> i can't speak officially for the democratic members but my vote is that we issue our own report and i suspect everyone will agree with that. >> why should anybody have confidence in this house intelligence committee moving forward whether it is related to russian collusion or the lack of it, or you know, the next thing that is investigated? >> given everything that has happened, that is a fair and sad question that has to be asked. this is a committee that had worked in a bipartisan way. i am on two committees and i have been blessed that those committees are not two of the
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accura accuracy crim monnous committees. i can only hope that we will be able to work in the traditionally bipartisan ways on those issues. >> joining me now, phil mud and gloria borger. phil, explain what you think of the republican closing the committee essentially. >> we have a responsibility when we look to our congress whether they are democrats or republicans. they are looking at the same issue that mueller is looking at. how many times in the past two hours since this story broke have we had conversations about the primary responsibility of the congressman you just spoke with in the last ten minutes. that responsibility i can capture in one sentence. what are you doing to ensure that we are safe in the next election. they are legislating the exact
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same thing that mueller is doing with one difference. they are acknowledging that they can't speak to some witnesses. you mean to tell me an investigation you are closed but can't speak to primary witnesses because they are under indictment? that is correct but tell me how you close the investigation and are convinced nothing happened. second thing, what capable did they have to look at money transactions, phone, text, e-mails. did anyone have an exhaustive investigation in that? this is a sham. and the american people should be ashamed for paying for this. and these guys, including democrats and republicans are fraud. devin nunes has spent too much time talking to the white house. what are you going to do to
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protect us next time. instead they piss all over each other. >> got it wrong. >> the burden is going to be on that republican report to prove what, i mean, just any one watching what is in the public domain over the last few years. the burden is on them to prove what we have seen is not true. we know that vladimir putin developed an antipathy for hillary clinton. that is in the public record. we know that the social media campaign in 2016 and 2015 was targeted on hillary. they only hacked and leaked dnc material that damaged hillary clinton.
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we know a series of facts showing publicly, you don't have to know any classified intelligence to know what the relationship, what putin thought about this campaign. i interviewed last year, i was in europe and interviewed a former russian broadcaster who worked for state tv, he was told by superiors to cover the american campaign. the public state tv to cover hillary negatively and trump positively. this is a high burden on republicans who write this report. >> gloria, i mean the house intelligence committee they have been incredibly partisan for the last year and if mueller comes out with a report saying something completely different, it is not going to look good for the republicans who issued this record. >> no, it is not. but this is a political
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document. what they are doing is giving donald trump cover. that is what devin nunes was doing when he rushed to say an attack, the fbi and the justice department in the way they handled this investigation and that is the way it has gone all along and now you have a committee which is stunning, which is winding up with a position that is closer to the kremlin than it is to u.s. intelligence services. because u.s. intelligence services have said russia meddled and putin ordered it. what this committee is saying russia meddles but not to help donald trump. this gives donald trump a big boost. and now the democrats, you know, phil is right, the democrats are gook going to issue another report. and congress ought to be in the
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business to explaining to the american public what has happened. they have not done that. and instead now, everybody is going to have to look to bob muler and suddenly, he becomes more important because he becomes the great adjudicator here. now trump has more than a convenient talking point. also, from austin, texas a string of package bombs. the latest when we continue. i am totally blind. and non-24 can throw my days and nights out of sync, keeping me from the things i love to do. talk to your doctor,
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more now on the breaking news, the house intelligence committee white house friendly conclusion. >> there has been no collusion. >> no collusion. >> they all say no collusion. and there is no collusion. i can only say this. absolutely no collusion. it has been determined there has been no collusion. nobody has found any collusion. >> phil, we heard from congressman stewart saying they got it wrong just as the intelligence committee got wmd and iraq wrong. is that possible. he gleans something that the cia missed and the fbi and the dni. >> i got a question about him advising what he saw was erroneous intelligence.
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the american people, if there are differences of opinion whether the cia was accurate, surprisingly the republicans say the cia got it wrong and democrats saying they got it right. what we need is a piece of paper here is why. and me, as someone who has never looked at intelligence in this way, the way a cia analyst who looks at it, that i am right. why do you think he says that? i think we deserve is a single document why it is wrong. >> the head of the dni now who is appointed by the president stands by the ic report from 2017. >> absolutely.
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and no senior member of the intelligence committee has disputed it. it defies what we know. does anyone in their right mind think that trump -- excuse me, think that putin does not favor trump over hillary? we know that just from their different positions were. one was anti nato, one was anti sanctions and the other wasn't. we have to declassify the report. if the american people are going to understand this issue, they of have to put out a fully declassified version. only way that the american people are going to have confidence that what they are saying is true. >> he refused to answer a whole host of questions because he was
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talking to his father and lawyers in the room, that the entire thing is attorney client privilege. and most legal experts say that is not the case and it is not clear to me, a, they didn't get answers from him about the trump tower meeting and they say it was unwise in the report or ill-advised. but the idea that i am not sure they were able to subpoena documents and get all the e-mails from all of the people, from manafort, and kushner and everybody who attended the meeting. >> and what we don't know, that if they wanted to, if bob mueller said leave that to me. but we know from reading what we are reading, it doesn't seem like they were particularly interested in pursuing bank records and subpoenas. what it involves armed is the conspiracy about the deep state
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getting it wrong. because what the deep state really wants to do, and i guess by deep state it is the fbi or justice department or as devin nunes might say is they wanted to delegitimize the election of donald trump. and if the conclusion were to say that putin had put his thumb on the scale, on the side of donald trump, then, donald trump would be upset because that would mean that in some way shape or form, he was aided and his election wasn't legitimate. so the only conclusion that i think you draw if you are a trump supporter is that of course all of the intelligence communities were wrong and moscow is right. thanks very much. former trump campaign aide who spent hours on cable television last week saying he would not comply with the subpoena did testify. sam nunberg joins me next.
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sam nunberg is a former aide with the trump presidential campaign. he was on broadcast saying he would not comply with the subpoena. sam nunberg joins me now. thanks for being with us. i want to get to your grand jury appearance. and i want to ask you about the committee shutting down the investigation. he had said that president trump should agree to be interviewed by the special counsel. do you think now this would allow him to either not appear
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before mueller. >> no. because it is two different issues. the committee is investigating. they can do whatever they want in the house and whatever they want in the senate. but this independent counsel is not going to shut down any time soon unless they have certain answers they get from the president. >> do you think the president might use this as a reason to fire mueller? >> the president should not fire mueller. >> you think he should testify. >> not testify. i don't think mueller will be the one questioning him. but if they could come to an agreement, that would be add ve vennstageous for everyone. >> can i ask you in general what officials asked you about? the general topics? >> i don't even feel government with the topics because i would
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be undermining what the government is presenting to the grand jury. i can talk about in my voluntary interview. i think it is obvious they are asking me about julian assange. and i was with mr. trump, then mr. trump and now the president for four years. and i was around even though i was through that summer, i was around new york and i could hear certain things and i have a connection with roger. >> you said they asked you about michael cohn but you didn't answer was it because of attorney client privilege? >> there are some things that i feel that i can't necessarily answer about things i heard around the office if it involves the president and involves
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michael. this is a question they asked me, did the president ever take a position he directly told you because of his business interest and the answer is no. >> do you believe cohn could be in legal trouble based on the total of your grand jury or your voluntary interview? >> not based on the grand jury or my voluntary interview, but recent developments about alleged payments of stormy daniels. there are a lot of issues they could be looking into in terms of financial things and things like that. i only know what i read. what i tell you is that michael is extremely loyal to the president and worked very hard for the president. and i think he has an attorney client privilege relationship and we will find out.
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>> do you think he is a witness or a target? >> at the very least he is a subject. and i think that is obvious. a lot of times when you ask me what questions did they ask in the grand jury, which i won't talk about but viewers can understand what they are asking if you watch the hearings, because they are similar. >> the difference between, i am just curious on a personal level because you are one of the few people who has done them both. the difference sitting in front of the voluntary interview and sitting in front of the grand jury, what is it like? they have a lot more time during the voluntary. and people have said they have a checklist. >> in the grand jury they meet i believe two times a week. i will tell you to the extent i looked at the grand jury because mostly facing the lawyer who was questioning me, these people are taking notes very serious.
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>> very attentive. i testified in a stalker case, and there were people reading the newspaper. you didn't see that. >> no. the voluntary interview was harder. because you walk in and i think this is just what they do all the time, the first let's say 75 minutes, 60 minutes whatever it is, they go at you rapidly and they want to test whether or not you are going to be truthful and they are really asking you all these types of questions that for some of them hard for me to recall. >> but that they already knew the answer to. >> exactly. at one point they did tell me. there was one question they asked me several times. and they said mr. nunberg, we know these answer. so compared to the grand jury, they are just trying to get the
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information and straight facts. one of the reasons i would say this was not a witch hunt for my participation is they never asked me in the grand jury, what is your opinion, what do you think? >> they just want facts. >> so you don't believe it is a witch hunt against the president. >> i don't because i don't think rosenstein has any choice once they used the memo as a rationale to fire comey. but then, and he was so illserved by his staffed, he had the russians in the oval office. >> obviously every attorney last week was saying, you have to appear before the grand jury and you said you weren't going to. why did you decide to. >> that was something nobody figured out. i got two subpoenas.
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i was always going to appear. this process was emotional for me. you know, i have clients, i have things i have to do. so i think that was the issue there. but at the end, i to the best of my abilities i fully cooperated. >> are you glad you did? >> yeah. i always intended once again to show up to the grand jury. i went through and tried to get all the documents they wanted as quickly as i could and it wasn't as onerous as i thought it was going to be. >> breaking news, another death and another injury after two new package explosions in austin. what police are saying whether they are connected. next. you said $30 dollars. it was $30 before the pizza-ordering fee and the dog-sitting fee. are those my heels? with t-mobile taxes and fees are already included, so you get four unlimited lines for just $35 bucks each.
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breaking news tonight. one dead, another badly injured in two separate explosions that rocked the texas capital, austin. police say the blast seemed to be linked to another deadly explosion that happened just ten days ago. what do we know about these explosions? >> reporter: well, anderson, let's start with today. so early this morning, shortly before 6:45 in the morning, a young african-american male, a 17-year-old high school student, saw a package on the front porch of his house. he, as you would, went out, brought it into the house. in the kitchen, he opened it. it exploded, killing him almost instantly and injuring a woman in her 40s who was in the
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kitchen at the same time. she is suspected -- she will be okay. she is expected to be okay and survive. but here's where it gets more sinister. ten days ago, just a little bit further north, about 10 or 11 miles further north, a 39-year-old african-american man also saw a package on the front porch of his house. he picked it up, opened it. it exploded. he survived the initial impact, but he died within the hour. now, today not long after the police were telling us about these incidents and telling that they believed they were related, there was a third attack on the street behind me. a 75-year-old hispanic woman picked up a package on her porch. it also exploded. she is in stable but critical condition right now. >> have police said anything about who they think is behind this? >> reporter: well, they stress this is very, very early in the investigation. but because those first two
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homes targeted both belonged to african-americans, the police chief today said -- and i quote -- he said, we cannot rule out that hate is at the core of this. but, again he stressed we are in the very, very early stages of this investigation. the fbi is now on the scene. the atf is on the scene. they are trying to figure out very quickly who might be behind this before another attack happens obviously. now, listen to what that chief of police had to say about who they think they might be looking for. >> we have an individual that has the ability to construct these bombs and to have them successfully detonate and cause what we've seen so far, serious injury and loss of life. we are not calling it a serial bomber, but we have a pattern of instances that have occurred in the community that we're very concerned about and that we have brought all of the resources possible to bear. what the community, number one, we want them to be vigilant, but we also want them to understand that there is no stone that will be left unturned. >> reporter: now, they stress be vigilant.
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