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personal lawyer, michael cohen, is involved in the ongoing legal battle. now, this is one of the documents. take a look. it's a demand for arbitration filed in california by an attorney who works for a donald trump company. she lists her address as one trump national drive, rancho palosver days, california, it's signed by an attorney named jill a. martin, that address also happens to be the address of the trump national government course not far from los angeles. there's not much room for doubt that ms. martin has been an employee for donald trump. this is her linked in page which identifies her as a vice president and assistant general counsel for the trump organization. and here's her california state bar page also listing her address as the trump national golf club. as far as the arbitration goes, in a declaration labeled highly confidential, it names peggy peterson, a pseudonym for stormy daniels as the respondent. it lists ec, llc as the party seeing relief. those initials stand for essential consultants, the company created by michael cohen
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to funnel cash payment of $130,000 to ms. daniels in return for a promise to keep quiet about the reported affair, which ms. daniels claims began in 2006 and lasted through 2007. as more and more comes out about the story, mr. cohen has continued to deny the affair ever happened, but has acknowledged the payment saying just last month, quote, in a private transaction in 2016, i used my own personal funds to facilitate a payment of $130,000 to ms. stephanie clifford. neither the trump organization nor the trump campaign was party to the transaction, and neither reimbursed me for the payment either directly or indirectly. the trump organization may not have been a party to that transaction, but it's pretty clear one of its attorneys is involved in this case, and it's certainly not the first time she's defended donald trump. in fact, here she is in october 2016 just after that access hollywood tape surfaced appearing on cnn's erin burnett outfront. >> none of us would ever imagine he would do something like this. it's just completely inconsistent with his character
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and our own personal experiences. so because of that, i believe him when he says he didn't do anything inappropriate with women. >> so back to the arbitration case, ms. martin did win a temporary restraining order because the nondisclosure agreement stormy daniels signed said an action could be brought against her, quote, without any advance notice. that's an assertion ms. daniels current attorney strongly disputes. we've just received a statement from ms. martin. quote, as previously reported, lawrence rosen, a new york attorney, is representing ec, llc, in the arbitration, the trump organization is not representing anyone and with the exception of one of its california-based attorney in her individual capacity facilitating the initial filing pending the pro hac admission of mr. rosen, the company has had no involvement in the matter. we also should note that we've reached out to michael cohen, have not yet heard back from him. michael avenatti joins us now. so explain this because michael cohen all along has said the trump organization was not a party to this, had nothing to do
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with this. he's a -- you've in the past shown documents that show that michael cohen has responded or has gotten e-mails from his bank to his trump organization e-mail address and then forwarded that to his private e-mail address to then communicate with stormy daniels' former attorney. now this is a new trump employee, jill martin, new to this saga, who was involved in this arbitration. what's the significant for you? >> oh, what a tangled web we weave when we practice to deceive, anderson. the saga continues. for months we have heard from mr. cohen and from others associated with the trump organization that there was no linkage between ec, llc, and the trump organization. mr. cohen has maintained that he formed that llc on his own, unbeknownst to mr. trump, unbeknownst to the trump organization, that he drafted the documents. >> and that he did it just out of loyalty to his friend, donald trump. >> correct. he expects the american people
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to believe he spent all this time and energy, hours upon hours doing all of this work, and the president never knew anything about it, and no one in the trump organization ever knew anything about it. we've already produced and you've shown some of the documents on the show. the trump organization e-mails. we now have these documents. the statement that was provided by ms. martin is demonstrably false. if you look at the first document that you showed your viewers, in the upper left hand corner it designates ms. martin as a representative, a legal representative of ec, llc. it's right there in the upper left hand corner. >> and she is a full-time employee of the trump organization. >> she is a full-time employee as evidenced by the state bar page, as evidenced by the linkedin page. she has no other job. she's a vice president and a general counsel of the trump organization. and so there can be no question that the trump organization was representing ec, llc, in connection with this
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arbitration, and we need to remember the focus of the arbitration. the focus of this filing in february was to gag my client, put a muzzle on her and prevent her from speaking, and that's why they filed the arbitration, to obtain what's called a temporary restraining order. so this idea that there is a separation between ec, llc, and donald trump and the trump organization is a complete and utter fiction. >> so i mean i do not understand why michael cohen, if he was acting in his own capacity as a private individual, not as a member of the trump organization, didn't tell anybody in the trump organization, why he would reach out to the general counsel of the trump organization to get involved in this arbitration. i mean there's plenty of lawyers in l.a. he could have reached out to. >> it's probably because there's only two lawyers in los angeles, myself and ms. martin. it's a big city, but we only have two lawyers.
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of course i'm being facetious. we have more lawyers than you can imagine. some might describe it as a nightmare we have so many lawyers in the city. but it is bizarre to us that, in fact, they would reach out to ms. martin if, in fact, the trump organization had nothing to do with it. it makes no sense. the american people, anderson, we are crossing the rubicon now to a place where the american people are seeing documents. they are being presented with facts. they're being presented with evidence. people are smart. they're not stupid. they can judge for themselves when people are being honest with them and when people are trying to pull one over on them. >> i want to bring in our chief legal analyst, jeffrey toobin. jeff, does michael's explanation make sense to you? why would michael cohen, again, if this is a private matter that he wants nothing -- no involvement from the trump organization and it's his money from the home equity line of credit as he claims, would he go to the general counsel, jill martin? >> well, part of this undoubtedly is that michael cohen, like his patron, donald
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trump, is incredibly cheap, and he didn't want to go retain a lawyer. >> you really think -- >> i think that's part of it. but the other part of it is this is a trump enterprise to keep stormy daniels quiet. >> no doubt in your mind? >> it has to be. the other thing that's worth noting here -- i don't know if we've focused on it. there's a lot of, you know, facts and figures coming up. the signature that jill martin -- of this document is february 22nd, 2018. it's a month ago, not even. i mean this is a trump enterprise ongoing to try to keep stormy daniels from telling her story. february of 2018, she's signing this document. michael cohen is involved in this day to day. his lawyers are involved day to day. this is a trump project to keep stormy daniels quiet. i don't know -- i mean obviously i never spoke to stormy daniels. you all have.
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i don't know the underlying truth here of what went on between donald trump and stormy daniels, if anything. but what's quite clear is that not just michael cohen but the trump organization is trying to keep her quiet. >> let me add this, anderson. i think jeff raises a very good point relating to the date of this document, february 22nd, 2018. the statement that you placed before your viewers earlier from mr. cohen pre-dated this statement, not postdated it. >> so he had already gone on record saying -- >> exactly. >> that this was not a trump organization operation. >> exactly. weeks prior when he went on record, it was weeks prior to february 22nd, 2018. and weeks later, jill martin, a vice president and general counsel of the organization, signs this document. >> let me put up that michael cohen statement again just for our viewers. okay. so this is michael cohen before -- >> it has the date on it. >> february -- what is that? 14th?
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13th. in a private transaction in 2016, i used my own personal funds to facilitate a payment of $130,000 to ms. stephanie clifford. neither the trump organization, nor the trump campaign was a party to the transaction with ms. clifford, and neither reimbursed me for the payment either directly or indirectly. so the whole notion that the trump organization was not a party to -- whether it's to that or to this ongoing operation, certainly to the ongoing operation, you can't say the trump organization's not a party. >> not involved. now, what i assume jill martin would say is, i wasn't really involved in the litigation. she uses the phrase pro hoc, which refers to the act of allowing an out of town lawyer to appear in your state. she will say -- and that's implied in her statement is that i wasn't really involved in the litigation. i was just helping mr. rosen, the real lawyer, appear here because he's not a california lawyer. but that goes to the question of out of all the lawyers in
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california to help you get your point across, why you pick someone in the trump organization unless this is a trump organization initiative. >> i suppose mr. cohen could also say -- and, again, we reached out to him, have not heard back -- that because he wanted this to remain confidential, that's why he reached out to somebody in the trump organization. would that make sense? >> well, no, it wouldn't, because there's something called the attorney-client privilege, which mandates that attorneys that are licensed, that are serving clients, maintain the confidences of those clients. so the idea that somehow this was the only attorney in the entire state of california that would maintain this confidence, i think, is nonsense. >> and it would be the last person you would involve is someone from the trump organization if you were trying to wall this off from the trump organization. you would never go to a trump organization person. you would go to anyone but. >> but michael cohen, as far as i know, is a trained attorney. so i mean why would a trained
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attorney make this statement in early february or mid-february, 13th or 14th, saying trump organization nothing to do with it and then, after making that statement -- and it's not like if was a small statement. that was a big deal statement, got a lot of coverage. why would any licensed attorney then reach out to somebody in the trump organization even if it was for a minimal role? >> again, to play lawyer here, i think he might say that that statement only applied to who was paying. the trump organization didn't pay. this statement -- this is not an acknowledgement that the trump organization actually paid any money. i mean i'm trying to torture the words -- >> but it is example, according to both of you, that the trump organization is involved in this ongoing effort. >> it certainly is. >> for all intents and purposes, every piece of actual evidence, separate and apart from what mr. cohen may try to tell the american people, every piece of actual evidence demonstrates that ec, llc, equals the trump
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organization slash donald trump. that's what the evidence shows. that's what the e-mails show. that's what this document shows. that's what other documents show. it's that simple. there's no -- there's no distinction. >> and the reason why anyone should care about, you know, who these people are is the question is who paid this hush money and why. why did stormy daniels get $130,000 on the eve of the election? michael cohen has been saying this was just me. the trump -- the candidate trump, the trump organization had nothing to do with it. these documents -- they don't prove, but they certainly suggest that the trump organization has been intimately involved in the effort to keep stormy daniels quiet from the beginning. >> but you still don't know where the money came from, where the $130,000 came from. michael cohen says it's from his home equity line of credit. >> not yet. but thus far when we have attempted to test the veracity of the statements of michael cohen, he's failed each time.
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and i'm highly confident he's going to fail that one too. >> appreciate it. more to come on that no doubt. next, the latest on the too close to call congressional race election in western pennsylvania and white house efforts to paint a democratic victory as actually a victory for president trump. and later, waves of kids walk out of their sculls in a nationwide effort to bring attention to gun violence and school safety. we'll show you where it happened and how big it was. that five stars, two thumbs up, 12-out-of-10, would recommend thing. because if you only want the best thing, you get the #1 thing. directv is rated #1 in customer satisfaction over cable. switch now and get a $200 reward card. more for your thing. that's our thing. call 1.800.directv broccabbage! beans! get your vegetables without a side of gas. the activated charcoal in charcocaps adsorbs gas
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the president returns to a different white house tonight
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with a new economic adviser on the way in and a number of other big name officials possibly on the way out. politically it's a different washington as well with republicans scrambling to explain their apparent loss in a congressional race that should have been a gimme. democrat conor lamb on the left there is slightly ahead, likely to prevail over republican rick saccone in what was less than two years ago trump country. joining us now, jeff zeleny. >> reporter: the white house quickly moved to distance itself from what appears to be a loss there. i mean the president of course was in pennsylvania over the weekend talking about the fact that he won the district by some 20 points. even as he was doing that, we were told he had a sense that it was not going in the right direction. now, they were afraid in the -- you know, about 24 hours ago of getting blown out there. so they believe, you know, that his visit may have tightened it. but the reality here is the white house not surprisingly blaming it on saccone, saying he was not a good candidate for this moment here, not taking any
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responsibility, though, for the fact that the president -- he may have helped drive some turnout at the end, but his policies over the last year certainly excited democrats far more. >> jeff, even as the president was campaigning in pennsylvania last weekend for saccone, the white house had already started to try to distance itself from the candidate. >> i mean they did. this is something we've seen. the white house has gotten a bit of practice at this, anderson, quite frankly through special elections in alabama, of course. you know, most prominently with that senate race there. the president went all-in for roy moore. of course he lost. so the white house was doing a bit of that playbook here, distancing itself, blaming the candidate, again not talking about their own policies. but it's one of the reasons the president was raising money again tonight in st. louis. i'm told some $2 million. and the question here is, is he better off -- is a better use of his time to be at closed door fund-raisers, not big rallies because when he does these big
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rallies, he also energizes the other side, the democratic base here. so that is something we're going to be watching with much interest to see if this president is not in as high of demand as he hopes he might be. >> thanks very much. joining us, two political veterans, paul begala and steve cortes. paul, you wrote in a column for cnn, you said republicans are going to need a bigger yacht, using the old line from "jaws," because of the results. why should this send them into a panic? that's what you seem to be -- >> because although president trump is still reasonably popular in this district which he won by 20 points, he's still above water there. that is to say more popular than not. he couldn't save rick saccone. a lot of democrats are saying he sunk him. i don't believe that, but he couldn't save him. it means if you're a congressional republican, even if a district like this, which is 94% white, it's the seventh whitest congressional district in america. three out of five of those white people in that district have only a high school education.
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trump dominated there, and he couldn't save rick saccone. this happens a lot. barack obama, very gifted politician, couldn't save democrats in those midterms. the republicans now face a terrible conundrum. they can try to run away from trump, in which case they'll probably lose. or they can embrace trump like rick saccone, in which case they'll lose narrowly. >> jason miller was making the point after trump spoke, saccone's numbers went up by five points. >> maybe. he still lost. so he lost a more narrow race. the notion that trump could save these folks -- i man he ran -- >> i don't think trump could save him but i don't know he would have been in the race without trump. >> i'd be in the race without trump. >> i think what we learned from last night, tip o'neill taught us all politics is local. what we saw last night is rick saccone is not even close to the politician donald trump is. what we also saw on the democratic side is conor lamb is a far better politician than hillary clinton was. likable, moderate, worked hard, campaigned hard.
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did all the things that hillary clinton didn't do. having said that, i'll be the first to say am i worried about the fall? of course i am. you know why? history. let's put this in context. there's a lot of talk about losing seats. history says that's extremely likely. paul knows what happened in the clinton white house during the midterms. the last three really popular two-term presidents, barack obama, bill clinton, ronald reagan, all three of them had disastrous first midterms. >> we heard from the white house saying the reason lamb won is because he essentially is donald trump-light. that he embraced the president. >> that's so dumb. what steve is saying is really smart, which is -- >> he said i didn't support nancy pelosi. he wanted to appear with an ar 15 in one of his campaign commercials. he wasn't out there talking about climate change and a lot of issues which democrats -- >> there are important lessons here for democrats. he ran a middle class economics. so he's pro-union, pro-medicare, pro-social security. he also was pro-roe v. wade,
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pro-background checks. >> he said he was pro-life but would not vote that way. >> he ran on a very democratic platform. the most important thing is he attacked the trump tax cuts. republicans came in and spent millions trying to make that an issue, and then they stopped advertising it. why? because they were losing on their signature accomplishment. this is why smart republicans are looking at this and they're saying, this is not heartburn, okay? this is a heart attack. >> steve, are you arguing that along with the white house, that he's trump-light, that he's -- >> i wouldn't say trump-light, but i think he's a sensible democrat. there's not many sensible democrats. you mentioned nancy pelosi. there's not a lot of conor lambs out there. there's a lot more nancy pelosis and elizabeth warrens. he made an interesting -- in his speech at 1:00 last night, which i was on cnn to listen to. he mentioned something about his grandparents' democratic party. it made me think about my
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maternal grandmother. irish catholic democrat who loved fdr and jfk. the democratic party left that kind of voter clearly from the 1960s onward. conor lamb is an attempt to try to get that kind of voter back. but on a national level to try to fix this to trump, this is the point i want to make. i'm worried about the fall quite frankly. i think history tells you you should be. >> because of trump? >> no, more because of history, because of what happens generally in the first midterm. i'm not at all worried about 2020 with donald trump. the reason i say that is if fru trump were running in the 18th district, he would have run again because of the way he excites that very base that lamb -- >> what about jeff zeleny's argument that some people are concerned donald trump appearing that he can energize the base but also energize the opposition. >> that's the problem. not just the opposition. the people who voted for trump and now are disappointed in him. we do these endless stories and i read the book about trump
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voters who would say with him even if trump said i shot a man on fifth avenue. what's much more interesting is those trump voters who have switched. now they're conor lamb voters. >> to steve's point, there's not necessarily a lot of conor lambs, or are there? >> we just had a very talented moderate democrat doug jones. ralph north am won in virginia. what republican will break with trump and still get support from the national republicans? none because the republican party has become a culture personality. democratic party has learned we have to be about ideas. >> tell that to ben sasse and lindsey graham and -- look, conor lamb, here's why i'm not worried about 2020. conor lamb or a candidate like him can never win on a national basis in the democratic party.
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the democratic party nationally is far too left, and their primary tilt far too left for somebody like him to win. >> i laugh because steve is an acknowledged expert on my party. >> i study it quite a bit. >> bill clinton won the democratic nomination. sometimes -- >> it was a while ago. >> it waxes and waynes. but the thing is impressive about conor lamb's victory is people who voted for trump who are already quitting on him. those are the most interesting voters out there. >> you see significant movement with that? >> mostly it's been college educated white people in virginia and alabama. here the college educated white people, who always have been republican, always, they've been switching and they switched for hillary. now for the first time we're seeing some, not a ton -- it's a crack as ron brownstein wrote in the atlantic. you're seeing some high school educated white people in this pennsylvania 18th saying, i've had a belly full of trump's tax
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cuts and his policies. >> is that based on chaos in the white house, things like that? >> chaos doesn't help. i'm telling you democrats who run on medicare and social security are going to win. >> paul begala, steve cortes, appreciate it. coming up next, the former director of national intelligence, james clapper. be right back. turn up your swagger game with one a day men's. ♪ get ready for the wild life
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committee plans to vote next week on a final version of its report on their russia investigation while at the same time republicans on the committee are already hedging about their own conclusions. so let's just explain the time line and get it set here. two nights ago, you may remember monday night republicans on the committee said they were shutting down their russia probe after concluding that there was no collusion between the trump campaign and russia. that message worked at least on fox news where the story was just no collusion, just like the president's often repeated two-word mantra. this committee is chaired by devin nunes, who was exposed working with the white house to cover for the president's false allegation that he was wiretapped by president obama. on monday night a house republican said not only was there no collusion, but reportedly they didn't believe that russia's meddling had the purpose of helping donald trump as a candidate. never mind that that something the intelligence community agrees on. yesterday some key members of the committee already started backing away from that. we're talking about trey gowdy
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who admitted it was clear russia at least trying to undermine hillary clinton. republican mike conaway said whether one concluding the russian effort was designed to help mr. trump get elected is a quote, glass half full, glass half empty thing, whatever that means. on monday, i asked committee member chris stewart why he doubted the intelligence community's assessment about russia's motives. he basically said he knew better than former director of national intelligence james clapper. >> i have done something now that he has not done, and that is i have spent a couple days out to the cia actually reading the raw intelligence, actually reading what we were basing this on. and when we release that report, we're going to be able to show, you know what? the cia just got it wrong, just like they did in the gulf war where they said there was weapons of mass destruction that we didn't find. >> with me now is former director of national intelligence james clapper. director clapper, is there any truth to what congressman stewart just claimed? is he in a position to read raw data and interpret it more accurately than the officers and analysts at the cia or the fbi
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or dni? >> well, he's certainly entitled to, you know, access to anything he sees a need for, and i think this was done in the immediate aftermath of the report that we did the highly classified version in january of 2017. and i don't agree with his findings here, and i'd just take a moment to explain here how this was done. we put together a team of almost 30 people composed of experts from the three agencies, nsa, fbi, and cia, who are steeped in russia and understand what goes on in russia and understand putin. and that was augmented by three people or so from my staff, and that's who put together this report. this was not done by jim clapper, james comey, john brennan, and mike rogers.
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so we had -- and these are professional civil servants, career officers in the intelligence community. and i don't know quite how congressman stewart, whom i respect, former air force veteran like myself -- but i don't know how he knows what i read or what i was exposed to 14 or 15 months ago to say that i didn't read anything. i reviewed this reporting in depth with john brennan, the director of the cia at the time. and so it was the compilation of not just one reporting stream, which he seems to have focused on, but a compilation of information drawn from all sources. but let's just, for the sake of -- >> so when he says he went to the cia and read the raw data there -- the raw intelligence there, you're saying his access was only to cia information that would have been at langley, not necessarily nsa information or fbi information? >> well, that's what he said. i don't know. he may have gone to nsa or fbi
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or gained access to that information. i don't know. i believe the committee staff did a fairly detailed wire brush scrubbing of the report, which was heavily footnoted so they could check all the sources at the time. here we are 14-plus months later, and the republicans -- or at least some republicans on the committee now are taking exception to the conclusion we drew, was, one, the russians sought to sow discord and discontent, which they succeeded fairly well. because of the strong personal animus had for the clintons, particularly hillary, they did everything they could to hurt her. and accordingly as time went on, drew the conclusion that candidate trump would be much better for them than she would be. but let's just put aside for that single stream of reporting for the moment and look at all
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the other evidence where fingerprints of putin are clearly there. so these instrumentalities like the russian intelligence services who were actively engaged in or the internet research agency as documented in the indictment of the 13 russians, these things are controlled by putin. any big decisions in russia are made by one guy -- putin. and the russians are actively engaged in war against us in the information sphere. and putin is orchestrating this, and he orchestrated and he called the shots during the run-up to the election, and he's still doing it. >> i mean congressman stewart also likened this situation to when the intelligence community got it wrong when it came to iraq and wmds. is that a fair comparison. his point is, look, they got it wrong then. maybe they're wrong now. >> we did get it wrong. there's no question about it. and i'm very familiar with that
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since my fingerprints were on the infamous weapons of mass destruction national intelligence estimate in october of 2002. but believe me, the intelligence community is learning organization and we profited from that bad experience and have built in all kinds of safeguards and checks and balances to ensure that that sort of thing doesn't happen again. so, yes, you can point to something we did 15 years ago, but that's not necessarily relevant in this particular case. >> the way this investigation unfolded in the house intelligence committee, how much does it undermine or, in your opinion, does it undermine the credibility of this report? do you think we can trust anything in this report? >> well, unfortunately -- and this is kind of sad for me -- is that the credibility of the committee is basically about zero because they're so partisan. i've been around, anderson, since those two committees were stood up. the hpsci in 1976 and the senate intelligence committee a year later. so i've watched them over the
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years, and the only time the committees are effective is when they are bipartisan. and the house intelligence committee is paralyzed because of the partisanship that has emerged over this and the politicization of intelligence, which is what they're supposed to safeguard against. >> director clapper, i also gained some access to some raw intelligence tonight, and i just want to be sure to wish you a very happy birthday today. >> thank you, anderson. there's no place i'd rather be than here with you on my birthday. >> i'm sure that's true. 29 years old. congratulations. director clapper, thank you as always. coming up, students today across the country walking out of class, demanding stricter gun control laws one month after the stoneman douglas shooting. we'll talk to one of the students from stoneman douglas about remembering his classmates today. it naturally traps and removes the waste that weighs me down.
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in cities across the country today in waves as the clock struck 10:00 a.m. local time in classrooms coast to coast, students got up and walked out of class, demanding stricter gun control. the message, we stand with you, we're the future, and we want change. scott mclean reports tonight. >> reporter: what started in florida on display today in schools across the country.
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students in new york showing solidarity with students in parkland, florida. in washington, students, most not old enough to vote, sending a clear message to the white house. and demanding action from lawmakers. >> what parkland showed us is that this could happen in any one of our schools. and we as students can't take this anymore. [ cheers and applause ] >> reporter: some messages could only be seen from the air. a heart in green mills, pennsylvania. in portland, oregon, a peace sign. and in los angeles county, california, the word "enough." the walkouts lasted 17 minutes for the 17 victims in parkland. in st. louis, 17 empty chairs, another sign of those lost. students at columbine high school who weren't even born when 13 were killed inside of
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their school, still feel the impact 19 years later. >> every time i walk into a new classroom, the first thing i do at any year is to find the best place to hide in the door in the case of an accident. it's just a subconscious reaction. any doorway i walk through, that's the first thing going through my mind, just in case, what if. >> reporter: these elementary students had a message in song. ♪ >> scott mclean joins us now from a rally in colorado where students have gathered from a number of high schools including columbine. i understand students in littleton have tried to steer clear of partisan politics. why? >> reporter: anderson, not only that but they're trying to make it clear they still support the second amendment because they don't want to lose support for their cause from students whose families who own guns. they say if this debate becomes purely a partisan one, then nothing will get done. that said, organizers here tonight say that they invited
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politicians from both parties. so far, only democrats have shown up. anderson. >> scott mclean, appreciate it. ji joining us now, one of the stoneman douglas high school students, david hogg. when you see the response from waves of high school students across the nation today, first of all what goes through your mind? >> i think it really shows that change is coming. change is here. and change is here to stay. it shows we have a national movement of young people, future voters, and the future of our country coming out and standing together with us because we've allowed this to happen to us as children. we're not going to allow it to happen to our children and in our future. >> what about you heard the concerns of some students in littleton who were saying they don't want people to think that this is against the second amendment, and they don't want to sort of alienate kids of families who do own guns and are, you know, go hunting and
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are supporters of the second amendment. >> exactly. and i'm one of those families. we have guns in my house. my dad's a retired fbi agent. there are multiple in the never-again movement that have guns in their house. we're not trying to fight against the second amendment here. we're not trying to take your guns. we're trying to implement sensible gun legislation that prevents criminals, people that are mentally unstable from being able to get one. we're not trying to take anyone's guns. really quickly, i have a big announcement to make about the march. we're going to have four major independent women that are standing up and walking beside us. those are ariana grande, jennifer hudson, miley cyrus, and demi lovato. they're going to be marching with us and some of the few people that are coming out and stepping up with us. i think that's the huge support we're starting to see. we're not only seeing students stepping up. we're seeing young americans and young adults that arend s stand
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up with us. >> i wonder what your reaction is to the house today passing the stop school violence act, authorizing money to help train students, teachers, administrators to identify and report warning signs of violence. the legislation doesn't tackle anything with gun control. >> i'm not surprised at all. you know why? because these politicians are still owned by the nra. so is florida. we've seen in florida we can pass some form of legislation, and seeing that pass gives me hope that better gun laws can be passed in our country. but it's certainly a small step in a much bigger movement. we need to see a lot more action. we haven't seen any talk about the dicky amendment. we haven't seen any talk about the digitalization of atf or universal background checks that have 100% support by constituents. how are we not talking about these things? they're things that are sensible gun reform that allow people to own their guns and save lives. >> i imagine you're pretty disappointed in the president, who, you know, seemed to be
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embracing some positions certainly on bump stocks, on raising the age to 21 for buying long rifles and other measures, and then basically sort of stop talking about raising the age to 21, is now saying, let's look at some lawsuits and let's look at it state by state. >> i respect donald trump as the president, but i think he needs to realize that if he wants to call out these people for being owned by the nra like he did in one of the white house meetings, he can't just step back and submit and bow to them. he can't. he is the president of the united states. he needs to show that he, like these other politicians, is not owned by the nra, but what he does when he makes these statements and then steps back on them after meeting with people from the nra and showing that he's intimidated by them, is he makes us look weak as a country. that's not okay. we need to stand up and show we are stronger than the nra because we are the usa. >> you think he's intimidated by the nra even though he was chiding republicans for being
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intimidated by them? >> if he wasn't intimidated by them, then why would he step down? >> david hogg, appreciate your time tonight. thank you very much. coming up, remember when hud secretary ben carson said he didn't know anything about that $31,000 dining room set that was ordered for his office? well, some new e-mails suggest otherwise. we're keeping him honest ahead. e because you get a break on breakfast get an extra day by the pool get to spend more time together get more from your spring break getaway with exclusive hilton offers. book yours, only at gas, bloating, constipation and diarrhea can start in the colon and may be signs of an imbalance of good bacteria. only phillips' colon health has this unique combination of probiotics. it helps replenish good bacteria. get four-in-one symptom defense. when this bell rings... starts a chain reaction... ...that's heard throughout the connected business world. at&t network security helps protect business,
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well, the tables may have turned for hud secretary ben carson over a $31,000 dining set that was ordered for his office. when word got out a spokesman said the secretary knew nothing about the purchase. now e-mails seem to contradict that entirely. cnn's rene marsh has details. >> reporter: at hud headquarters, the dining set ordered for secretary ben carson's dining room may have been canceled, but the controversy is far from over. the $31,000 dining set included a mahogany table, ten mahogany dining chairs, a sideboard, and breakfront. a hud spokesman blamed the purchase on a career staffer, but newly released e-mails indicate secretary ben carson and his wife selected the furniture themselves. an august e-mail from a hud staffer with the subject line "secretary's dining room
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furniture needed" refers to, quote, printouts of the furniture the secretary and ms. carson picked out. it's that line that casts doubt on carson and his agency spoke man's claim that he and ms. carson had little or no involvement in the purchase of the pricey furniture. american oversight, a liberal watchdog group, sued to get the documents. >> they lied. the internal e-mails show that he was intimately involved. his wife was intimately involved. >> reporter: a hud spokesman told cnn last month that carson had, quote, zero awareness of this purchase being made. later secretary carson painted a picture of limited involvement, saying, quote, i briefly looked at catalogs for dining furniture and was shocked by the cost. as for ms. carson, my wife also looked at catalogs and wanted to be sure that the color of the chair fabric of any set matched the rest of the decor. but in another e-mail, carson's scheduler writes, quote, hi,
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ms. carson, and invited her to visit hud and meet with a designer about possibly redecorating the secretary's office and bringing in new furniture. it's unclear if ms. carson accepted the invite. >> i don't think there's any doubt that mrs. carson, who is not a public employee and faces no accountability, has a very large amount of power at hud, and that's not how we should run our government. >> reporter: carson is already facing questions about his son's involvement at hud. ben carson jr., who is not a federal employee, helped organize a listening tour for his father in baltimore despite agency lawyers warning it could violate ethics rules because of carson junior's personal business dealings in the city. hud's inspector general is looking into the matter. the agency's furniture spending came to light after hud employee helen foster filed a sworn whistle-blower complaint with the office of special counsel. foster says she was demoted in
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part for telling her bosses she would not ignore a law that limits carson's office redecorating budget. >> $31,000, in my mind, for a dining table for an agency that's cutting billions away from poor people is, you know, poor judgment no matter who made it. >> rene marsh joins us now. are we learning anything new in regards to secretary carson's standing with the president in light of the new reporting? >> we reached out with the white house today and they are not commenting officially on this whole incident. but the president is frustrated with all of the negative headlines involving his cabinet secretaries, and when it specifically comes to carson, an administration official tells cnn white house producer kevin liptak that president trump is disturbed by the bad headlines surrounding ben carson. trump has made it known across the cabinet that he has no tolerance for these sort of ethics scandals and people inside the west wing believe that he is ready to clean house. but the caveat, anderson, the timing and the precise shake-up
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will happen when one man wants it to happen, and that one man is president trump. coming up, whether it's getting fired by tweet or resigning in scandal, it's the white house shake-up that never seems to end. we'll talk about who may be next. i'm just worried about the house and taking care of the boys. zach! talk to me. it's for the house. i got a job. it's okay. dad took care of us.
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