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decorating. if it was up to me my office would probably like a hospital waiting room. >> reporter: but even a 7,500 office table is cheap than this $31,000 dining set. >> thanks for joining us. anderson starts now. good evening. we begin tonight with breaking news on the president. like so much breaking news on this president it's like nothing you've seen before on any president. new reporting tonight on "the washington post" with president trump's phone call today with vladimir putin in the wake of his re-election as the president. the same vladimir putin who interfered in our election as it is before all important phone calls especially with another leader of a super power the president is brief. this time according to "the washington post" the president's briefing material contained a three word warning on the election. do not congratulate on vladimir putin winning the election, and
then president went ahead and did just that. so josh, tell us more about the briefing materials, what was on them and what the president ignored? >> exactly, anderson. so before a call with any foreign leader the president is extensively briefed both his national security team in person and in written papers that are given to the president. what we reported tonight are there were two parts of this written briefing that the president ignored in his call to vladimir putin. one was a part that said in caps do not congratulate on vladimir putin winning the election. obviously many people believe that the election is a sham, fixed. but the second part was to condemn vladimir putin for an attack in london of an ex-spy who was killed with a nerve agent. the president did not condemn vladimir putin as that part of call that he did. instead he talked about syria
and north korea, which were also topics that were supposed to be discussed on the call that were provided in the briefing. he did mention those two parts with vladimir putin, but ignored the other two that the national security team put in the briefings ahead of the call. >> obviously it's up to any president to discuss what they want to discuss. how unusual is it for a president or i don't know if you know this, for a president to ignore, you know, two things of advice. particularly one that's in all caps saying do not congratulate this man on a sham election? >> well, we're in un-parallel territory here with president trump. whether you like him or dislike him, the president keeps his own counsel. he does what he wants to do, says what he wants to say. he has congratulate china's president for extending his term as president for life and turkey president, erduwan for his election win.
this president when he makes thee phone calls, he is going to say what he wants to say. and to the president's credit we reported, anderson, when h.r. mcmaster, his national security advisor briefed him orally ahead of the call, he did not mention not congratulating vladimir putin, nor did he mention the attack overseas we're told. so it's possible that the president could have been given these briefing materials and didn't read it and decided to go his own way, or it's possible he did read it and decide to do it his own way. >> so you don't have for a fact whether or not the president looked at the briefing teals? >> we know the president was given the briefing materials ahead of the call. ahead of every call he's given expensively what we want to convey and talk in big caps, do not congratulate vladimir putin
in the briefing given to the president. >> relying more on snngs thhis instincts than those around him. >> the president has done mostly what he wanted. on certain occasions his advisers, but in many cases the pulling out of the paris accord, moving the capital to jerusalem, and the this is duly elected president, he won the election and he's going to do it his way no matter what the people around him say. >> appreciate it, josh. thanks very much. we're going to have more on that story with david axelrod and dave u david gergen a little bit later.
she joins us exclusively thursday night. the adult film star stormy daniels whose attorney today released the results of a polygraph exam she took, her attorney joins us to talk about this as well. and there's also summer who was on the apprentice and accusing the president of sexual assault. today a judge allowed her defamation lawsuit to go forward. we'll talk with the attorney and along with david schwartz. they're both here with me. but first randy cay has te has demts that broke today. >> and he came to me and started kissing me with open mouth. >> reporter: that's summer, claiming donald trump groped and sexually assaulted her.
she filed a sexual suit against him a year ago. there she alleges in court papers he said let's lay down and watch the telly, telly. >> i pushed his chest and put space between us and i said come on, man, get real. he repeated my words back to me, get real as he began thrusting his genitals. >> reporter: trump denies the affair posting about it, i never met her in a a hotel or greeted her inappropriately decade ago. trump lawyer pfls meanwhile have tried to stop the case from going to trial calling it factually meritless. but just today a new york state judge ruled the case can go forward. her complaint says she has details from phone calls and meetings from trump. despite that trump's lawyer, michael cohen, who has admitted to paying hush money to porn star stormy daniels about her alleged affair with trump has
called her case baseless. adding to trump's troubles, this former playboy model. back in 2016 karen mcdougal signed a deal. she accepted a $150,000 agreement to remain silent about her alleged affair with donald trump in 2006 and 2007. like porn star stormy daniels, mcdougal says she was paid to keep silent during the presidential race. but today mcdougal filed a lawsuit against american media for the right to go public. this after learning american media's ceo david pecker is a close friend of donald trump's. and according to court documents regularly takes part in so-called catch and kill arrangements. killing the story before it can damage trump publicly. the president denies the affair, but mcdougal says she met trump at a party at the playboy
mansion. new yorker magazine reported the two met later, talked for a couple of hours and then got naked and had sex. mcdougal a former play meat of the year claims she's been threatened with financial ruin if she doesn't remain, quote, loyal. but a spokesperson for american media says they didn't silence her but instead bought the right tuesday her life story. mcdougal alleges in court her own lawyer was working in cahoots with that same trump lawyer, michael cohen. she claims in court papers that her lawyer told cohen by phone that the deal was done, and ms. mcdougal had been silenced. randy kaye, cnn, new york. >> michael cohen, of course, has a standing invitation to come on the broadcast. so far he has yet to accept. joining us now david schwartz
and michael avenatti. according to report he released from that polygraph test stormy daniels was, and i'm quoting here, truthful about having unprotected vaginal intercourse with trump in 2006. a reminder that polygraphs are not generally admizabssible in courts. does it help your legal case, actually? >> i don't know it helps our legal case, but we want the public to have as many facts as possible at their disposal. our position, anderson, has been consistent for weeks now. we want to public to know the facts, to know my client's story to the extent that mr. cohen or the president have an alternative narrative tat hay wish to provide, they should provide it. you know, i'll note that while lie detector tests are not admissible in most courts of
law, i believe the attorney general has recently argued for the use as it relates to leaks in the white house. i know they're used throughout law enforcement, federal law enforcement for various purposes at various times. my client took this polygraph test in may of 2011, may 19, 2011. she was asked specific questions and she passed with flying colors whereas the polygraph report that we produced shows. so we're going to let the american public take this piece of evidence together with your interview with her this sunday on 60 minutes. they're going to determine whether she's telling it truth, whether she's credible. and i'm confident that after they review this evidence they are going to conclude that what they've been told by mr. cohen and the denials if you can call them denials from the white house are simply baseless and false. >> so david, michael cohen has claimed that he paid this
$130,000 in hush money out of his own pocket from a home equity line of credit, had nothing to with the trump organization, with donald trump personally or the white house. i mean, does any attorney ever pay $130,000 out of their own pocket? >> first of all, we keep labeling it as hush money. these nondisclosure agreements are entered into every single day in america. they're entered into by politicians. >> but it's money to remain silent. >> it's money to not disclose the substance of the case. and so $130,000 was paid. it was pursuant to a contract. but to answer your question, is that normal course of business for an attorney to pay it? no, but there's nothing illegal about it. and given the context of this relationship there's certainly unethical about it. and remember, michael cohen, was representing ec llc. it was ec llc that entered into
this contract. donald trump was a third party beneficiary? >> was that make sense to you? >> it doesn't. donald trump was not a third party beneficiary under the law of california he was a sigatory to the agreement. he negotiate aided all of this on his own, and at no point in time did his close friend and client trump know anything about it. he didn't know about the negotiation, the agreement and he didn't know about the payment. i have a very simple question, anderson. if all of that is believable, then why did mr. cohen draft an agreement with a signature line for donald trump? if donald trump was never going to be a party to the agreement and if he didn't want to bother donald trump with the agreement, and if donald trump was too busy campaigning for president to know anything about the agreement and mr. cohen was going to do this on his own and wasn't going to bother mr. trump, then why take the effort to draft the agreement to make donald trump a signatory to the
agreement? >> that's painting a fictional picture to the whole scenario. there's an or there. they left it open for either/or. the bottom line is ec llc entered into the contract. >> but he's saying if donald trump had nothing to do with this -- >> he had everything to do with it. he's a third party beneficiary. he doesn't have to be a party to the contract to benefit from the contact, but he certainly can enforce the contract like a third party beneficiary can, and this is contract. and you are advising your client to blatantly violate a contract. $1 million per violation, and it's not just the disclosure -- >> where do you get the $20 million figure? are you talking urt her appearances on the make
america -- >> there are 20 different violations and you can see it because in the contract as it was artfully crafted, it's even the threat of a violation, the threat of a disclosure is under violation of a contract. so she's going to be liable for $20 million, and michael cohen going to collect every single pen penny of that money. make no mistake. he's going to collect everything. >> anderson, why isn't your name on the contract? why isn't my name on the contract? why isn't his name on the contract? if mr. cohen is to be believed all of our names should been the contract. the fact of the matter is the story duds not hold up, and section 8.6 of the agreement specifically required all parties to sign the agreement. i didn't interrupt you. i didn't interrupt you during
your bombastic comments. please let me finish. 8.6 the agreement says all parties sign the agreement. all parties did not sign the agreement. here's another reason why this argument is full of holes. there are specific provisions on the agreement, consideration that only donald trump could provide. it's not just about the $130,000. >> what do you mean specific consideration? >> if you look at the agreement in exchange for what my client was to provide she was to receive $130,000 plus other things. what do i mean by that? donald trump was to release her of potential claims that he might have against her. donald trump was to agree to stay away from her and her family. donald trump was to do all sorts of things laid out in that agreement. now, mr. cohen if he was only representing ec llc as the claim has been made, how could he release or how could he provide that consideration, those terms that --
>> this is an absurd view of contract -- the consideration here is the nondisclosure of whatever she's about to disclose in exchange for $130,000. >> but he's saying there's more than $130,000. >> there's consideration, two parties to the contract, both parties sign the contract -- >> but how could michael cohen promise that trump is not going to go near her family or donald trump is going to release her from other things if donald trump is not a signator? >> i didn't see that in the contract. but the bottom line is there's consideration, there's a contract, and there is a massive breach of this contract. and, you know, when this case is all said and done, you know, she's going to be liable for $20 million, millions of dollars. >> i know it's a million dollars per breach. you guys have been saying 20.
i was trying to figure out where does that 20 figure come from. >> well, i've been going by what they've been saying. it's easily 20 violations when it's the threat of the disclosure of material. and she will have to pay this back one day. >> why not just let her talk? why is it so important to your friend and to the president of the united states to keep this woman under wraps, to keep her under the thumb, to shut her up? why is it so important? let me finish. why is that so important? >> well, let me answer your question. it's important to every single person that enters into a nondisclosure agreement -- people do this in order to avoid litigation and avoid the embarrassment to family, to business, to reputation. that's why people enter them. you know why people these
contracts. they're entered to all the time. tv personalities have entered into these contracts. by the way, state legislators enter into these contracts. and you know who pays the money? taxpayer. >> we're going to take a break. also ahead tonight more on the president's phone call with vladimir putin. how the white house tried to defend it. we're keeping them honest with that aspect ahead. ♪ ♪ next chapter ♪
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star. michael cohen's attorney and friend david schwartz. michael, you mentioned this section 8.6 that says the agreement has to be signed by all parties to be enforceable. david points to this clause right before the line on the mda in which the pseudonym for donald trump is used. and it says and/or meaning i guess from your interpretation meaning not only does stormy daniels have to sign it but and/or donald trump and that line is not signed. and/or would seem to indicate either he can't sign it or not. >> and/or is a term of art under california law, and it's actually in the conjunkative. it's in the plural. if the intent was to allow for the or, then mr. cohen should have reversed it. the ec should have been second not first.
that's actually the proper interpretation in the english language. but i want to go back to this argument. because in a nutshell here's the argument. their argument is a deal is a deal. that's the argument. a deal is only a deal if there was initially a deal. and our position is there was initially no deal. let me give you an analogy. this is like one of your viewers goes out and they buy a four bedroom home, and they pay a significant amount of money for that home. they show up to move in and the people that sold them the home say you're only getting one of the four bedrooms but we have a deal because you're only getting one of the four bedrooms. that's this argument. because my client got $130,000 they say a deal is a teal. she didn't get all the consideration, anderson. she didn't get bedroom, two, three, or four in the deal. there was no deal. >> tell that to the judge. >> well, i'm looking forward to -- i'm looking forward to
telling it to judge oterra, the federal district judge in los angeles. i have a bit of experience and i also know of a 2010-2011 case where he signed it and -- >> if it's going to take that long to explain it to the judge he's in big trouble. you're going it go down in flames in this case. there's no question about it. there's a contract here. the parties sign the contract. stormy or whatever her name is signed it on your side and ec llc signed it on this side. you cannot assert a right when you obtain a benefit. you waive that right. you waive all your rights. she obtained the benefit under the contract. she received the bargain that she bargained for. >> did michael cohen violate the
nondisclosure agreement by publicly discussing and confirming in fact he had paid $130,000? >> absolutely not. she had already violated the -- >> it had been leaked to "the wall street journal." >> she had violated the contract already. >> how has she violated the contract? >> because she leaked it. i mean she's the one that was out there leaking the information. >> but how do you know she was leaking the information? >> well, i guess it's going to come out in court? >> why would she accept $130,000 in a nondisclosure agreement and then leak the information 15 months later? >> because she's out for money now. she sees a lot more money. however, and you're -- >> but you have no evidence she actually leaked the information. >> i'm assuming she did. so, so -- >> well, you know what they say about people who assume.
>> clearly she was out there breaking this nondisclosure agreement. you're advising your client to break a contract. so he puts in his papers how unethical michael cohen is, which i've never even seen in a complaint before. i don't know why you go through this whole ordeal. >> because i meant it. >> but guess what? you're the one that's committing malpractice. you're the one that's telling your client to break a contract. so i hope you have a good malpractice policy, because when she owes $20 million she should go after you to collect the money. >> you know, anderson, the last time an attorney pointed at me like this and made threats like this i tagged him for $450,000. and let me and this. >> please do. >> you're a very passionate guy on behalf of your friend michael cohen. so let me and you this, if michael cohen is such a stand up
guy, where is he? where is this guy? why won't he come and say -- >> let me finish. >> i want to answer that question. >> he's been invited numerous times. he won't come on this show. she's dodging the questions. >> he's not dodging the questions. there are other investigations going on. >> where is this guy? where is he? >> believe me, he can't wait to come here and sit with you and talk about this. >> can't wait, so he can give an interview -- >> bottom line is this an airtight contract. >> michael cohen in an interview in "vanity fair" now said he would have done this at any time, that this had nothing to do with the election. because this thing was signed maybe ten days, maybe two weeks before the election. the "access hollywood" tape had come out. michael said it had nothing it
do with the timing. if michael cohen had years to make an agreement with stormy daniels, i mean 2011 there was an in touch magazine article that got killed. he had 2012, '13, '14, '15. >> the deal was made. it had everything to do with reputation, with family. >> nothing to do with the election. >> all those items, why a person would enter into a nondisclosure agreement. >> this is just coincidence it was two weeks before the election. >> well, coincidence isn't standard of law. there has to be proof. and clearly it was being done to save the person's reputation so they don't have to go through
litigation and protect their family. >> michael, did this have anything to do with the election? >> absolutely. it had everything to do with the election. you have to look at the timing. it is obvious. it is clear as day. and we keep hearing about how airtight this agreement is. it's one of the sloppiest mdas. it's gotlo language about paternity issues. if this is so craftily drafted by mr. cohen, we've stated there are no paternity issues. if this is so craftily drafted by his client why include paternity issues? i hope the next time i get on a commercial plane it's a little more airtight than this because otherwise this is going to fall out of the sky. >> the viewers aren't seeing the agreement. this is an airtight agreement. it's an excellent agreement. let's take another quick break. we'll have more of this conversation in just a moment.
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back now with stormy daniel's attorney. so, david as we talked about one of the things michael cohen has said repeatedly, i did this personally. it had nothing to do with the trump ocean, had nothing to do with the campaign. michael has produced a number of documents, bank notice sent to michael cohen at his trump organization e-mail address, which he then cut and post onto his private e-mail address to then send an e-mail to then attorney for stormy daniel, other documentation and the hiring of a trump organization attorney to take part and help setup this arbitration in los
angeles. >> well, the trump attorney, that's after the fact. >> right. that's what's even weirder to me, two weeks after the fact of michael cohen making a statement saying it has nothing to do with the trump organization, he hires a trump organization attorney. >> maybe they should have picked a better attorney. that's irrelevant. i was looking at the michael cohen e-mails way back when he was at the trump organization. >> save those. >> he actually made dinner plans with his wife, my wife and me on that same trump e-mail. he used that for everything. he used it for everything, and let mueller speak for himself. >> michael, to you what is the significance of him using his trump e-mail? in one of the documents you showed in this broadcast it seemed like he cut and posted the note from the bank to from the trump organization to his
private e-mail address? >> which in fact there'd be no need to do that if in fact it was common to use his trump organization e-mail. there's a common pattern here. when it's convenient for the president and mr. cohen to point to different entities and claim that they are separate, ie, ec llc and the trump organization, they do so. however, when it's convenient for them to claim otherwise they claim just the opposite, that they're one in the same. and i'll give you an example. the temporary restraining order that mr. cohen went out and received, got from the arbitrator -- i disagree but that's neither here or there. it's in the name ec llc, we can agree on that right? >> yeah. >> ec llc prior to the agreement wasn't even permitted to go out and get a temporary restraining order. you know, the party that was permitted to get a temporary
restraining order, donald trump. the arbitrator didn't disagree because it was a unilateral act. the arbitrator had no contrary. it's like playing a football game and the other team doesn't even show up and then it's a victory. >> did the agreement -- this agreement is horrible, the arbitrator is horrible. when the judge ruled against them he's going to be horrible. when it doesn't go into your narrative everybody's horrible. >> was stormy daniels contacted about this arbitration? >> why do you even go through the trouble of bringing this action? >> by the way, are you licensed in california? >> absolutely not. >> wait a minute, you're not licensed in california? >> why do you go through the trouble of filing this -- >> hold on. let me make sure i understood this correctly. this contract is going to be governed by california law. >> i'm allowed to talk about -- >> you're not licensed in
california and here pointing your finger and engaging in all this bombastic language and you're not even licensed? >> the only thing that's bombastic is this complaint. >> i'm shocked. >> no, i'm licensed in washington and new york. >> well, this contract is not being governed by washington or new york. >> i read everything. >> but in an arbitration, again, i'm not an attorney here but -- does stormy daniels need to be contacted? does she have a right to have representation at an arbitration? >> absolutely. she's in court right now. so let's see what happens in court. if the contract was invalid, why did he file this in the first place? why not just go out and speak? why did you file this? >> wait a minute, you just claimed we lost the arbitration. we weren't even invited.
>> why'd you file this? >> because we want a judicial determination that this agreement is trash, which it is. >> we're going to end it there. appreciate both of you remting your clients. up next, more breaking news. a new explosion in austin, texas. we're talking just moments ago. this comes just hours after two explosive devices were found. the latest from the scene in a moment. for all the noses that stuff up around pets. there's flonase sensimist. it relieves all your worst symptoms including nasal congestion, which most pills don't. and all from a gentle mist you can barely feel. flonase sensimist.
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we have more breaking news. police responding to reports, and these are only reports of a new explosion in texas. in many cases the early reports sometimes turn out to be inaccurate in whole or in part. so that a warning on this. but we're getting the word, this comes oosk aftf course after an explosion at a fedex facility in san san antonio where an employee was injured. and another package found at a second fedex. and now with this now one we could have seven devices possibly connected to this serial bomber. ed, talk about what we know with the caveat these are very early reports. >> reporter: right. this is just now developing in the last few minutes. austin police say they are
responding to a report of a sixth explosion in the southern area of austin tonight. fbi officials also confirm that they are en route to that scene as well. it's on a street called brody lane. significant because much of the day investigators have spent at a fedex drop off facility just a few miles up the road on brody lane where they expect several packages were dropped off at a distribution center, one of the ones you see behind me here. very close to where investigators have spent much of the day. and also on top of that very close geographically here in the city where an explosion occurred monday night that the injured two college age, in their 20s. >> you were at the fedex drop off point where the unexploded
package was found today. i wonder what officials are saying about this item. i talked to the chief of police last night on the broadcast who said his understanding, and the atf is obviously look into the bomb components and so is the fbi. but some of the components in the bomb device, actually at that point -- we're just getting pictures of the site of what may be this new explosion. these are just pictures we're getting from our affiliate there in austin kxan, and you can see first responders on the scene. they already have the area cordoned off. you're saying this is not too far from the fedex facility? >> well, let me paint the picture here for you. there were two packages with the explosive devices found here in austin and one near a town called sherts, which is suburb
of northern san antonio. that package in sherts exploded. the one at the scene behind me did not detonate. what we're told by investigators is they also spent a great deal of time today at a drop off location. the two facilities where the packages were found were distribution facilities. there was a drop off location on brody lane, where we know investigators spent a great deal of the day because they where they believe the packages that were found here at this location here in southeast austin at the airport and the one here in sherts were they were mailed from, just a few miles away on the same road where the explosion took place tonight. and we're also told by ems officials there's a male of about 30 years old who has been injured in the explosion tonight. not expecting to be life threatening is what we're getting at this point, but obviously all of this could change injury quickly.
>> and briefly, the first three were bombs that detonated on porches, that people picked up. they were packages left on porches. the one on sunday was a tripwire. and obviously these fedex ones are another sort of -- another sort of device or at least another way of sending these devices. >> reporter: right. what's interesting is that that in those first three explosions we were told that those boxes, just the sheer monument of opening them is what caused the mechanism to explode. obviously if these a being dropped off and then transported to distribution facilities, the question is and this is where investigators have not shed a lot of information for investigative reasons we're told, is what exactly is triggering these other packages that are being moved around to some extent, to trigger. it's not exactly clear where tonight's explosion and the package that was involved there,
what exactly that location is, who found it and that sort of thing. those are the details that haven't emerged yet because this is essentially happening here as we're talking. it's happening in the last 10 to 15 minutes. >> joining me now is also cnn law enforcement analyst formerly with the fbi. tom, this is obviously a terrifying situation for people in austin, incredibly difficult situation for law enforcement. the idea that -- that they have been spending time at a drop off facility, that at least -- if they actually have packages that they were able to get back, that gives them potential clues as does potentially going to that drop off facility where somebody may have been identified. >> that's true, anderson. and the more devices, unfortunately, it's been bad there are so many devices, but it also gives them that many clues to try to put this together. now the authorities probably know now for sure whether or not
the materials are the same, the explosive chemical content of the bombs are the same in each one of these cases. even though the detonation has been different with a couple of different devices such as the pressure switches versus tripwire. >> last night the chief of police in austin was saying to me some of the components of these devices are the same. >> right. ando the fact that this much speed of the device dwooevices the locality of being in that part of texas as opposed to a month goes by and you have a similar type of device mailed through a distribution center or drop off center. but one advantage the authorities should have is there should be a lot of security camera coverage of these facilities that might give them some leads as to who is bringing these devices to the facilities, who is dropping them off or what the description of the person dropping them off. and i think that, you know, as this goes further, hopefully,
there'll be more leads. or there'll be tips that come in. and they've received already thousands of calls, but tips that might be valid of someone thinking it might be someone they know, a neighbor, a relative, a friend who may have told someone at sometime they intended to do this or have the capability to do this type of bombing. >> it's interesting, tom, and to our viewers you're looking alt scenes -- these are live pictures from the scene from our affiliate kxan believed to be an earlier explosion. these are early reports, and not confirmed it was in fact a bombing. we caution you with these early reports. the police, though, tom, have actually made a public appeal for whoever is behind this to actually contact them and begin some sort of a dialogue. >> well, i think, you know, that's a good possibility because the person doing this is probably extremely narcissistic,
is enjoying the attention even if their identity hasn't been revealed yet and may enjoy wanting to play a cat and mouse game like that with law enforcement authorities. and you've seen that with other type of serial killers in history where they've sent letters to the police and taupttaup taunted the police. you have the unabomber sending his manifesto, which ultimately was his undoing by being caught. and they may want to contact the police and make some type of bragging statement, look, you can't catch me, that's how great i am. >> our coverage continues with this new report, an explosion in austin. feel the clarity of non-drowsy claritin 24 hour relief when allergies occur. day after day, after day. because life should have more wishes and less worries. feel the clarity and live claritin clear.
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police are on the scene. these pictures from kxan, our affiliate there. fbi also said to be on the scene as well as local law enforcement. if, in fact, this is yet another in a string of devices, explosive devices, this would be the seventh. there were three earlier left on porches in people's homes. one, a trip wire that injured two people on sunday. and then today in two separate fedex facilities, one in san antonio and one in austin, two devices, one in the san antonio fedex facility actually did explode. the one in -- a second device did not explode. we're joined again by tom fuentes, also james galliano. james, the idea that they have found a device that did not explode in this second fedex facility today, that provides them with even more potential evidence in terms of possible fingerprints or parts or any
kind of signature that might correspondent to the signature of the other bombs. >> two things are important in doing the bombing investigations. the first part to your point, anderson, is the signature of the bomber. now, bombs are made up of components, usually a power supply like a battery. there may have been a blasting cap. there's usually some type of explosive, maybe shrapnel like nails, nuts and bolts, and then a switch. people have been erroneously stating all day that this is unibomber 2.0. this is far worse. the urineeun i bomber, was the lodgest case. 16 devices in 17 years. we now, if this link analysis can be confirmed, we now have seven devices in two weeks. this is a far greater investigation, far more important. i think the police caught a
lucky break in finding some of these devices before they exploded to conduct that link analysis. but this is a far more severe case. why? this bomber is showing you his entire portfolio. three of these devices were left on the east side of austin. they were left on porches and dropped off. one was on the west side of austin and comprised of a trip wire which acted as a switch. he is showing you three different types of delivery systems, three different types of victim activated bombs. i could see it on law enforcement faces today. they are worried and concerned and trying to get out in front of this. >> back in the 1970s, there were significant numbers of bombings in the united states. radical groups and the like. it's not something we have really seen much over the last several years. correct me if i'm wrong. >> no, that's true. but many of those bombings, many of them directed at law enforcement. i think maybe people considered
law enforcement a worthy target from people's beliefs. but in this case when you put these on, you know, random porches or trip wires that anybody could literally detonate the bomb just going through, it's more of a to whom it may concern or to anybody. and then now with the going to distribution centers, a fedex or, you know, sending them by the mails, you know, it's going to be a much more difficult situation. in the unibomber, one of the unique aspects, they kept thinking bombs were being mailed from facilities near san francisco. it turned out the unibomber would get on a bus and go hundreds of miles, send it from that facility, then go back to montana to his shack. but in this case we had hand delivered items on these porches. >> yeah. >> so it would indicate that the bomber is probably physically in the area of austin, texas. >> tom fuentes, thank you very much. we're going to take a short break. we're going to get a lot more
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breaking news coverage out of austin, texas, where a short time ago police responded to reports of another explosion. if confirmed, it would be the sixth such explosion in recent days, the seventh bomb. seven devices in all. possibly the work of a serial bomber. we should point out that austin travis county ems has said that at least one person was injured in this reported explosion in south austin. cnn's nick watt and ed lavandera are in austin. i want to start with nick watt. nick, what do we know about this latest location? these are early
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